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  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    I hope they realise theyll get steamed to death in an ocean of boiling piss :-)
    If they can't get a people's vote that haven't got a snowballs chance in hell of revocation. These people are deluded.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,352

    Might not get ones first choice under STV but it gets a lot closer.
    Just as you might not get your first choice in FPTP. Not sure why people voting for a losing candidate are entitled to a second shot. ;)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,560
    mwadams said:

    One of the big problems I see is that we are generating people who are capable of talking confidently without hesitation or deviation. As undergraduates (and at their peak ability to memorise content) they underpin the opinion they express with evidence.

    As they progress, and especially if the evidence does not support their case, the ability to speak with confidence and authority persists, but the connection of opinion to evidence is allowed to drop, and this is where we end up.
    Good comment. And now I have to go out for the afternoon.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,933

    Senior members of the shadow cabinet have told The Londoner that they understand Jeremy Corbyn would like to step down as leader of the Labour Party.

    The sources say that a number of those around the leader are also of the view that Corbyn, who is 70 in May, would like to pass on the reins of his surprisingly successful socialist project.

    One member of the shadow cabinet told us: “He’s tired and fed up.” Another: “Corbyn is ready to step down. He wants to step down.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/the-londoner-corbyn-ponders-leadership-exit-a4094546.html

    Yes, was mentioned last night. Surprised it drew so little comment. If he stood down and anointed Cooper as successor, he might retire with lifelong dream of destroying the Tories achieved. :)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,087

    We aren't far from being told that white guilt is racist
    Whole thing is a lot of bollox, stick the guilt where the sunshines, anybody can make up any rubbish about the past , get over it. It was done by other people long ago nobody in present has any guilt for what people did in the past , it is pathetic.
  • dixiedean said:

    Yes, was mentioned last night. Surprised it drew so little comment. If he stood down and anointed Cooper as successor, he might retire with lifelong dream of destroying the Tories achieved. :)
    He should stand down in favour of Richard Burgon.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/08/14/the-1001-bet-on-the-next-labour-leader-that-quite-a-few-of-us-have-taken-this-last-week/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,457
    edited March 2019
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,680

    I hope they realise theyll get steamed to death in an ocean of boiling piss :-)
    I've heard better attempts at project fear. :smile:
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,087

    I’m just out of a conference where one of the sobering statistics given was that 17 million employees have less than £100 savings.
    I saw similar recently where it said most of the population would struggle to raise £100 in an emergency. Incredible.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Senior members of the shadow cabinet have told The Londoner that they understand Jeremy Corbyn would like to step down as leader of the Labour Party.

    The sources say that a number of those around the leader are also of the view that Corbyn, who is 70 in May, would like to pass on the reins of his surprisingly successful socialist project.

    One member of the shadow cabinet told us: “He’s tired and fed up.” Another: “Corbyn is ready to step down. He wants to step down.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/the-londoner-corbyn-ponders-leadership-exit-a4094546.html

    You missed out the best bit, which sounds like something out of Yes Minister:

    official Labour sources denied Corbyn was pondering an exit - "Somebody has been eating too much cheese, or something harder,” one said, adding, “His diary is packed full. He does a lot more late nights than early mornings: meetings, engagements, receptions. He’ll be at the Kebab Awards tonight.”

  • Another test of just how stupid is this government

    Sainsbury and ASDA promise lower prices and better treatment of suppliers.

    Greg Clark probably believes them.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/companies

    To be fair, Asda are a decent business to work with. Sure, you know that they will run low on cash towards year end and get their begging bowl out, but otherwise they're good. Unlike JS.

    As for lower prices, I refer you back to "we're in the money"
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,086
    Drugs shortages already being reported by the NHS.

    #Sunny uplands !
  • He should stand down in favour of Richard Burgon.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/08/14/the-1001-bet-on-the-next-labour-leader-that-quite-a-few-of-us-have-taken-this-last-week/
    Budgon is to the real Labour Party what Ben Swain is to the fictional Labour Party on The Thick of It
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,680
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    dixiedean said:

    Yes, was mentioned last night. Surprised it drew so little comment. If he stood down and anointed Cooper as successor, he might retire with lifelong dream of destroying the Tories achieved. :)
    God no, Cooper would be a car-crash as leader.

    A general election between her and Boris would be Trump v Clinton on steroids.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,674
    Interesting, nuanced comments from Margaret Beckett - IMO the temporary leader we should have kept at that time.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/house/house-magazine/102637/margaret-beckett-“people-put-you
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841

    Senior members of the shadow cabinet have told The Londoner that they understand Jeremy Corbyn would like to step down as leader of the Labour Party.

    The sources say that a number of those around the leader are also of the view that Corbyn, who is 70 in May, would like to pass on the reins of his surprisingly successful socialist project.

    One member of the shadow cabinet told us: “He’s tired and fed up.” Another: “Corbyn is ready to step down. He wants to step down.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/the-londoner-corbyn-ponders-leadership-exit-a4094546.html

    Sounds like #FakeNews to me.

    Jezza could be literally weeks away from becoming Prime Minister and enacting the most radical socialist manifesto this country has ever seen and we're meant to believe he wants to give it all up?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841

    Interesting, nuanced comments from Margaret Beckett - IMO the temporary leader we should have kept at that time.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/house/house-magazine/102637/margaret-beckett-“people-put-you

    Would you have preferred Ma Beckett to Tone? :D
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,680

    You missed out the best bit, which sounds like something out of Yes Minister:

    official Labour sources denied Corbyn was pondering an exit - "Somebody has been eating too much cheese, or something harder,” one said, adding, “His diary is packed full. He does a lot more late nights than early mornings: meetings, engagements, receptions. He’ll be at the Kebab Awards tonight.”
    A mainstay of the Parliamentary calendar, apparently ?
    https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/other/what-is-kebab-awards-westminster-mps-parliament-marie-le-conte

    Perhaps something to do with the famous Kinnock expostulation ?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,087
    Sean_F said:

    As an aside, I've just applied to do a Masters' Degree, in Military History, with Buckingham University. It will be the first time in thirty years that I've done an academic course.
    Sounds very interesting , good luck I am sure you will enjoy.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Sounds like #FakeNews to me.

    Jezza could be literally weeks away from becoming Prime Minister and enacting the most radical socialist manifesto this country has ever seen and we're meant to believe he wants to give it all up?
    George Osborne doesn’t publish fake news.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,784
    edited March 2019

    To be fair, Asda are a decent business to work with. Sure, you know that they will run low on cash towards year end and get their begging bowl out, but otherwise they're good. Unlike JS.

    As for lower prices, I refer you back to "we're in the money"
    it doesnt seem to have struck JS and ASDA that screaming about price increases post Brexit while simultaneously claiming there will be price decreases in the post Brexit world may be somewhat inconsistent.

    Likewise if both supermarkets claim they will be stretched to maintain their supply chains next month why on earth would we want to add the turmoil of a supply chain reorganisation in to the mix.

    But then Greg Clark is easily duped.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,784

    George Osborne doesn’t publish fake news.
    he invents it and gets other people to publish it
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,492
    justin124 said:

    Apparently another YouGov out showing the Tory lead down to 35-33.LD on 11.

    It was the Peoples' Vote poll, which was taken at the same time as the Times', but it doesn't break down the figures for Others.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,243
    edited March 2019
    Brom said:

    If they can't get a people's vote that haven't got a snowballs chance in hell of revocation. These people are deluded.
    Yeah, but it's Overton Window stuff.

    If there's a chorus of people calling for unilateral Revoke, increasingly a People's Vote will look like the sensible, compromise option.

    The Overton Window theory is also why TIG are probably doomed, but sadly OGH didn't want my impeccably sourced and reasoned header submission on that. ;)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,492

    I did something similar. It was very interesting explaining and discussing ideas, and having the discipline of writing to someone else's satisfaction, as opposed to commercially, although I wrote for the professional press.
    viewcode said:

    Good grief, I am so jealous! Well done you!

    I'm really looking forward to it. They've got some first class lecturers, such as Max Hastings, Antony Beevor, and Richard Evans.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,492

    Yeah, but it's Overton Window stuff.

    If there's a chorus of people calling for unilateral Revoke, increasingly a People's Vote will look like the sensible, compromise option.

    The Overton Window theory is also why TIG are probably doomed, but sadly OGH didn't want my impeccably sourced and reasoned header submission on that. ;)
    Revoke is a niche opinion (albeit, it's what most of the Peoples' Voters privately want).
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Sean_F said:


    I'm really looking forward to it. They've got some first class lecturers, such as Max Hastings, Antony Beevor, and Richard Evans.

    That sounds great.

    Does the course cover the Tory Civil Wars 2016-2019?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,492

    That sounds great.

    Does the course cover the Tory Civil Wars 2016-2019?
    Sadly, it stops at WWII.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    There's much more going on here than verbal diarrhea. He's more than happy for everyone to think he's a fruitbat shoksg dtip drip drip goes the narrative
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,680
    'Prince Lucifer' does have a certain ring to it.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591

    The fact that May still appears to think "the people" have a settled, unanimous view explains a lot.
    I think she believes that the will of the people is embodied in herself. Which explains a lot more.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Corbyn won't resign. There dill be a civil war for the labour party after him and he knows may will engineer an election whilst labour trips over its own blood and body parts
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,317

    That sounds great.

    Does the course cover the Tory Civil Wars 2016-2019?
    Subtitled 'Only the Beginning'?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,674
    GIN1138 said:

    Would you have preferred Ma Beckett to Tone? :D
    IIRC I did vote for her, and also preferred her as deputy leader to John Prescott.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,492
    That's nothing.

    People used to give their children names like Praise-God, or Zeal-in-the Land, or Peculiar.
  • Poor Geoffrey Cox having to deal with such ruffians.

    https://twitter.com/huffpostukpol/status/1108013046721626113?s=21
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    I think she believes that the will of the people is embodied in herself. Which explains a lot more.
    There are hospitals for people like that.
  • Sean_F said:

    That's nothing.

    People used to give their children names like Praise-God, or Zeal-in-the Land, or Peculiar.
    I still preferred Praise-God Barebone’s christened names.

    Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barebone.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,505

    Poor Geoffrey Cox having to deal with such ruffians.

    https://twitter.com/huffpostukpol/status/1108013046721626113?s=21

    How the hell have they been allowed onto Parliamentary property.

    This is all getting completely out of hand.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    First (on the NEW THREAD).
  • NEW THREAD

  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251

    Senior members of the shadow cabinet have told The Londoner that they understand Jeremy Corbyn would like to step down as leader of the Labour Party.

    The sources say that a number of those around the leader are also of the view that Corbyn, who is 70 in May, would like to pass on the reins of his surprisingly successful socialist project.

    One member of the shadow cabinet told us: “He’s tired and fed up.” Another: “Corbyn is ready to step down. He wants to step down.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/the-londoner-corbyn-ponders-leadership-exit-a4094546.html

    He may yet go before TM
  • it doesnt seem to have struck JS and ASDA that screaming about price increases post Brexit while simultaneously claiming there will be price decreases in the post Brexit world may be somewhat inconsistent.

    Likewise if both supermarkets claim they will be stretched to maintain their supply chains next month why on earth would we want to add the turmoil of a supply chain reorganisation in to the mix.

    But then Greg Clark is easily duped.
    There will be substantial food price rises whether we Brexit or not. Several reasons: the entire industry has largely tied itself in knots trying to second guess events. Vast amounts of cash is tied up in stored stock, ingredients and packaging all stockpiled as a hedge against disruption. All that costs money. The massive change to ordering patterns has genuinely loaded costs onto producers who have had to work flat out to fulfill enhanced orders.

    Even if Brexit is significantly delayed next week costs have been incurred (albeit not as big an increase as we'd see if we crash out). We've also seen cost loading and cash flow strains on businesses not resilient enough to cope (and yes, I count the likes of Asda and JS in this as they are not remotely profitable enough for their stock exchange overlords).

    So price rises are inevitable. Brexit has cost the industry a lot and we haven't left yet. And for the few lucky sods not directly hit by costs? They'll go for price anyway as its a free hit if everyone else is doing so.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    I still preferred Praise-God Barebone’s christened names.

    Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barebone.
    I like the example from that time of the puritan who named his five daughters after what he regarded as the feminine virtues: Chastity, Prudence, Grace, Mercy, and (his favourite) Silence.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    Sean_F said:


    I'm really looking forward to it. They've got some first class lecturers, such as Max Hastings, Antony Beevor, and Richard Evans.
    Do you have a specialism? There's a military history group at my club that's often on the lookout for speakers.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,273
    Sean_F said:

    As an aside, I've just applied to do a Masters' Degree, in Military History, with Buckingham University. It will be the first time in thirty years that I've done an academic course.
    Good for you.

    I’ve seen that advertised and also fantasised about applying.

    Maybe one day.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,273

    You missed out the best bit, which sounds like something out of Yes Minister:

    official Labour sources denied Corbyn was pondering an exit - "Somebody has been eating too much cheese, or something harder,” one said, adding, “His diary is packed full. He does a lot more late nights than early mornings: meetings, engagements, receptions. He’ll be at the Kebab Awards tonight.”
    I hope he doesn’t get skewered.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,680

    I like the example from that time of the puritan who named his five daughters after what he regarded as the feminine virtues: Chastity, Prudence, Grace, Mercy, and (his favourite) Silence.
    An unfortunate choice of name for the Lamb family, though....
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    kinabalu said:

    A 12 month extension with an escape clause triggered by passing the Withdrawal Agreement. That to me seems like the way to go.

    There's automatically an escape clause if we agree the WIthdrawal Agreement. In Article 50, the deadline is "when an Agreement is made"; the time limit is what happens in the absence of an Agreement.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,087
    Nigelb said:

    'Prince Lucifer' does have a certain ring to it.
    Lucifer McClarty not so much.
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