Telegraph reporting Letwin on 310 votes at the moment. Time for Rudd, Guake and Clark to resign to get it over the line.
LMAO - they will still be sitting in the Cabinet, the day after we leave with No Deal, briefing the papers about how jolly cross they are with the policy that they're enabling.
So many meetings, so little concluded after them. What do they spend their time doing at all these meetings? Same goes with the DUP and the endless 'constructive' talks they have on things.
Sounds like they are perfectly suited for a stint in academia where one often finds there are meetings about the meeting, which itself is about how to proceed...
So many meetings, so little concluded after them. What do they spend their time doing at all these meetings? Same goes with the DUP and the endless 'constructive' talks they have on things.
Sounds like they are perfectly suited for a stint in academia where one often finds there are meetings about the meeting, which itself is about how to proceed...
It's most of what I do with my days too, but it is disheartening to see MPs do it so brazenly too.
There has to be something seriously wrong with a pollsters methodology if they come up with a UKIP score of 9%. I guess it can be used as a measure of how many people would vote for an exclusively pro Brexit party
Opinium were one of the more accurate pollsters in the last 2 general elections.
It seems diehard Leavers are back to a UKIP protest vote and a plague on all their houses.
UKIP now polling closer to 2015 than 2017 levels
Yes but they have no hope of fielding enough candididates to get 3% if there were a GE this year
Are you still a UKIP member/supporter?
No not a UKIP member anymore, I don't really support any party.
There has to be something seriously wrong with a pollsters methodology if they come up with a UKIP score of 9%. I guess it can be used as a measure of how many people would vote for an exclusively pro Brexit party
Opinium were one of the more accurate pollsters in the last 2 general elections.
It seems diehard Leavers are back to a UKIP protest vote and a plague on all their houses.
UKIP now polling closer to 2015 than 2017 levels
Yes but they have no hope of fielding enough candididates to get 3% if there were a GE this year
Mr Farage's new Brexit Party could though and will also likely have lots of dosh from Banks and his wealthy contacts
Who is in it apart from Farage?! I think he could do well if he stood somewhere but the SDP is the best vehicle to get wide ranging support I think
So, if - as I expect -MPs do fail, once again, to take any responsibility for shaping the Brexit deal tonight, what happens next? Surely it has to be May’s Deal.
So, if - as I expect -MPs do fail, once again, to take any responsibility for shaping the Brexit deal tonight, what happens next? Surely it has to be May’s Deal.
So, if - as I expect -MPs do fail, once again, to take any responsibility for shaping the Brexit deal tonight, what happens next? Surely it has to be May’s Deal.
You're expecting MPs to act rationally?
I’m hoping just over half of them do. At some stage they have to put the country first.
So, if - as I expect -MPs do fail, once again, to take any responsibility for shaping the Brexit deal tonight, what happens next? Surely it has to be May’s Deal.
Lidington committed to a "where now?" debate toward the end of this week. But had no more detail.
So, if - as I expect -MPs do fail, once again, to take any responsibility for shaping the Brexit deal tonight, what happens next? Surely it has to be May’s Deal.
It's a bizarre situation if they don't step up. What are they even there for, and what about all those whingers going on about how dreadfully May ignores them (which is true) if they still refuse to collectively do anything about it?
One thing I am confident about is they absoultely won't go for the deal. Whatever any rational arguments for it at this point may or may not be, it seems pretty clear that mentally that is one option that enough MPs have decided is just plain done. It's about the only thing they've decided, and they will stick to that for want of anything else/
Telegraph reporting Letwin on 310 votes at the moment. Time for Rudd, Guake and Clark to resign to get it over the line.
What? So we've gone through day after day hearing nothing other than how Parliament is going to "take control" and it's not even guaranteed?
May will have to pull out all the stops with an even worse nothing has changed statement, this time delivered while leaping out of a moving airplane for dramatic effect, until they pick up the hint and take control from her.
Really? There's a precious little sign of that, I fear. Third rate wazzocks who would be chucked of the Communist Party of the Uzbek SSR for being too self-seeking.
I've very reluctantly come to the conclusion it's not revoking the referendum result that will destroy our democratic system ('reluctantly' because that can be avoided). It's the atrocious quality of the members it produces that already has destroyed it.
I love the way 2nd referendumers have switched to this "confirmation" of whatever the house decides. The house needs to decide to allow the public another referendum, it isn't simply some process matter that can be tacked onto Corbyn's Customs Unicorn or whatever is agreed.
Yes it does need to decide. But it also first needs to decide what the confirmation vote is about. Is it May's Deal or Norway+ or what? It should be whatever has the most support in parliament. Then parliament needs to decide whether to put it to a public vote.
Heseltine is correct, anything"softer" than May's deal is the same as remaining without political representation apart from (possibly) agriculture and fishing. It is revoke or back deal, for God's sake make a decision!
Suffolk Tory MP moaning that Romanian and Polish immigrants have been replaced by Indians and Chinese. Edit/ or more strictly that his constituents are apparently so moaning.
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
At the risk of setting you know who off, I think that figure is an underestimate of participation. It might be a true reflection of how many people followed the official march - and even then they don't seem to have allowed for the fact that the march was continually getting new feeds at the back through the afternoon - but there were also considerable crowds joining at Green Park and a large gathering of people at St James Park big enough to have their own stage. (Not sure what it was - anyone know?). My estimate is the true figure is closer to 900,000.
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
At the risk of setting you know who off, I think that figure is an underestimate of participation. It might be a true reflection of how many people followed the official march - and even then they don't seem to have allowed for the fact that the march was continually getting new feeds at the back through the afternoon - but there were also considerable crowds joining at Green Park and a large gathering of people at St James Park big enough to have their own stage. (Not sure what it was - anyone know?). My estimate is the true figure is closer to 900,000.
I’ll have you know that St James Park has a capacity of 52,000 👌
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.
The official police numbers for the 2002 CA march was 400,000. Made not a blind bit of difference of course. I was on that one.
I think the CA number is pretty solid because they gathered all the attendees in Hyde Park in one place making them easy to count. I assume that was deliberate. These rustic types not being wise to the wiles of city folk who let everyone mill around everywhere and then just claim the biggest number they can say with a straight face.
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
At the risk of setting you know who off, I think that figure is an underestimate of participation. It might be a true reflection of how many people followed the official march - and even then they don't seem to have allowed for the fact that the march was continually getting new feeds at the back through the afternoon - but there were also considerable crowds joining at Green Park and a large gathering of people at St James Park big enough to have their own stage. (Not sure what it was - anyone know?). My estimate is the true figure is closer to 900,000.
I’ll have you know that St James Park has a capacity of 52,000 👌
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
At the risk of setting you know who off, I think that figure is an underestimate of participation. It might be a true reflection of how many people followed the official march - and even then they don't seem to have allowed for the fact that the march was continually getting new feeds at the back through the afternoon - but there were also considerable crowds joining at Green Park and a large gathering of people at St James Park big enough to have their own stage. (Not sure what it was - anyone know?). My estimate is the true figure is closer to 900,000.
I’ll have you know that St James Park has a capacity of 52,000 👌
Just googled it. It's area is 230000 sq metres. So you'd get nearly a million in it if you squeezed them and if there wasn't a body of water in the middle.
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.
The official police numbers for the 2002 CA march was 400,000. Made not a blind bit of difference of course. I was on that one.
I think the CA number is pretty solid because they gathered all the attendees in Hyde Park in one place making them easy to count. I assume that was deliberate. These rustic types not being wise to the wiles of city folk who let everyone mill around everywhere and then just claim the biggest number they can say with a straight face.
The irony of that post is just delicious - and I am assuming was deliberate.
Having Macedonians sing "Are you Scotland in disguise"? must have shamed them into some activity.....
Did you miss Scotland's 2-0 humbling of the mighty and Most Serene Republic of San Marino yesterday? What a performance, put me in mind of the '74 Holland team...
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.
The official police numbers for the 2002 CA march was 400,000. Made not a blind bit of difference of course. I was on that one.
I think the CA number is pretty solid because they gathered all the attendees in Hyde Park in one place making them easy to count. I assume that was deliberate. These rustic types not being wise to the wiles of city folk who let everyone mill around everywhere and then just claim the biggest number they can say with a straight face.
I think you are confusing the 1997 rally and the 2004 march.
Did you miss Scotland's 2-0 humbling of the mighty and Most Serene Republic of San Marino yesterday? What a performance, put me in mind of the '74 Holland team...
Having Macedonians sing "Are you Scotland in disguise"? must have shamed them into some activity.....
Did you miss Scotland's 2-0 humbling of the mighty and Most Serene Republic of San Marino yesterday? What a performance, put me in mind of the '74 Holland team...
More people live in the area covered by Epping Forest District Council than live in San Marino
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.
The official police numbers for the 2002 CA march was 400,000. Made not a blind bit of difference of course. I was on that one.
I think the CA number is pretty solid because they gathered all the attendees in Hyde Park in one place making them easy to count. I assume that was deliberate. These rustic types not being wise to the wiles of city folk who let everyone mill around everywhere and then just claim the biggest number they can say with a straight face.
I think you are confusing the 1997 rally and the 2004 march.
Having Macedonians sing "Are you Scotland in disguise"? must have shamed them into some activity.....
Did you miss Scotland's 2-0 humbling of the mighty and Most Serene Republic of San Marino yesterday? What a performance, put me in mind of the '74 Holland team...
More people live in the area covered by Epping Forest District Council than live in San Marino
Yes, I know - I've been to San Marino. Its quite nice.
Tbf they have at last won ruling out no deal (without parliament agreement) today.
Have they?
Yes May said the Commons having voted against No Deal and so far against her Deal the only alternative was to contest the European Parliament elections and a lengthy extension
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.
The official police numbers for the 2002 CA march was 400,000. Made not a blind bit of difference of course. I was on that one.
I think the CA number is pretty solid because they gathered all the attendees in Hyde Park in one place making them easy to count. I assume that was deliberate. These rustic types not being wise to the wiles of city folk who let everyone mill around everywhere and then just claim the biggest number they can say with a straight face.
I think you are confusing the 1997 rally and the 2004 march.
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.
The official police numbers for the 2002 CA march was 400,000. Made not a blind bit of difference of course. I was on that one.
I think the CA number is pretty solid because they gathered all the attendees in Hyde Park in one place making them easy to count. I assume that was deliberate. These rustic types not being wise to the wiles of city folk who let everyone mill around everywhere and then just claim the biggest number they can say with a straight face.
I think you are confusing the 1997 rally and the 2004 march.
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
At the risk of setting you know who off, I think that figure is an underestimate of participation. It might be a true reflection of how many people followed the official march - and even then they don't seem to have allowed for the fact that the march was continually getting new feeds at the back through the afternoon - but there were also considerable crowds joining at Green Park and a large gathering of people at St James Park big enough to have their own stage. (Not sure what it was - anyone know?). My estimate is the true figure is closer to 900,000.
I’ll have you know that St James Park has a capacity of 52,000 👌
Just googled it. It's area is 230000 sq metres. So you'd get nearly a million in it if you squeezed them and if there wasn't a body of water in the middle.
Tbf they have at last won ruling out no deal (without parliament agreement) today.
Have they?
The PM said quite specifically that recognising the view of the house, we wouldn't leave with no deal unless parliament so agreed.
It does in extremis raise the possibility of a last minute decision with only no deal or revoke as the available options (as some PB'ers I think have already suggested?) - but at least MPs will have the choice.
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So I could find out which washing powder they used to get their outfits so white.
1) The KKK
or
2) Batten's UKIP
https://twitter.com/gphb/status/1110270942582849538
Presumably second referendum, No Deal, Revoke will be swiftly knocked out. Leaving the ERG/DUP a choice between Labour Brexit or Tory Brexit.
What have I missed?
One thing I am confident about is they absoultely won't go for the deal. Whatever any rational arguments for it at this point may or may not be, it seems pretty clear that mentally that is one option that enough MPs have decided is just plain done. It's about the only thing they've decided, and they will stick to that for want of anything else/ 'I am opposed to all compromises on offer'. But totally not a fanatic, I'm sure. May will have to pull out all the stops with an even worse nothing has changed statement, this time delivered while leaping out of a moving airplane for dramatic effect, until they pick up the hint and take control from her.
I've very reluctantly come to the conclusion it's not revoking the referendum result that will destroy our democratic system ('reluctantly' because that can be avoided). It's the atrocious quality of the members it produces that already has destroyed it.
We need a total clearout, somehow.
Personally I'd go for the quasi-AV the Tory Party uses to elect its leader.
*loses all his money*
EQUALISER!
*greens out by chance*
*Horrendous tautology I know.
Published twenty two days ago.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/03/03/a-second-referendum-conducted-under-av-maybe-the-only-way-to-end-the-brexit-impasse/
Bottlers
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here.
I don't care if it hurts
I want to have control
There needs to be a counterweight to the no deal fantasists in the cabinet so they need to stay . Lower ranking ones fine but not Secretary’s .
As it is May put in some alleged Remainers who then ditched that stance to suck up to the Tory Membership.
So we need the saner ones in there .
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/11/11/new-adventures-in-electoral-systems-approval-voting/
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.
It does in extremis raise the possibility of a last minute decision with only no deal or revoke as the available options (as some PB'ers I think have already suggested?) - but at least MPs will have the choice.