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On this week’s podcast, Keiran Pedley and Leo Barasi look back at events in a frantic week at Westminster. They debate whether May was right to postpone the meaningful vote, whether a change in leader would have any impact on Brexit negotiations and the prospect of another referendum breaking the parliamentary deadlock.
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Ah go on, I'll be first.0
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I’ll be the first to call for a judge-led inquiry.TheScreamingEagles said:Ah go on, I'll be first.
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I demand a peoples vote confirming that I was first.
On second thoughts, first in the over-55s category. #winninghere0 -
First.. snow i have seen in.... Goettingen...0
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Denied for failure to use an apostrophe in a People's VoteJohn_M said:I demand a peoples vote confirming that I was first.
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Peoples' vote surely.TheScreamingEagles said:
Denied for failure to use an apostrophe in a People's VoteJohn_M said:I demand a peoples vote confirming that I was first.
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FPT. Hope someone mentioned Katja Kipping the leader of Die Linke. She could seize my means of production any day.0
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What if multiple peoples were to be given the vote in this hypothetical referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:
Denied for failure to use an apostrophe in a People's VoteJohn_M said:I demand a peoples vote confirming that I was first.
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It's a fair cop guv'nor. Time to retire to the study with a glass of port and my service pistol.TheScreamingEagles said:
Denied for failure to use an apostrophe in a People's VoteJohn_M said:I demand a peoples vote confirming that I was first.
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I really do hate the ERG and their twins the Corbynistas
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https://twitter.com/ArtyBagger/status/1073336238936088576Theuniondivvie said:We should all have our favourite album playing at the end.
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What a knob.TheScreamingEagles said:I really do hate the ERG and their twins the Corbynistas
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And it really ought to be a library to have the proper effect. If you haven't got one, perhaps a wealthy landowning friend can oblige?John_M said:
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Coldplay or Radiohead?Theuniondivvie said:0 -
OOF
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Well, Jacob only lives down the road from me, I'll give him a bell. Perhaps we could go together.Luckyguy1983 said:
And it really ought to be a library to have the proper effect. If you haven't got one, perhaps a wealthy landowning friend can oblige?John_M said:0 -
Send thoughts and prayers.0 -
Of course SpaceShipTwo is also designed to go up and down safely carrying people on board.TheScreamingEagles said:I really do hate the ERG and their twins the Corbynistas
https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1073338833167634432
V2 was designed to go up and crash down with explosives on board.
Somewhat more complicated adding in landing, people etc rather than just crashing into the ground to explode on impact.0 -
Hope they're rattling this on the decks when Mu pops her head round the door.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/ArtyBagger/status/1073336238936088576Theuniondivvie said:We should all have our favourite album playing at the end.
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You do all realise that former Nazis like Werner von Braun were instrumental in the Saturn V programme?0
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May continuing is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They will continue to fight over Brexit which will dominate 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals will spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy will continue to deteriorate and investment go elsewhere and all this will serve to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible. There is no chance of rebuilding bridges with the DUP so the Tories will probably lose a vote of no confidence and be saddled with May as leader when the next election comes.
You couldn’t make it up. What muppets Tory MPs were not to ditch May whilst they had a chance. They deserve a Corbyn Gov; the rest of us don’t.0 -
One nation, one people.Luckyguy1983 said:
Peoples' vote surely.TheScreamingEagles said:
Denied for failure to use an apostrophe in a People's VoteJohn_M said:I demand a peoples vote confirming that I was first.
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I think everyone knows that Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:You do all realise that former Nazis like Werner von Braun were instrumental in the Saturn V programme?
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63% is better than 51.9%grabcocque said:OOF
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Yes, I suppose so.Benpointer said:
One nation, one people.Luckyguy1983 said:
Peoples' vote surely.TheScreamingEagles said:
Denied for failure to use an apostrophe in a People's VoteJohn_M said:I demand a peoples vote confirming that I was first.
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All good points, except that May not fighting on would leave all of them still valid with the added complication of running a divisive leadership campaign in the remaining few weeks.AmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
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I am sure I have seen a video somewhere of her presenting a Hogmanay special where they somehow persuaded the producers to let billy Mackenzie play Auld Lang Syne, or something similar.Theuniondivvie said:Hope they're rattling this on the decks when Mu pops her head round the door.
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And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
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"Once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down... that's not my department says Wernher von Braun!"Philip_Thompson said:
Of course SpaceShipTwo is also designed to go up and down safely carrying people on board.TheScreamingEagles said:I really do hate the ERG and their twins the Corbynistas
https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1073338833167634432
V2 was designed to go up and crash down with explosives on board.
Somewhat more complicated adding in landing, people etc rather than just crashing into the ground to explode on impact.0 -
I think you'll find his government's policies have closed down the local libraries.John_M said:
Well, Jacob only lives down the road from me, I'll give him a bell. Perhaps we could go together.Luckyguy1983 said:
And it really ought to be a library to have the proper effect. If you haven't got one, perhaps a wealthy landowning friend can oblige?John_M said:
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'Once they go up, who cares vere they come down?Sunil_Prasannan said:You do all realise that former Nazis like Werner von Braun were instrumental in the Saturn V programme?
That's not my department,' says Werner Von Braun.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRyt1ApyVKcScott_P said:I am sure I have seen a video somewhere of her presenting a Hogmanay special where they somehow persuaded the producers to let billy Mackenzie play Auld Lang Syne, or something similar.
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That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
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Loved The Associates/Billy M. so not sure if I'd want to see that.Scott_P said:
I am sure I have seen a video somewhere of her presenting a Hogmanay special where they somehow persuaded the producers to let billy Mackenzie play Auld Lang Syne, or something similar.Theuniondivvie said:Hope they're rattling this on the decks when Mu pops her head round the door.
Edit: actually, I like that.0 -
That sounds painful!AmpfieldAndy said:
lost her manority in the process.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
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Don't look upthread.Theuniondivvie said:Loved The Associates/Billy M. so not sure if I'd want to see that.
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https://twitter.com/mocent0/status/1073345051986669569TheScreamingEagles said:I really do hate the ERG and their twins the Corbynistas
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You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
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https://youtu.be/QEJ9HrZq7RoSunil_Prasannan said:You do all realise that former Nazis like Werner von Braun were instrumental in the Saturn V programme?
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Yep, they had their chance to get rid of May and Hammond - The Terrible Twosome - But they blew it,AmpfieldAndy said:May continuing is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They will continue to fight over Brexit which will dominate 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals will spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy will continue to deteriorate and investment go elsewhere and all this will serve to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible. There is no chance of rebuilding bridges with the DUP so the Tories will probably lose a vote of no confidence and be saddled with May as leader when the next election comes.
You couldn’t make it up. What muppets Tory MPs were not to ditch May whilst they had a chance. They deserve a Corbyn Gov; the rest of us don’t.
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You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
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I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
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I had some English Whiskey this year from the Cotswold distillery, it's very goodScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/ArtyBagger/status/1073336238936088576Theuniondivvie said:We should all have our favourite album playing at the end.
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We all mis-type sometimes:
Labour fears May will only be able to win cosmetic changes to the backstop ..
Easy mistake to make, 'fears' when you mean 'hopes'.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/13/labour-plan-to-throw-kitchen-sink-to-force-may-into-brexit-vote
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https://twitter.com/HappyBritScot/status/1073344247196196864asjohnstone said:I had some English Whiskey this year from the Cotswold distillery, it's very good
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No 'e' in whisky! 'Whiskey' refers to American or Irish muck.asjohnstone said:
I had some English Whiskey this year from the Cotswold distillery, it's very goodScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/ArtyBagger/status/1073336238936088576Theuniondivvie said:We should all have our favourite album playing at the end.
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Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
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Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
You really do not like her poll ratings do you
Conhome is the UKIP in disguise and 63% are against her
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I doubt ContinuityIDS/UKIPHome will be Remainer May's most loyal supporters.AmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
You really do not like her poll ratings do you
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The only poll that matters is one involving voting and she doesn’t do well with the public then. She only won yesterday by dint of the payroll vote.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
You really do not like her poll ratings do you
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It was a clever move by whoever started the rumour about Mrs May standing down within 12 months, because I reckon that may have swung 10 or 15 votes in her favour yesterday. It turns out today it wasn't true and she's only saying she'll stand down "before the next general election".0
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I’ve heard good things about thisScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/HappyBritScot/status/1073344247196196864asjohnstone said:I had some English Whiskey this year from the Cotswold distillery, it's very good
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Fair enough but the HOC will prevail and it will be deal or remain or revokeAmpfieldAndy said:
The only poll is votes and she doesn’t do well with the public then. She only won yesterday by dint of the payroll vote.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
You really do not like her poll ratings do you
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I heard that Con members in many constituency's are refusing to go out and campaign for May and the Tories now.AmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
You really do not like her poll ratings do you
If that snap election does come from a VONC in the New Year who the hell is going to turn out in the rain and snow to canvass for May and Hammond? Especially since Hammond has called all of them "extremists"
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There is no payroll vote... it's a secret ballot.AmpfieldAndy said:
The only poll that matters is one involving voting and she doesn’t do well with the public then. She only won yesterday by dint of the payroll vote.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
You really do not like her poll ratings do you
You can eulogise about her if you wish but I’m bored with your sycophancy now.0 -
I wonder if nadine has sent in her no confidence letter again for Dec 2019...0
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https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/876894066478329857AmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
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And that could be within 12 months.AndyJS said:It was a clever move by whoever started the rumour about Mrs May standing down within 12 months, because I reckon that may have swung 10 or 15 votes in her favour yesterday. It turns out today it wasn't true and she's only saying she'll stand down "before the next general election".
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Labour hold in Harlow.0
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At this point anyone who actually believe's a word Mrs May says is really just playing along with her and looking for an excuse to vote her way.AndyJS said:It was a clever move by whoever started the rumour about Mrs May standing down within 12 months, because I reckon that may have swung 10 or 15 votes in her favour yesterday. It turns out today it wasn't true and she's only saying she'll stand down "before the next general election".
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Yes but it's not the same as definitely meaning 12 months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And that could be within 12 months.AndyJS said:It was a clever move by whoever started the rumour about Mrs May standing down within 12 months, because I reckon that may have swung 10 or 15 votes in her favour yesterday. It turns out today it wasn't true and she's only saying she'll stand down "before the next general election".
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Indeed it is, but payroll MPs aren’t going to vote her out and risk losing their jobs and perks, so regardless of the secret ballot, the payroll vote exists.RobD said:
There is no payroll vote... it's a secret ballot.AmpfieldAndy said:
The only poll that matters is one involving voting and she doesn’t do well with the public then. She only won yesterday by dint of the payroll vote.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
You really do not like her poll ratings do you
You can eulogise about her if you wish but I’m bored with your sycophancy now.0 -
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Fox jr gave me a bottle of Norfolk whisky. Not bad at all!Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/ArtyBagger/status/1073336238936088576Theuniondivvie said:We should all have our favourite album playing at the end.
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Whether you like her or not, the main point of comparison is Corbyn not anyone else in the Tories and whilst leader ratings are considered it will be against him. You are not telling me that May and her dreadful 2017 garnered record support for the Tories, it was all the sensible people voting against him.AmpfieldAndy said:
The only poll that matters is one involving voting and she doesn’t do well with the public then. She only won yesterday by dint of the payroll vote.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
You really do not like her poll ratings do you
You can eulogise about her if you wish but I’m bored with your sycophancy now.0 -
Fair play to her as she accepted the result and wants the party to move onScrapheap_as_was said:I wonder if nadine has sent in her no confidence letter again for Dec 2019...
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For May 200AmpfieldAndy said:
The only poll that matters is one involving voting and she doesn’t do well with the public then. She only won yesterday by dint of the payroll vote.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
You really do not like her poll ratings do you
You can eulogise about her if you wish but I’m bored with your sycophancy now.
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May fight's on, so what ? Well at least there is the karmic retribution to the Tories. The catastrophe unleashed by the Bloomberg speech, the Joffrey having Ned Stark executed of British politics, will at least consume it's author. This has always been about the Conservative Party's lycenthropy over Europe and at least this way they get what they deserve.
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\"Move on" to its doom?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Fair play to her as she accepted the result and wants the party to move onScrapheap_as_was said:I wonder if nadine has sent in her no confidence letter again for Dec 2019...
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Not with Corbyn aroundGIN1138 said:
\"Move on" to its doom?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Fair play to her as she accepted the result and wants the party to move onScrapheap_as_was said:I wonder if nadine has sent in her no confidence letter again for Dec 2019...
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Of course there is do you think talents like Bradley, Brokenshire, Wright, etc would be anywhere near cabinet if they did not shower May with praise every second of the day?RobD said:
There is no payroll vote... it's a secret ballot.AmpfieldAndy said:
The only poll that matters is one involving voting and she doesn’t do well with the public then. She only won yesterday by dint of the payroll vote.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are very bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among voters
As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.
You really do not like her poll ratings do you
You can eulogise about her if you wish but I’m bored with your sycophancy now.0 -
What's Nicola Sturgeon got to do with it?Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
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How are her ratings v Ruth - I really do not know the answer which surprises me somewhatNo_Offence_Alan said:
What's Nicola Sturgeon got to do with it?Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
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A lot of people voted Tory in 2017 because of Corbyn not May and aren’t going to do that again now they have seen how bad she isNemtynakht said:
Whether you like her or not, the main point of comparison is Corbyn not anyone else in the Tories and whilst leader ratings are considered it will be against him. You are not telling me that May and her dreadful 2017 garnered record support for the Tories, it was all the sensible people voting against him.AmpfieldAndy said:
The only poll that matters is one involving voting and she doesn’t do well with the public then. She only won yesterday by dint of the payroll vote. You can eulogise about her if you wish but I’m bored with your sycophancy now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day. As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remain I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among votersAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
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Guardian journalist works overtime to put a negative spin on an improvement in school performance:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/dec/13/sats-test-gap-shows-disadvantaged-pupils-catching-up-with-better-off-peers
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Err - how bad he really isAmpfieldAndy said:
A lot of people voted Tory in 2017 because of Corbyn not May and aren’t going to do that again now they have seen how bad she isNemtynakht said:
Whether you like her or not, the main point of comparison is Corbyn not anyone else in the Tories and whilst leader ratings are considered it will be against him. You are not telling me that May and her dreadful 2017 garnered record support for the Tories, it was all the sensible people voting against him.AmpfieldAndy said:
The only poll that matters is one involving voting and she doesn’t do well with the public then. She only won yesterday by dint of the payroll vote. You can eulogise about her if you wish but I’m bored with your sycophancy now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’vewill they.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remain I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among votersAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
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Cabinet position on the horizonJonathan said:Nicki Morgan has blossomed during Brexit.
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Not original Richard, nicked it from Twitter !Richard_Nabavi said:
Bravo for that!YellowSubmarine said:...Gammondammerung ..
(Not sure the rest of the post makes much sense, but, hey, who cares?)0 -
The Tories have cried wolf too many times. They called Miliband "Red Ed" then nicked a load of his policies. They told us it was a choice between a strong and stable government or a coalition of chaos, and look what we got. Now they say that Corbyn will bankrupt the country meanwhile people talk up "F**k business" Boris.AmpfieldAndy said:
A lot of people voted Tory in 2017 because of Corbyn not May and aren’t going to do that again now they have seen how bad she isNemtynakht said:
Whether you like her or not, the main point of comparison is Corbyn not anyone else in the Tories and whilst leader ratings are considered it will be against him. You are not telling me that May and her dreadful 2017 garnered record support for the Tories, it was all the sensible people voting against him.AmpfieldAndy said:
The only poll that matters is one involving voting and she doesn’t do well with the public then. She only won yesterday by dint of the payroll vote. You can eulogise about her if you wish but I’m bored with your sycophancy now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remain
You really do not like her poll ratings do you
I've voted Conservative all my life and even I might consider sitting this one out - or at least I would if it weren't for the fact I do think Corbyn will be an utter disaster. But I think you're right, many people who voted Conservative in 2017 will abstain this time. It's not about people rushing off to embrace Corbyn with open arms. It's about being so demoralised at this absolute s**tshow of a government that they're not worth getting up and voting for.0 -
From what to what?Jonathan said:Nicki Morgan has blossomed during Brexit.
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Not original Richard, nicked it from Twitter !Richard_Nabavi said:
Bravo for that!YellowSubmarine said:...Gammondammerung ..
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Perhaps they will. Corbyn has hardly set the world alight with his questionable views on Jews and failure to decide to agree with his supporters on BrexitAmpfieldAndy said:
A lot of people voted Tory in 2017 because of Corbyn not May and aren’t going to do that again now they have seen how bad she isNemtynakht said:
Whether you like her or not, the main point of comparison is Corbyn not anyone else in the Tories and whilst leader ratings are considered it will be against him. You are not telling me that May and her dreadful 2017 garnered record support for the Tories, it was all the sensible people voting against him.AmpfieldAndy said:
The only poll that matters is one involving voting and she doesn’t do well with the public then. She only won yesterday by dint of the payroll vote. You can eulogise about her if you wish but I’m bored with your sycophancy now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remainAmpfieldAndy said:
You’ve been smoking too much wacky baccy if you think May’s deal will ever see the light of day. As for her popularity, those will be the same polls that forecast a stomping majority for her at the last election will they.Big_G_NorthWales said:AmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
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Labour and Tories are neck and neck in those polls you’re so fond of so people clearly don’t agree with youBig_G_NorthWales said:
Err - how bad he really isAmpfieldAndy said:
A lot of people voted Tory in 2017 because of Corbyn not May and aren’t going to do that again now they have seen how bad she isNemtynakht said:
Whether you like her or not, the main point of comparison is Corbyn not anyone else in the Tories and whilst leader ratings are considered it will be against him. You are not telling me that May and her dreadful 2017 garnered record support for the Tories, it was all the sensible people voting against him.AmpfieldAndy said:
The only poll that matters is one involving voting and she doesn’t do well with the public then. You can eulogise about her if you wish but I’m bored with your sycophancy now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that is convenient. But it is not one poll it is poll after pollAmpfieldAndy said:
Simply don’t believe them. A big majority of party members want her gone now according to the latest poll from CinHome and those polled would be her most loyal supporters.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not smoke and expect the deal to be put to the country in a referendum on deal or remain You really do not like her poll ratings do youAmpfieldAndy said:
You’vewill they.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are bitter and to be fair I do understand as your dream of no deal disappears into deal or remain I doubt she even thinks about popularity but even so, you cannot name another politician in this country with a higher rating among votersAmpfieldAndy said:
That’s why she lost a 20% lead in the polls in a snap election she called and lost her.majority in the process. Who wants popularity like that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the most popular politician in the CountryAmpfieldAndy said:May fights is a terrible outcome for the Tories. They continue to fight over Brexit which dominates 100% of the political agenda; they continue to be led by a lame duck leader whom no one wants to lead them in the next election because of her appalling campaigning skills and total detachment from people’s lives; rivals spend all their time jockeying for position as power and authority drains from May; Hammond continues as Chancellor solely concerned with blocking no deal preparation whilst the economy deteriorates and investment goes elsewhere and all this serves to make the most hard left and incompetent Labour leadership since Foot look half way credible.
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