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It would be ironic if the LibDems gained hundreds of Councillors just at the point that Cable goes.bigjohnowls said:
God knows.Martin_Kinsella said:
So who benefits then ?bigjohnowls said:I don't see Lab doing well on 2nd May either FWIW
The electorate are angry with both main parties if my Canvassing is anything to go by.0 -
Low turn out?bigjohnowls said:
God knows.Martin_Kinsella said:
So who benefits then ?bigjohnowls said:I don't see Lab doing well on 2nd May either FWIW
The electorate are angry with both main parties if my Canvassing is anything to go by.0 -
We're on the hook for about £12-14bn iirc as it relates to pension liabilities which the EU could win arbitration over. The rest wouldn't be payable, though I expect if we want to get a trade deal done we'd make some kind of solidarity payment.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes it will. The EU will have no way to compel us to pay that money if there's no agreement. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. They'll still morally think we owe them it, but legally it will take an agreement - a deal if you will - to get that money from us.DecrepitJohnL said:
No because crashing out with no deal will not magically remove our commitments on the £39 billion.Philip_Thompson said:
Precisely. If we go to No Deal the EU will very rapidly want to talk about a trade deal as they won't be getting a penny of their £39 billion (which we would still agree to pay as part of the negotiations but now have as leverege) plus the Irish border will be their problem rather than ours.GIN1138 said:
I didn't think we'd even got on to the trade deal yet?TheScreamingEagles said:
And a trade deal from the starting point of NO DEAL wouldn't need a withdrawal agreement (as there's nothing to withdraw from) ?0 -
"Yellow vest protesters storm Attorney General's office in London"
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/yellow-vest-protesters-storm-the-attorney-generals-office-in-london-a4095836.html0 -
All but three of the 20 MPs who spoke at last night’s 80-strong meeting of the European Research Group, demanded that she quit, Christopher Hope reports at the Telegraph.0
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Mcdonnell, it appears the leader of the Labour party, says he wants 3 months and to renegotiate a new deal......0
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It's going to be No Deal on 30th June. We've got three months (and a week) to prepare for it.Philip_Thompson said:0 -
Precisely.MaxPB said:
We're on the hook for about £12-14bn iirc as it relates to pension liabilities which the EU could win arbitration over. The rest wouldn't be payable, though I expect if we want to get a trade deal done we'd make some kind of solidarity payment.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes it will. The EU will have no way to compel us to pay that money if there's no agreement. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. They'll still morally think we owe them it, but legally it will take an agreement - a deal if you will - to get that money from us.DecrepitJohnL said:
No because crashing out with no deal will not magically remove our commitments on the £39 billion.Philip_Thompson said:
Precisely. If we go to No Deal the EU will very rapidly want to talk about a trade deal as they won't be getting a penny of their £39 billion (which we would still agree to pay as part of the negotiations but now have as leverege) plus the Irish border will be their problem rather than ours.GIN1138 said:
I didn't think we'd even got on to the trade deal yet?TheScreamingEagles said:
And a trade deal from the starting point of NO DEAL wouldn't need a withdrawal agreement (as there's nothing to withdraw from) ?0 -
PMQs later. I shall be out sadly.
What's betting Jezza leads on rural bus services?0 -
Germans focussing less on Brexit than Bayer getting zapped with fines over Glyphosat
Could be a huge number as exposed to US via Monsanto
https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article190559905/Glyphosat-Debakel-fuer-Bayer-Aktie-Kursziel-um-30-Prozent-reduziert.html0 -
That was yesterday, no? They are a weird conspiracy group who think some hit and run by a Hindu was actually a covered up Isis terrorist attack.AndyJS said:"Yellow vest protesters storm Attorney General's office in London"
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/yellow-vest-protesters-storm-the-attorney-generals-office-in-london-a4095836.html0 -
Didn't they demand that last December? Would mean more if non-ERGers call for her to quit.FrancisUrquhart said:All but three of the 20 MPs who spoke at last night’s 80-strong meeting of the European Research Group, demanded that she quit, Christopher Hope reports at the Telegraph.
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Well one ranting Brexiteer told me he was voting LD this time because they will deliver BREXIT. When i pointed out they were most pro Remain of all 3 parties he said he will vote UKIP then.TudorRose said:
It would be ironic if the LibDems gained hundreds of Councillors just at the point that Cable goes.bigjohnowls said:
God knows.Martin_Kinsella said:
So who benefits then ?bigjohnowls said:I don't see Lab doing well on 2nd May either FWIW
The electorate are angry with both main parties if my Canvassing is anything to go by.
Ther is unlikely to be a UKIP candidate so I think he will not vote but who knows.
The anger on the doorstep is at levels I have never encountered TBH0 -
It's like ground hog day every day...from both Tories and labour.Philip_Thompson said:
Didn't they demand that last December? Would mean more if non-ERGers call for her to quit.FrancisUrquhart said:All but three of the 20 MPs who spoke at last night’s 80-strong meeting of the European Research Group, demanded that she quit, Christopher Hope reports at the Telegraph.
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Where's the picard facepalm when you need it....FrancisUrquhart said:Mcdonnell, it appears the leader of the Labour party, says he wants 3 months and to renegotiate a new deal......
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It's interesting that this group has migrated across the channel IMO.FrancisUrquhart said:
That was yesterday, no? They are a weird conspiracy group who think some hit and run by a Hindu was actually a covered up Isis terrorist attack.AndyJS said:"Yellow vest protesters storm Attorney General's office in London"
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/yellow-vest-protesters-storm-the-attorney-generals-office-in-london-a4095836.html0 -
Christ, it takes a long time for pennies to drop for some people:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/11083299944204492800 -
Thanks to the wonders of time zones, it's always happy hour somewhereRochdalePioneers said:Is the pub open yet? 17 pints and a bag of nuts will provide suitable distraction against Brexit
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They haven't really though. Here it is a very small collection of very weird individuals.AndyJS said:
It's interesting that this group has migrated across the channel IMO.FrancisUrquhart said:
That was yesterday, no? They are a weird conspiracy group who think some hit and run by a Hindu was actually a covered up Isis terrorist attack.AndyJS said:"Yellow vest protesters storm Attorney General's office in London"
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/yellow-vest-protesters-storm-the-attorney-generals-office-in-london-a4095836.html0 -
Excellent. The first response, too.
https://twitter.com/AMB_1101/status/11083092993512243200 -
What scale of Tory losses can they take before they can't shrug it off? They lose 20%, 30%, more?dyedwoolie said:
Sure but if we are 'in delay' will there not be a mass vote against as s 'fail and this is what you get' thing?Sean_F said:
The Conservatives are bound to lose seats, as they were 6% ahead, in 2015, when they were last contested. However, losses will be limited by the fact that most seats being contested will be in Leave-voting districts.dyedwoolie said:
Of course an approaching election will crystallize annoyance into a desire to kick someone, and the government will always take precedence fir that kicking when everyone is an idiot.stodge said:
There is a residual sense of sympathy or pity for the Prime Minister but as has been noted downthread, the public mood seems to be shifting away from "it's everyone's fault" to the specific "it's the Conservative Government's fault" and we are 6 weeks away from a huge round of local elections where the Conservatives are defending 5,000 seats.MarqueeMark said:And this is the only reason that Theresa there-isn't-a-word-in-English-to-express-her-abjectness May is still polling ahead of each of Labour, Corbyn and the Conservatives. She is seen to be wading through their tide of shit. A tide into which they continue to defacate....
May 2 will be a bloodbath whatever happens0 -
It was precisely the thinking in Iraq and Afghan which resulted in matters proceeding not necessarily to our advantage.Anorak said:Article on the state and future of UK Defence. Mr WIlliamson does not emerge unscathed, but perhaps better than you might expect.
https://members.tortoisemedia.com/2019/03/20/gavin-williamson-and-defence/content.html?sig=UEhlwOM0W9jaTpl3DLdHebugBdZemTcKbr96uCCKmXw
I liked this:
In the early 1990s the government used to boast that the country was “punching above its weight”. This can sound quite clever until you get into a real fight, and someone punches you back.0 -
Yep!Philip_Thompson said:
Like our Parliamentarians the EU is a Poker player going All In.Casino_Royale said:
No, it's reinforced the EU's existing prejudices rather than challenged them.williamglenn said:
Wouldn't it be more true to say that the EU has learnt different lessons from the ones you wanted it to?Casino_Royale said:The EU has learnt nothing from the process either.
It believes it has, and is, making an example of the UK, teaching it a lesson, and discouraging others to its benefit as a whole.
I see zero evidence it's done any reflection on why the UK voted to Leave, and how the EU might need to respond to avoid such calamity in future, other than the reflexive dogmatic response of More Europe.
Worst case scenario for EU zealots is the UK exits without a deal and it proves not only not to be a disaster but to be a success instead. That would really put a rocket booster under sceptics across the continent. If we exit without a deal the EU kind of needs us to fail.
In theory they want to treat us like North Korea if there's no deal, but in practice the nuts and bolts of agreements to keep trade flowing are either done already or close to being so. The worst nightmare for the EU is that, a year down the line, no-deal Brexit is seen as a success.0 -
The same could be said for voting for a political party - but we don’t just abando the concept of democracy! Just because the ill educated poorer people of the country want something and are prepared to vote for it, doesn’t mean that we need to come up with a la a Roger a multi billion pound advertising campaign to tell people they were wrong. Their wishes need to be respected. And don’t get onto my constituents didn’t vote to be poorer, as there have been plenty of vox pops on the news where people say go ahead I don’t mind if I am poorer. What we need is a society where there are more opportunities and routes to success for those at the bottom. My parent grew up in social housing in Liverpool in the fifties and sixties. I doubt they would have the opportunity in this day and age to make a better life for themselves.Scott_P said:
That may well be true, but the problem at the heart of that analysis and this whole circus is that the things people are unhappy about WILL NOT BE SOLVED BY BREXIT!!!Nemtynakht said:Personally I see the current crisis as inherently the same as the referendum. The powerful, educated and metropolitan supprt remain in greater numbers, and this is generally the make up of our media, political class and civil service. They are now having to enact something they are deeply unhappy with and this is why May kicks the can down the road, the only overwhelming majority is for no deal, and a significant number of MPs believe the way to enact leaving the EU is to have another referendum which they hope remain would win.
In reality and as pointed out by John Curtice yesterday People have not really changed your mind, even if you think that polls that predicted a remain win are now accurately Leavers.
If politicians had been honest with the public about the issues, and the EU, we would not be in this mess right now.0 -
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The same could be said for voting for a political party - but we don’t just abando the concept of democracy! Just because the ill educated poorer people of the country want something and are prepared to vote for it, doesn’t mean that we need to come up with a la a Roger a multi billion pound advertising campaign to tell people they were wrong. Their wishes need to be respected. And don’t get onto my constituents didn’t vote to be poorer, as there have been plenty of vox pops on the news where people say go ahead I don’t mind if I am poorer. What we need is a society where there are more opportunities and routes to success for those at the bottom. My parent grew up in social housing in Liverpool in the fifties and sixties. I doubt they would have the opportunity in this day and age to make a better life for themselves.Scott_P said:
That may well be true, but the problem at the heart of that analysis and this whole circus is that the things people are unhappy about WILL NOT BE SOLVED BY BREXIT!!!Nemtynakht said:Personally I see the current crisis as inherently the same as the referendum. The powerful, educated and metropolitan supprt remain in greater numbers, and this is generally the make up of our media, political class and civil service. They are now having to enact something they are deeply unhappy with and this is why May kicks the can down the road, the only overwhelming majority is for no deal, and a significant number of MPs believe the way to enact leaving the EU is to have another referendum which they hope remain would win.
In reality and as pointed out by John Curtice yesterday People have not really changed your mind, even if you think that polls that predicted a remain win are now accurately Leavers.
If politicians had been honest with the public about the issues, and the EU, we would not be in this mess right now.0 -
Christ, the "German car manufacturers" school of thought has mutated.Sandpit said:
Yep!Philip_Thompson said:
Like our Parliamentarians the EU is a Poker player going All In.Casino_Royale said:
No, it's reinforced the EU's existing prejudices rather than challenged them.williamglenn said:
Wouldn't it be more true to say that the EU has learnt different lessons from the ones you wanted it to?Casino_Royale said:The EU has learnt nothing from the process either.
It believes it has, and is, making an example of the UK, teaching it a lesson, and discouraging others to its benefit as a whole.
I see zero evidence it's done any reflection on why the UK voted to Leave, and how the EU might need to respond to avoid such calamity in future, other than the reflexive dogmatic response of More Europe.
Worst case scenario for EU zealots is the UK exits without a deal and it proves not only not to be a disaster but to be a success instead. That would really put a rocket booster under sceptics across the continent. If we exit without a deal the EU kind of needs us to fail.
In theory they want to treat us like North Korea if there's no deal, but in practice the nuts and bolts of agreements to keep trade flowing are either done already or close to being so. The worst nightmare for the EU is that, a year down the line, no-deal Brexit is seen as a success.0 -
I love the damning accusation that May's stated plan all along, may have actually been her plan all along.rottenborough said:Christ, it takes a long time for pennies to drop for some people:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1108329994420449280
She's not exactly Dick Dastardly now is she?0 -
Caveat Emptor. No accompanying article or corroborating evidence. But interesting timing, if true
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/11083308681568378880 -
@Nemtynakht Brexit is going to reduce opputunities for success, not increase them.0
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She's more a MuttleyPhilip_Thompson said:
I love the damning accusation that May's stated plan all along, may have actually been her plan all along.rottenborough said:Christ, it takes a long time for pennies to drop for some people:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1108329994420449280
She's not exactly Dick Dastardly now is she?0 -
The FT have the story here.SeanT said:Caveat Emptor. No accompanying article or corroborating evidence. But interesting timing, if true
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1108330868156837888
https://www.ft.com/content/5655fd42-4afc-11e9-bbc9-6917dce3dc620 -
A three point turn seamlessly executed:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1108333603384160256
I still think they were right first time on this.0 -
Never mind Parliament, Leavers might need to start thinking about dissolving the electorate:
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/11080008079481118730 -
The most important question from Wacky Races was why did Penelope Pitstop have a vibrator setting in her car?Slackbladder said:
She's more a MuttleyPhilip_Thompson said:
I love the damning accusation that May's stated plan all along, may have actually been her plan all along.rottenborough said:Christ, it takes a long time for pennies to drop for some people:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1108329994420449280
She's not exactly Dick Dastardly now is she?
We need to ban this sick filth our kids are exposed to.0 -
However:AlastairMeeks said:A three point turn seamlessly executed:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1108333603384160256
I still think they were right first time on this.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1108325321814802433
(Although I confess I'm somewhat losing track - I thought parliament had already approved this?)0 -
I can't imagine her laughing like Muttley (perhaps I should just have stopped at 'laughing'?).Slackbladder said:
She's more a MuttleyPhilip_Thompson said:
I love the damning accusation that May's stated plan all along, may have actually been her plan all along.rottenborough said:Christ, it takes a long time for pennies to drop for some people:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1108329994420449280
She's not exactly Dick Dastardly now is she?0 -
Toyota has announced it is to start making Suzuki-badged cars at its Derbyshire factory as part of a collaboration agreement between the two manufacturers.SeanT said:Caveat Emptor. No accompanying article or corroborating evidence. But interesting timing, if true
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1108330868156837888
The move will see the company’s Burnaston plant supply Suzuki Motor Corporation with cars based on the new Corolla Wagon - a car which the factory officially started making at the beginning of the year.
Although built by Toyota staff, the vehicles will be badged as Suzuki cars. The Derbyshire factory is expected to start making the vehicles towards the end of 2020. The cars will be hybrid-electric vehicles, fitted with hybrid engines produced at Toyota’s engine manufacturing plant at Deeside, North Wales
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And don't even get me started on the Slag Brothers.0
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If my medicine supply is interupted and I subsequently develop a resistance to it, a very real possibility; then I don’t care if we should respect the vote of some bigot in Stoke on Trent or somewhere who wanted to stop the immigration of brown people.
But muh democracy.0 -
I think a second referendum would now be easily won by Remain.AlastairMeeks said:Never mind Parliament, Leavers might need to start thinking about dissolving the electorate:
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/11080008079481118730 -
Boris Johnson is Yogi Bear while Michael Gove is Boo Boo BearSlackbladder said:
She's more a MuttleyPhilip_Thompson said:
I love the damning accusation that May's stated plan all along, may have actually been her plan all along.rottenborough said:Christ, it takes a long time for pennies to drop for some people:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1108329994420449280
She's not exactly Dick Dastardly now is she?0 -
Only for the utterly fanatical.williamglenn said:
It's possible to reflect on why the UK voted to leave and come to the conclusion that indulging our political class with opt-outs and special treatment, and helping them dissemble about the EU to their voters was a large part of the problem.Casino_Royale said:
No, it's reinforced the EU's existing prejudices rather than challenged them.williamglenn said:
Wouldn't it be more true to say that the EU has learnt different lessons from the ones you wanted it to?Casino_Royale said:The EU has learnt nothing from the process either.
It believes it has, and is, making an example of the UK, teaching it a lesson, and discouraging others to its benefit as a whole.
I see zero evidence it's done any reflection on why the UK voted to Leave, and how the EU might need to respond to avoid such calamity in future, other than the reflexive dogmatic response of More Europe.0 -
Great post but the analogy is more like voting to make Didcot a nuclear free zone. Voting Leave does not solve the problem they faced.Nemtynakht said:
The same could be said for voting for a political party - but we don’t just abando the concept of democracy! Just because the ill educated poorer people of the country want something and are prepared to vote for it, doesn’t mean that we need to come up with a la a Roger a multi billion pound advertising campaign to tell people they were wrong. Their wishes need to be respected. And don’t get onto my constituents didn’t vote to be poorer, as there have been plenty of vox pops on the news where people say go ahead I don’t mind if I am poorer. What we need is a society where there are more opportunities and routes to success for those at the bottom. My parent grew up in social housing in Liverpool in the fifties and sixties. I doubt they would have the opportunity in this day and age to make a better life for themselves.Scott_P said:
That may well be true, but the problem at the heart of that analysis and this whole circus is that the things people are unhappy about WILL NOT BE SOLVED BY BREXIT!!!Nemtynakht said:Personally I see the current crisis as inherently the same as the referendum. The powerful, educated and metropolitan supprt remain in greater numbers, and this is generally the make up of our media, political class and civil service. They are now having to enact something they are deeply unhappy with and this is why May kicks the can down the road, the only overwhelming majority is for no deal, and a significant number of MPs believe the way to enact leaving the EU is to have another referendum which they hope remain would win.
In reality and as pointed out by John Curtice yesterday People have not really changed your mind, even if you think that polls that predicted a remain win are now accurately Leavers.
If politicians had been honest with the public about the issues, and the EU, we would not be in this mess right now.0 -
Mr Anorak,
Did we leave the 'shit place' then? I don't remember, hang on. I'll check.
Yes, I'm right, we never left, we're still in the shit place. But I think they're being a little unkind to the EU.0 -
I disagree - It’s going to make bugger all difference if you live on a council estate in one of our big cities. For the top two quartiles it will make a big difference. Less opportunity as FoM goes. Financial shock affecting those who have propoerty or investments. Business failure.Gallowgate said:@Nemtynakht Brexit is going to reduce opputunities for success, not increase them.
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Nice try, but obviously fake.TheScreamingEagles said:
The most important question from Wacky Races was why did Penelope Pitstop have a vibrator setting in her car?Slackbladder said:
She's more a MuttleyPhilip_Thompson said:
I love the damning accusation that May's stated plan all along, may have actually been her plan all along.rottenborough said:Christ, it takes a long time for pennies to drop for some people:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1108329994420449280
She's not exactly Dick Dastardly now is she?
We need to ban this sick filth our kids are exposed to.
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So a big knock-on effect on those living in a council estate in one of our big cities, who are dependent on the taxes paid by the top two quartiles (and especially the top 0.1%, who pay 8% of all income tax and NI).Nemtynakht said:
I disagree - It’s going to make bugger all difference if you live on a council estate in one of our big cities. For the top two quartiles it will make a big difference. Less opportunity as FoM goes. Financial shock affecting those who have propoerty or investments. Business failure.Gallowgate said:@Nemtynakht Brexit is going to reduce opputunities for success, not increase them.
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Boris Johnson is Bungle from RainbowPhilip_Thompson said:
Boris Johnson is Yogi Bear while Michael Gove is Boo Boo BearSlackbladder said:
She's more a MuttleyPhilip_Thompson said:
I love the damning accusation that May's stated plan all along, may have actually been her plan all along.rottenborough said:Christ, it takes a long time for pennies to drop for some people:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1108329994420449280
She's not exactly Dick Dastardly now is she?0 -
Bit harsh on old Bungle.eristdoof said:
Boris Johnson is Bungle from RainbowPhilip_Thompson said:
Boris Johnson is Yogi Bear while Michael Gove is Boo Boo BearSlackbladder said:
She's more a MuttleyPhilip_Thompson said:
I love the damning accusation that May's stated plan all along, may have actually been her plan all along.rottenborough said:Christ, it takes a long time for pennies to drop for some people:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1108329994420449280
She's not exactly Dick Dastardly now is she?0 -
Boris de Pfeffel's Incredibly Trick Hairstyleeristdoof said:
Boris Johnson is Bungle from RainbowPhilip_Thompson said:
Boris Johnson is Yogi Bear while Michael Gove is Boo Boo BearSlackbladder said:
She's more a MuttleyPhilip_Thompson said:
I love the damning accusation that May's stated plan all along, may have actually been her plan all along.rottenborough said:Christ, it takes a long time for pennies to drop for some people:
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1108329994420449280
She's not exactly Dick Dastardly now is she?0 -
The voluntary Conservative party in the country wont put up with a delay beyond June. It doesn't look like enough ERG types will support the WA now or in 3 months time. WTO exit it is then. The country will at least know where we stand and when the much forecast armageddon doesn't materialise it will will all come as a pleasant relief to most people.0
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And what if it does materialise?Concanvasser said:The voluntary Conservative party in the country wont put up with a delay beyond June. It doesn't look like enough ERG types will support the WA now or in 3 months time. WTO exit it is then. The country will at least know where we stand and when the much forecast armageddon doesn't materialise it will will all come as a pleasant relief to most people.
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If Labour collude with the Tories in bringing about no deal, by not pressing for a longer extension, and in/out polls show numbers like that, it won't just be the Tories that are destroyed for a generation.0
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They do seem to be against remainWhisperingOracle said:If Labour collude with the Tories in bringing about no deal, by not pressing for a longer extension, and in/out polls show numbers like that, it won't just be the Tories that are destroyed for a generation.
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Dunt is certainly deranged this morning, not sure about irresponsible.CarlottaVance said:Not a happy bunny.....
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/11083346541370040420 -
usual tediumScott_P said:0 -
One reason I want Brexit out of the way is I'm keen to see what the tiggers have to offer by way of domestic policyWhisperingOracle said:If Labour collude with the Tories in bringing about no deal, by not pressing for a longer extension, and in/out polls show numbers like that, it won't just be the Tories that are destroyed for a generation.
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Has she said "Let me be clear" yet?0
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One of the BTL comments on the Guardian live blog made a rather good point:
Does coming out in favour of a 3 month extension (11:08) mean that, in practice, Labour are coming out against a second referendum?0 -
I daresay everything will become clear after PMQ's.
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She tends to favour the ridiculous 'I am clear'.Dura_Ace said:Has she said "Let me be clear" yet?
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Its only a WTO exit if those on opposition benches who pretend they want to avoid no deal keep rejecting the deal.Concanvasser said:The voluntary Conservative party in the country wont put up with a delay beyond June. It doesn't look like enough ERG types will support the WA now or in 3 months time. WTO exit it is then. The country will at least know where we stand and when the much forecast armageddon doesn't materialise it will will all come as a pleasant relief to most people.
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Well I expect Concanvasser and other like-minded people will admit they were wrong and apologise.....no?Richard_Nabavi said:
And what if it does materialise?Concanvasser said:The voluntary Conservative party in the country wont put up with a delay beyond June. It doesn't look like enough ERG types will support the WA now or in 3 months time. WTO exit it is then. The country will at least know where we stand and when the much forecast armageddon doesn't materialise it will will all come as a pleasant relief to most people.
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The thing is, as we talked about yesterday Andrew Yang has identified a real issue coming down the pipe at a rate of knots, and nobody here is talking about it in a forward looking way (I don't count Corbyn's back to the 70s protectionist nationalise everything as a viable solution).dyedwoolie said:
One reason I want Brexit out of the way is I'm keen to see what the tiggers have to offer by way of domestic policyWhisperingOracle said:If Labour collude with the Tories in bringing about no deal, by not pressing for a longer extension, and in/out polls show numbers like that, it won't just be the Tories that are destroyed for a generation.
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Some vegetarian beef and lamb substitute for me, please!Scott_P said:0 -
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Aren't we all vegan these days? Given recent dinner parties, I am coming to the conclusion I am the odd one out that still enjoys animals products.0
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This is why Labour's vacillations are so iniquitous. It is these folk who will be hit first, and hardest - the very people Labour should be doing most to defend.Richard_Nabavi said:
So a big knock-on effect on those living in a council estate in one of our big cities, who are dependent on the taxes paid by the top two quartiles (and especially the top 0.1%, who pay 8% of all income tax and NI).Nemtynakht said:
I disagree - It’s going to make bugger all difference if you live on a council estate in one of our big cities. For the top two quartiles it will make a big difference. Less opportunity as FoM goes. Financial shock affecting those who have propoerty or investments. Business failure.Gallowgate said:@Nemtynakht Brexit is going to reduce opputunities for success, not increase them.
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We live in interesting timesFrancisUrquhart said:
The thing is, as we talked about yesterday Andrew Yang has identified a real issue coming down the pipe at a rate of knots, and nobody here is talking about it in a forward looking way (I don't count Corbyn's back to the 70s protectionist nationalise everything as a viable solution).dyedwoolie said:
One reason I want Brexit out of the way is I'm keen to see what the tiggers have to offer by way of domestic policyWhisperingOracle said:If Labour collude with the Tories in bringing about no deal, by not pressing for a longer extension, and in/out polls show numbers like that, it won't just be the Tories that are destroyed for a generation.
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The hyperbole used has been such that unless the NHS has to shut hospitals and Waitrose issue ration books it won't seem as bad as expected. Remainers have played it by the Osborne rule book again and over egged the pudding.Richard_Nabavi said:
And what if it does materialise?Concanvasser said:The voluntary Conservative party in the country wont put up with a delay beyond June. It doesn't look like enough ERG types will support the WA now or in 3 months time. WTO exit it is then. The country will at least know where we stand and when the much forecast armageddon doesn't materialise it will will all come as a pleasant relief to most people.
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Vince Cable appears to be asleep, which is reflective of the the last 2 years.0
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It will be the wrong kind of No Deal.Peter_the_Punter said:
Well I expect Concanvasser and other like-minded people will admit they were wrong and apologise.....no?Richard_Nabavi said:
And what if it does materialise?Concanvasser said:The voluntary Conservative party in the country wont put up with a delay beyond June. It doesn't look like enough ERG types will support the WA now or in 3 months time. WTO exit it is then. The country will at least know where we stand and when the much forecast armageddon doesn't materialise it will will all come as a pleasant relief to most people.
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May saying in nobodies interest to have EU elections. She has asked for extension until 30th June.0
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Hahaha. Let's see May's face when someone passes her a note with that on.0
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Govt going for MV3...will Bercow allow it???0
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Based on what May has just said, if no Brexit by end of June she will resign?!?0
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Where "nobody" = everyone but the Conservative Party and the Labour Party.FrancisUrquhart said:May saying in nobodies interest to have EU elections. She has asked for extension until 30th June.
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TM explanation on the extension will resonate with the electorate if not the HOC0
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So basically May just said she would ignore the previous vote to have a long extension which she herself suggested would be the case if her deal was not passed by today because...reasons.0
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TM poor.0
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May 23rd it is thenRichard_Nabavi said:
** Buffs nails, looking smug ***Scott_P said:0 -
I continue to yearn for a pasties tax being the most shambolic issue....0
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Now some people might think posting on a political betting website is a bit sad....
'I clean road signs in my spare time'
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So before May 22nd or EU elections - I'm glad I'm abroad I suspect I would die of popcorn overload if I was in the UK this week...Slackbladder said:0 -
Like you, I think Theresa May actively wanted this response. It suits her to be dragged to a position, given the maniacs she has behind her.Richard_Nabavi said:
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.. because Nothing Has Changed. Do keep up.solarflare said:So basically May just said she would ignore the previous vote to have a long extension which she herself suggested would be the case if her deal was not passed by today because...reasons.
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Corbyn crap.
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Not sure. I think a short extension is best for her getting her deal through.AlastairMeeks said:
Like you, I think Theresa May actively wanted this response. It suits her to be dragged to a position, given the maniacs she has behind her.Richard_Nabavi said:
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PMQs...This is a waste of time.0
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But that wouldn't respect the electorate's vote three years ago....SeanT said:
I think a second referendum would now be easily won by Remain.AlastairMeeks said:Never mind Parliament, Leavers might need to start thinking about dissolving the electorate:
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NEW THREAD
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It is why the new "political elite" that is now dominated by fanatics for Brexit do not really want to test the will-o-the-people again.SeanT said:
I think a second referendum would now be easily won by Remain.AlastairMeeks said:Never mind Parliament, Leavers might need to start thinking about dissolving the electorate:
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1108000807948111873
To twist a phrase "The people have spoken...now let's not let the bastards speak again because they may have changed their mind"0 -
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Just not true. It will take just one death as the result of drug shortages, or a handful of company failures, with job losses, directly and obviously attributable to hard brexit, to turn the country against those responsible.Concanvasser said:
The hyperbole used has been such that unless the NHS has to shut hospitals and Waitrose issue ration books it won't seem as bad as expected. Remainers have played it by the Osborne rule book again and over egged the pudding.Richard_Nabavi said:
And what if it does materialise?Concanvasser said:The voluntary Conservative party in the country wont put up with a delay beyond June. It doesn't look like enough ERG types will support the WA now or in 3 months time. WTO exit it is then. The country will at least know where we stand and when the much forecast armageddon doesn't materialise it will will all come as a pleasant relief to most people.
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