Just been emailing around organising transport for our trip to London for the march on Saturday. It's a measure of the confused state of the government's handling that we aren't entirely sure what we'll be protesting against/for yet.
Yes, but important to show the depth of Pro Europe opinion in the country, for the world to see that we will not be defined by narrow minded nativism. See you there, weather forecast looks good!
That's a somewhat blatant category error. I'm afraid, @Foxy !
There is no contradiction between supporting Brexit and being pro-Europe.
I view Brexit as being profoundly outward-looking.
Just been emailing around organising transport for our trip to London for the march on Saturday. It's a measure of the confused state of the government's handling that we aren't entirely sure what we'll be protesting against/for yet.
Yes, but important to show the depth of Pro Europe opinion in the country, for the world to see that we will not be defined by narrow minded nativism. See you there, weather forecast looks good!
What does Pro Europe actually mean ?
Full integration into the EU with currency, borders and defence ? Some halfway house which is neither in nor out ? Eating croissants while holidaying in the Dordogne ?
Can you explain
It would mean all those things, none of those things and everything else you can imagine.
Just as Brexit has been impossible to pin down. But right now it simply means not Brexit, not this mess, and especially not Theresa May's mess.
precisely
remainers dont understand what they are seeking to remain in, therein lies a whole new set of problems
Speak for yourself. I knew what I was voting for in 2016 and I would be very content with the deal now, which is leaving (much as some doltish Leavers don’t seem to think so).
If the government forces another referendum on us I would have a lot of thinking to do. And googling.
LOL
how could you know what you were voting for. Youre old and stupid and blinded by buses and you were lied to.
Really Mr T stop bigging yourself up :-)
how dare you - I have 20:20 vision
I knew in as much as that sage put it - voting to Remain was voting for a known unknown.
Just been emailing around organising transport for our trip to London for the march on Saturday. It's a measure of the confused state of the government's handling that we aren't entirely sure what we'll be protesting against/for yet.
Yes, but important to show the depth of Pro Europe opinion in the country, for the world to see that we will not be defined by narrow minded nativism. See you there, weather forecast looks good!
That's a somewhat blatant category error. I'm afraid, @Foxy !
There is no contradiction between supporting Brexit and being pro-Europe.
I view Brexit as being profoundly outward-looking.
I think the government has reached quite a reasonable compromise point given the constraints. What they've done is found that they can't implement Brexit actually happening, but they can implement Brexit Thinking, ie a total dogged determination to ignore the world as it actually is and act as if it was the way you want it to be.
I'd define my son as being pro-Europe. He lives and works in Copenhagen but is amused by some of their characteristics - in a very British way. He has an Irish passport but supports the English rugby team (league and union). He's marrying a Danish woman, can speak Danish, but they both speak English at home. And he'd probably have voted Remain, but remains cynical about the EU as an organisation.
my son's not much different. UK and Irish passports, French girlfriend, supports Ireland in Rugby, England in football, follows Paris saint Germain, voted Leave as he's totally cynical about the EU bureaucracy.
The luxury of an entirely consequence-free vote. Lucky lad. He will continue to benefit from all the EU offers.
Im glad you have come round to my point of view. Ive been telling you for ages there will be no serious consequences post Brexit but youve been glooming me with economic disasters, food shortgaes, war death and plague.
In other news youve been beaten to the annual drought warning by the Environment Agency
.....to bind Tory MPs to the deal with a manifesto commitment.
Trouble is that Mansion House was on the manifesto last time, and the difference between Mansion House and Chequers/WA is mere reality.
Supporting Mansion House and rejecting Chequers is like dating Mary Kate, finding out she's a bit of a diva, and so fetishising Ashley, ignoring her equal divaness.
I’m sure Mr Hawkins is paraphrasing the final entry...
People may love or hate BoJo but really, to think that he would have the application to sit down for more than two minutes to negotiate anything (and then not tweet about it thereafter thereby trashing any progress made) is the most wishful and fanciful of thinking.
Next time Leavers say Brexit would be a success if we had a Leaver as Prime Minister I’d cite the competence (sic) of Chris Grayling and the disgraced national security risk Liam Fox. Can you imagine being a patient of Doctor Fox?
I don’t even have to cite Boris Johnson’s tenure as Foreign Secretary.
Next time Leavers say Brexit would be a success if we had a Leaver as Prime Minister I’d cite the competence (sic) of Chris Grayling and the disgraced national security risk Liam Fox. Can you imagine being a patient of Doctor Fox?
I don’t even have to cite Boris Johnson’s tenure as Foreign Secretary.
Next time Leavers say Brexit would be a success if we had a Leaver as Prime Minister I’d cite the competence (sic) of Chris Grayling and the disgraced national security risk Liam Fox. Can you imagine being a patient of Doctor Fox?
I don’t even have to cite Boris Johnson’s tenure as Foreign Secretary.
Can you imagine being a patient of Doctor Fox?
Foxy's a remainer I hope his medical skills are better than his namesakes
The man's a total fkwit. he lives in a world where Queen Victoria is still on the throne and the english aspire for world domination.
His book on the crash emphasized that it was obviously coming when croissants were being sold outside D4. It’s like reading a Polly Toynbee and noting that she is the epitome of English intellectual thought.
What's the point in bringing MV3 back, even if the speaker doesn't rule it out of order it will fail by at least 50 votes. Even if the DUP can be bought, that's 30 votes short. Where are the government going to find 10 further converts and 10-20 abstentions?
Bercow did the government and May a favour, go back to Brussels, get an extension and find a deal that will pass through the house or hold an election to bind Tory MPs to the deal with a manifesto commitment.
Good displacement activity, people can blame Bercow for a bit instead of concentrating on the issues. But a decision has to eventually be made and god knows what it is but I don't expect yours to be the route taken...
I guess that is what you think the government should do rather than what you think it will do?
Logically I don't see an alternative May will go for.
She is committed now to ask for a long extension. A long extension must have a purpose. Another election is preferable to another referendum.
What's the point in bringing MV3 back, even if the speaker doesn't rule it out of order it will fail by at least 50 votes. Even if the DUP can be bought, that's 30 votes short. Where are the government going to find 10 further converts and 10-20 abstentions?
Bercow did the government and May a favour, go back to Brussels, get an extension and find a deal that will pass through the house or hold an election to bind Tory MPs to the deal with a manifesto commitment.
Good displacement activity, people can blame Bercow for a bit instead of concentrating on the issues. But a decision has to eventually be made and god knows what it is but I don't expect yours to be the route taken...
I guess that is what you think the government should do rather than what you think it will do?
Logically I don't see an alternative May will go for.
She is committed now to ask for a long extension. A long extension must have a purpose. Another election is preferable to another referendum.
Why? A GE would effectivley be a 2nd referendum but with the votes of anyone who doesn’t live in a safe seat ignored
Good luck with that strategy. Bercow enjoys people trying to intimidate him and makes a point of doing the opposite.
Yes. And beyond the tabloid headline reaction my sense is also that the popular reaction to this isn't quite as the government might have hoped. Large numbers of reader contributors at the Mail's website, for instance, seem to be vastly enjoying this reversal for the government.
People don't need to be experts in parliamentary procedure to see the vacuity in putting the same thing to the vote over and over.
Until a few weeks ago there had been little question of a UK govt putting the same question repeatedly to parliament. It was also extremely rare for a govt not to pull a vote that it knew it was going to lose. Brexit has taken us through the looking glass.
It's almost like we can still cooperate with our neighbours where it suits us to do so without being enmeshed in a project to create a single unified country.
Mr. rkrkrk, he did remove the slim chance of the deal going through. Perhaps more significantly, whatever dubious action he takes next in this matter will be seen in the light of what he did yesterday.
If there's a majority for the deal it will go through one way or the other. Perhaps standing orders will be set aside, perhaps some new wording will be devised, perhaps we will come up with a new parliamentary session, perhaps something else.
The problem with this is that the act of preparing the vote, and the weeklong pressure leading up to it in the context of EU deadlines, was part of the likelihood of it passing. If something no longer seems possible or active, the coalition for it, painfully patched together by whips, can just as quickly collapse again.
It's almost like we can still cooperate with our neighbours where it suits us to do so without being enmeshed in a project to create a single unified country.
Put through electoral calculus, that gives one of the most well-hung Parliaments ever: Con: 285 (first in seats, second in votes) Lab: 270 (down in votes, up in seats) SNP: 46 LD: 20 TIG: 7 Plaid: 3 Green: 1 UKIP: 0 (N Ire: 18)
Put through electoral calculus, that gives one of the most well-hung Parliaments ever: Con: 285 (first in seats, second in votes) Lab: 270 (down in votes, up in seats) SNP: 46 LD: 20 TIG: 7 Plaid: 3 Green: 1 UKIP: 0 (N Ire: 18)
“Global laughing stock with trashed reputation”.....
The percentage of overseas students making Britain their first choice for business school has increased since the EU referendum, suggesting that fears about Brexit damaging the sector were overblown...
Some 54 per cent of test takers surveyed by GMAC last December said Brexit had made no impact on the attractiveness of Britain as a place to study, up from 46 per cent in December 2016. Moreover, 71 per cent of UK business schools included in the study reported a year-on-year increase in applications.
The British education system also continues to be well respected among overseas applicants, and Britain has maintained its reputation among MBA students as a great place to launch an international career.
"Biden seemed to hint at his bid last week, telling an audience that he has the "most progressive record" of anyone running or considering running for president.
"I have the most progressive record of anybody running for the — anybody who would run," he said."
I'm sure he missed out the word "bigly" in there.....
Those have chips in them. The name, virtually everywhere I've been, is therefore "Chip butty". I don't see "butty" on the list; it is therefore horrifically wrong.
A disgraced MP has pleaded with voters not to remove her from the House of Commons as she insisted she is innocent - despite being found guilty by a court.
A recall petition will open on Tuesday, in which local voters will be asked whether Fiona Onasanya should lose her seat as MP for Peterborough.
A disgraced MP has pleaded with voters not to remove her from the House of Commons as she insisted she is innocent - despite being found guilty by a court.
A recall petition will open on Tuesday, in which local voters will be asked whether Fiona Onasanya should lose her seat as MP for Peterborough.
Well the jury disagreed, and the court of appeal said she didn’t have a leg to stand on.
To anyone who knows someone in Peterborough, remind them about the petition. Their town deserves to be represented in Parliament by an honest man or woman.
Those have chips in them. The name, virtually everywhere I've been, is therefore "Chip butty". I don't see "butty" on the list; it is therefore horrifically wrong.
It is only a butty with something inside it. cf egg banjo.
Put through electoral calculus, that gives one of the most well-hung Parliaments ever: Con: 285 (first in seats, second in votes) Lab: 270 (down in votes, up in seats) SNP: 46 LD: 20 TIG: 7 Plaid: 3 Green: 1 UKIP: 0 (N Ire: 18)
Make a Government out of that little lot...
That would be quite a horrible result, would probably lead to another election when the budget couldn’t get passed.
Either Con + DUP + LD or Lab +SNP+ PC + LD to get a majority. Old Uncle Vince might be happy.
Those have chips in them. The name, virtually everywhere I've been, is therefore "Chip butty". I don't see "butty" on the list; it is therefore horrifically wrong.
A 'stottie' is a particular type of bread in the North East and it doesn't look like that.
Motion passed. Speaker promptly resigns, as do his deputies.
House has to elect replacements. More delay.
Not necessarily. Suspending Standing Orders is accepted as a reasonable thing to do in exceptional circumstances, but not simply when the government wants to use its majority to override the rules. If there really is a majority for May's deal then, given the moment of national crisis, I don't think the Speaker would even need to think of resigning.
What the ruling does do - and we should be grateful - is make the government think whether it might do something more useful than keep failing with the same proposal and doing nothing else to resolve the matter. It also has the benefit that we will soon know how long the extension offered by the EU is going to be.
There seems to be a weird contradiction wherein Leavers seem reluctant to take part in democratic protests or public displays of support in any great numbers, while we're told if their desires are thwarted that the rivers of Leaverstan will be foaming with much blood. Otoh Remainers turn out in their 100s of 1000s, yet the chances of them resorting to violent acts of terrorism are precisely zero whatever the outcome.
Put through electoral calculus, that gives one of the most well-hung Parliaments ever: Con: 285 (first in seats, second in votes) Lab: 270 (down in votes, up in seats) SNP: 46 LD: 20 TIG: 7 Plaid: 3 Green: 1 UKIP: 0 (N Ire: 18)
Make a Government out of that little lot...
Sure. Minority Labour government with SNP/LD confidence and supply. Don't even need TIG or Green. Probably corresponds to median opinion - "yeah, we want a change from the Tory shambles, but we don't want Corbyn unconstrained by moderates".
I do think the picture editors have done a more entertaining job than the headline writers.
Bercow is his own worst enemy (not while I'm alive, says Andrea) - a procedurally perfectly defensible move (arguably a week late) done before the government tabled any motion, thus saving it some embarrassment, snookered by his smug pompous hectoring style.
“Global laughing stock with trashed reputation”.....
The percentage of overseas students making Britain their first choice for business school has increased since the EU referendum, suggesting that fears about Brexit damaging the sector were overblown...
Some 54 per cent of test takers surveyed by GMAC last December said Brexit had made no impact on the attractiveness of Britain as a place to study, up from 46 per cent in December 2016. Moreover, 71 per cent of UK business schools included in the study reported a year-on-year increase in applications.
The British education system also continues to be well respected among overseas applicants, and Britain has maintained its reputation among MBA students as a great place to launch an international career.
A disgraced MP has pleaded with voters not to remove her from the House of Commons as she insisted she is innocent - despite being found guilty by a court.
A recall petition will open on Tuesday, in which local voters will be asked whether Fiona Onasanya should lose her seat as MP for Peterborough.
Well the jury disagreed, and the court of appeal said she didn’t have a leg to stand on.
To anyone who knows someone in Peterborough, remind them about the petition. Their town deserves to be represented in Parliament by an honest man or woman.
They'd probably settle for one who isn't an embarrassment.....
Motion passed. Speaker promptly resigns, as do his deputies.
House has to elect replacements. More delay.
Not necessarily. Suspending Standing Orders is accepted as a reasonable thing to do in exceptional circumstances, but not simply when the government wants to use its majority to override the rules. If there really is a majority for May's deal then, given the moment of national crisis, I don't think the Speaker would even need to think of resigning.
What the ruling does do - and we should be grateful - is make the government think whether it might do something more useful than keep failing with the same proposal and doing nothing else to resolve the matter. It also has the benefit that we will soon know how long the extension offered by the EU is going to be.
Hmm. Doing the same thing several times and expecting a different result is of course......
There seems to be a weird contradiction wherein Leavers seem reluctant to take part in democratic protests or public displays of support in any great numbers, while we're told if their desires are thwarted that the rivers of Leaverstan will be foaming with much blood. Otoh Remainers turn out in their 100s of 1000s, yet the chances of them resorting to violent acts of terrorism are precisely zero whatever the outcome.
Leaverloons are more likely to get violent than Remainaics. I can vouch for that from time spent at College Green. The Remainers down there are essentially eccentrics, but one picks up more than a whiff of something deeply unpleasant if one gets too close to some of the Leavers. And I don't mean just armpit.
“Global laughing stock with trashed reputation”.....
The percentage of overseas students making Britain their first choice for business school has increased since the EU referendum, suggesting that fears about Brexit damaging the sector were overblown...
Some 54 per cent of test takers surveyed by GMAC last December said Brexit had made no impact on the attractiveness of Britain as a place to study, up from 46 per cent in December 2016. Moreover, 71 per cent of UK business schools included in the study reported a year-on-year increase in applications.
The British education system also continues to be well respected among overseas applicants, and Britain has maintained its reputation among MBA students as a great place to launch an international career.
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There is no contradiction between supporting Brexit and being pro-Europe.
I view Brexit as being profoundly outward-looking.
I knew in as much as that sage put it - voting to Remain was voting for a known unknown.
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1107740598453325829
..but an ineptly threatening Loyalist march here :
https://twitter.com/cerijanegray/status/1107926277414178816
I’m sure Mr Hawkins is paraphrasing the final entry...
Is this a serious poll? Or some sort of satire?
Has ComRes reverted to being a non-serious pollster again (ComedyResults) ?
The question: predict the ratio of attendees on Saturday compared to Farage’s Damp Racist Islanders’ March
Place your bets!!
There are at least 26 people there!
Supporting Mansion House and rejecting Chequers is like dating Mary Kate, finding out she's a bit of a diva, and so fetishising Ashley, ignoring her equal divaness.
Funny, we don’t hear from the likes of Mortimer over-analysing Tory poll leads much these days.
I don’t even have to cite Boris Johnson’s tenure as Foreign Secretary.
Serious pollster is an oxymoron
Only a pervert wouldn’t know that.
Magnificent.
Foxy's a remainer I hope his medical skills are better than his namesakes
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1107930087364665345?s=20
She’s reaping what she sowed. She was nasty to people on the way up, now she’s on the way down she’s getting it back with interest.
Just like Gordon Brown.
You've just claimed that you've "only seen George Osborne’s tweet from yesterday".
I expect you didn't mean that.
https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1107932459059027969?s=21
The problem with this is that the act of preparing the vote, and the weeklong pressure leading up to it in the context of EU deadlines, was part of the likelihood of it passing. If something no longer seems possible or active, the coalition for it, painfully patched together by whips, can just as quickly collapse again.
I expect that’s why Mr Glenn posted it....
Con: 285 (first in seats, second in votes)
Lab: 270 (down in votes, up in seats)
SNP: 46
LD: 20
TIG: 7
Plaid: 3
Green: 1
UKIP: 0
(N Ire: 18)
Make a Government out of that little lot...
One on Brexit, one on Scottish Independence.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/19/beto-orourke-may-dazzle-democrats-good-looks-wont-win-white/
"don't tell him Pike"
Pro Leave 40%
A result!
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/434644-biden-weighing-an-early-announcement-of-running-mate-report
https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1107933467038363648?s=21
The percentage of overseas students making Britain their first choice for business school has increased since the EU referendum, suggesting that fears about Brexit damaging the sector were overblown...
Some 54 per cent of test takers surveyed by GMAC last December said Brexit had made no impact on the attractiveness of Britain as a place to study, up from 46 per cent in December 2016. Moreover, 71 per cent of UK business schools included in the study reported a year-on-year increase in applications.
The British education system also continues to be well respected among overseas applicants, and Britain has maintained its reputation among MBA students as a great place to launch an international career.
https://www.ft.com/content/4abbf190-497a-11e9-8b7f-d49067e0f50d
"I have the most progressive record of anybody running for the — anybody who would run," he said."
I'm sure he missed out the word "bigly" in there.....
The name, virtually everywhere I've been, is therefore "Chip butty".
I don't see "butty" on the list; it is therefore horrifically wrong.
A recall petition will open on Tuesday, in which local voters will be asked whether Fiona Onasanya should lose her seat as MP for Peterborough.
https://news.sky.com/story/im-innocent-says-disgraced-mp-fiona-onasanya-as-she-faces-ejection-by-voters-11669484
To anyone who knows someone in Peterborough, remind them about the petition. Their town deserves to be represented in Parliament by an honest man or woman.
House has to elect replacements. More delay.
http://listverse.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/b00004y3oq.02.lzzzzzzz.jpg
Either Con + DUP + LD or Lab +SNP+ PC + LD to get a majority. Old Uncle Vince might be happy.
https://www.botham.co.uk/bakery/large-stottie-bothams.html
What the ruling does do - and we should be grateful - is make the government think whether it might do something more useful than keep failing with the same proposal and doing nothing else to resolve the matter. It also has the benefit that we will soon know how long the extension offered by the EU is going to be.
Edited extra bit:
https://twitter.com/simongerman600/status/1029861553401671680
Or because Brexit hasn’t actually happened yet, depending on your point of view...
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1107935118394642432
Though quite what he doing out & about at that time of the morning.....
In a sea of words over Brexit, the three most unlikely........
https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1107940783703896064
Hmm. Doing the same thing several times and expecting a different result is of course......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMhDQFLwrAA
https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1107942405343449088
EDIT: It's a complicated picture:
https://tinyurl.com/y63zd73v