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I think Remainers use the word 'tinged'....Philip_Thompson said:
Well yes during the referendum a number of Remainers were making the argument that FoM was good because it was Europeans moving and the objectionable migration was that from Africa and the Middle East etcTheuniondivvie said:
So blindingly obvious that Leavers strenuously avoid mentioning it?Philip_Thompson said:
Its blindingly obvious isn't it?Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
There is also xenophobia in the hearts of *some* of those who voted Remain too.
Can you give some sort of analysis of Remain xenophobia (though don't bother if it's some guff about wanting to keep the flow of nice white Europeans going while keeping out Africans, Asians etc BECAUSE THEY'RE BROWN/YELLOW/BLACK)?0 -
Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...0
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From Wilkipedia:
'Short Money is made available to all opposition parties in the House of Commons that secured either at least two seats or one seat and more than 150,000 votes at the previous general election. '
On that basis the Independent Group does not appear to qualify.0 -
I reckon abstention a la Woodcock and Ivan Lewis.Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1097828493075890176Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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As I may have pointed out before it's in fact a very useful term in the UK, based as it is in on ambiguities, unwritten rules, hypocrisy and equivocation. The UK is apparently a state, country and nation made up of 2 other countries, a principality and a province of which at least 3 regularly describe themselves as countries and nations (the English up until recently have had problems distinguishing between England and the UK/Britain, but they seem to be getting over that) and the other describes itself as a nation when conjoined with its land neighbour on a rugby field. If it wasn't for the ambiguity such a contradiction would have been laughed out of existence years ago.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.0 -
Given what was said yesterday, I do not see how they could vote for a prospective Corbyn government.Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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It would make Corbyn's day to be able to accuse them of having propped up the Tories!rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1097828493075890176Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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I agree with that - but still think they would have to vote to bring down May.AlastairMeeks said:
Given what was said yesterday, I do not see how they could vote for a prospective Corbyn government.Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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All these folk who've been calling for Trigger Ballots, and instead they've ended up with Tigger Ballots.
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A positive abstention of voting against both would have a very different effect to abstaining altogether.Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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Rumours that she flirted with SDP1 have been around for years, although she denies ever being a member.Sandpit said:
They’re adding Anna Soubry to Sarah Wollaston and Heidi Allen. Unlike the others, who’d be happy in the Lib Dems and could well defect, Anna is a standard Conservative on any subject other than Brexit - she’s Ken Clarke’s younger sister in that respect.felix said:
And deleting references to her Conservatism from her twitter feed yesterday reveals at least a mischievous sense of humour.0 -
Leavers were exultant parading behind race-baiting posters as a core part of their campaign. The country is blighted as a consequence, and will be for many years to come.TudorRose said:
I think Remainers use the word 'tinged'....Philip_Thompson said:
Well yes during the referendum a number of Remainers were making the argument that FoM was good because it was Europeans moving and the objectionable migration was that from Africa and the Middle East etcTheuniondivvie said:
So blindingly obvious that Leavers strenuously avoid mentioning it?Philip_Thompson said:
Its blindingly obvious isn't it?Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
There is also xenophobia in the hearts of *some* of those who voted Remain too.
Can you give some sort of analysis of Remain xenophobia (though don't bother if it's some guff about wanting to keep the flow of nice white Europeans going while keeping out Africans, Asians etc BECAUSE THEY'RE BROWN/YELLOW/BLACK)?
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But given the FTPA, that wouldn't be a barrier to voting against the government in a confidence vote because they could then dictate terms for a Con-TIG confidence and supply agreement.AlastairMeeks said:
Given what was said yesterday, I do not see how they could vote for a prospective Corbyn government.Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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I agree with that.williamglenn said:
But given the FTPA, that wouldn't be a barrier to voting against the government in a confidence vote because they could then dictate terms for a Con-TIG confidence and supply agreement.AlastairMeeks said:
Given what was said yesterday, I do not see how they could vote for a prospective Corbyn government.Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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Aren't you wonderful? Predicting here two days agoSeanT said:
It is clearly, in part, Brexit, even if that is only a small part. What is more important - and as I predicted here two days ago - is that it is being reported and perceived as Brexit: because it is Project Fear coming true, bigtime, and for the first time.MaxPB said:
I think it is brexit. The government hasn't created the conditions for companies to invest in electric vehicle manufacturing in the UK. We've got a huge cloud over our future trading relationships and just as the industry is about to go through huge changes the government aren't even in first gear, they've stalled the car. I put the blame on Liam Fox and the idiots who didn't vote through the PM's deal.Slackbladder said:
yep, this much more about electric cars, than Brexit. The entire automotive industry will be changed in the next few decades.CarlottaVance said:Honda announcement:
https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2019/c190219beng.html
19 February, 2019 - Honda has today announced it will restructure its global manufacturing network. This restructure comes as Honda accelerates its commitment to electrified cars, in response to the unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry. The significant challenges of electrification will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations, and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes.
No mention of the 'B' word.....
Question now is what effect this will have on parliamentary and public opinion. If we see a big swing to Remain, then that will surely influence MPs.
I have absolutely no idea if this will happen. Brexit is so imponderable.
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All of the Independent Group either voted for the Iraq war or against an investigation into it.
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Labour TIGGERs like CU have a much better chance of retaining seats after a GE than any likely joiners from the Cons.
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Debated here yesterday. Consensus a likely abstention, possibly along the same lines as the LibDems to turn the matter back on Corbyn's failure to back a people's vote.Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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Labour losing Streatham ? I'll believe it when I see it. Kate Hoey's win in Vauxhall was proof plum pudding that people prioritise the Labour mark over any 'individual' vote.TGOHF said:Labour TIGGERs like CU have a much better chance of retaining seats after a GE than any likely joiners from the Cons.
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Even the ones who weren't MPs at the time? Impressive.DonTsInferno_ said:All of the Independent Group either voted for the Iraq war or against an investigation into it.
Gavin Shuker was 21 when the Iraq War broke out, and the Chilcot Inquiry already sitting when he entered the Commons in 2010.0 -
That doesn't surprise me - they're the Continuity Blairites.DonTsInferno_ said:All of the Independent Group either voted for the Iraq war or against an investigation into it.
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If they voted against the Conservative government, and against a Labour government, then they’d be voting for an election in which they’ve got very little organisation and funding as a group of independents. What do they do if we get an election in the summer?AlastairMeeks said:
Given what was said yesterday, I do not see how they could vote for a prospective Corbyn government.Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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They're betting on this not happening.Sandpit said:
If they voted against the Conservative government, and against a Labour government, then they’d be voting for an election in which they’ve got very little organisation and funding as a group of independents. What do they do if we get an election in the summer?AlastairMeeks said:
Given what was said yesterday, I do not see how they could vote for a prospective Corbyn government.Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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If those are the criteria they have tons of potential recruits still to come over.DonTsInferno_ said:All of the Independent Group either voted for the Iraq war or against an investigation into it.
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Look for new jobs.Sandpit said:
If they voted against the Conservative government, and against a Labour government, then they’d be voting for an election in which they’ve got very little organisation and funding as a group of independents. What do they do if we get an election in the summer?AlastairMeeks said:
Given what was said yesterday, I do not see how they could vote for a prospective Corbyn government.Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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Does wanting to overturn the referendum result narrow it down any further?IanB2 said:
If those are the criteria they have tons of potential recruits still to come over.DonTsInferno_ said:All of the Independent Group either voted for the Iraq war or against an investigation into it.
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They must already know that there's a very good chance that all of them will lose their seats anyway, whether the next election is in 2019 or 2022. This does mean that they are likely to seek to engage in horse-trading over their support - confidence in return for a referendum I would think. (EDIT: But also means that they've somewhat reconciled themselves to losing their seats already. So they've lost their fear).Sandpit said:
If they voted against the Conservative government, and against a Labour government, then they’d be voting for an election in which they’ve got very little organisation and funding as a group of independents. What do they do if we get an election in the summer?AlastairMeeks said:
Given what was said yesterday, I do not see how they could vote for a prospective Corbyn government.Richard_Nabavi said:Not sure if this has been covered - but how would the TIGers vote in a formal vote of confidence either in Theresa May's government, or a prospective Corbyn government? It could become a very important question...
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The cynic might be focusing on the upside for internal party management, rather than any impact on how the rest of the world views them. But granted, it's a moot point whether JC and Co care about that.Cyclefree said:
A cynic might say that if all the Blairites and Jews leave Labour, so much the better for Corbyn and his followers. The fewer of them there are the less he has to worry about them. After all, if there are no Jewish labour MPs left, then the problem of them being harrassed by anti-Semites goes away, doesn’t it. I don’t think that Corbyn and his coterie are really very disappointed at all at losing these MPs. And would probably not be disappointed to lose more like them.Harris_Tweed said:
The timing of it coming out feels sub-optimal for Labour. If its message is "broad church, serious contenders for power with an ambitious but realistic socialist platform", it's not a great look losing 7 Blairites and welcoming back Degsy on the same day.Cyclefree said:
Corbyn was against expelling Militant Tendency members back in the 1980’s. So it is entirely in keeping with his views that people like Hatton would be let back in.felix said:
That's correct. Interestingly Mcdonnell much more conciliatory today suggesting they're rattled. The Hatton thing however is grotesque and shows the true direction of travel.SouthamObserver said:It's pretty simple: if Labour was the broad church it used to be fools like Richard Burgon and Barry Gardiner would not be on the front bench and the likes of Cooper, Benn, Nandy and Lammy would be in the shadow cabinet.
Of course, if its message is "up the revolution, screw the Tories", then carry on.
The most shocking fact I learnt yesterday is that Corbyn has not spoken to Luciana Berger since 2017. That is a shocking failure of leadership on every level.0 -
Who were they?david_herdson said:
Even the ones who weren't MPs at the time? Impressive.DonTsInferno_ said:All of the Independent Group either voted for the Iraq war or against an investigation into it.
Gavin Shuker was 21 when the Iraq War broke out, and the Chilcot Inquiry already sitting when he entered the Commons in 2010.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24847/gavin_shuker/luton_south/votes0 -
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.0 -
That is fair comment.Theuniondivvie said:
As I may have pointed out before it's in fact a very useful term in the UK, based as it is in on ambiguities, unwritten rules, hypocrisy and equivocation. The UK is apparently a state, country and nation made up of 2 other countries, a principality and a province of which at least 3 regularly describe themselves as countries and nations (the English up until recently have had problems distinguishing between England and the UK/Britain, but they seem to be getting over that) and the other describes itself as a nation when conjoined with its land neighbour on a rugby field. If it wasn't for the ambiguity such a contradiction would have been laughed out of existence years ago.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.0 -
Might be different in a by-election when fewer people vote and when those that do are more likely to understand why the by-election has occurred.Pulpstar said:
Labour losing Streatham ? I'll believe it when I see it. Kate Hoey's win in Vauxhall was proof plum pudding that people prioritise the Labour mark over any 'individual' vote.TGOHF said:Labour TIGGERs like CU have a much better chance of retaining seats after a GE than any likely joiners from the Cons.
But a GE is very different, as shown in Rochester and Strood in 2015.0 -
Or more accurately, Brexit is bad for Honda.SeanT said:
You had to be here (and it was yesterday, I confess - there's so much news packed into every day, an hour feels like a week). Quite a few PB Leavers were saying Honda was a minor story, and would be overshadowed by the Gang of 7, and anyway it didn't matter, Honda were quitting for other reasons - this was to me far too blithe a reaction. Honda is Bad for Brexit.PeterMannion said:
Aren't you wonderful? Predicting here two days agoSeanT said:
It is clearly, in part, Brexit, even if that is only a small part. What is more important - and as I predicted here two days ago - is that it is being reported and perceived as Brexit: because it is Project Fear coming true, bigtime, and for the first time.MaxPB said:
I think it is brexit. The government hasn't created the conditions for companies to invest in electric vehicle manufacturing in the UK. We've got a huge cloud over our future trading relationships and just as the industry is about to go through huge changes the government aren't even in first gear, they've stalled the car. I put the blame on Liam Fox and the idiots who didn't vote through the PM's deal.Slackbladder said:
yep, this much more about electric cars, than Brexit. The entire automotive industry will be changed in the next few decades.CarlottaVance said:Honda announcement:
https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2019/c190219beng.html
19 February, 2019 - Honda has today announced it will restructure its global manufacturing network. This restructure comes as Honda accelerates its commitment to electrified cars, in response to the unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry. The significant challenges of electrification will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations, and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes.
No mention of the 'B' word.....
Question now is what effect this will have on parliamentary and public opinion. If we see a big swing to Remain, then that will surely influence MPs.
I have absolutely no idea if this will happen. Brexit is so imponderable.
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An interesting day:
1) Honda announce they're shutting Swindon. Well of course its about Brexit. They need to invest to electrify, Swindon's costs likely to surge thanks to Brexit, Japan's costs to reduce thanks to FTA. Play it safe, build at home
2) Gove confirms tariffs on Food imports. Confirms what businesses like mine (food manufacturer) had feared. Also demolishes the guff about no delays or paperwork at the border - both sides will impose a border the minute we crash out.
3) Cretins in the Labour Party seem angry at the 7 scabs. Having screamed at "the 172" and "the chicken coupers" for years, wanting them all deselected and replaced by "true socialists" they seem confused that now these MPs have done what they asked that they are still MPs.
I also note how Corbyn "supporters" continue to demonstrate their support by doing the direct opposite of what Corbyn and his team ask of them.0 -
It is a bullshit meme from Corbynites.david_herdson said:
Even the ones who weren't MPs at the time? Impressive.DonTsInferno_ said:All of the Independent Group either voted for the Iraq war or against an investigation into it.
Gavin Shuker was 21 when the Iraq War broke out, and the Chilcot Inquiry already sitting when he entered the Commons in 2010.
As you say the likes of Shuker, Umunna, and Berger weren't even MPs in 2003, and some of them didn't enter Parliament until 2010, so they couldn't have voted against Chilcot either.
The Corbynites and the useful idiots are using this vote from 2016, which was mostly an SNP partisan move to spin this fake news.
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National Farmers' Union President Minette Batters says a no-deal Brexit is "the stuff of nightmares".0
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I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.0 -
Given at least 3 of them entered Parliament in 2010, 6 years after the war, and while Chilcot was already sitting, that is palpably untrueDonTsInferno_ said:All of the Independent Group either voted for the Iraq war or against an investigation into it.
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The best part is the market is "General election constituency betting", so even if Chuka wins as an independent in a BE the bet is still a good one !tlg86 said:
Might be different in a by-election when fewer people vote and when those that do are more likely to understand why the by-election has occurred.Pulpstar said:
Labour losing Streatham ? I'll believe it when I see it. Kate Hoey's win in Vauxhall was proof plum pudding that people prioritise the Labour mark over any 'individual' vote.TGOHF said:Labour TIGGERs like CU have a much better chance of retaining seats after a GE than any likely joiners from the Cons.
But a GE is very different, as shown in Rochester and Strood in 2015.0 -
How many of them voted either against the Iraq War or for an investigation...DonTsInferno_ said:All of the Independent Group either voted for the Iraq war or against an investigation into it.
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The Home Secretary has written to his EU counterparts warning of joint policing 'disruption'0
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Mystified by this. How exactly does Scotland convey its countrihood to the >10 min visitor?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.0 -
The Corbynite propaganda machine not being truthful, whatever next....incoming BJO with his dodgy edited video "proving" Jezza stands up to anti-semites.0
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Through their monopoly money.Ishmael_Z said:
Mystified by this. How exactly does Scotland convey its countrihood to the >10 min visitor?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
Which as I'm finding out today, is an arse to use in England.0 -
Lincoln 1973tlg86 said:
Might be different in a by-election when fewer people vote and when those that do are more likely to understand why the by-election has occurred.Pulpstar said:
Labour losing Streatham ? I'll believe it when I see it. Kate Hoey's win in Vauxhall was proof plum pudding that people prioritise the Labour mark over any 'individual' vote.TGOHF said:Labour TIGGERs like CU have a much better chance of retaining seats after a GE than any likely joiners from the Cons.
But a GE is very different, as shown in Rochester and Strood in 2015.0 -
Subsidy junkies.IanB2 said:National Farmers' Union President Minette Batters says a no-deal Brexit is "the stuff of nightmares".
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Add in their silly Gaylick signs and their complete lack of cycle infrastructure and it does feel a very different place to England.TheScreamingEagles said:
Through their monopoly money.Ishmael_Z said:
Mystified by this. How exactly does Scotland convey its countrihood to the >10 min visitor?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
Which as I'm finding out today, is an arse to use in England.
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National Liberals surely - weren’t both Heseltine and Nott NLs?ydoethur said:
I'm inclined to agree with the thread header though. This gives them more options at a time when politics is in a state of flux.OldKingCole said:It's certainly lower key than the Limehouse Declaration. And, as I recall, there were a lot more positive vibes about then.
I don't think it will go anywhere though. They seem more Unionist Free Traders or National Labour to me than Liberal Unionist (which was the last splitter party I can think of to have a long and meaningful existence). The best they can realistically hope for is to be Peelites moderating a new Liberal party.
There again the LUs exist in a shadowy underground sort of way - the likes of Hurd, Mathew, Ancram and Clashfern were all LUs.0 -
It's not just a failure of leadership, it's a shocking failure of human decency. It shows him to be small-minded and petty, to nurse grievances, rather than to try and reach out. He can't even talk to his own MPs. How many other Labour MPs are there who are being snubbed?Cyclefree said:The most shocking fact I learnt yesterday is that Corbyn has not spoken to Luciana Berger since 2017. That is a shocking failure of leadership on every level.
I've been prepared to give Corbyn the benefit of the doubt and a chance to prove the doubters wrong. I thought it was unfair for people to criticise Corbyn from day 1. Well, it's day 1256 now and that's more than enough for me. I have no time left for him.0 -
I was saying yesterday that a grain merchant I spoke to over the weekend told me that not a vessel of wheat has traded for after March 29th.RochdalePioneers said:An interesting day:
2) Gove confirms tariffs on Food imports. Confirms what businesses like mine (food manufacturer) had feared. Also demolishes the guff about no delays or paperwork at the border - both sides will impose a border the minute we crash out.
Also he said don't be a sheep if we have no deal...0 -
So we are now they?TGOHF said:
Add in their silly Gaylick signs and their complete lack of cycle infrastructure and it does feel a very different place to England.TheScreamingEagles said:
Through their monopoly money.Ishmael_Z said:
Mystified by this. How exactly does Scotland convey its countrihood to the >10 min visitor?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
Which as I'm finding out today, is an arse to use in England.
Congratulations on becoming the full English. Was there a ceremony?0 -
Suggested name for the Tiggers:
The Liberal Social Democratic Party
LSD Party for short.0 -
Better than one with a pro-Palestinian leader, presumably.OldKingCole said:
Would they tie up with a Party with a part-Palestinian leader, though?Tissue_Price said:
(For late viewers joining us, the Conservative Party is infiltrated by anti-business forces crashing the economy to bolster their SIPPs and the Labour party is an antisemitic Petri dish. Do not adjust your sets, this is really happening)0 -
They were more prescient than many of us natives about the prospect of leaving.Rexel56 said:
I was European FD for one of the big Japanese electronics companies in the 80s and 90s. Whilst they are now more diverse in their senior management ranks, I would have thought that some of the old ways of thinking persist. And that doesn’t bode well for the U.K. The Japanese corporations compete fiercely in their day-to-day operations but act together far more strategically. The Japanese Government always played a key role in setting the long term strategic ambitions for exports and overseas presence. If Japan plc has decided to withdraw from U.K. manufacturing then, whilst each corporation will set its own timetable, the end game will be the same.williamglenn said:How the Honda decision is being reported in Asia:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Honda-to-shut-UK-plant-by-2022-in-another-Brexit-retreat
Honda to shut UK plant by 2022 in another Brexit retreat
The prospect of Brexit, scheduled for March 29, added yet more uncertainty to a business already mired in red ink. While peer automakers are planning more moderate measures such as temporary stoppages in light of Brexit-linked uncertainty, Honda plans to go a step further by shutting down its only production site in Europe.
Other international companies, including Japanese electronics makers Panasonic and Sony, plan to relocate certain British operations to the European mainland.
One final point, the Japanese preferred the U.K. for manufacturing and as a base for sales and marketing for many reasons: homogeneity of workforce, language, driving on the right side of the road, willingness of the U.K. government to seeing U.K-owned manufacturing sites bought up by Japanese corps, compliant Unions even willing to enter no-strike deals etc etc. BUT, the contrary factor that frightened them even in the 90s was the thought that the U.K. would become detached from the EU...0 -
That was a very very successful investment. Paid my school fees 😉CarlottaVance said:
an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is.ydoethur said:
You need something to cable before you send a cable.Nigelb said:
Though for Great Uncle Vince, cabling, rather then emailing, seems an entirely appropriate means of communication.ydoethur said:
I'm afraid your comment lost all credibility with that comment.mr-claypole said:Vince Cables strategy
Somebody who cant use apostrophes correctly isnt worth listening to.0 -
Yeah, its own banknotes. Its own education system. Its own legal system. Its own parliament. Its own cricket team... England has none of those things. Plus as others have noted, when Scots refer to Scotland they are never confusing it with the UK, which you cannot always say for the English. I'm not saying this to be anti-English BTW, I have lived in both countries and they're both great and filled with lovely people.TheScreamingEagles said:
Through their monopoly money.Ishmael_Z said:
Mystified by this. How exactly does Scotland convey its countrihood to the >10 min visitor?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
Which as I'm finding out today, is an arse to use in England.0 -
Like button please!SandyRentool said:Suggested name for the Tiggers:
The Liberal Social Democratic Party
LSD Party for short.0 -
Cash is so 20th Century...TheScreamingEagles said:
Through their monopoly money.Ishmael_Z said:
Mystified by this. How exactly does Scotland convey its countrihood to the >10 min visitor?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
Which as I'm finding out today, is an arse to use in England.
I've very rarely had issues using Scottish notes south of the border. Had the occasional quizzical look if the bartender hasn't seen a Scottish twenty before, but usually accepted after explanation.
Once managed to get change for a fiver out of an old Scottish pound note...0 -
And Merthyr 1970, but Simon Danczuk, Rochdale 2017 is probably closer to Chuka's reality.IanB2 said:
Lincoln 1973tlg86 said:
Might be different in a by-election when fewer people vote and when those that do are more likely to understand why the by-election has occurred.Pulpstar said:
Labour losing Streatham ? I'll believe it when I see it. Kate Hoey's win in Vauxhall was proof plum pudding that people prioritise the Labour mark over any 'individual' vote.TGOHF said:Labour TIGGERs like CU have a much better chance of retaining seats after a GE than any likely joiners from the Cons.
But a GE is very different, as shown in Rochester and Strood in 2015.0 -
Every pissing taxi I used in Edinburgh said 'Cash only'.Sweeney74 said:
Cash is so 20th Century...
I've very rarely had issues using Scottish notes south of the border. Had the occasional quizzical look if the bartender hasn't seen a Scottish twenty before, but usually accepted after explanation.
Once managed to get change for a fiver out of an old Scottish pound note...0 -
What the fuck??? thats a MP just casually musing 'they might be paid by the Isreali's' with nothing but a good dose of AS backing it up??SeanT said:
An example of the last, right here. Labour is riddled with this anti-Semitism, like a kind of rot which has spread through a building, unnoticed, until someone had a look in the attic.RochdalePioneers said:An interesting day:
1) Honda announce they're shutting Swindon. Well of course its about Brexit. They need to invest to electrify, Swindon's costs likely to surge thanks to Brexit, Japan's costs to reduce thanks to FTA. Play it safe, build at home
2) Gove confirms tariffs on Food imports. Confirms what businesses like mine (food manufacturer) had feared. Also demolishes the guff about no delays or paperwork at the border - both sides will impose a border the minute we crash out.
3) Cretins in the Labour Party seem angry at the 7 scabs. Having screamed at "the 172" and "the chicken coupers" for years, wanting them all deselected and replaced by "true socialists" they seem confused that now these MPs have done what they asked that they are still MPs.
I also note how Corbyn "supporters" continue to demonstrate their support by doing the direct opposite of what Corbyn and his team ask of them.
https://twitter.com/KateMaltby/status/10978439862225141760 -
Level up and try to spend Northern Irish notes in England.Sweeney74 said:
Cash is so 20th Century...TheScreamingEagles said:
Through their monopoly money.Ishmael_Z said:
Mystified by this. How exactly does Scotland convey its countrihood to the >10 min visitor?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
Which as I'm finding out today, is an arse to use in England.
I've very rarely had issues using Scottish notes south of the border. Had the occasional quizzical look if the bartender hasn't seen a Scottish twenty before, but usually accepted after explanation.
Once managed to get change for a fiver out of an old Scottish pound note...0 -
None!viewcode said:
How many of them voted either against the Iraq War or for an investigation...DonTsInferno_ said:All of the Independent Group either voted for the Iraq war or against an investigation into it.
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I'm still Scottish divvers - I just don't live there as the taxes are too high.Theuniondivvie said:
So we are now they?TGOHF said:
Add in their silly Gaylick signs and their complete lack of cycle infrastructure and it does feel a very different place to England.TheScreamingEagles said:
Through their monopoly money.Ishmael_Z said:
Mystified by this. How exactly does Scotland convey its countrihood to the >10 min visitor?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
Which as I'm finding out today, is an arse to use in England.
Congratulations on becoming the full English. Was there a ceremony?0 -
Indeed.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
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Most of the black cabs now take payment on the app...TheScreamingEagles said:
Every pissing taxi I used in Edinburgh said 'Cash only'.Sweeney74 said:
Cash is so 20th Century...
I've very rarely had issues using Scottish notes south of the border. Had the occasional quizzical look if the bartender hasn't seen a Scottish twenty before, but usually accepted after explanation.
Once managed to get change for a fiver out of an old Scottish pound note...0 -
If Biden runs that hits Harris as he is fishing in the same stream of moderate primary voters, while she deprives him of the black vote. Sanders running hits Warren as he will take left liberal voters from herNigelb said:
Biden hasn't actually declared yet (and there is a whole raft of minnows who haven't either, but quite probably won't now).FrancisUrquhart said:
Is there anybody in the US who isn’t running?OldKingCole said:Just seen. Bernie Sanders IS having another go.
Sanders running makes Biden even more likely to do so, I think.
And it looks good for Harris, as she already has oxygen, and Biden/Sanders will deprive others.0 -
I think it’s building cars physically close to its expected end marketsDecrepitJohnL said:
No B-word but what about the T-word: tautology? Does the phrase focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes mean Honda will build cars where it will build cars?CarlottaVance said:Honda announcement:
https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2019/c190219beng.html
19 February, 2019 - Honda has today announced it will restructure its global manufacturing network. This restructure comes as Honda accelerates its commitment to electrified cars, in response to the unprecedented changes in the global automotive industry. The significant challenges of electrification will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations, and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes.
No mention of the 'B' word.....0 -
Other people use them solely for transport.TheScreamingEagles said:
Every pissing taxi I used in Edinburgh said 'Cash only'.Sweeney74 said:
Cash is so 20th Century...
I've very rarely had issues using Scottish notes south of the border. Had the occasional quizzical look if the bartender hasn't seen a Scottish twenty before, but usually accepted after explanation.
Once managed to get change for a fiver out of an old Scottish pound note...0 -
Decisions get made all the time in the real world, and it is rare that the reasons for them are ever clear cut. But it is pretty clear that Brexit isn't helping. We'd have a lot more options for dealing with this situation if we were in the EU. And the individuals affected would have a better chance of finding work in Europe if freedom of movement were still in place.MarqueeMark said:
Nothing I have read says Honda's decision would have been any different if we had voted to Remain.CarlottaVance said:
“This decision was not informed by Brexit,” said Honda Chief Executive Takahiro Hachigo.williamglenn said:How the Honda decision is being reported in Asia:
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Honda-to-shut-UK-plant-by-2022-in-another-Brexit-retreat
Honda to shut UK plant by 2022 in another Brexit retreat
The prospect of Brexit, scheduled for March 29, added yet more uncertainty to a business already mired in red ink. While peer automakers are planning more moderate measures such as temporary stoppages in light of Brexit-linked uncertainty, Honda plans to go a step further by shutting down its only production site in Europe.
Other international companies, including Japanese electronics makers Panasonic and Sony, plan to relocate certain British operations to the European mainland.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-honda-idUKKCN1Q80KF
Its advocates are going to have to start acknowledging the damage their pet scheme is causing sooner or later.0 -
Not really. If you can find one they're pretty good: the food is cheap and warm and nobody hassles you. Starbucks is overpriced and overcrowded, and the queues are too long.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't such a thing a bit of an oxymoron?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Ha ha, no. Prefer a local greasy spoon with a good hygiene rating.FrancisUrquhart said:
More of a KFC man?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Eugh. My periodic reminder to be thankful, as a Bitter Remoaner and member of the Out Of Touch Metropolitan Liberal Elite, that I never frequent McDonald's.Scott_P said:0 -
You’ll have no problem spending that in Newcastle.TheScreamingEagles said:
Through their monopoly money.Ishmael_Z said:
Mystified by this. How exactly does Scotland convey its countrihood to the >10 min visitor?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
Which as I'm finding out today, is an arse to use in England.0 -
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Well that is a bit of balance to yesterday when the news was being bundled with the local MPs assertion that it was nothing to do with Brexit even though there was no way he could possibly know.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Mark, watched a spot of the BBC news just now. Honda top story. The newsreader repeated the Japanese bigwig's comment that this wasn't anything to do with leaving the EU, though that was mentioned repeatedly throughout, more often than the FTA between the EU and Japan. I don't think diesel's decline was mentioned once.
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I was in such an establishment in Stoke the other week...they put my double espresso in a builders mug! Absolutely outrageous.viewcode said:
Not really. If you can find one they're pretty good: the food is cheap and warm and nobody hassles you. Starbucks is overpriced and overcrowded, and the queues are too long.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't such a thing a bit of an oxymoron?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Ha ha, no. Prefer a local greasy spoon with a good hygiene rating.FrancisUrquhart said:
More of a KFC man?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Eugh. My periodic reminder to be thankful, as a Bitter Remoaner and member of the Out Of Touch Metropolitan Liberal Elite, that I never frequent McDonald's.Scott_P said:0 -
And no problem with NI notes either - I used to have to swap them with an NI colleague in Copenhagen as the one Danish bank didn't even recognise their own notes....Gallowgate said:
You’ll have no problem spending that in Newcastle.TheScreamingEagles said:
Through their monopoly money.Ishmael_Z said:
Mystified by this. How exactly does Scotland convey its countrihood to the >10 min visitor?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
Which as I'm finding out today, is an arse to use in England.0 -
Yep. The judgement of an elderly Tory MP who thinks FGM and upskirting should remain legal.IanB2 said:CCHQ has dismissed a deluge of complaints that Christopher Chope brought the Tory party into disrepute by blocking the FGM and upskirting bills. Tories say he “was carrying out his duties and exercising his judgment”
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One things for certain, any election with any defectors/leavers will be very very dirty affairs.TGOHF said:0 -
Lol.IanB2 said:
Other people use them solely for transport.TheScreamingEagles said:
Every pissing taxi I used in Edinburgh said 'Cash only'.Sweeney74 said:
Cash is so 20th Century...
I've very rarely had issues using Scottish notes south of the border. Had the occasional quizzical look if the bartender hasn't seen a Scottish twenty before, but usually accepted after explanation.
Once managed to get change for a fiver out of an old Scottish pound note...
Though I believe the standard puking surcharge in Glasgow (much applied over Xmas/New Year) is around £50.0 -
There is potential for a number of interesting betting markets.
I'd actually make Chuka a slight favourite to win a by election and an underdog in a GE. 6/4 Labour is good value obviously.
Leslie would also have a decent chance; as his network crosses party lines and there is a good chance one or both of the Tories and LDs would stand aside. Berger might Possibly be able to do a 'Blaneau Gwent' and overturn the huge inbuilt Lab majority with a sympathy groundswell, but it looks unlikely.
Otherwise all their seats will revert to being safely Labour under any circumstances, apart from Penistone and Stocksbridge which, assuming Angela Smith stands against a Labour candidate, will almost certainly see a split vote and a Tory victory.
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Ha, schoolboy error. That why trains from Scotland to London have buffet cars, to get rid of the funny money before we have to offer them to a cabbie at the other end.TheScreamingEagles said:
Through their monopoly money.Ishmael_Z said:
Mystified by this. How exactly does Scotland convey its countrihood to the >10 min visitor?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
Which as I'm finding out today, is an arse to use in England.0 -
£2.70 for a coffee - just bog standard black coffee (americano). It's extraordinary. And millions upon millions of people buy them every day. The other day I was at a station and because time was short I ordered an americano from Starbucks. He said £2.70 and I said no sorry I can't do it and walked out.FrancisUrquhart said:
I was in such an establishment in Stoke the other week...they put my double espresso in a builders mug!viewcode said:
Not really. If you can find one they're pretty good: the food is cheap and warm and nobody hassles you. Starbucks is overpriced and overcrowded, and the queues are too long.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't such a thing a bit of an oxymoron?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Ha ha, no. Prefer a local greasy spoon with a good hygiene rating.FrancisUrquhart said:
More of a KFC man?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Eugh. My periodic reminder to be thankful, as a Bitter Remoaner and member of the Out Of Touch Metropolitan Liberal Elite, that I never frequent McDonald's.Scott_P said:
The last time I did that was over 15 years ago when the Troubadour on the Old Brompton Road tried to charge £6 for a very small tub of potato salad.
Just so everyone knows.0 -
Wollaston, Totnes could be the interesting one if offered. The Lib Dems might not run, or run a paper candidate, against her if she runs as an independent.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Is the Conservative one the value there? Labour were about double the Tories in 2015, so if Chuka and Labour split exactly 50:50 the blues could squeak in. Not very likely, but 25 to 1 is a good price.AlastairMeeks said:
I might risk a tenner.0 -
Sam Harris has an interesting bit about this...that so many people will happily spend $5 a day in Starbucks, but asked to pay $5-10 a month for some service they complain like crazy.TOPPING said:
£2.70 for a coffee - just bog standard black coffee (americano). It's extraordinary. And millions upon millions of people buy them every day. The other day I was at a station and because time was short I ordered an americano from Starbucks. He said £2.70 and I said no sorry I can't do it and walked out.FrancisUrquhart said:
I was in such an establishment in Stoke the other week...they put my double espresso in a builders mug!viewcode said:
Not really. If you can find one they're pretty good: the food is cheap and warm and nobody hassles you. Starbucks is overpriced and overcrowded, and the queues are too long.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't such a thing a bit of an oxymoron?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Ha ha, no. Prefer a local greasy spoon with a good hygiene rating.FrancisUrquhart said:
More of a KFC man?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Eugh. My periodic reminder to be thankful, as a Bitter Remoaner and member of the Out Of Touch Metropolitan Liberal Elite, that I never frequent McDonald's.Scott_P said:
The last time I did that was over 15 years ago when the Troubadour on the Old Brompton Road tried to charge £6 for a very small tub of potato salad.
Just so everyone knows.0 -
Looking at their recent retweets I reckon both Soubry and Wollaston are going to jump.0
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Don't. The Tories won't win Streatham, it's way less than a 4% chance.Recidivist said:
Is the Conservative one the value there? Labour were about double the Tories in 2015, so if Chuka and Labour split exactly 50:50 the blues could squeak in. Not very likely, but 25 to 1 is a good price.AlastairMeeks said:
I might risk a tenner.0 -
Yes it's funny isn't it. I must say that my hand has hovered over the Graun's subscription as it is my sort of go to news provider, but I haven't done so yet.FrancisUrquhart said:
Sam Harris has an interesting bit about this...that so many people will happily spend $5 a day in Starbucks, but asked to pay $5-10 a month for some service they complain like crazy.TOPPING said:
£2.70 for a coffee - just bog standard black coffee (americano). It's extraordinary. And millions upon millions of people buy them every day. The other day I was at a station and because time was short I ordered an americano from Starbucks. He said £2.70 and I said no sorry I can't do it and walked out.FrancisUrquhart said:
I was in such an establishment in Stoke the other week...they put my double espresso in a builders mug!viewcode said:
Not really. If you can find one they're pretty good: the food is cheap and warm and nobody hassles you. Starbucks is overpriced and overcrowded, and the queues are too long.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't such a thing a bit of an oxymoron?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Ha ha, no. Prefer a local greasy spoon with a good hygiene rating.FrancisUrquhart said:
More of a KFC man?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Eugh. My periodic reminder to be thankful, as a Bitter Remoaner and member of the Out Of Touch Metropolitan Liberal Elite, that I never frequent McDonald's.Scott_P said:
The last time I did that was over 15 years ago when the Troubadour on the Old Brompton Road tried to charge £6 for a very small tub of potato salad.
Just so everyone knows.0 -
I see what you did there...IanB2 said:
Other people use them solely for transport.TheScreamingEagles said:
Every pissing taxi I used in Edinburgh said 'Cash only'.Sweeney74 said:
Cash is so 20th Century...
I've very rarely had issues using Scottish notes south of the border. Had the occasional quizzical look if the bartender hasn't seen a Scottish twenty before, but usually accepted after explanation.
Once managed to get change for a fiver out of an old Scottish pound note... 0 -
The Brexit party winning Streatham? 200/1.Recidivist said:
Is the Conservative one the value there? Labour were about double the Tories in 2015, so if Chuka and Labour split exactly 50:50 the blues could squeak in. Not very likely, but 25 to 1 is a good price.AlastairMeeks said:
I might risk a tenner.0 -
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Claire Wright in East Devon might affiliate with them.Pulpstar said:
Wollaston, Totnes could be the interesting one if offered. The Lib Dems might not run, or run a paper candidate, against her if she runs as an independent.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
One issue with the digital content model is fragmentation of the market. If you pay for Spotify you basically get everything, however that isn't true for most of the digital space.TOPPING said:
Yes it's funny isn't it. I must say that my hand has hovered over the Graun's subscription as it is my sort of go to news provider, but I haven't done so yet.FrancisUrquhart said:
Sam Harris has an interesting bit about this...that so many people will happily spend $5 a day in Starbucks, but asked to pay $5-10 a month for some service they complain like crazy.TOPPING said:
£2.70 for a coffee - just bog standard black coffee (americano). It's extraordinary. And millions upon millions of people buy them every day. The other day I was at a station and because time was short I ordered an americano from Starbucks. He said £2.70 and I said no sorry I can't do it and walked out.FrancisUrquhart said:
I was in such an establishment in Stoke the other week...they put my double espresso in a builders mug!viewcode said:
Not really. If you can find one they're pretty good: the food is cheap and warm and nobody hassles you. Starbucks is overpriced and overcrowded, and the queues are too long.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't such a thing a bit of an oxymoron?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Ha ha, no. Prefer a local greasy spoon with a good hygiene rating.FrancisUrquhart said:
More of a KFC man?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Eugh. My periodic reminder to be thankful, as a Bitter Remoaner and member of the Out Of Touch Metropolitan Liberal Elite, that I never frequent McDonald's.Scott_P said:
The last time I did that was over 15 years ago when the Troubadour on the Old Brompton Road tried to charge £6 for a very small tub of potato salad.
Just so everyone knows.
You pay for Netflix and yet you still don't get loads of things (and now Disney have pulled their stuff and launch their own service, it will be even less). All these paywalled newspaper services...they would be much better getting together and offering "News Inc", where you paid $10 a month and go access to a range of newspapers, the Times, Guardian, Washington Post etc.0 -
Just checked that out. I think you are right.IanB2 said:Looking at their recent retweets I reckon both Soubry and Wollaston are going to jump.
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Yes, good catch.Recidivist said:
Just checked that out. I think you are right.IanB2 said:Looking at their recent retweets I reckon both Soubry and Wollaston are going to jump.
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Buffet car? First Class has a complementary at seat service why would you go to the buffet car?Sandpit said:
Ha, schoolboy error. That why trains from Scotland to London have buffet cars, to get rid of the funny money before we have to offer them to a cabbie at the other end.TheScreamingEagles said:
Through their monopoly money.Ishmael_Z said:
Mystified by this. How exactly does Scotland convey its countrihood to the >10 min visitor?OnlyLivingBoy said:
I don't know, I have never been there. Scotland is certainly more of a country than England is.david_herdson said:
Is Quebec?OnlyLivingBoy said:
Nobody who has spent more than ten minutes in Scotland could deny it is a country.david_herdson said:
"Country" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity; "state" even worse.Theuniondivvie said:
Having had a to-and-fro with various PB Tories/Unionists (tbf I don't think you were one of them) about whether Scotland was in fact a country, I'm fully aware that there are plenty of folk with no time for the concept of certain individual countries.DavidL said:
It would be stupid to pretend otherwise. Similarly, there are people on the other side who genuinely have no time for the concepts of individual countries at all, not even bonny Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
I think that's the first time that I've seen a Leaver admit that there may have been the teeniest bit of xenophobia fluttering the hearts of *some* of those who voted for Leave. Well played.DavidL said:
Why? We are not all the raving xenophobes of your imagination you know.TOPPING said:
Very funny to hear this from a Leaver.DavidL said:
About time. That has been a major drag on their growth for decades.edmundintokyo said:
The other aspect to Japanese companies moving production back to Japan is that Japanese immigration policy is liberalizing very fast.notme2 said:We truly have a stunning jobs miracle. The fact that it is largely unremarked on is maybe a sign of the times.
We are now ironically firmly in the arena of harming economic growth by restricting migration.
Which as I'm finding out today, is an arse to use in England.0
