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I think it is in his mind. He has slowed right down and looks very focused.ydoethur said:
In particular, England need one wicket. But my golden touch seems to have deserted me.DavidL said:
England need wickets. Unbelievably they don't have enough runs.ydoethur said:England are more hopelessly lost than a female intern in the Kennedy White House.
Gayle might even win this win ten overs to spare.
The only real question now is whether Gayle gets 216 or not for a career-best.0 -
And let us not forget Parks and Recreation didn't get really good until the last couple episodes of Season 2, about 30 episodes in.SeanT said:
It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. ButTOPPING said:
tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.SeanT said:
It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.TOPPING said:Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)
I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.
On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.
By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.
Show me to wine, Crixtus.0 -
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Yes! Absolutely right. I advise people to simply skip season 1 .And yet Season 3 and 4 of Parks and Rec are just sublime, they nailed the characters brilliantly, at last.kle4 said:
And let us not forget Parks and Recreation didn't get really good until the last couple episodes of Season 2, about 30 episodes in.SeanT said:
It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. ButTOPPING said:
tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.SeanT said:
It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.TOPPING said:Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)
I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.
On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.
By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.
Show me to wine, Crixtus.
Season 5 (where I am now) is a bit sketchy. Some good moments, but not quite as brilliant....0 -
I'm claiming that one. Game on or too much damage done?DavidL said:
I think it is in his mind. He has slowed right down and looks very focused.ydoethur said:
In particular, England need one wicket. But my golden touch seems to have deserted me.DavidL said:
England need wickets. Unbelievably they don't have enough runs.ydoethur said:England are more hopelessly lost than a female intern in the Kennedy White House.
Gayle might even win this win ten overs to spare.
The only real question now is whether Gayle gets 216 or not for a career-best.0 -
My wife and I love that... both into local gvt also helps...SeanT said:
Yes! Absolutely right. I advise people to simply skip season 1 .And yet Season 3 and 4 of Parks and Rec are just sublime, they nailed the characters brilliantly, at last.kle4 said:
And let us not forget Parks and Recreation didn't get really good until the last couple episodes of Season 2, about 30 episodes in.SeanT said:
It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. ButTOPPING said:
tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.SeanT said:
It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.TOPPING said:Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)
I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.
On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.
By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.
Show me to wine, Crixtus.
Season 5 (where I am now) is a bit sketchy. Some good moments, but not quite as brilliant....0 -
If all the opposition parties support a 'subject to confirmation by a referendum' amendment to the MV, May should let it pass - she is then off the hook.Dadge said:
I suppose this is looking a likely outcome now. This will be Labour’s position, and I can't see how May has the numbers without Labour support.Benpointer said:
May's Deal might be approved by the HoC subject to confirmation in a 2nd Ref (via amendment).nico67 said:Even if May gets her deal through there’s still the matter of the WAIB .
That can be amended so could still run into trouble . One does feel though that even if Mays deal gets defeated it will be by much less than last time and so could limp on when huge pressure will be put on Tory rebels from both sides of the debate .
You can’t get a more staunch Remainer than myself but at this point I want Mays deal to go through because I don’t want a huge rupture with the EU that will sour relations for a long time .
Remainers need to fight for a softer Brexit in the transition period which could still happen . I can’t see another EU vote happening and it’s best to move on at this point.0 -
Maybe I would be, if I'd been brought up there.Casino_Royale said:
Shouldn't you now be a DUP MP, then?Sean_F said:
Most white English are descended from him. Most of us are descended from Muhammed, as well.SeanT said:
Yeah. I'm deffo claiming William the Conq.Benpointer said:
This reminds us of another of the problems when tracing your ancestors: cuckoldry. It is estimated that 1-2% of children are unwittingly raised by fathers who are not their biological fathers. Over 40 generations that makes it more likely than not that the apparent genetic line is not the real one.SeanT said:
I have seen the disputes by these vile heretics. However, lot of historians believe Maud really did father the Peverell boy.another_richard said:
Is this Peverell related to your ancestor:SeanT said:A small break from Brexit into geneaology?
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Peverel
And not wanting to upset you but wiki says that 'there is no evidence of any illegitimate children born to WtC':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror#Family_and_children
https://www.geni.com/people/Ranulph-de-Peverel-of-Hatfield/6000000002134874447
Still, if I were in Sean_T's shoes I'd still be claiming descent from William the Conq.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/06/the-paternity-myth-the-rarity-of-cuckoldry/#.XHbsFC10c_U
Besides, even if Ranulph wasn't born of Maud and William the Bastard (evidence suggests he was), that means my great great great great blah blah.... grandmother, born in 1003, is..
The Countess Mortaigne Herleve Arlette Fitzcourtanneur Fitzrichard (De Falaise), Duchess of Normandy
Which, I aver, is still FAIRLY posh.
https://www.geni.com/people/Countss-Mortaigne-Herleve-Fitzcourtanneur-Fitzrichard-Duchess-of-Normandy/6000000028341829327
I can trace one part of my ancestry to 1689. Lieutenant Tubman (the maiden name of my maternal grandmother) fought at the siege of Derry and the Battle of the Boyne, and got several hundred acres in South Tyrone, in reward.
Tubman, though a Protestant, initially volunteered to fight for King James (many Protestants viewed him as the rightful monarch, despite his religion). But, James' general, Tyrconnell, doubted the loyalty of Protestant soldiers, and fired him. So, he fought for William, instead.
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Game on, I suspect. Still a lot for the WIndies to do.DavidL said:
I'm claiming that one. Game on or too much damage done?DavidL said:
I think it is in his mind. He has slowed right down and looks very focused.ydoethur said:
In particular, England need one wicket. But my golden touch seems to have deserted me.DavidL said:
England need wickets. Unbelievably they don't have enough runs.ydoethur said:England are more hopelessly lost than a female intern in the Kennedy White House.
Gayle might even win this win ten overs to spare.
The only real question now is whether Gayle gets 216 or not for a career-best.0 -
Sounds like nonsense to me, and that someone saw her talking to one of the whips and made an assumption. May is crap, but I don't buy that story.Scott_P said:0 -
I think Ron Swanson might be my favourite TV character from any TV sitcom in the history of TV.notme2 said:
My wife and I love that... both into local gvt also helps...SeanT said:
Yes! Absolutely right. I advise people to simply skip season 1 .And yet Season 3 and 4 of Parks and Rec are just sublime, they nailed the characters brilliantly, at last.kle4 said:
And let us not forget Parks and Recreation didn't get really good until the last couple episodes of Season 2, about 30 episodes in.SeanT said:
It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. ButTOPPING said:
tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.SeanT said:
It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.TOPPING said:Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)
I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.
On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.
By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.
Show me to wine, Crixtus.
Season 5 (where I am now) is a bit sketchy. Some good moments, but not quite as brilliant....0 -
It is worth watching for Tony Shalhoub alone.SeanT said:
It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.TOPPING said:Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)
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WIIIICKKKKKKKKETTTTTTTTT....0
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Unlike many(most) shows, they nailed the ending though.SeanT said:
Yes! Absolutely right. I advise people to simply skip season 1 .And yet Season 3 and 4 of Parks and Rec are just sublime, they nailed the characters brilliantly, at last.kle4 said:
And let us not forget Parks and Recreation didn't get really good until the last couple episodes of Season 2, about 30 episodes in.SeanT said:
It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. ButTOPPING said:
tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.SeanT said:
It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.TOPPING said:Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)
I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.
On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.
By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.
Show me to wine, Crixtus.
Season 5 (where I am now) is a bit sketchy. Some good moments, but not quite as brilliant....0 -
Damage done. Holder to get 100 off 50 and they win with an over to spare.DavidL said:
I'm claiming that one. Game on or too much damage done?DavidL said:
I think it is in his mind. He has slowed right down and looks very focused.ydoethur said:
In particular, England need one wicket. But my golden touch seems to have deserted me.DavidL said:
England need wickets. Unbelievably they don't have enough runs.ydoethur said:England are more hopelessly lost than a female intern in the Kennedy White House.
Gayle might even win this win ten overs to spare.
The only real question now is whether Gayle gets 216 or not for a career-best.0 -
It's an easy joke, but this was my favourite line of his from the show because it is so true to my heartSeanT said:
I think Ron Swanson might be my favourite TV character from any TV sitcom in the history of TV.notme2 said:
My wife and I love that... both into local gvt also helps...SeanT said:
Yes! Absolutely right. I advise people to simply skip season 1 .And yet Season 3 and 4 of Parks and Rec are just sublime, they nailed the characters brilliantly, at last.kle4 said:
And let us not forget Parks and Recreation didn't get really good until the last couple episodes of Season 2, about 30 episodes in.SeanT said:
It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. ButTOPPING said:
tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.SeanT said:
It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.TOPPING said:Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)
I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.
On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.
By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.
Show me to wine, Crixtus.
Season 5 (where I am now) is a bit sketchy. Some good moments, but not quite as brilliant....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhS1fN_wwVw0 -
120 off last15 overs in modern ODI is standard. Still WIs game to lose.-1
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Ok you can have that one.ydoethur said:
Damage done. Holder to get 100 off 50 and they win with an over to spare.DavidL said:
I'm claiming that one. Game on or too much damage done?DavidL said:
I think it is in his mind. He has slowed right down and looks very focused.ydoethur said:
In particular, England need one wicket. But my golden touch seems to have deserted me.DavidL said:
England need wickets. Unbelievably they don't have enough runs.ydoethur said:England are more hopelessly lost than a female intern in the Kennedy White House.
Gayle might even win this win ten overs to spare.
The only real question now is whether Gayle gets 216 or not for a career-best.0 -
5 down though - doable, but not as easy.FrancisUrquhart said:120 off 15 overs in modern ODI is standard. Still WIs game to lose.
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Well, I'm definitely claiming that one!0
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Make that 4 wickets.kle4 said:
5 down though - doable, but not as easy.FrancisUrquhart said:120 off 15 overs in modern ODI is standard. Still WIs game to lose.
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You've sold it I'll check it out.SeanT said:
It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. ButTOPPING said:
tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.SeanT said:
It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.TOPPING said:Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)
I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.
On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.
By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.
Show me to wine, Crixtus.0 -
Oh god, Joe Rogan has got Alex Jones on again....0
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I escorted my parents to one of those Brexit rallies...'no deal, no problem'.Scott_P said:The Brexiteers still think they are winning
https://twitter.com/mariacaulfield/status/1100852555113000961
There was absolutely no doubt in the collective hive mind that we would be leaving without a hitch premised on the ref result and nothing else. The ERG seem to have suspended disbelief in a similar fashion.
One thing I would say about the rally was Farage was outstanding in his delivery, not so much content, but the oratory was superb.
Davis, Hoey etc were wallflowers in comparison.0 -
Seriously close now. Quite hard for lower order batsmen to keep that rate up for long enough. Still need to get wickets though, to keep the rate down.kle4 said:
5 down though - doable, but not as easy.FrancisUrquhart said:120 off 15 overs in modern ODI is standard. Still WIs game to lose.
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Holder is outydoethur said:
Damage done. Holder to get 100 off 50 and they win with an over to spare.DavidL said:
I'm claiming that one. Game on or too much damage done?DavidL said:
I think it is in his mind. He has slowed right down and looks very focused.ydoethur said:
In particular, England need one wicket. But my golden touch seems to have deserted me.DavidL said:
England need wickets. Unbelievably they don't have enough runs.ydoethur said:England are more hopelessly lost than a female intern in the Kennedy White House.
Gayle might even win this win ten overs to spare.
The only real question now is whether Gayle gets 216 or not for a career-best.0 -
Nah, this Windies lower order is awesome. Braithwiate to get a hundred off 40 balls and win with two overs to spare.DavidL said:
Seriously close now. Quite hard for lower order batsmen to keep that rate up for long enough. Still need to get wickets though, to keep the rate down.kle4 said:
5 down though - doable, but not as easy.FrancisUrquhart said:120 off 15 overs in modern ODI is standard. Still WIs game to lose.
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Must be one of them who's been stumping up £1000s on BFE backing a no deal exit on 29/3. Hopefully free money for everyone else. Now @ 1.13 (no 'no deal' exit on 29/3)SunnyJim said:
I escorted my parents to one of those Brexit rallies...'no deal, no problem'.Scott_P said:The Brexiteers still think they are winning
https://twitter.com/mariacaulfield/status/1100852555113000961
There was absolutely no doubt in the collective hive mind that we would be leaving without a hitch premised on the ref result and nothing else. The ERG seem to have suspended disbelief in a similar fashion.
One thing I would say about the rally was Farage was outstanding in his delivery, not so much content, but the oratory was superb.
Davis, Hoey etc were wallflowers in comparison.0 -
I do tend to mention a GE as a possibility if I'm considering what might happen if Mrs May ends up being unable to get her Brexit deal through.Big_G_NorthWales said:Do you ever post without a GE in it?
Because ... it has to be a possibility.
Don't you think?0 -
Brathwaite is definitely the danger man here. Get him and it really is game on.ydoethur said:
Nah, this Windies lower order is awesome. Braithwiate to get a hundred off 40 balls and win with two overs to spare.DavidL said:
Seriously close now. Quite hard for lower order batsmen to keep that rate up for long enough. Still need to get wickets though, to keep the rate down.kle4 said:
5 down though - doable, but not as easy.FrancisUrquhart said:120 off 15 overs in modern ODI is standard. Still WIs game to lose.
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Is somebody suggesting that the West Indies bat deep?0
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Superb oratory has led to dark times in the past. Just saying.SunnyJim said:
I escorted my parents to one of those Brexit rallies...'no deal, no problem'.Scott_P said:The Brexiteers still think they are winning
https://twitter.com/mariacaulfield/status/1100852555113000961
There was absolutely no doubt in the collective hive mind that we would be leaving without a hitch premised on the ref result and nothing else. The ERG seem to have suspended disbelief in a similar fashion.
One thing I would say about the rally was Farage was outstanding in his delivery, not so much content, but the oratory was superb.
Davis, Hoey etc were wallflowers in comparison.0 -
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They bat as deep as antisemitism in the Labour Party. And that's pretty fecking deep.FrancisUrquhart said:Is somebody suggesting that the West Indies bat deep?
They're going to win by three wickets.0 -
Not while Rashid is bowling.ydoethur said:
They bat as deep as antisemitism in the Labour Party. And that's pretty fecking deep.FrancisUrquhart said:Is somebody suggesting that the West Indies bat deep?
They're going to win by three wickets.0 -
You mean, they're going to win by four wickets as Rashid is bowling pies that wouldn't get out a club cricketer?Nigelb said:
Not while Rashid is bowling.ydoethur said:
They bat as deep as antisemitism in the Labour Party. And that's pretty fecking deep.FrancisUrquhart said:Is somebody suggesting that the West Indies bat deep?
They're going to win by three wickets.
*looks expectantly at Cricinfo*0 -
Since TIG and their relationship with the Lib Dems I believe a GE before brexit is very unlikelykinabalu said:
I do tend to mention a GE as a possibility if I'm considering what might happen if Mrs May ends up being unable to get her Brexit deal through.Big_G_NorthWales said:Do you ever post without a GE in it?
Because ... it has to be a possibility.
Don't you think?
If TM deal goes through a GE in the Autumn may be possible but nothing can be stated with certainty0 -
Arrogance does not help their causeScott_P said:0 -
The big interest if Mays deal gets voted down and then we see the no deal vote what the government does .
You’d think a free vote would be the way to go. If they whipped against removing no deal they’d see resignations and things could really kick off . If they whip to remove no deal they’d see more problems.
I suppose the key interest would be what May voted for . Can she avoid voting!0 -
A possibly apocryphal tale I heard of Northern Irish politics in the 60s.Scott_P said:
Obviously the Catholics never voted with the Protestants. One time, the Catholics all deliberately all voted the wrong way (nominally with the government), thus causing a motion to fail because all the Protestants just automatically voted against the Catholics.0 -
The short term win of over-turning the result will leave us much diminished as a democracy.Scott_P said:
Not only will we unleash what is, at the moment, a political cancer on our extremes there will also be the issue of the EU having a permanently recalcitrant member holding the rest of the continent back from moving in the direction they want to go.
Let the EU move forward as it wants to unencumbered with a nation who clearly holds little love for the project.
And in the meantime remainers can marshal their resources and arguments to make a positive case for rejoining, without reservation, and look to take the UK back in to the heart of the EU in an honest, rather than a subversive, way.0 -
The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA0 -
If mrs May wants GE she will be able to get one . The Opposition will not veto the opportunity and the Tory party will assist if they see a chance to demolish labour as the brexit betrayersBig_G_NorthWales said:
Since TIG and their relationship with the Lib Dems I believe a GE before brexit is very unlikelykinabalu said:
I do tend to mention a GE as a possibility if I'm considering what might happen if Mrs May ends up being unable to get her Brexit deal through.Big_G_NorthWales said:Do you ever post without a GE in it?
Because ... it has to be a possibility.
Don't you think?
If TM deal goes through a GE in the Autumn may be possible but nothing can be stated with certainty0 -
Corbyn is as tin eared, dishonest and irascible as Brown. However:The_Taxman said:The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA
1) He is not PM, so has less excuse for such behaviour;
2) Brown wasn't quite such an unabashed cronyist. He sacked Damian Macbride and Derek Draper. Can anyone see Corbyn sacking Milne?
So I'd give it to the Very Naughty Boy.0 -
Skint Britain on 4 at the moment on UC in Hartlepool
Compelling viewing, but hard to see how Brexit is going to lead them to the sunlight uplands.0 -
Post TIG I think the only risk of an early election is that defections from both big parties step up and the leadership's decide to run an early election to kill off the defectionsBig_G_NorthWales said:
Since TIG and their relationship with the Lib Dems I believe a GE before brexit is very unlikelykinabalu said:
I do tend to mention a GE as a possibility if I'm considering what might happen if Mrs May ends up being unable to get her Brexit deal through.Big_G_NorthWales said:Do you ever post without a GE in it?
Because ... it has to be a possibility.
Don't you think?
If TM deal goes through a GE in the Autumn may be possible but nothing can be stated with certainty0 -
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Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.
If Labour TIGs had reached 20+ I could actually see (if I squint a bit) the logic for May in calling a GE.
At the moment though, I think not.0 -
I would probably agree with you. I always found Brown easy to hate but given the current Labour leader, Brown whilst terrible does not seem as bad and Brown was certainty not traitorous when it came to national security unlike Corbyn!ydoethur said:
Corbyn is as tin eared, dishonest and irascible as Brown. However:The_Taxman said:The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA
1) He is not PM, so has less excuse for such behaviour;
2) Brown wasn't quite such an unabashed cronyist. He sacked Damian Macbride and Derek Draper. Can anyone see Corbyn sacking Milne?
So I'd give it to the Very Naughty Boy.0 -
Brown was mad but not stupid. So 1-0 to him.The_Taxman said:The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA0 -
So if this Parliament lasts about 18 months more, they'll be back where they started?Scott_P said:0 -
Dammit, my touch has gone, Braithwaite really is powering Windies to a sensational win.0
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Bloody hell that was a massive hit.0
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Brown was unsuited to the PM role, but Corbyn is unsuited to any kind of proper job. He'd be out of his depth as a shift supervisor in Tesco.The_Taxman said:The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?
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You just jinxed us.ydoethur said:
You mean, they're going to win by four wickets as Rashid is bowling pies that wouldn't get out a club cricketer?Nigelb said:
Not while Rashid is bowling.ydoethur said:
They bat as deep as antisemitism in the Labour Party. And that's pretty fecking deep.FrancisUrquhart said:Is somebody suggesting that the West Indies bat deep?
They're going to win by three wickets.
*looks expectantly at Cricinfo*
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Rashid is bowling utter shit.0
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That seems quite disparaging. For a start, it implies he might not be out of his depth working on a shift at Tesco as long as he wasn't the supervisor. So it's not fair to supermarket workers.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Brown was unsuited to the PM role, but Corbyn is unsuited to any kind of proper job. He'd be out of his depth as a shift supervisor in Tesco.The_Taxman said:The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?
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Brathwaite is a phenomenally strong hitter of a cricket ball.FrancisUrquhart said:Bloody hell that was a massive hit.
Brought Wood back to get him.0 -
I'm not sure even Sydney Barnes in his pomp could win it for England from here.DavidL said:
Brathwaite is a phenomenally strong hitter of a cricket ball.FrancisUrquhart said:Bloody hell that was a massive hit.
Brought Wood back to get him.
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I think Brown's problem was that he is one of nature's lieutenants. Excellent in a supporting rôle but just not suited for being in a buck-stops-here job.DavidL said:
Brown was mad but not stupid. So 1-0 to him.The_Taxman said:The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?
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oh FFS...2 extra runs off that over from piss poor fielding.0
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Most of the Labour TIGs represent safe Labour seats though, only Penistone is marginal with a majority of 1,322. So in a GE I could see TIG being wiped out with little effort from the Labour party, meaning Labour could go after Tory held seats in the marginals.SunnyJim said:Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.
If Labour TIGs had reached 20+ I could actually see (if I squint a bit) the logic for May in calling a GE.
At the moment though, I think not.
The marginals might be a different prospect for TIG but which ones do they choose and how are they going to decide the good prospects from the less fertile ground? It does have to be remembered that in 1983 the SDP had been going for a couple of years plus they had an electoral alliance with the Liberals. I should not give it as given the Tories would make gains in a snap election although there is nothing to stop them trying!0 -
The economic 'cancer' and social shock and dislocation of no-deal is quite capable of unleashing extremes like postwar Britain has never seen.SunnyJim said:
The short term win of over-turning the result will leave us much diminished as a democracy.Scott_P said:
Not only will we unleash what is, at the moment, a political cancer on our extremes there will also be the issue of the EU having a permanently recalcitrant member holding the rest of the continent back from moving in the direction they want to go.
Let the EU move forward as it wants to unencumbered with a nation who clearly holds little love for the project.
And in the meantime remainers can marshal their resources and arguments to make a positive case for rejoining, without reservation, and look to take the UK back in to the heart of the EU in an honest, rather than a subversive, way.
Meanwhile, there's little that could be more subversive than even the outer possibility - thoroughly uninvestigated by the May government, ofcourse - of both Russian and American interference in the most momentous constitutional decision in Britain since 1945.0 -
Well that was one of his problems.rpjs said:
I think Brown's problem was that he is one of nature's lieutenants. Excellent in a supporting rôle but just not suited for being in a buck-stops-here job.DavidL said:
Brown was mad but not stupid. So 1-0 to him.The_Taxman said:The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?
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It's a good job there's nobody like that in a position of power right now. We'd be screwed.rpjs said:
I think Brown's problem was that he is one of nature's lieutenants. Excellent in a supporting rôle but just not suited for being in a buck-stops-here job.DavidL said:
Brown was mad but not stupid. So 1-0 to him.The_Taxman said:The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA
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Absolutely. The ones who remain either don't think anti-semtism is a problem or they think it is one they can still resolve within the party, and the Brexit reason for leaving has been very much reduced, why on earth would more quit the whip?SunnyJim said:Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.
But good on the Tiggers for taking the plunge and having an impact, here's hoping they bag at least a few more defections as things will remain unsettled.0 -
Tolerate the first 4 or 5 crappy, schlocky episodes. It then picks up. Dramatically. As they say.TOPPING said:
You've sold it I'll check it out.SeanT said:
It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. ButTOPPING said:
tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.SeanT said:
It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.TOPPING said:Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)
I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.
On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.
By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.
Show me to wine, Crixtus.0 -
Very poor fielding from Root. This is so tight.0
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That would be no contest.ydoethur said:
I'm not sure even Sydney Barnes in his pomp could win it for England from here.DavidL said:
Brathwaite is a phenomenally strong hitter of a cricket ball.FrancisUrquhart said:Bloody hell that was a massive hit.
Brought Wood back to get him.
As it is, delicately poised.
....Now I just jinxed us.
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"Long-Read
The chilling legacy of the Rushdie affair
The fatwa against The Satanic Verses author marked the beginning of an intolerant era."
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/02/14/the-chilling-legacy-of-the-rushdie-affair/0 -
Oh FFS...more piss poor fielding...Have the Indian bookmakers had a word?0
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I'm afraid Mrs Maisel might be a casualty.SeanT said:
Tolerate the first 4 or 5 crappy, schlocky episodes. It then picks up. Dramatically. As they say.TOPPING said:
You've sold it I'll check it out.SeanT said:
It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. ButTOPPING said:
tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.SeanT said:
It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.TOPPING said:Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)
I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.
On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.
By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.
Show me to wine, Crixtus.0 -
12 from last 3 balls....very much WIs to lose now.0
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Awww bless! My fellow PBers getting all passionate about a crappy "sport" like cricketFrancisUrquhart said:Oh FFS...more piss poor fielding...Have the Indian bookmakers had a word?
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The marginals aren't marginal between Labour and TIG or between the Conservatives and TIG but between Labour and the Conservatives.The_Taxman said:
Most of the Labour TIGs represent safe Labour seats though, only Penistone is marginal with a majority of 1,322. So in a GE I could see TIG being wiped out with little effort from the Labour party, meaning Labour could go after Tory held seats in the marginals.SunnyJim said:Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.
If Labour TIGs had reached 20+ I could actually see (if I squint a bit) the logic for May in calling a GE.
At the moment though, I think not.
The marginals might be a different prospect for TIG but which ones do they choose and how are they going to decide the good prospects from the less fertile ground? It does have to be remembered that in 1983 the SDP had been going for a couple of years plus they had an electoral alliance with the Liberals. I should not give it as given the Tories would make gains in a snap election although there is nothing to stop them trying!
Why anyone might think that the splitters could do well in Lab-Con marginals where the splitters don't even have any personal vote is a mystery.0 -
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Well if you can make it a three-way marginal then 34% could be enough to win the seat, but in a safe seat you might need closer to 50% to win it.another_richard said:
The marginals aren't marginal between Labour and TIG or between the Conservatives and TIG but between Labour and the Conservatives.The_Taxman said:
Most of the Labour TIGs represent safe Labour seats though, only Penistone is marginal with a majority of 1,322. So in a GE I could see TIG being wiped out with little effort from the Labour party, meaning Labour could go after Tory held seats in the marginals.SunnyJim said:Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.
If Labour TIGs had reached 20+ I could actually see (if I squint a bit) the logic for May in calling a GE.
At the moment though, I think not.
The marginals might be a different prospect for TIG but which ones do they choose and how are they going to decide the good prospects from the less fertile ground? It does have to be remembered that in 1983 the SDP had been going for a couple of years plus they had an electoral alliance with the Liberals. I should not give it as given the Tories would make gains in a snap election although there is nothing to stop them trying!
Why anyone might think that the splitters could do well in Lab-Con marginals where the splitters don't even have any personal vote is a mystery.0 -
Think of Spartacus not as a historical drama but as sci-fi on a prison planet called Capua inhabited by psychopathic actors.TOPPING said:
I'm afraid Mrs Maisel might be a casualty.SeanT said:
Tolerate the first 4 or 5 crappy, schlocky episodes. It then picks up. Dramatically. As they say.TOPPING said:
You've sold it I'll check it out.SeanT said:
It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. ButTOPPING said:
tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.SeanT said:
It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.TOPPING said:Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)
I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.
On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.
By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.
Show me to wine, Crixtus.
It then becomes great fun.0 -
DROPPPPPPEDDDD....never going to win the WC like this.0
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Absolutely. I apologise unreservedly to all hardworking retail employees and withdraw that assertion.ydoethur said:
That seems quite disparaging. For a start, it implies he might not be out of his depth working on a shift at Tesco as long as he wasn't the supervisor. So it's not fair to supermarket workers.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Brown was unsuited to the PM role, but Corbyn is unsuited to any kind of proper job. He'd be out of his depth as a shift supervisor in Tesco.The_Taxman said:The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA
(Didn't he fail to graduate from a ropey HE institution in some dossers degree?)0 -
If.OblitusSumMe said:
Well if you can make it a three-way marginal then 34% could be enough to win the seat, but in a safe seat you might need closer to 50% to win it.another_richard said:
The marginals aren't marginal between Labour and TIG or between the Conservatives and TIG but between Labour and the Conservatives.The_Taxman said:
Most of the Labour TIGs represent safe Labour seats though, only Penistone is marginal with a majority of 1,322. So in a GE I could see TIG being wiped out with little effort from the Labour party, meaning Labour could go after Tory held seats in the marginals.SunnyJim said:Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.
If Labour TIGs had reached 20+ I could actually see (if I squint a bit) the logic for May in calling a GE.
At the moment though, I think not.
The marginals might be a different prospect for TIG but which ones do they choose and how are they going to decide the good prospects from the less fertile ground? It does have to be remembered that in 1983 the SDP had been going for a couple of years plus they had an electoral alliance with the Liberals. I should not give it as given the Tories would make gains in a snap election although there is nothing to stop them trying!
Why anyone might think that the splitters could do well in Lab-Con marginals where the splitters don't even have any personal vote is a mystery.
As we know what usually happens is that minor parties get squeezed in a marginal.0 -
WOW....Just Wow....2 Wickets in 2 balls....I hope the WIs bat deep ;-)0
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Two catches in two balls. Good jinxing Urquhart.FrancisUrquhart said:DROPPPPPPEDDDD....never going to win the WC like this.
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A turnaround that will only be topped when May gets her deal through parliament.FrancisUrquhart said:WOW....Just Wow....2 Wickets in 2 balls....I hope the WIs bat deep ;-)
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What a game - 3 wickets in 4 ballsFrancisUrquhart said:WOW....Just Wow....2 Wickets in 2 balls....I hope the WIs bat deep ;-)
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Takes a bow.Drutt said:
Two catches in two balls. Good jinxing Urquhart.FrancisUrquhart said:DROPPPPPPEDDDD....never going to win the WC like this.
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I saw England have a tie with India with 300 odd each at Lords. That was a pretty good ODI. But this has been phenomenal.FrancisUrquhart said:WOW....Just Wow....2 Wickets in 2 balls.
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Three catches in four balls.Drutt said:
Two catches in two balls. Good jinxing Urquhart.FrancisUrquhart said:DROPPPPPPEDDDD....never going to win the WC like this.
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Yes, I don't know that I think the strategy would be successful, but I think that it's the theory behind it.another_richard said:
If.OblitusSumMe said:
Well if you can make it a three-way marginal then 34% could be enough to win the seat, but in a safe seat you might need closer to 50% to win it.another_richard said:
The marginals aren't marginal between Labour and TIG or between the Conservatives and TIG but between Labour and the Conservatives.The_Taxman said:
Most of the Labour TIGs represent safe Labour seats though, only Penistone is marginal with a majority of 1,322. So in a GE I could see TIG being wiped out with little effort from the Labour party, meaning Labour could go after Tory held seats in the marginals.SunnyJim said:Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.
If Labour TIGs had reached 20+ I could actually see (if I squint a bit) the logic for May in calling a GE.
At the moment though, I think not.
The marginals might be a different prospect for TIG but which ones do they choose and how are they going to decide the good prospects from the less fertile ground? It does have to be remembered that in 1983 the SDP had been going for a couple of years plus they had an electoral alliance with the Liberals. I should not give it as given the Tories would make gains in a snap election although there is nothing to stop them trying!
Why anyone might think that the splitters could do well in Lab-Con marginals where the splitters don't even have any personal vote is a mystery.
As we know what usually happens is that minor parties get squeezed in a marginal.0 -
Always said that Rashid is a great bowler and just been really unlucky today ;-) ...looks to see if he can still delete a post from a few minutes ago.Big_G_NorthWales said:
What a game - 3 wickets in 4 ballsFrancisUrquhart said:WOW....Just Wow....2 Wickets in 2 balls....I hope the WIs bat deep ;-)
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England win - Amazing0
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Bloody hell. What an ending. Rashid.0
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Unless it reduces the price of heroin or explains to unemployed people they need to look for work and attend job centre interviews to avoid been sanctioned, none whatsoever.Foxy said:Skint Britain on 4 at the moment on UC in Hartlepool
Compelling viewing, but hard to see how Brexit is going to lead them to the sunlight uplands.0 -
Did I read down thread that Liverpool were going to struggle tonight?0
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A faster turn around in that game than Labour's U-Turn decision to suspend Williamson....0
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Sure somebody was lauding the 12-1 for the Watford win.....DavidL said:Did I read down thread that Liverpool were going to struggle tonight?
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This post hasn’t aged well.ydoethur said:
You mean, they're going to win by four wickets as Rashid is bowling pies that wouldn't get out a club cricketer?Nigelb said:
Not while Rashid is bowling.ydoethur said:
They bat as deep as antisemitism in the Labour Party. And that's pretty fecking deep.FrancisUrquhart said:Is somebody suggesting that the West Indies bat deep?
They're going to win by three wickets.
*looks expectantly at Cricinfo*
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