Alternatively, EU cuts us some slack while they allow an opportunity for the sane to take over the process? Certainly, hope so …
Definitely agree that her deal won't pass - no indications from the ERG that they're going to shift position.
TMs deal will pass. It isn't even March yet. Long way to go.
Can't see it. 230 is a mountain to climb. Is she expecting to get votes from Labour MPs? Then maybe she should be talking to them instead of to Barnier.
3. She doesn’t have the balls to revoke Article 50 or to call for a new referendum - which are, IMO, the only sensible options available to us now.
So it will be a No Deal exit. The consequences will be awful. Our relations with our European neighbours will be ruined for years
Theresa May's Brexit policy: an executive summary
We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th ... (repeated five million times) ... We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving if and when the House of Commons says so
Theresa May is obviously only interested in one thing: whatever keeps Theresa May in power for another five minutes. She is therefore capable of anything - especially something, such as Revocation, which (if I understand correctly) is entirely within her power to implement. The likelihood of this outcome shouldn't be underestimated.
The impressive thing is she never ever shifts her position but is still being forced backwards incrementally.
The political equivalent of putting the heavy plinth on wheels and rolling it back a few feet through sheer weight of numbers.
3. She doesn’t have the balls to revoke Article 50 or to call for a new referendum - which are, IMO, the only sensible options available to us now.
So it will be a No Deal exit. The consequences will be awful. Our relations with our European neighbours will be ruined for years
Theresa May's Brexit policy: an executive summary
We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th ... (repeated five million times) ... We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving if and when the House of Commons says so
Theresa May is obviously only interested in one thing: whatever keeps Theresa May in power for another five minutes. She is therefore capable of anything - especially something, such as Revocation, which (if I understand correctly) is entirely within her power to implement. The likelihood of this outcome shouldn't be underestimated.
Surely a long extension suits her better? No-one except Boris wants the job until Brexit is done, one way or the other. And no-one apart from Boris wants him in charge meanwhile.
A long extension is Plan B, and it makes a lot of sense. In many ways it is the WA by default, only being in pretending to be out rather than out pretending to be in.
Sadly there is no shortage of stories: Bob Blackman’s sharing of a tweet by the far-right activist Tommy Robinson, or his membership of anti-Muslim Facebook groups; the Conservative councillor who shared an article calling Muslims “parasites”; the local council candidate who advocated repatriation. And the blatantly, deliberately Islamophobic mayoral campaign against Sadiq Khan in London. Party members have been calling radio phone-ins to speak about their experiences, but are too afraid to give their names; others have confided in me but daren’t speak up in public as doing so would “finish them politically”. These include the dedicated volunteers who we convinced the party had changed. If we don’t fix our latest bigotry blindspot, they will abandon us – and a coming generation will not see the party as a space for them. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/04/inquiry-tory-islamophobia
This was written by someone called Sayeeda Warsi. I don't know who she is, but she sounds a bit foreign to me.
If your first instinct is to defend someone accused of anti-semitism, what does that say about you? If your response to one of your MPs bullied for being Jewish is not to speak to her at all, what does that say about you?
Corbyn comes across as a deeply unpleasant and horrible person.
He's an interesting person to contemplate as on the surface he does come across generally as personable, polite and genial. But even if you are someone who thinks he is great, for sake of argument, there is a hard edge to him at times. A little snap here, some willful blindness there, a failure to act there. It adds up.
Being as charitable as I can be, I don't doubt Corbyn would not think of himself as instinctively defending someone accused of anti-semitism. But even if we assume that I do think he takes the normal political behaviour of instinctively defending a political ally to a severe extreme.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Not all surely Malc !!!
I am sure there are a few like you G , I was joking.
After the next election, once he's been elevated to the Lords having lost his HoC seat?
It is surely worth the Tories refusing to stand in Derby North -- Chris Williamson is much more effective in ensuring a Tory Victory in a General Election than Another Tory Standard Numpty would be as Derby North MP.
If your first instinct is to defend someone accused of anti-semitism, what does that say about you? If your response to one of your MPs bullied for being Jewish is not to speak to her at all, what does that say about you?
Corbyn comes across as a deeply unpleasant and horrible person.
He's an interesting person to contemplate as on the surface he does come across generally as personable, polite and genial. But even if you are someone who thinks he is great, for sake of argument, there is a hard edge to him at times. A little snap here, some willful blindness there, a failure to act there. It adds up.
Being as charitable as I can be, I don't doubt Corbyn would not think of himself as instinctively defending someone accused of anti-semitism. But even if we assume that I do think he takes the normal political behaviour of instinctively defending a political ally to a severe extreme.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Not all surely Malc !!!
I am sure there are a few like you G , I was joking.
3. She doesn’t have the balls to revoke Article 50 or to call for a new referendum - which are, IMO, the only sensible options available to us now.
So it will be a No Deal exit. The consequences will be awful. Our relations with our European neighbours will be ruined for years
Theresa May's Brexit policy: an executive summary
We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th ... (repeated five million times) ... We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving on March 29th We are leaving if and when the House of Commons says so
Theresa May is obviously only interested in one thing: whatever keeps Theresa May in power for another five minutes. She is therefore capable of anything - especially something, such as Revocation, which (if I understand correctly) is entirely within her power to implement. The likelihood of this outcome shouldn't be underestimated.
The impressive thing is she never ever shifts her position but is still being forced backwards incrementally.
The political equivalent of putting the heavy plinth on wheels and rolling it back a few feet through sheer weight of numbers.
We'll get down to the last few days of March with the only possible options being no deal or revoke. And revoke it will be. Probably with some sort of fig leaf that everyone will go away and put their thinking caps on to come up with a practical, this-time-it'll-work-honest, plan for Brexit which, once agreed, will result in a re-invocation of A50.
Except of course that will never happen, and ultimately we'll just all agree to never speak of this again.
Revoke can safely be put in the category labelled Impossible. As can No Deal. As can lengthy can-kicking. Only one thing left after that for now, and that's tough enough but not nearly as tough as the others.
Time for some predictions from me, which you can all laugh at in due course.
1. Mrs May does not have the votes for her deal, even with some tweaking and helpful clarifications from the EU. 2. The EU won’t grant a short extension for no purpose. 3. She doesn’t have the balls to revoke Article 50 or to call for a new referendum - which are, IMO, the only sensible options available to us now.
So it will be a No Deal exit. The consequences will be awful. Our relations with our European neighbours will be ruined for years
Sounds most likely outcome to me. These people are crazy.
The problem with this theory is that if we set sail for No Deal, May's govt will collapse. She could do a Corbyn and replace the rebels, but that won't help her - they'll probably use the nuclear option and force a general election if she doesn't revoke A50.
If your first instinct is to defend someone accused of anti-semitism, what does that say about you? If your response to one of your MPs bullied for being Jewish is not to speak to her at all, what does that say about you?
Corbyn comes across as a deeply unpleasant and horrible person.
He's an interesting person to contemplate as on the surface he does come across generally as personable, polite and genial. But even if you are someone who thinks he is great, for sake of argument, there is a hard edge to him at times. A little snap here, some willful blindness there, a failure to act there. It adds up.
Being as charitable as I can be, I don't doubt Corbyn would not think of himself as instinctively defending someone accused of anti-semitism. But even if we assume that I do think he takes the normal political behaviour of instinctively defending a political ally to a severe extreme.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Quick summary of Cohens testimony I don't have evidence of anything but here is some tasty insinuation and hearsay, please can I go to jail for less time? Orange man is bad, I'm just a patsy. Blah blah blah
It would be nice if the vote is next week - I am on a cruise for two weeks from 12th March, with very limited internet access. I can't bear the thought of missing the denouement after following this soggy drama for three years!
May wants to avoid any responsibility for any decisions so will be happy to have MPs take the flak from the Brexit Death Cult voter group wanting a no deal .
If your first instinct is to defend someone accused of anti-semitism, what does that say about you? If your response to one of your MPs bullied for being Jewish is not to speak to her at all, what does that say about you?
Corbyn comes across as a deeply unpleasant and horrible person.
He's an interesting person to contemplate as on the surface he does come across generally as personable, polite and genial. But even if you are someone who thinks he is great, for sake of argument, there is a hard edge to him at times. A little snap here, some willful blindness there, a failure to act there. It adds up.
Being as charitable as I can be, I don't doubt Corbyn would not think of himself as instinctively defending someone accused of anti-semitism. But even if we assume that I do think he takes the normal political behaviour of instinctively defending a political ally to a severe extreme.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
The EU's priority in all of this is to protect the remaining 27 members and demonstrate that the EU is a club worth being a part of, and part of that is not being blamed for destabilising the European economy by causing a no deal rupture. Trying to force a two year extension on the UK would risk that rupture, because it would be like lobbing a grenade into UK politics. A three month extension is much more likely: it gives more time for UK politicians to agree a way forward and at the least gives both sides more time to prepare for no deal in June. The EU really doesn't want the UK to participate in the elections, and they have other issues they want to turn to in July. So I don't accept the premise of the question. If it did happen, the UK's only reasonable courses of action would be to accept or to go back and pass the deal - in which case the EU would certainly accept a short delay for implementation. I think May would use the offer of a 2 year delay as a final threat to the ERG to pressure them to agree the deal, and she'd accept the 2 year delay if that failed. But she might not survive that.
From what I am reading on Facebook, the suspension of Williamson might just be the final straw that unleashes full blown civil war in the Labour Party
According to utter fucking wazzocks unless you support crash Brexit, the Divinity of JC, and think a global Jewish conspiracy takes Netanyahu blood money to brainwash sheeple in the MSM then you must be a Tory.
I've just read that as the Chair of the Tribune Group signed the letter demanding the removal of Williamson then that group isn't left wing. It's anti Corbyn. Obviously. And therefore Tory.
Tribune. Not left wing. These entryist fuck have no clue what they are talking about
If your first instinct is to defend someone accused of anti-semitism, what does that say about you? If your response to one of your MPs bullied for being Jewish is not to speak to her at all, what does that say about you?
Corbyn comes across as a deeply unpleasant and horrible person.
He's an interesting person to contemplate as on the surface he does come across generally as personable, polite and genial. But even if you are someone who thinks he is great, for sake of argument, there is a hard edge to him at times. A little snap here, some willful blindness there, a failure to act there. It adds up.
Being as charitable as I can be, I don't doubt Corbyn would not think of himself as instinctively defending someone accused of anti-semitism. But even if we assume that I do think he takes the normal political behaviour of instinctively defending a political ally to a severe extreme.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less alcohol, more exercise, weight loss and, probably, an operation to remove my gall bladder. I thought the whole upside of being a Tory was complete self indulgence. It certainly isn't the pleasure of trying to support this utterly inept government.
If your first instinct is to defend someone accused of anti-semitism, what does that say about you? If your response to one of your MPs bullied for being Jewish is not to speak to her at all, what does that say about you?
Corbyn comes across as a deeply unpleasant and horrible person.
He's an interesting person to contemplate as on the surface he does come across generally as personable, polite and genial. But even if you are someone who thinks he is great, for sake of argument, there is a hard edge to him at times. A little snap here, some willful blindness there, a failure to act there. It adds up.
Being as charitable as I can be, I don't doubt Corbyn would not think of himself as instinctively defending someone accused of anti-semitism. But even if we assume that I do think he takes the normal political behaviour of instinctively defending a political ally to a severe extreme.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less alcohol, more exercise, weight loss and, probably, an operation to remove my gall bladder. I thought the whole upside of being a Tory was complete self indulgence. It certainly isn't the pleasure of trying to support this utterly inept government.
Why is roast lamb bad for you? It is divine. We eat little else in Cumbria........
' Crossrail 2 is set to cost over £40bn, the Mayor of London has revealed in a budget document published earlier this week.
The £41.3bn estimate for the proposed north to south London line is higher than the Greater London Authority's widely cited £30bn budget, which is based on 2014 prices.
But the real cost is set to be much higher as it estimates the actual construction cost of the project.
In his final budget for 2019-2020, London mayor Sadiq Khan has put aside £10.4bn for the project between 2023 and 2028, followed by £18.4bn between 2029 and 2033 and £12.5bn from 2033 to 2038. '
If your first instinct is to defend someone accused of anti-semitism, what does that say about you? If your response to one of your MPs bullied for being Jewish is not to speak to her at all, what does that say about you?
Corbyn comes across as a deeply unpleasant and horrible person.
He's an interesting person to contemplate as on the surface he does come across generally as personable, polite and genial. But even if you are someone who thinks he is great, for sake of argument, there is a hard edge to him at times. A little snap here, some willful blindness there, a failure to act there. It adds up.
Being as charitable as I can be, I don't doubt Corbyn would not think of himself as instinctively defending someone accused of anti-semitism. But even if we assume that I do think he takes the normal political behaviour of instinctively defending a political ally to a severe extreme.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less alcohol, more exercise, weight loss and, probably, an operation to remove my gall bladder. I thought the whole upside of being a Tory was complete self indulgence. It certainly isn't the pleasure of trying to support this utterly inept government.
Why is roast lamb bad for you? It is divine. We eat little else in Cumbria........
Too fatty and upsets the gall bladder apparently. It was my favourite too. I tried it once since the new year and it was painful, if not nearly as bad as the first episode.
From what I am reading on Facebook, the suspension of Williamson might just be the final straw that unleashes full blown civil war in the Labour Party
According to utter fucking wazzocks unless you support crash Brexit, the Divinity of JC, and think a global Jewish conspiracy takes Netanyahu blood money to brainwash sheeple in the MSM then you must be a Tory.
I've just read that as the Chair of the Tribune Group signed the letter demanding the removal of Williamson then that group isn't left wing. It's anti Corbyn. Obviously. And therefore Tory.
Tribune. Not left wing. These entryist fuck have no clue what they are talking about
But the entryists control the Party, and the vast bulk of Labour's MPs continue to enable them because they're too afraid to leave Labour, too emotionally attached to Labour to oppose it (let alone seek to destroy it, which is what is really required,) or both. So they can do whatever the Hell they like. End of.
Or, to couch it in the terms that you've used, how can there possibly be a civil war when one side won't fight?
It would be nice if the vote is next week - I am on a cruise for two weeks from 12th March, with very limited internet access. I can't bear the thought of missing the denouement after following this soggy drama for three years!
So you'll miss the extension and the Eastenders drum roll as the closing credits tell you the next episode will be in June.
' Crossrail 2 is set to cost over £40bn, the Mayor of London has revealed in a budget document published earlier this week.
The £41.3bn estimate for the proposed north to south London line is higher than the Greater London Authority's widely cited £30bn budget, which is based on 2014 prices.
But the real cost is set to be much higher as it estimates the actual construction cost of the project.
In his final budget for 2019-2020, London mayor Sadiq Khan has put aside £10.4bn for the project between 2023 and 2028, followed by £18.4bn between 2029 and 2033 and £12.5bn from 2033 to 2038. '
' Crossrail 2 is set to cost over £40bn, the Mayor of London has revealed in a budget document published earlier this week.
The £41.3bn estimate for the proposed north to south London line is higher than the Greater London Authority's widely cited £30bn budget, which is based on 2014 prices.
But the real cost is set to be much higher as it estimates the actual construction cost of the project.
In his final budget for 2019-2020, London mayor Sadiq Khan has put aside £10.4bn for the project between 2023 and 2028, followed by £18.4bn between 2029 and 2033 and £12.5bn from 2033 to 2038. '
If your first instinct is to defend someone accused of anti-semitism, what does that say about you? If your response to one of your MPs bullied for being Jewish is not to speak to her at all, what does that say about you?
Corbyn comes across as a deeply unpleasant and horrible person.
Being as charitable as I can be, I don't doubt Corbyn would not think of himself as instinctively defending someone accused of anti-semitism. But even if we assume that I do think he takes the normal political behaviour of instinctively defending a political ally to a severe extreme.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less alcohol, more exercise, weight loss and, probably, an operation to remove my gall bladder. I thought the whole upside of being a Tory was complete self indulgence. It certainly isn't the pleasure of trying to support this utterly inept government.
Why is roast lamb bad for you? It is divine. We eat little else in Cumbria........
Too fatty and upsets the gall bladder apparently. It was my favourite too. I tried it once since the new year and it was painful, if not nearly as bad as the first episode.
Sympathies, David. I had to have my gallbladder removed years ago, due to an infection and well remember the pain prior to removal.
I've been fine since it was taken out though, so I hope for a speedy resolution for you.
' Crossrail 2 is set to cost over £40bn, the Mayor of London has revealed in a budget document published earlier this week.
The £41.3bn estimate for the proposed north to south London line is higher than the Greater London Authority's widely cited £30bn budget, which is based on 2014 prices.
But the real cost is set to be much higher as it estimates the actual construction cost of the project.
In his final budget for 2019-2020, London mayor Sadiq Khan has put aside £10.4bn for the project between 2023 and 2028, followed by £18.4bn between 2029 and 2033 and £12.5bn from 2033 to 2038. '
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less alcohol, more exercise, weight loss and, probably, an operation to remove my gall bladder. I thought the whole upside of being a Tory was complete self indulgence. It certainly isn't the pleasure of trying to support this utterly inept government.
Why is roast lamb bad for you? It is divine. We eat little else in Cumbria........
Too fatty and upsets the gall bladder apparently. It was my favourite too. I tried it once since the new year and it was painful, if not nearly as bad as the first episode.
Sympathies, David. I had to have my gallbladder removed years ago, due to an infection and well remember the pain prior to removal.
I've been fine since it was taken out though, so I hope for a speedy resolution for you.
The pain first time around was unbelievable. Never felt anything like it. But that was 2 months ago now. I am really not sure about the op. How long did you take to get over it, if you don't mind me asking?
' A senior lawyer has claimed that barristers are often paid less per hour than they would be working in a fast-food restaurant.
Chris Henley, who chairs the Criminal Bar Association, said: "Too often fees for prosecuting produce hourly rates worse than wages at McDonald's," adding that this "sadly" was not hyperbole. '
If your first instinct is to defend someone accused of anti-semitism, what does that say about you? If your response to one of your MPs bullied for being Jewish is not to speak to her at all, what does that say about you?
Corbyn comes across as a deeply unpleasant and horrible person.
He's an interesting person to contemplate as on the surface he does come across generally as personable, polite and genial. But even if you are someone who thinks he is great, for sake of argument, there is a hard edge to him at times. A little snap here, some willful blindness there, a failure to act there. It adds up.
Being as charitable as I can be, I don't doubt Corbyn would not think of himself as instinctively defending someone accused of anti-semitism. But even if we assume that I do think he takes the normal political behaviour of instinctively defending a political ally to a severe extreme.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less alcohol, more exercise, weight loss and, probably, an operation to remove my gall bladder. I thought the whole upside of being a Tory was complete self indulgence. It certainly isn't the pleasure of trying to support this utterly inept government.
Why is roast lamb bad for you? It is divine. We eat little else in Cumbria........
Too fatty and upsets the gall bladder apparently. It was my favourite too. I tried it once since the new year and it was painful, if not nearly as bad as the first episode.
Poor you. Well I hope your health continues to get better.
I’m sticking with my Christmas predictions for now.
Interesting to see just how many of your 2019 predictions, and David Herdson's in response, are still 'in play'. I am slightly more with him than with you partly because, foolishly perhaps, it feels impossible that we can continue to finds ways of kicking the leaving EU can down the road for much longer. It is hard to see how public opinion could bear it, let alone Brenda from Bristol.
If your first instinct is to defend someone accused of anti-semitism, what does that say about you? If your response to one of your MPs bullied for being Jewish is not to speak to her at all, what does that say about you?
Corbyn comes across as a deeply unpleasant and horrible person.
He's an interesting person to contemplate as on the surface he does come across generally as personable, polite and genial. But even if you are someone who thinks he is great, for sake of argument, there is a hard edge to him at times. A little snap here, some willful blindness there, a failure to act there. It adds up.
Being as charitable as I can be, I don't doubt Corbyn would not think of himself as instinctively defending someone accused of anti-semitism. But even if we assume that I do think he takes the normal political behaviour of instinctively defending a political ally to a severe extreme.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less alcohol, more exercise, weight loss and, probably, an operation to remove my gall bladder. I thought the whole upside of being a Tory was complete self indulgence. It certainly isn't the pleasure of trying to support this utterly inept government.
David I hadn't fully clocked the extent of your under the weatherness. I'm delighted things are getting back to normal. I recently worked out that it is better to wake up with a clear head than one filled with cotton wool and hence moved into the slow lane with the Sipsmiths, for example.
Your lifestyle change will leave you feeling tons better I have no doubt.
' Crossrail 2 is set to cost over £40bn, the Mayor of London has revealed in a budget document published earlier this week.
The £41.3bn estimate for the proposed north to south London line is higher than the Greater London Authority's widely cited £30bn budget, which is based on 2014 prices.
But the real cost is set to be much higher as it estimates the actual construction cost of the project.
In his final budget for 2019-2020, London mayor Sadiq Khan has put aside £10.4bn for the project between 2023 and 2028, followed by £18.4bn between 2029 and 2033 and £12.5bn from 2033 to 2038. '
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less alcohol, more exercise, weight loss and, probably, an operation to remove my gall bladder. I thought the whole upside of being a Tory was complete self indulgence. It certainly isn't the pleasure of trying to support this utterly inept government.
Why is roast lamb bad for you? It is divine. We eat little else in Cumbria........
Too fatty and upsets the gall bladder apparently. It was my favourite too. I tried it once since the new year and it was painful, if not nearly as bad as the first episode.
Sympathies, David. I had to have my gallbladder removed years ago, due to an infection and well remember the pain prior to removal.
I've been fine since it was taken out though, so I hope for a speedy resolution for you.
The pain first time around was unbelievable. Never felt anything like it. But that was 2 months ago now. I am really not sure about the op. How long did you take to get over it, if you don't mind me asking?
I concur, I had a blocked bile duct, and the pain was unbearable,(week in hospital) later had my Gall Bladder removed, and that turned from "Key hole" to ", "cut me in half" and another week in hospital. The really worrying thing for me was I had just returned from a big trek in South America, with an ex GP friend, who said, "If that had happened out there, you would have died". We could not contact the outside world, and were mainly above helicopter rescue altitude. I have nothing but praise for the NHS
An interesting take, and I half agree with it, in that the mere fact of a level of chaos and intense angst around difficult, divisive questions has been over egged as being evidence in itself of failure.
Just 9% of British people think politics isn't broken - and I'm one of them
When I reported this finding, the response was nearly unanimous. “Who are these 9 per cent?” Well, I’m one of them. I think British politics is working well. We are a nation struggling with a huge question about what our relationship should be with continental Europe, and we are engaged in a long, democratic and open discussion about it.
I don’t know how it will be resolved, but whatever the outcome, it will be the least worst in the collective judgement of our elected representatives assembled in the House of Commons. That is British politics working as it should.
If your first instinct is to defend someone accused of anti-semitism, what does that say about you? If your response to one of your MPs bullied for being Jewish is not to speak to her at all, what does that say about you?
Corbyn comes across as a deeply unpleasant and horrible person.
He's an interesting person to contemplate as on the surface he does come across generally as personable, polite and genial. But even if you are someone who thinks he is great, for sake of argument, there is a hard edge to him at times. A little snap here, some willful blindness there, a failure to act there. It adds up.
Being as charitable as I can be, I don't doubt Corbyn would not think of himself as instinctively defending someone accused of anti-semitism. But even if we assume that I do think he takes the normal political behaviour of instinctively defending a political ally to a severe extreme.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less alcohol, more exercise, weight loss and, probably, an operation to remove my gall bladder. I thought the whole upside of being a Tory was complete self indulgence. It certainly isn't the pleasure of trying to support this utterly inept government.
David I hadn't fully clocked the extent of your under the weatherness. I'm delighted things are getting back to normal. I recently worked out that it is better to wake up with a clear head than one filled with cotton wool and hence moved into the slow lane with the Sipsmiths, for example.
Your lifestyle change will leave you feeling tons better I have no doubt.
I miss the wine and the lamb. Otherwise I feel better than I have for a few years.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less alcohol, more exercise, weight loss and, probably, an operation to remove my gall bladder. I thought the whole upside of being a Tory was complete self indulgence. It certainly isn't the pleasure of trying to support this utterly inept government.
Why is roast lamb bad for you? It is divine. We eat little else in Cumbria........
Too fatty and upsets the gall bladder apparently. It was my favourite too. I tried it once since the new year and it was painful, if not nearly as bad as the first episode.
Sympathies, David. I had to have my gallbladder removed years ago, due to an infection and well remember the pain prior to removal.
I've been fine since it was taken out though, so I hope for a speedy resolution for you.
The pain first time around was unbelievable. Never felt anything like it. But that was 2 months ago now. I am really not sure about the op. How long did you take to get over it, if you don't mind me asking?
I concur, I had a blocked bile duct, and the pain was unbearable,(week in hospital) later had my Gall Bladder removed, and that turned from "Key hole" to ", "cut me in half" and another week in hospital. The really worrying thing for me was I had just returned from a big trek in South America, with an ex GP friend, who said, "If that had happened out there, you would have died". We could not contact the outside world, and were mainly above helicopter rescue altitude. I have nothing but praise for the NHS
' Crossrail 2 is set to cost over £40bn, the Mayor of London has revealed in a budget document published earlier this week.
The £41.3bn estimate for the proposed north to south London line is higher than the Greater London Authority's widely cited £30bn budget, which is based on 2014 prices.
But the real cost is set to be much higher as it estimates the actual construction cost of the project.
In his final budget for 2019-2020, London mayor Sadiq Khan has put aside £10.4bn for the project between 2023 and 2028, followed by £18.4bn between 2029 and 2033 and £12.5bn from 2033 to 2038. '
' Crossrail 2 is set to cost over £40bn, the Mayor of London has revealed in a budget document published earlier this week.
The £41.3bn estimate for the proposed north to south London line is higher than the Greater London Authority's widely cited £30bn budget, which is based on 2014 prices.
But the real cost is set to be much higher as it estimates the actual construction cost of the project.
In his final budget for 2019-2020, London mayor Sadiq Khan has put aside £10.4bn for the project between 2023 and 2028, followed by £18.4bn between 2029 and 2033 and £12.5bn from 2033 to 2038. '
If your first instinct is to defend someone accused of anti-semitism, what does that say about you? If your response to one of your MPs bullied for being Jewish is not to speak to her at all, what does that say about you?
Corbyn comes across as a deeply unpleasant and horrible person.
He's an interesting person to contemplate as on the surface he does come across generally as personable, polite and genial. But even if you are someone who thinks he is great, for sake of argument, there is a hard edge to him at times. A little snap here, some willful blindness there, a failure to act there. It adds up.
Being as charitable as I can be, I don't doubt Corbyn would not think of himself as instinctively defending someone accused of anti-semitism. But even if we assume that I do think he takes the normal political behaviour of instinctively defending a political ally to a severe extreme.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less alcohol, more exercise, weight loss and, probably, an operation to remove my gall bladder. I thought the whole upside of being a Tory was complete self indulgence. It certainly isn't the pleasure of trying to support this utterly inept government.
Why is roast lamb bad for you? It is divine. We eat little else in Cumbria........
The number and variety of sheep up there is amazing. I was particularly struck by the Hebrideans, which look demonic.
It makes a big difference the absence of 20 odd Labour MPs who are now various shades of independents. It would have been a far closer result before Labour splintered. I wonder if the newly released Peterborough MP is voting in the commons or is she under curfew?!
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
' Crossrail 2 is set to cost over £40bn, the Mayor of London has revealed in a budget document published earlier this week.
The £41.3bn estimate for the proposed north to south London line is higher than the Greater London Authority's widely cited £30bn budget, which is based on 2014 prices.
But the real cost is set to be much higher as it estimates the actual construction cost of the project.
In his final budget for 2019-2020, London mayor Sadiq Khan has put aside £10.4bn for the project between 2023 and 2028, followed by £18.4bn between 2029 and 2033 and £12.5bn from 2033 to 2038. '
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
In March neither the Deal nor No Deal will pass, the vote is for an extension. A short extension is granted. The objective of the extension is for the truth (that we must ratify the WA if we wish to leave the EU anytime soon) to dawn. 2 things are then possible:
(1) The truth does dawn. In which case the Deal passes and we leave on 30 June. 75% chance,
(2) It doesn't. 25% chance.
In which (2) case, because there is not the stomach for Revoke (either with or without the fig leaf of another Referendum), and no Tory PM can pivot to Labour policy on THE issue of our time, there will be - there has to be - a GENERAL ELECTION.
If there is, the Cons will run on the Deal and a quick Brexit. Labour will run on a further (longish) extension to negotiate their BINO together with a promise to put that to the ignorami in a Referendum.
Labour will win that election (if it comes to pass) and will make good on their promise.
Meaning a Referendum in 2020 which will result in Remain. We stay.
And Jeremy gets the trains and the water and the inequality sorted.
Cooper to division, some surprise at the opposition. Presumably the latest ERG masterstroke, forcing a division where they will be outvoted by everyone else.
To think they cancelled the Northern electrification because it was over budget by a lot less than that.
Given that Grayling is MP for Epsom I'd say CrossRail 2 has nothing to worry about.
In the event of No Deal a lot of the Hard Brexiteers assumptions on everything being fine are based on Chris Grayling ensuring things run smoothly.
My prediction we'll have sued for peace by the end of April and signed up to the Euro.
As long as we don't rely on him to deliver the surrender note.
Grayling has been in the Shadow Cabinet and Cabinet continuously since 2005.
How is it that we all can see him as crap yet the Conservative party thinks he's top level stuff ?
Am i the only one to remember this:
' General Sir Richard Dannatt, the former head of the army who repeatedly clashed with ministers over troop levels and equipment in Afghanistan, is to join the Conservatives as a military adviser.
David Cameron will announce in his closing speech to the Tory conference tomorrow that Dannatt will become a working peer, paving the way for him to serve as a defence minister after the election.
However, the appointment, which is designed to underline the Tories' credentials on defence, nearly went awry today when a member of the shadow cabinet described the move as a "gimmick".
In the biggest gaffe of this week's conference in Manchester, Chris Grayling, the shadow home secretary, dismissed the appointment after assuming wrongly that Dannatt had been made a minister by Gordon Brown. Grayling said in a live BBC television interview: "I hope that this isn't a political gimmick. We've seen too many appointments in this government of external people where it's all been about Gordon Brown's PR." '
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
Nice story Sean, well done to your sister for her research; great to be able to trace back to William the Conqueror. How many generations between you and him?
I have often wondered what proportion of the country has descent from him. On the on hand, given the number of generations involved it could be a high percentage, on the other hand the aristos did tend to breed only amongst themselves. Has anyone ever researched this?
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less n operation to remove my gall bladder. I.
Why is roast lamb bad for you? It is divine. We eat little else in Cumbria........
Too fatty and upsets the gall bladder apparently. It was my favourite too. I tried it once since the new year and it was painful, if not nearly as bad as the first episode.
Sympathiesllbladder removed years ago, due to an infection and well remember the pain prior to removal.
I've been fine since it was taken out though, so I hope for a speedy resolution for you.
The pain first if you don't mind me asking?
I concur, I had a blocked bile duct, and the pain was unbearable,(week in hospital) later had my Gall thing NHS
I got pancreatitis from a blocked bile duct caused by a gallstone. Had to recover before they whipped the gallbladder out..
Went in on day before Christmas Eve, let me out the next day and I was at my sisters for Christmas dinner the day after that.
It was sore, and getting over the surgery properly takes a few weeks, but you can freely potter around the house etc without a problem. I read about all kinds of horror from having gallbladder removed. For me none came true. I live absolutely fine now. If you massively overdo it on the high fat food it can make you feel very lethargic. Think like you’ve eaten three Big Macs and large milk shake. But other than that, life is normal..
Oh.. it did hurt when I laughed for about two years afterwards... but I’m a miserable sod, so barely noticed.
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
One of the things I distrust about Corbyn and his allies is that they espouse discourse, he did so today at PMQs, but they also say things like they wouldn’t be friends with a Tory, as if they are innately evil.
You trying to say Tories are not innately evil
Well everyone knows the members are innately evil but some of their voters are ok malc!
I am a member by the way !!!!
You hide the evil well, kudos
Have you ever been to one of his barbecues? Just saying.
Are you back to 100% fighting fit now David
Feeling much better thanks. But no more roast lamb (or babies), much less alcohol, more exercise, weight loss and, probably, an operation to remove my gall bladder. I thought the whole upside of being a Tory was complete self indulgence. It certainly isn't the pleasure of trying to support this utterly inept government.
Why is roast lamb bad for you? It is divine. We eat little else in Cumbria........
Too fatty and upsets the gall bladder apparently. It was my favourite too. I tried it once since the new year and it was painful, if not nearly as bad as the first episode.
Sympathies, David. I had to have my gallbladder removed years ago, due to an infection and well remember the pain prior to removal.
I've been fine since it was taken out though, so I hope for a speedy resolution for you.
The pain first time around was unbelievable. Never felt anything like it. But that was 2 months ago now. I am really not sure about the op. How long did you take to get over it, if you don't mind me asking?
I had keyhole surgery about 15 years ago, but the infection had caused the gall bladder to 'sink', according to the consultant, so he had to 'rummage' around a bit which left me fairly sore.
They let me out of the hospital with morphine after about 3 days, and I retreated to my parents' and rested for a couple of weeks. I had to take anti-spasmodic drugs for a little while afterwards but no real problems since. I can eat roast lamb again, in moderation!
Good luck, hope all goes well. You'll feel much better once it is done, honestly.
In March neither the Deal nor No Deal will pass, the vote is for an extension. A short extension is granted. The objective of the extension is for the truth (that we must ratify the WA if we wish to leave the EU anytime soon) to dawn. 2 things are then possible:
(1) The truth does dawn. In which case the Deal passes and we leave on 30 June. 75% chance,
(2) It doesn't. 25% chance.
In which (2) case, because there is not the stomach for Revoke (either with or without the fig leaf of another Referendum), and no Tory PM can pivot to Labour policy on THE issue of our time, there will be - there has to be - a GENERAL ELECTION.
If there is, the Cons will run on the Deal and a quick Brexit. Labour will run on a further (longish) extension to negotiate their BINO together with a promise to put that to the ignorami in a Referendum.
Labour will win that election (if it comes to pass) and will make good on their promise.
Meaning a Referendum in 2020 which will result in Remain. We stay.
And Jeremy gets the trains and the water and the inequality sorted.
Win/Win.
So you're basically saying you have no idea what's going to happen?
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
Still a twat though.
Just kidding, apologies my liege.
I, the descendant of Snaer Frostaston, Ruler of the Kvens, and Lord of Snow and Ice, hereby condemn you to a light shower of sleet. You have been warned.
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
You are also, therefore, related to Danny Dyer. Leave it aaaahhhht.
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
Still a twat though.
Just kidding, apologies my liege.
With all that inbred aristo blood how could he be anything else?
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
Nice story Sean, well done to your sister for her research; great to be able to trace back to William the Conqueror. How many generations between you and him?
I have often wondered what proportion of the country has descent from him. On the on hand, given the number of generations involved it could be a high percentage, on the other hand the aristos did tend to breed only amongst themselves. Has anyone ever researched this?
When you go back that many generations, almost everyone is related to a particular person who had a large family.
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
Nice story Sean, well done to your sister for her research; great to be able to trace back to William the Conqueror. How many generations between you and him?
I have often wondered what proportion of the country has descent from him. On the on hand, given the number of generations involved it could be a high percentage, on the other hand the aristos did tend to breed only amongst themselves. Has anyone ever researched this?
God I dunno. Forty generations, at a rough guess? I could actually count them, my sister has written it all down.
Yes I am sure there are many many thousands in the UK who are directly descended from William the First, and millions (most?) will be related in some way.
The difference is being able to *prove* a direct descent. Which my sister has done. Amazing.
It does explain, my wife says, certain things about me and the men in my family. Not all good, I hasten to add.
Ben Bradshaw @BenPBradshaw 1m Chaos in Commons as ERG shout “no” to revised Cooper amendment which just repeats what May promised yesterday. ERG co-leader Francois mouths “what the f***k”. Most Tories voting for it. ERG it seems split. #BrexitShambles
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
Fascinating stuff. Family trees are always interesting.
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
In March neither the Deal nor No Deal will pass, the vote is for an extension. A short extension is granted. The objective of the extension is for the truth (that we must ratify the WA if we wish to leave the EU anytime soon) to dawn. 2 things are then possible:
(1) The truth does dawn. In which case the Deal passes and we leave on 30 June. 75% chance,
(2) It doesn't. 25% chance.
In which (2) case, because there is not the stomach for Revoke (either with or without the fig leaf of another Referendum), and no Tory PM can pivot to Labour policy on THE issue of our time, there will be - there has to be - a GENERAL ELECTION.
If there is, the Cons will run on the Deal and a quick Brexit. Labour will run on a further (longish) extension to negotiate their BINO together with a promise to put that to the ignorami in a Referendum.
Labour will win that election (if it comes to pass) and will make good on their promise.
Meaning a Referendum in 2020 which will result in Remain. We stay.
And Jeremy gets the trains and the water and the inequality sorted.
Win/Win.
I think it is fair to say that the chances of (2) coming to pass are approximately zero. The chances of (1), liberally interpreted (it may happen a bit earlier or later) are higher than 75%.
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The political equivalent of putting the heavy plinth on wheels and rolling it back a few feet through sheer weight of numbers.
If it doesn't there'll be quite a lot of hypocrites in the HoC.
I feel it really could happen this way. But then again there are so many possibilities...
I don't have evidence of anything but here is some tasty insinuation and hearsay, please can I go to jail for less time? Orange man is bad, I'm just a patsy. Blah blah blah
It would be nice if the vote is next week - I am on a cruise for two weeks from 12th March, with very limited internet access. I can't bear the thought of missing the denouement after following this soggy drama for three years!
LINO . Leader in name only !
According to utter fucking wazzocks unless you support crash Brexit, the Divinity of JC, and think a global Jewish conspiracy takes Netanyahu blood money to brainwash sheeple in the MSM then you must be a Tory.
I've just read that as the Chair of the Tribune Group signed the letter demanding the removal of Williamson then that group isn't left wing. It's anti Corbyn. Obviously. And therefore Tory.
Tribune. Not left wing. These entryist fuck have no clue what they are talking about
' Crossrail 2 is set to cost over £40bn, the Mayor of London has revealed in a budget document published earlier this week.
The £41.3bn estimate for the proposed north to south London line is higher than the Greater London Authority's widely cited £30bn budget, which is based on 2014 prices.
But the real cost is set to be much higher as it estimates the actual construction cost of the project.
In his final budget for 2019-2020, London mayor Sadiq Khan has put aside £10.4bn for the project between 2023 and 2028, followed by £18.4bn between 2029 and 2033 and £12.5bn from 2033 to 2038. '
http://www.cityam.com/273889/crossrail-2-costs-surge-over-40bn
Inevitably its not the first time cost projections have shown an increase:
' Estimated costs of the Crossrail 2 project have risen by nearly £7bn, according to new Transport for London (TfL) spending plans.
The 30% increase, of £6.6bn, has been due to the inclusion of costs for new trains and surface works, figures show.
It means the north-south rail scheme is now expected to cost £20bn for the shorter Metro route and £27.5bn for the longer regional option. '
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30228899
Or, to couch it in the terms that you've used, how can there possibly be a civil war when one side won't fight?
I've been fine since it was taken out though, so I hope for a speedy resolution for you.
' A senior lawyer has claimed that barristers are often paid less per hour than they would be working in a fast-food restaurant.
Chris Henley, who chairs the Criminal Bar Association, said: "Too often fees for prosecuting produce hourly rates worse than wages at McDonald's," adding that this "sadly" was not hyperbole. '
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47372265
Also, if anybody hasn't caught up with True Detective series 3 yet, you are in for a treat. Brilliant writing, exceptional cast.
Can you say that the Windies are going to win this match.
"Take the 12/1 Corals are offering on Watford to beat Liverpool tonight."
Are you going?
Your lifestyle change will leave you feeling tons better I have no doubt.
The really worrying thing for me was I had just returned from a big trek in South America, with an ex GP friend, who said, "If that had happened out there, you would have died".
We could not contact the outside world, and were mainly above helicopter rescue altitude.
I have nothing but praise for the NHS
My prediction we'll have sued for peace by the end of April and signed up to the Euro.
Here's a story.
My sister has been very professionally researching our family tree. My Dad did this years before in a less committed way, and we discovered - as we expected - many centuries of Cornish tinners, farmers, smugglers, going back to the 13th century. plus a man who kept more frogs than anyone else in Cornwall ("froggy Skewes").
So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.
My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back to my great great great great grandmother, Frances Moyle (nee Tremayne) - from whom I get my nom de plume.
It turns out this strand of the family has, well, quite the background.
The Tremaynes date back, provably and directly to the 12th century, and a Knight Templar, Peter de Tremaen, a warrior of Norman blood. Even more fascinating, Peter's son (my great great great... etc etc grandfather) married a Peverell, and they go back to the Norman Conquest, when my great great great... blah blah.. grandfather. Ranulph Peverell, was born of William the Conqueror and his Saxon mistress Maud (reputedly the granddaughter of Aethelred the Unready, and thus herself a descendant of Alfred the Great, and ultimately Odin, if Anglo Saxon legends are to be believed)..
I am thus a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. And I am therefore descended, directly, through him, from King Rollo of Normandy and Ragnar Lothbrok (the guys in VIKINGS, my favourite drama series of the moment - which is now suddenly a home movie), moreover via Rollo and Ragnar I am apparently descended from Halfdan the Old, Fortjof the Ancient Giant, and Snaer and Kari the Myth Kings of Kvenland, who are also regarded as the original Norse Gods of Snow and Ice.
So I'm *quite* posh after all.
I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.
So it did have significant Labour support. Only one more opponent than Labour's amendment but 48 more in favour.
In March neither the Deal nor No Deal will pass, the vote is for an extension. A short extension is granted. The objective of the extension is for the truth (that we must ratify the WA if we wish to leave the EU anytime soon) to dawn. 2 things are then possible:
(1) The truth does dawn. In which case the Deal passes and we leave on 30 June. 75% chance,
(2) It doesn't. 25% chance.
In which (2) case, because there is not the stomach for Revoke (either with or without the fig leaf of another Referendum), and no Tory PM can pivot to Labour policy on THE issue of our time, there will be - there has to be - a GENERAL ELECTION.
If there is, the Cons will run on the Deal and a quick Brexit. Labour will run on a further (longish) extension to negotiate their BINO together with a promise to put that to the ignorami in a Referendum.
Labour will win that election (if it comes to pass) and will make good on their promise.
Meaning a Referendum in 2020 which will result in Remain. We stay.
And Jeremy gets the trains and the water and the inequality sorted.
Win/Win.
Lol @ no tellers, Bone and Chope.
How is it that we all can see him as crap yet the Conservative party thinks he's top level stuff ?
Am i the only one to remember this:
' General Sir Richard Dannatt, the former head of the army who repeatedly clashed with ministers over troop levels and equipment in Afghanistan, is to join the Conservatives as a military adviser.
David Cameron will announce in his closing speech to the Tory conference tomorrow that Dannatt will become a working peer, paving the way for him to serve as a defence minister after the election.
However, the appointment, which is designed to underline the Tories' credentials on defence, nearly went awry today when a member of the shadow cabinet described the move as a "gimmick".
In the biggest gaffe of this week's conference in Manchester, Chris Grayling, the shadow home secretary, dismissed the appointment after assuming wrongly that Dannatt had been made a minister by Gordon Brown. Grayling said in a live BBC television interview: "I hope that this isn't a political gimmick. We've seen too many appointments in this government of external people where it's all been about Gordon Brown's PR." '
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/07/richard-dannatt-conservative-conference-military
I have often wondered what proportion of the country has descent from him. On the on hand, given the number of generations involved it could be a high percentage, on the other hand the aristos did tend to breed only amongst themselves. Has anyone ever researched this?
Went in on day before Christmas Eve, let me out the next day and I was at my sisters for Christmas dinner the day after that.
It was sore, and getting over the surgery properly takes a few weeks, but you can freely potter around the house etc without a problem. I read about all kinds of horror from having gallbladder removed. For me none came true. I live absolutely fine now. If you massively overdo it on the high fat food it can make you feel very lethargic. Think like you’ve eaten three Big Macs and large milk shake. But other than that, life is normal..
Oh.. it did hurt when I laughed for about two years afterwards... but I’m a miserable sod, so barely noticed.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1100753543756156929
Just kidding, apologies my liege.
They let me out of the hospital with morphine after about 3 days, and I retreated to my parents' and rested for a couple of weeks. I had to take anti-spasmodic drugs for a little while afterwards but no real problems since. I can eat roast lamb again, in moderation!
Good luck, hope all goes well. You'll feel much better once it is done, honestly.
Liverpool will win 2 - 0.
https://www.geni.com/people/Myth-King-of-Kvenland-Snær-Frostason/5622076289410089854
Leave it aaaahhhht.
Thank goodness, I was bored of the last Brexiteer rebellion.
Yes I am sure there are many many thousands in the UK who are directly descended from William the First, and millions (most?) will be related in some way.
The difference is being able to *prove* a direct descent. Which my sister has done. Amazing.
It does explain, my wife says, certain things about me and the men in my family. Not all good, I hasten to add.
Ben Bradshaw @BenPBradshaw
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Chaos in Commons as ERG shout “no” to revised Cooper amendment which just repeats what May promised yesterday. ERG co-leader Francois mouths “what the f***k”. Most Tories voting for it. ERG it seems split. #BrexitShambles