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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    England are more hopelessly lost than a female intern in the Kennedy White House.

    Gayle might even win this win ten overs to spare.

    England need wickets. Unbelievably they don't have enough runs.
    In particular, England need one wicket. But my golden touch seems to have deserted me.

    The only real question now is whether Gayle gets 216 or not for a career-best.
    I think it is in his mind. He has slowed right down and looks very focused.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)

    It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.
    tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.
    It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. But
    I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.

    On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.

    By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.

    Show me to wine, Crixtus.
    And let us not forget Parks and Recreation didn't get really good until the last couple episodes of Season 2, about 30 episodes in.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)

    It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.
    tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.
    It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. But
    I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.

    On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.

    By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.

    Show me to wine, Crixtus.
    And let us not forget Parks and Recreation didn't get really good until the last couple episodes of Season 2, about 30 episodes in.
    Yes! Absolutely right. I advise people to simply skip season 1 .And yet Season 3 and 4 of Parks and Rec are just sublime, they nailed the characters brilliantly, at last.

    Season 5 (where I am now) is a bit sketchy. Some good moments, but not quite as brilliant....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    England are more hopelessly lost than a female intern in the Kennedy White House.

    Gayle might even win this win ten overs to spare.

    England need wickets. Unbelievably they don't have enough runs.
    In particular, England need one wicket. But my golden touch seems to have deserted me.

    The only real question now is whether Gayle gets 216 or not for a career-best.
    I think it is in his mind. He has slowed right down and looks very focused.
    I'm claiming that one. Game on or too much damage done?
  • notme2notme2 Posts: 1,006
    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)

    It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.
    tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.
    It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. But
    I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.

    On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.

    By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.

    Show me to wine, Crixtus.
    And let us not forget Parks and Recreation didn't get really good until the last couple episodes of Season 2, about 30 episodes in.
    Yes! Absolutely right. I advise people to simply skip season 1 .And yet Season 3 and 4 of Parks and Rec are just sublime, they nailed the characters brilliantly, at last.

    Season 5 (where I am now) is a bit sketchy. Some good moments, but not quite as brilliant....
    My wife and I love that... both into local gvt also helps...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Dadge said:

    nico67 said:

    Even if May gets her deal through there’s still the matter of the WAIB .

    That can be amended so could still run into trouble . One does feel though that even if Mays deal gets defeated it will be by much less than last time and so could limp on when huge pressure will be put on Tory rebels from both sides of the debate .

    You can’t get a more staunch Remainer than myself but at this point I want Mays deal to go through because I don’t want a huge rupture with the EU that will sour relations for a long time .

    Remainers need to fight for a softer Brexit in the transition period which could still happen . I can’t see another EU vote happening and it’s best to move on at this point.

    May's Deal might be approved by the HoC subject to confirmation in a 2nd Ref (via amendment).
    I suppose this is looking a likely outcome now. This will be Labour’s position, and I can't see how May has the numbers without Labour support.
    If all the opposition parties support a 'subject to confirmation by a referendum' amendment to the MV, May should let it pass - she is then off the hook.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,388

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    A small break from Brexit into geneaology?



    So I have always felt authentically Cornish, but not very posh.

    My sister however has taken things further. She has gone back

    So I'm *quite* posh after all.

    I'm certainly glad I took my rightful name Tremayne.

    Is this Peverell related to your ancestor:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Peverel

    And not wanting to upset you but wiki says that 'there is no evidence of any illegitimate children born to WtC':

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror#Family_and_children
    I have seen the disputes by these vile heretics. However, lot of historians believe Maud really did father the Peverell boy.

    https://www.geni.com/people/Ranulph-de-Peverel-of-Hatfield/6000000002134874447
    This reminds us of another of the problems when tracing your ancestors: cuckoldry. It is estimated that 1-2% of children are unwittingly raised by fathers who are not their biological fathers. Over 40 generations that makes it more likely than not that the apparent genetic line is not the real one.

    Still, if I were in Sean_T's shoes I'd still be claiming descent from William the Conq. :smile:

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/06/the-paternity-myth-the-rarity-of-cuckoldry/#.XHbsFC10c_U
    Yeah. I'm deffo claiming William the Conq.

    Besides, even if Ranulph wasn't born of Maud and William the Bastard (evidence suggests he was), that means my great great great great blah blah.... grandmother, born in 1003, is..

    The Countess Mortaigne Herleve Arlette Fitzcourtanneur Fitzrichard (De Falaise), Duchess of Normandy

    Which, I aver, is still FAIRLY posh.

    https://www.geni.com/people/Countss-Mortaigne-Herleve-Fitzcourtanneur-Fitzrichard-Duchess-of-Normandy/6000000028341829327

    Most white English are descended from him. Most of us are descended from Muhammed, as well.

    I can trace one part of my ancestry to 1689. Lieutenant Tubman (the maiden name of my maternal grandmother) fought at the siege of Derry and the Battle of the Boyne, and got several hundred acres in South Tyrone, in reward.
    Shouldn't you now be a DUP MP, then?
    Maybe I would be, if I'd been brought up there.

    Tubman, though a Protestant, initially volunteered to fight for King James (many Protestants viewed him as the rightful monarch, despite his religion). But, James' general, Tyrconnell, doubted the loyalty of Protestant soldiers, and fired him. So, he fought for William, instead.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    England are more hopelessly lost than a female intern in the Kennedy White House.

    Gayle might even win this win ten overs to spare.

    England need wickets. Unbelievably they don't have enough runs.
    In particular, England need one wicket. But my golden touch seems to have deserted me.

    The only real question now is whether Gayle gets 216 or not for a career-best.
    I think it is in his mind. He has slowed right down and looks very focused.
    I'm claiming that one. Game on or too much damage done?
    Game on, I suspect. Still a lot for the WIndies to do.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Scott_P said:
    Sounds like nonsense to me, and that someone saw her talking to one of the whips and made an assumption. May is crap, but I don't buy that story.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    notme2 said:

    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)

    It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.
    tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.
    It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. But
    I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.

    On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.

    By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.

    Show me to wine, Crixtus.
    And let us not forget Parks and Recreation didn't get really good until the last couple episodes of Season 2, about 30 episodes in.
    Yes! Absolutely right. I advise people to simply skip season 1 .And yet Season 3 and 4 of Parks and Rec are just sublime, they nailed the characters brilliantly, at last.

    Season 5 (where I am now) is a bit sketchy. Some good moments, but not quite as brilliant....
    My wife and I love that... both into local gvt also helps...
    I think Ron Swanson might be my favourite TV character from any TV sitcom in the history of TV.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,279
    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)

    It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.
    It is worth watching for Tony Shalhoub alone.

  • WIIIICKKKKKKKKETTTTTTTTT....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    I'm claiming 50% of that dismissal.

    @DavidL is welcome to the other half!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)

    It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.
    tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.
    It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. But
    I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.

    On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.

    By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.

    Show me to wine, Crixtus.
    And let us not forget Parks and Recreation didn't get really good until the last couple episodes of Season 2, about 30 episodes in.
    Yes! Absolutely right. I advise people to simply skip season 1 .And yet Season 3 and 4 of Parks and Rec are just sublime, they nailed the characters brilliantly, at last.

    Season 5 (where I am now) is a bit sketchy. Some good moments, but not quite as brilliant....
    Unlike many(most) shows, they nailed the ending though.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    England are more hopelessly lost than a female intern in the Kennedy White House.

    Gayle might even win this win ten overs to spare.

    England need wickets. Unbelievably they don't have enough runs.
    In particular, England need one wicket. But my golden touch seems to have deserted me.

    The only real question now is whether Gayle gets 216 or not for a career-best.
    I think it is in his mind. He has slowed right down and looks very focused.
    I'm claiming that one. Game on or too much damage done?
    Damage done. Holder to get 100 off 50 and they win with an over to spare.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    SeanT said:

    notme2 said:

    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)

    It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.
    tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.
    It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. But
    I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.

    On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.

    By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.

    Show me to wine, Crixtus.
    And let us not forget Parks and Recreation didn't get really good until the last couple episodes of Season 2, about 30 episodes in.
    Yes! Absolutely right. I advise people to simply skip season 1 .And yet Season 3 and 4 of Parks and Rec are just sublime, they nailed the characters brilliantly, at last.

    Season 5 (where I am now) is a bit sketchy. Some good moments, but not quite as brilliant....
    My wife and I love that... both into local gvt also helps...
    I think Ron Swanson might be my favourite TV character from any TV sitcom in the history of TV.
    It's an easy joke, but this was my favourite line of his from the show because it is so true to my heart

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhS1fN_wwVw
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,134
    edited February 2019
    120 off last15 overs in modern ODI is standard. Still WIs game to lose.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    England are more hopelessly lost than a female intern in the Kennedy White House.

    Gayle might even win this win ten overs to spare.

    England need wickets. Unbelievably they don't have enough runs.
    In particular, England need one wicket. But my golden touch seems to have deserted me.

    The only real question now is whether Gayle gets 216 or not for a career-best.
    I think it is in his mind. He has slowed right down and looks very focused.
    I'm claiming that one. Game on or too much damage done?
    Damage done. Holder to get 100 off 50 and they win with an over to spare.
    Ok you can have that one.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    120 off 15 overs in modern ODI is standard. Still WIs game to lose.

    5 down though - doable, but not as easy.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Well, I'm definitely claiming that one!
  • kle4 said:

    120 off 15 overs in modern ODI is standard. Still WIs game to lose.

    5 down though - doable, but not as easy.
    Make that 4 wickets.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)

    It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.
    tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.
    It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. But
    I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.

    On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.

    By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.

    Show me to wine, Crixtus.
    You've sold it I'll check it out.
  • Oh god, Joe Rogan has got Alex Jones on again....
  • SunnyJimSunnyJim Posts: 1,106
    Scott_P said:

    The Brexiteers still think they are winning

    https://twitter.com/mariacaulfield/status/1100852555113000961

    I escorted my parents to one of those Brexit rallies...'no deal, no problem'.

    There was absolutely no doubt in the collective hive mind that we would be leaving without a hitch premised on the ref result and nothing else. The ERG seem to have suspended disbelief in a similar fashion.

    One thing I would say about the rally was Farage was outstanding in his delivery, not so much content, but the oratory was superb.

    Davis, Hoey etc were wallflowers in comparison.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    kle4 said:

    120 off 15 overs in modern ODI is standard. Still WIs game to lose.

    5 down though - doable, but not as easy.
    Seriously close now. Quite hard for lower order batsmen to keep that rate up for long enough. Still need to get wickets though, to keep the rate down.
  • ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    England are more hopelessly lost than a female intern in the Kennedy White House.

    Gayle might even win this win ten overs to spare.

    England need wickets. Unbelievably they don't have enough runs.
    In particular, England need one wicket. But my golden touch seems to have deserted me.

    The only real question now is whether Gayle gets 216 or not for a career-best.
    I think it is in his mind. He has slowed right down and looks very focused.
    I'm claiming that one. Game on or too much damage done?
    Damage done. Holder to get 100 off 50 and they win with an over to spare.
    Holder is out
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    120 off 15 overs in modern ODI is standard. Still WIs game to lose.

    5 down though - doable, but not as easy.
    Seriously close now. Quite hard for lower order batsmen to keep that rate up for long enough. Still need to get wickets though, to keep the rate down.
    Nah, this Windies lower order is awesome. Braithwiate to get a hundred off 40 balls and win with two overs to spare.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871
    SunnyJim said:

    Scott_P said:

    The Brexiteers still think they are winning

    https://twitter.com/mariacaulfield/status/1100852555113000961

    I escorted my parents to one of those Brexit rallies...'no deal, no problem'.

    There was absolutely no doubt in the collective hive mind that we would be leaving without a hitch premised on the ref result and nothing else. The ERG seem to have suspended disbelief in a similar fashion.

    One thing I would say about the rally was Farage was outstanding in his delivery, not so much content, but the oratory was superb.

    Davis, Hoey etc were wallflowers in comparison.
    Must be one of them who's been stumping up £1000s on BFE backing a no deal exit on 29/3. Hopefully free money for everyone else. Now @ 1.13 (no 'no deal' exit on 29/3)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,254

    Do you ever post without a GE in it?

    I do tend to mention a GE as a possibility if I'm considering what might happen if Mrs May ends up being unable to get her Brexit deal through.

    Because ... it has to be a possibility.

    Don't you think?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    edited February 2019
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    120 off 15 overs in modern ODI is standard. Still WIs game to lose.

    5 down though - doable, but not as easy.
    Seriously close now. Quite hard for lower order batsmen to keep that rate up for long enough. Still need to get wickets though, to keep the rate down.
    Nah, this Windies lower order is awesome. Braithwiate to get a hundred off 40 balls and win with two overs to spare.
    Brathwaite is definitely the danger man here. Get him and it really is game on.
  • Is somebody suggesting that the West Indies bat deep?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    SunnyJim said:

    Scott_P said:

    The Brexiteers still think they are winning

    https://twitter.com/mariacaulfield/status/1100852555113000961

    I escorted my parents to one of those Brexit rallies...'no deal, no problem'.

    There was absolutely no doubt in the collective hive mind that we would be leaving without a hitch premised on the ref result and nothing else. The ERG seem to have suspended disbelief in a similar fashion.

    One thing I would say about the rally was Farage was outstanding in his delivery, not so much content, but the oratory was superb.

    Davis, Hoey etc were wallflowers in comparison.
    Superb oratory has led to dark times in the past. Just saying.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Is somebody suggesting that the West Indies bat deep?

    They bat as deep as antisemitism in the Labour Party. And that's pretty fecking deep.

    They're going to win by three wickets.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,279
    ydoethur said:

    Is somebody suggesting that the West Indies bat deep?

    They bat as deep as antisemitism in the Labour Party. And that's pretty fecking deep.

    They're going to win by three wickets.
    Not while Rashid is bowling.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Is somebody suggesting that the West Indies bat deep?

    They bat as deep as antisemitism in the Labour Party. And that's pretty fecking deep.

    They're going to win by three wickets.
    Not while Rashid is bowling.
    You mean, they're going to win by four wickets as Rashid is bowling pies that wouldn't get out a club cricketer?

    *looks expectantly at Cricinfo*
  • kinabalu said:

    Do you ever post without a GE in it?

    I do tend to mention a GE as a possibility if I'm considering what might happen if Mrs May ends up being unable to get her Brexit deal through.

    Because ... it has to be a possibility.

    Don't you think?
    Since TIG and their relationship with the Lib Dems I believe a GE before brexit is very unlikely

    If TM deal goes through a GE in the Autumn may be possible but nothing can be stated with certainty
  • Scott_P said:
    Arrogance does not help their cause
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    The big interest if Mays deal gets voted down and then we see the no deal vote what the government does .

    You’d think a free vote would be the way to go. If they whipped against removing no deal they’d see resignations and things could really kick off . If they whip to remove no deal they’d see more problems.

    I suppose the key interest would be what May voted for . Can she avoid voting!
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298
    Scott_P said:
    A possibly apocryphal tale I heard of Northern Irish politics in the 60s.
    Obviously the Catholics never voted with the Protestants. One time, the Catholics all deliberately all voted the wrong way (nominally with the government), thus causing a motion to fail because all the Protestants just automatically voted against the Catholics.
  • SunnyJimSunnyJim Posts: 1,106
    edited February 2019
    Scott_P said:
    The short term win of over-turning the result will leave us much diminished as a democracy.

    Not only will we unleash what is, at the moment, a political cancer on our extremes there will also be the issue of the EU having a permanently recalcitrant member holding the rest of the continent back from moving in the direction they want to go.

    Let the EU move forward as it wants to unencumbered with a nation who clearly holds little love for the project.

    And in the meantime remainers can marshal their resources and arguments to make a positive case for rejoining, without reservation, and look to take the UK back in to the heart of the EU in an honest, rather than a subversive, way.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

    kinabalu said:

    Do you ever post without a GE in it?

    I do tend to mention a GE as a possibility if I'm considering what might happen if Mrs May ends up being unable to get her Brexit deal through.

    Because ... it has to be a possibility.

    Don't you think?
    Since TIG and their relationship with the Lib Dems I believe a GE before brexit is very unlikely

    If TM deal goes through a GE in the Autumn may be possible but nothing can be stated with certainty
    If mrs May wants GE she will be able to get one . The Opposition will not veto the opportunity and the Tory party will assist if they see a chance to demolish labour as the brexit betrayers
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA

    Corbyn is as tin eared, dishonest and irascible as Brown. However:

    1) He is not PM, so has less excuse for such behaviour;

    2) Brown wasn't quite such an unabashed cronyist. He sacked Damian Macbride and Derek Draper. Can anyone see Corbyn sacking Milne?

    So I'd give it to the Very Naughty Boy.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,742
    Skint Britain on 4 at the moment on UC in Hartlepool

    Compelling viewing, but hard to see how Brexit is going to lead them to the sunlight uplands.
  • kinabalu said:

    Do you ever post without a GE in it?

    I do tend to mention a GE as a possibility if I'm considering what might happen if Mrs May ends up being unable to get her Brexit deal through.

    Because ... it has to be a possibility.

    Don't you think?
    Since TIG and their relationship with the Lib Dems I believe a GE before brexit is very unlikely

    If TM deal goes through a GE in the Autumn may be possible but nothing can be stated with certainty
    Post TIG I think the only risk of an early election is that defections from both big parties step up and the leadership's decide to run an early election to kill off the defections
  • SunnyJimSunnyJim Posts: 1,106
    Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.

    If Labour TIGs had reached 20+ I could actually see (if I squint a bit) the logic for May in calling a GE.

    At the moment though, I think not.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    ydoethur said:

    The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA

    Corbyn is as tin eared, dishonest and irascible as Brown. However:

    1) He is not PM, so has less excuse for such behaviour;

    2) Brown wasn't quite such an unabashed cronyist. He sacked Damian Macbride and Derek Draper. Can anyone see Corbyn sacking Milne?

    So I'd give it to the Very Naughty Boy.
    I would probably agree with you. I always found Brown easy to hate but given the current Labour leader, Brown whilst terrible does not seem as bad and Brown was certainty not traitorous when it came to national security unlike Corbyn!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876

    The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA

    Brown was mad but not stupid. So 1-0 to him.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Scott_P said:
    So if this Parliament lasts about 18 months more, they'll be back where they started?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Dammit, my touch has gone, Braithwaite really is powering Windies to a sensational win.
  • Bloody hell that was a massive hit.
  • The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA

    Brown was unsuited to the PM role, but Corbyn is unsuited to any kind of proper job. He'd be out of his depth as a shift supervisor in Tesco.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,279
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Is somebody suggesting that the West Indies bat deep?

    They bat as deep as antisemitism in the Labour Party. And that's pretty fecking deep.

    They're going to win by three wickets.
    Not while Rashid is bowling.
    You mean, they're going to win by four wickets as Rashid is bowling pies that wouldn't get out a club cricketer?

    *looks expectantly at Cricinfo*
    You just jinxed us.

  • Rashid is bowling utter shit.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA

    Brown was unsuited to the PM role, but Corbyn is unsuited to any kind of proper job. He'd be out of his depth as a shift supervisor in Tesco.
    That seems quite disparaging. For a start, it implies he might not be out of his depth working on a shift at Tesco as long as he wasn't the supervisor. So it's not fair to supermarket workers.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    edited February 2019

    Bloody hell that was a massive hit.

    Brathwaite is a phenomenally strong hitter of a cricket ball.

    Brought Wood back to get him.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    DavidL said:

    Bloody hell that was a massive hit.

    Brathwaite is a phenomenally strong hitter of a cricket ball.

    Brought Wood back to get him.
    I'm not sure even Sydney Barnes in his pomp could win it for England from here.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    DavidL said:

    The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA

    Brown was mad but not stupid. So 1-0 to him.
    I think Brown's problem was that he is one of nature's lieutenants. Excellent in a supporting rôle but just not suited for being in a buck-stops-here job.
  • oh FFS...2 extra runs off that over from piss poor fielding.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    SunnyJim said:

    Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.

    If Labour TIGs had reached 20+ I could actually see (if I squint a bit) the logic for May in calling a GE.

    At the moment though, I think not.

    Most of the Labour TIGs represent safe Labour seats though, only Penistone is marginal with a majority of 1,322. So in a GE I could see TIG being wiped out with little effort from the Labour party, meaning Labour could go after Tory held seats in the marginals.

    The marginals might be a different prospect for TIG but which ones do they choose and how are they going to decide the good prospects from the less fertile ground? It does have to be remembered that in 1983 the SDP had been going for a couple of years plus they had an electoral alliance with the Liberals. I should not give it as given the Tories would make gains in a snap election although there is nothing to stop them trying!
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited February 2019
    SunnyJim said:

    Scott_P said:
    The short term win of over-turning the result will leave us much diminished as a democracy.

    Not only will we unleash what is, at the moment, a political cancer on our extremes there will also be the issue of the EU having a permanently recalcitrant member holding the rest of the continent back from moving in the direction they want to go.

    Let the EU move forward as it wants to unencumbered with a nation who clearly holds little love for the project.

    And in the meantime remainers can marshal their resources and arguments to make a positive case for rejoining, without reservation, and look to take the UK back in to the heart of the EU in an honest, rather than a subversive, way.
    The economic 'cancer' and social shock and dislocation of no-deal is quite capable of unleashing extremes like postwar Britain has never seen.

    Meanwhile, there's little that could be more subversive than even the outer possibility - thoroughly uninvestigated by the May government, ofcourse - of both Russian and American interference in the most momentous constitutional decision in Britain since 1945.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    rpjs said:

    DavidL said:

    The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA

    Brown was mad but not stupid. So 1-0 to him.
    I think Brown's problem was that he is one of nature's lieutenants. Excellent in a supporting rôle but just not suited for being in a buck-stops-here job.
    Well that was one of his problems.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    rpjs said:

    DavidL said:

    The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA

    Brown was mad but not stupid. So 1-0 to him.
    I think Brown's problem was that he is one of nature's lieutenants. Excellent in a supporting rôle but just not suited for being in a buck-stops-here job.
    It's a good job there's nobody like that in a position of power right now. We'd be screwed.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    SunnyJim said:

    Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.

    Absolutely. The ones who remain either don't think anti-semtism is a problem or they think it is one they can still resolve within the party, and the Brexit reason for leaving has been very much reduced, why on earth would more quit the whip?

    But good on the Tiggers for taking the plunge and having an impact, here's hoping they bag at least a few more defections as things will remain unsettled.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)

    It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.
    tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.
    It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. But
    I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.

    On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.

    By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.

    Show me to wine, Crixtus.
    You've sold it I'll check it out.
    Tolerate the first 4 or 5 crappy, schlocky episodes. It then picks up. Dramatically. As they say.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    Very poor fielding from Root. This is so tight.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,279
    edited February 2019
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bloody hell that was a massive hit.

    Brathwaite is a phenomenally strong hitter of a cricket ball.

    Brought Wood back to get him.
    I'm not sure even Sydney Barnes in his pomp could win it for England from here.
    That would be no contest.
    As it is, delicately poised.

    ....Now I just jinxed us.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Long-Read
    The chilling legacy of the Rushdie affair
    The fatwa against The Satanic Verses author marked the beginning of an intolerant era."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/02/14/the-chilling-legacy-of-the-rushdie-affair/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,134
    edited February 2019
    Oh FFS...more piss poor fielding...Have the Indian bookmakers had a word?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)

    It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.
    tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.
    It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. But
    I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.

    On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.

    By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.

    Show me to wine, Crixtus.
    You've sold it I'll check it out.
    Tolerate the first 4 or 5 crappy, schlocky episodes. It then picks up. Dramatically. As they say.
    I'm afraid Mrs Maisel might be a casualty.
  • 12 from last 3 balls....very much WIs to lose now.
  • Oh FFS...more piss poor fielding...Have the Indian bookmakers had a word?

    Awww bless! My fellow PBers getting all passionate about a crappy "sport" like cricket :)
  • SunnyJim said:

    Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.

    If Labour TIGs had reached 20+ I could actually see (if I squint a bit) the logic for May in calling a GE.

    At the moment though, I think not.

    Most of the Labour TIGs represent safe Labour seats though, only Penistone is marginal with a majority of 1,322. So in a GE I could see TIG being wiped out with little effort from the Labour party, meaning Labour could go after Tory held seats in the marginals.

    The marginals might be a different prospect for TIG but which ones do they choose and how are they going to decide the good prospects from the less fertile ground? It does have to be remembered that in 1983 the SDP had been going for a couple of years plus they had an electoral alliance with the Liberals. I should not give it as given the Tories would make gains in a snap election although there is nothing to stop them trying!
    The marginals aren't marginal between Labour and TIG or between the Conservatives and TIG but between Labour and the Conservatives.

    Why anyone might think that the splitters could do well in Lab-Con marginals where the splitters don't even have any personal vote is a mystery.
  • SunnyJim said:

    Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.

    If Labour TIGs had reached 20+ I could actually see (if I squint a bit) the logic for May in calling a GE.

    At the moment though, I think not.

    Most of the Labour TIGs represent safe Labour seats though, only Penistone is marginal with a majority of 1,322. So in a GE I could see TIG being wiped out with little effort from the Labour party, meaning Labour could go after Tory held seats in the marginals.

    The marginals might be a different prospect for TIG but which ones do they choose and how are they going to decide the good prospects from the less fertile ground? It does have to be remembered that in 1983 the SDP had been going for a couple of years plus they had an electoral alliance with the Liberals. I should not give it as given the Tories would make gains in a snap election although there is nothing to stop them trying!
    The marginals aren't marginal between Labour and TIG or between the Conservatives and TIG but between Labour and the Conservatives.

    Why anyone might think that the splitters could do well in Lab-Con marginals where the splitters don't even have any personal vote is a mystery.
    Well if you can make it a three-way marginal then 34% could be enough to win the seat, but in a safe seat you might need closer to 50% to win it.
  • TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please tell me that the Marvelous Mrs Maisel gets a lot better (just finished episode 1...)

    It gets a lot better.... but it doesn't get great, It remains diverting and entertaining. A pleasant bit of fluff, worth an hour with nothing better to do.
    tyvm I'll give it a few more episodes. Had to watch the first few episodes of the Wire with the subtitles on so will stick with this.
    It is a dilemma, isn't it? Normally I will give a show two, or maybe three episodes max. But
    I tried to watch Russian Doll the other day (on the personal recommendation of Robert Smithson junior). And it was so shit I have abandoned it after 1 episode. It was UTTER shit.

    On the other hand, I remember Spartacus. That began quite badly, like a lurid cartoon, with an odd script, and lot of tits and blood. It was OK. Silly but fun. I decided to give it a chance.

    By episode five, and after a dramatic improvement, I was hooked. By episode 23 I was stunned. A superb and compelling piece of TV art. Still one of the best (and most underrated) TV drama series EVER. AND it survived the real life death of its hero actor, and went on to greater heights. Magnificent. AND they ended it brilliantly, which is really rare. BRAVO.

    Show me to wine, Crixtus.
    You've sold it I'll check it out.
    Tolerate the first 4 or 5 crappy, schlocky episodes. It then picks up. Dramatically. As they say.
    I'm afraid Mrs Maisel might be a casualty.
    Think of Spartacus not as a historical drama but as sci-fi on a prison planet called Capua inhabited by psychopathic actors.

    It then becomes great fun.
  • DROPPPPPPEDDDD....never going to win the WC like this.
  • ydoethur said:

    The interesting question I have been toying in my mind is who was worse as Labour Leader, the incumbent or Gordon Brown?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA

    Brown was unsuited to the PM role, but Corbyn is unsuited to any kind of proper job. He'd be out of his depth as a shift supervisor in Tesco.
    That seems quite disparaging. For a start, it implies he might not be out of his depth working on a shift at Tesco as long as he wasn't the supervisor. So it's not fair to supermarket workers.
    Absolutely. I apologise unreservedly to all hardworking retail employees and withdraw that assertion.


    (Didn't he fail to graduate from a ropey HE institution in some dossers degree?)
  • SunnyJim said:

    Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.

    If Labour TIGs had reached 20+ I could actually see (if I squint a bit) the logic for May in calling a GE.

    At the moment though, I think not.

    Most of the Labour TIGs represent safe Labour seats though, only Penistone is marginal with a majority of 1,322. So in a GE I could see TIG being wiped out with little effort from the Labour party, meaning Labour could go after Tory held seats in the marginals.

    The marginals might be a different prospect for TIG but which ones do they choose and how are they going to decide the good prospects from the less fertile ground? It does have to be remembered that in 1983 the SDP had been going for a couple of years plus they had an electoral alliance with the Liberals. I should not give it as given the Tories would make gains in a snap election although there is nothing to stop them trying!
    The marginals aren't marginal between Labour and TIG or between the Conservatives and TIG but between Labour and the Conservatives.

    Why anyone might think that the splitters could do well in Lab-Con marginals where the splitters don't even have any personal vote is a mystery.
    Well if you can make it a three-way marginal then 34% could be enough to win the seat, but in a safe seat you might need closer to 50% to win it.
    If.

    As we know what usually happens is that minor parties get squeezed in a marginal.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,134
    edited February 2019
    WOW....Just Wow....2 Wickets in 2 balls....I hope the WIs bat deep ;-)
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124

    DROPPPPPPEDDDD....never going to win the WC like this.

    Two catches in two balls. Good jinxing Urquhart.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    WOW....Just Wow....2 Wickets in 2 balls....I hope the WIs bat deep ;-)

    A turnaround that will only be topped when May gets her deal through parliament.
  • WOW....Just Wow....2 Wickets in 2 balls....I hope the WIs bat deep ;-)

    What a game - 3 wickets in 4 balls
  • Drutt said:

    DROPPPPPPEDDDD....never going to win the WC like this.

    Two catches in two balls. Good jinxing Urquhart.
    Takes a bow.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876

    WOW....Just Wow....2 Wickets in 2 balls.

    I saw England have a tie with India with 300 odd each at Lords. That was a pretty good ODI. But this has been phenomenal.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    Drutt said:

    DROPPPPPPEDDDD....never going to win the WC like this.

    Two catches in two balls. Good jinxing Urquhart.
    Three catches in four balls.
  • WOW....Just Wow....2 Wickets in 2 balls....I hope the WIs bat deep ;-)

    What a game - 3 wickets in 4 balls
    Always said that Rashid is a great bowler and just been really unlucky today ;-) ...looks to see if he can still delete a post from a few minutes ago.
  • SunnyJim said:

    Have developments over the last couple of days killed off further defections I wonder.

    If Labour TIGs had reached 20+ I could actually see (if I squint a bit) the logic for May in calling a GE.

    At the moment though, I think not.

    Most of the Labour TIGs represent safe Labour seats though, only Penistone is marginal with a majority of 1,322. So in a GE I could see TIG being wiped out with little effort from the Labour party, meaning Labour could go after Tory held seats in the marginals.

    The marginals might be a different prospect for TIG but which ones do they choose and how are they going to decide the good prospects from the less fertile ground? It does have to be remembered that in 1983 the SDP had been going for a couple of years plus they had an electoral alliance with the Liberals. I should not give it as given the Tories would make gains in a snap election although there is nothing to stop them trying!
    The marginals aren't marginal between Labour and TIG or between the Conservatives and TIG but between Labour and the Conservatives.

    Why anyone might think that the splitters could do well in Lab-Con marginals where the splitters don't even have any personal vote is a mystery.
    Well if you can make it a three-way marginal then 34% could be enough to win the seat, but in a safe seat you might need closer to 50% to win it.
    If.

    As we know what usually happens is that minor parties get squeezed in a marginal.
    Yes, I don't know that I think the strategy would be successful, but I think that it's the theory behind it.
  • England win - Amazing
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    Bloody hell. What an ending. Rashid.
  • notme2notme2 Posts: 1,006
    Foxy said:

    Skint Britain on 4 at the moment on UC in Hartlepool

    Compelling viewing, but hard to see how Brexit is going to lead them to the sunlight uplands.

    Unless it reduces the price of heroin or explains to unemployed people they need to look for work and attend job centre interviews to avoid been sanctioned, none whatsoever.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,876
    Did I read down thread that Liverpool were going to struggle tonight?
  • A faster turn around in that game than Labour's U-Turn decision to suspend Williamson....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,626
    DavidL said:

    Did I read down thread that Liverpool were going to struggle tonight?

    Sure somebody was lauding the 12-1 for the Watford win.....
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Is somebody suggesting that the West Indies bat deep?

    They bat as deep as antisemitism in the Labour Party. And that's pretty fecking deep.

    They're going to win by three wickets.
    Not while Rashid is bowling.
    You mean, they're going to win by four wickets as Rashid is bowling pies that wouldn't get out a club cricketer?

    *looks expectantly at Cricinfo*
    This post hasn’t aged well.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,732
    Jeremy Corbyn: Labour will support Brexit referendum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47392018
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    It's very clear - 'Please please please is this enough to give hope to all the various Labour factions, large and small?'
    I'd have expected you of all people to point out the technical logical consistency of those positions
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