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Incorrect. No access for French, Spanish and Dutch fishermen was included in the agreement. Kuensberg pointed this yesterday.grabcocque said:Tough on Scottish fish,
Tough on the causes of Scottish fish0 -
Not what the FT thinksgrabcocque said:So, now we see why the EU were giving May the runaround on the NI backstop.
They were using it as a smokescreen whilst they sneakily dismantled the UK fishing industry without her noticing.
Clever.0 -
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.rcs1000 said:
The US had hardly any free trade deals.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?RochdalePioneers said:I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?0 -
If Mundell goes over fish, surely Ruth D would go with him?
That would be two able, likeable and very electable Scottish Tories gone if so.
I think Ruth going would be pretty seismic for T May's hopes....0 -
Mundell may resign on principle but might he still vote for the agreement on pragmatism?Scott_P said:0 -
Yes, a very important point indeed.Anorak said:
It also ignores the point that trade deals are NOT an unmitigated good.Pulpstar said:
Every journey begins with a small step. If leavers blow this step of actually leaving the EU we'll be tied in forever.RobD said:
While that is true, it doesn't mean the UK is somehow incapable of reaching similar arrangements.Pulpstar said:
In theory your arguments are correct, but the start point of the UK is very different to anywhere else in the world. We start off uniquely entangled from within the EU. This is fundamentally why leaving is difficult and not pain free.Philip_Thompson said:
Try fifth of sixth largest surely? Larger than South Korea.RobD said:
Yes, only the seventh or eighth largest economy on the planet. Tiny.The_Taxman said:
No, the UK is a much smaller entity than the EU. My point with Japan and before that South Korea was that deal was already done on terms that satisfied both sides. The new trade deals post Brexit is fantasy IMO and the much vaunted New Zealand trade deal that Brexiteers always advocated is a drop in the ocean given the size of their economy and population.RochdalePioneers said:I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?
South Korea is another nation that has trade deals with Europe, China, USA, Japan, Asia, Australia etc - virtually the whole world. We don't.
This is why they need to crafted with a great deal of care, which takes a very long time. You are providing access to an internal market to a foreign power who would like noting better than a highly-asymmetric balance of trade in their favour.
Take TTIP for example, though opoonents to this varied from those who wanted to Leave so that our NHS couldn't be sold to the yanks, and those who wanted to Remain so the EU could stand upp to the yanks as our supine politicians would not.
or NAFTA, where Mexico has gained a million manufacturing jobs, but lost over 2 million agricultural ones, feeding both the cartels and contributing to Mexicos obesity crisis.0 -
McVey 60/1 to leave next is great but do you also have Esther to be next leader? I dimly recall a pb fad for backing almost any female MPs to lead their parties? It was after the bloom came off the ex-soldier rose, iirc.TheScreamingEagles said:
Am on her as well, not as impressive at 60/1 though.Pulpstar said:
Isn't McVey due to resign today though ?TheScreamingEagles said:
He was 50/1 (boosted to 60/1) on Oct 18th when I backed and tipped him.Scott_P said:
It's not something I like to mention.0 -
Have McVey and Mundell backed each other to resign and if so when?matt said:TheScreamingEagles said:
This is torture.Scott_P said:
They’re just reporting each other and claiming special insight.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is torture.Scott_P said:0 -
The loss of Ruth Davidson would be catastrophic, and is certainly not outside the realms of possibility, if Mundell is as furious as is being reported, I can't imagine Ruth being any less so.0
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What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?0
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Ruth is not an MP.Bob__Sykes said:If Mundell goes over fish, surely Ruth D would go with him?
That would be two able, likeable and very electable Scottish Tories gone if so.
I think Ruth going would be pretty seismic for T May's hopes....0 -
How could Gove accept a poor deal on fish?Alistair said:
They are looking for Fudge but want to be seen talking tough about Fish.CarlottaVance said:
Or not.Tissue_Price said:TSE could be getting paid:
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1062718813488070656
https://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/1062722201886044161?s=21
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What about Swiss fishermen?Theo said:
Incorrect. No access for French, Spanish and Dutch fishermen was included in the agreement. Kuensberg pointed this yesterday.grabcocque said:Tough on Scottish fish,
Tough on the causes of Scottish fish0 -
Free Trade is like Fair Taxes, very much in the eye of the beholder!Philip_Thompson said:
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.rcs1000 said:
The US had hardly any free trade deals.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?RochdalePioneers said:I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?
The USA has a long history of Tariff and non Tariff barriers. The fetishists of Free Trade were mostly nineteenth century Brits, delivering Free Trade via gunboats and sepoys.0 -
It doesn't matter. Ruth is popular, Ruth is smart. Ruth is likeable. Ruth can convince people of her ideas. Ruth is the Tories' great blue hope in Scotland. Ruth is Unionism's last line of defence against a Brexit backlash bouncing Scotland into an Indyref2 yes vote.hamiltonace said:
Ruth is not an MP.Bob__Sykes said:If Mundell goes over fish, surely Ruth D would go with him?
That would be two able, likeable and very electable Scottish Tories gone if so.
I think Ruth going would be pretty seismic for T May's hopes....
If Ruth goes it would be catastrophic to May's standing, and send paroxysms of panic throughout the Tory benches.0 -
FFS. Our economies are not based on exporting natural resources (Australia) or high value manufacturing (S Korea). While we do have a significant financial services sector (like Singapore) it is smaller on a per capita basis by an order of magnitude.Philip_Thompson said:
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.rcs1000 said:
The US had hardly any free trade deals.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?RochdalePioneers said:I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?
We are the UK, and we are complicated and different to all those examples.
They. Do. Not. Apply.0 -
My guess regarding FOM is that we'll end up with a system that is like the Canada-US one. Firms will need to apply (on-line) to get permission to employ EU citizens, but the process will have a presumption of "yes". This will mean the EU will claim that we agreed to FOM, but will ensure that we no longer import Roma Big Issue vendors.welshowl said:
Well I suspect the devil is in the "panel of adjudication" , or whatever it's called, which, if we are led to believe correctly, has supposedly equal representation by UK and EU with an "independent element". Now that might yet be a terminal fly in the ointment, of course. Who or what is "independent". The Hague Court? The UN? Chief Justice of Japan? God knows at this point.CD13 said:Any news about FOM? Is it destined to be the elephant in the room and to die unnoticed?
Another small question … if the UK cannot exit the CU without permission, why would the EU let them?
Also I think (possibly incorrectly of course!) that nothing so far that we think we know, rules out the UK totally or very largely controlling immigration. Now doubtless there would be some horse trading when the Free Trade Deal is being discussed, but Hague this morning (safe to say he probably has an inside line) was pretty clear about control over FOM, and over CFP, and CAP, meaning in fairness, the EU might be a tad wary of keeping the UK too snug in a customs union with that kind of leeway, or the likes or Orban, and others might start fingering the small print and stroking their chins.0 -
Meanwhile the migration convoy has reached the border it seems. Might be good for Trump.0
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You've been had. That relates to the UK-wide customs union backstop. It is not a deal that will ever be implemented as is.Theo said:
Incorrect. No access for French, Spanish and Dutch fishermen was included in the agreement. Kuensberg pointed this yesterday.grabcocque said:Tough on Scottish fish,
Tough on the causes of Scottish fish0 -
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts
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Why do I feel a segue into fish-related puns coming on. Where's the Welsh Doctor when you need him?Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts
EDIT: I see Pulpstar has kicked things off.0 -
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He knows his plaice.Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
... but it's what the Scot Tories are talking about.williamglenn said:
You've been had. That relates to the UK-wide customs union backstop. It is not a deal that will ever be implemented as is.Theo said:
Incorrect. No access for French, Spanish and Dutch fishermen was included in the agreement. Kuensberg pointed this yesterday.grabcocque said:Tough on Scottish fish,
Tough on the causes of Scottish fish
The future partnership hasn't been decided yet, so even grabcocque must accept we haven't been short sold on it0 -
REUTERS COLON WE STILL PUT THINGS IN CAPS EVEN THOUGH TWITTER HAS REPLACED TELEGRAM STOPScott_P said:0 -
Yep. She better not be messed around.grabcocque said:
It doesn't matter. Ruth is popular, Ruth is smart. Ruth is likeable. Ruth can convince people of her ideas. Ruth is the Tories' great blue hope in Scotland. Ruth is Unionism's last line of defence against a Brexit backlash bouncing Scotland into an Indyref2 yes vote.hamiltonace said:
Ruth is not an MP.Bob__Sykes said:If Mundell goes over fish, surely Ruth D would go with him?
That would be two able, likeable and very electable Scottish Tories gone if so.
I think Ruth going would be pretty seismic for T May's hopes....
If Ruth goes it would be catastrophic to May's standing, and send paroxysms of panic throughout the Tory benches.0 -
The total population of the countries the US has free trade deals with is tiny. It is - simply - not a very pro-free trade country.Philip_Thompson said:
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.rcs1000 said:
The US had hardly any free trade deals.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?RochdalePioneers said:I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?0 -
He's floundering.Pulpstar said:
He knows his plaice.Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
I wonder if this is a momentous day.
My daughter's sixth birthday.0 -
I backed her as next leader at 100/1 back in April/May 2017.DecrepitJohnL said:
McVey 60/1 to leave next is great but do you also have Esther to be next leader? I dimly recall a pb fad for backing almost any female MPs to lead their parties? It was after the bloom came off the ex-soldier rose, iirc.TheScreamingEagles said:
Am on her as well, not as impressive at 60/1 though.Pulpstar said:
Isn't McVey due to resign today though ?TheScreamingEagles said:
He was 50/1 (boosted to 60/1) on Oct 18th when I backed and tipped him.Scott_P said:
It's not something I like to mention.
Not expecting to collect on that.0 -
The sole reason I'm not making any fish puns is it's neither the time nor the plaice.0
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Happy Birthday Little Miss FensterFenster said:I wonder if this is a momentous day.
My daughter's sixth birthday.0 -
"IMF now says Theresa May’s brexit deal looks better for UK economy than their “best case scenarios” (FTA)"0
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True, but what exactly would Ruth 'go' from - and why? She could oppose the deal perfectly well from her current position.grabcocque said:
It doesn't matter. Ruth is popular, Ruth is smart. Ruth is likeable. Ruth can convince people of her ideas. Ruth is the Tories' great blue hope in Scotland. Ruth is Unionism's last line of defence against a Brexit backlash bouncing Scotland into an Indyref2 yes vote.hamiltonace said:
Ruth is not an MP.Bob__Sykes said:If Mundell goes over fish, surely Ruth D would go with him?
That would be two able, likeable and very electable Scottish Tories gone if so.
I think Ruth going would be pretty seismic for T May's hopes....
If Ruth goes it would be catastrophic to May's standing, and send paroxysms of panic throughout the Tory benches.0 -
Yes, tracing the British quota is a fishy business:Pulpstar said:
He knows his plaice.Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2016/05/15/investigation-big-fish-quota-barons-squeeze-out-small-scale-fishermen/0 -
Politics has just been turbot-charged.Carolus_Rex said:
He's floundering.Pulpstar said:
He knows his plaice.Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
Thank youTheScreamingEagles said:
Happy Birthday Little Miss FensterFenster said:I wonder if this is a momentous day.
My daughter's sixth birthday.
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Our Fisherman's Cooperative already has a literal " No betrayal " Sign up in it's office windows. 25 meters from construction work on new landing facilities with a huge EU flag on the safety fencing because they are funding it. Fishing collision with reality over Brexit is going to be hilarious.0
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If Gove goes someone will be squids in.Carolus_Rex said:
He's floundering.Pulpstar said:
He knows his plaice.Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
Also, the fish contracts are commercial agreements to certain companies / vessels. For example,one Dutch family own a boat (registered in the UK, "owned" by a UK company) has the right to catch 25% of all UK based cod because they have bought out competitors and acquired their quotas.williamglenn said:
You've been had. That relates to the UK-wide customs union backstop. It is not a deal that will ever be implemented as is.Theo said:
Incorrect. No access for French, Spanish and Dutch fishermen was included in the agreement. Kuensberg pointed this yesterday.grabcocque said:Tough on Scottish fish,
Tough on the causes of Scottish fish
They sell all the UK catch abroad to non-EU countries. Please explain how Brexit will solve this....0 -
Happy birthday to Fenster minor.
Mr. Eagles, Mordaunt would be far better as Con leader than McVey.0 -
No but we can be. Australia, South Korea and Singapore all are and we should model ourselves after them not the USA or the continent's dream of having a European USA.rcs1000 said:
The total population of the countries the US has free trade deals with is tiny. It is - simply - not a very pro-free trade country.Philip_Thompson said:
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.rcs1000 said:
The US had hardly any free trade deals.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?RochdalePioneers said:I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?0 -
Sky
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But she couldn't then turn up in the north east come next election going: "Vote for us, we betrayed you on the single issue I secured your vote on - I am powerless".david_herdson said:
True, but what exactly would Ruth 'go' from - and why? She could oppose the deal perfectly well from her current position.grabcocque said:
It doesn't matter. Ruth is popular, Ruth is smart. Ruth is likeable. Ruth can convince people of her ideas. Ruth is the Tories' great blue hope in Scotland. Ruth is Unionism's last line of defence against a Brexit backlash bouncing Scotland into an Indyref2 yes vote.hamiltonace said:
Ruth is not an MP.Bob__Sykes said:If Mundell goes over fish, surely Ruth D would go with him?
That would be two able, likeable and very electable Scottish Tories gone if so.
I think Ruth going would be pretty seismic for T May's hopes....
If Ruth goes it would be catastrophic to May's standing, and send paroxysms of panic throughout the Tory benches.0 -
TheWhiteRabbit said:
"IMF now says Theresa May’s brexit deal looks better for UK economy than their “best case scenarios” (FTA)"
I mean this in the nicest spirit but the IMF might as well have me doing their long-term forecasts. It's finger in the air stuff!TheWhiteRabbit said:"IMF now says Theresa May’s brexit deal looks better for UK economy than their “best case scenarios” (FTA)"
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He will have had his chips, and emerge from No 10 looking a bit battered.David_Evershed said:
If Gove goes someone will be squids in.Carolus_Rex said:
He's floundering.Pulpstar said:
He knows his plaice.Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts
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The EU is funding it - with British taxpayers' money. The bit that they generously give back to us on condition they can plaster their stupid flag everywhere.Yellow_Submarine said:Our Fisherman's Cooperative already has a literal " No betrayal " Sign up in it's office windows. 25 meters from construction work on new landing facilities with a huge EU flag on the safety fencing because they are funding it. Fishing collision with reality over Brexit is going to be hilarious.
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Oh for Gods hake, not another fish pun.AlastairMeeks said:
Politics has just been turbot-charged.Carolus_Rex said:
He's floundering.Pulpstar said:
He knows his plaice.Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
Brits and our legacy continues successfully in countries like Singapore and Australia. SK isn't Commonwealth but has adopted it well. We could and should be a European Singapore.Foxy said:
Free Trade is like Fair Taxes, very much in the eye of the beholder!Philip_Thompson said:
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.rcs1000 said:
The US had hardly any free trade deals.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?RochdalePioneers said:I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?
The USA has a long history of Tariff and non Tariff barriers. The fetishists of Free Trade were mostly nineteenth century Brits, delivering Free Trade via gunboats and sepoys.0 -
Certainly as far as my betfair account goes!Morris_Dancer said:Happy birthday to Fenster minor.
Mr. Eagles, Mordaunt would be far better as Con leader than McVey.
McVey is poisonous, and would mean Labour government nailed on next GE.0 -
"There is a sense that people are coming together and uniting behind the opportunities that lie ahead."Scott_P said:0 -
Well yes - in the same sense that amputation is better than gangrene....Morris_Dancer said:Happy birthday to Fenster minor.
Mr. Eagles, Mordaunt would be far better as Con leader than McVey.
If Mordaunt is the Tory saviour then we better keep Mrs May0 -
Can't see there being (mushy) peas in our time.....Carolus_Rex said:
He will have had his chips, and emerge from No 10 looking a bit battered.David_Evershed said:
If Gove goes someone will be squids in.Carolus_Rex said:
He's floundering.Pulpstar said:
He knows his plaice.Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
Perhaps another GE or Referendum?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
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Of all the cabinet options, McVey would lead to the biggest defeat.Foxy said:
Certainly as far as my betfair account goes!Morris_Dancer said:Happy birthday to Fenster minor.
Mr. Eagles, Mordaunt would be far better as Con leader than McVey.
McVey is poisonous, and would mean Labour government nailed on next GE.0 -
....confirming she will indeed fight off the VONC that she has now been informed has been called.....Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
TM to make a statement outside no 10 at 5.00pm
Maybe?0 -
Of course, but it is worth remembering that it's a lot easier to sign free trade deals if you export largely commodities (Chile, Iceland, Canada, or Australia) than if you have a complex economy that exports things that compete with protected domestic firms.Philip_Thompson said:
No but we can be. Australia, South Korea and Singapore all are and we should model ourselves after them not the USA or the continent's dream of having a European USA.rcs1000 said:
The total population of the countries the US has free trade deals with is tiny. It is - simply - not a very pro-free trade country.Philip_Thompson said:
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.rcs1000 said:
The US had hardly any free trade deals.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?RochdalePioneers said:I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?
This doesn't mean we can't achieve it, or that it isn't a worthy goal. But a read through the average FTA, shows how much many countries protect the very things where we are strongest.0 -
Reminds me of Julius Caesar, around mid-March. They were all behind him too ....williamglenn said:
"There is a sense that people are coming together and uniting behind the opportunities that lie ahead."Scott_P said:0 -
Not yet. I think she'll just kick off Operation Sell The Deal.The_Taxman said:
Perhaps another GE or Referendum?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
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A bad case of Grouper ThinkAlistair said:
Oh for Gods hake, not another fish pun.AlastairMeeks said:
Politics has just been turbot-charged.Carolus_Rex said:
He's floundering.Pulpstar said:
He knows his plaice.Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
I normally rule out GEs but if the DUP withdraws supply we could get one shortly. I'm hoping May is to announce the cabinet has agreed on the draft text though...The_Taxman said:
Perhaps another GE or Referendum?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
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Those only work for the hard of herring.Alistair said:
Oh for Gods hake, not another fish pun.AlastairMeeks said:
Politics has just been turbot-charged.Carolus_Rex said:
He's floundering.Pulpstar said:
He knows his plaice.Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
Sky reporting Penny Mordaunt wanting a free vote0
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Isn't it really easy to get a trade deal with the US if you simply sign up to their boiler plate one which gives the US all the benefits? I'd guess with most countries a trade deal is very easy to get, if you aren't fussed about it actually getting concessions to aid your own trade and are willing to give them whatever they want. I was a bit worried that the Fantastic Dr Fox might be tempted to go around the world signing anything put in front of him.rcs1000 said:
The total population of the countries the US has free trade deals with is tiny. It is - simply - not a very pro-free trade country.Philip_Thompson said:
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.rcs1000 said:
The US had hardly any free trade deals.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?RochdalePioneers said:I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?0 -
"in the nicest spirit" - that must be a nice maltFenster said:TheWhiteRabbit said:"IMF now says Theresa May’s brexit deal looks better for UK economy than their “best case scenarios” (FTA)"
I mean this in the nicest spirit but the IMF might as well have me doing their long-term forecasts. It's finger in the air stuff!TheWhiteRabbit said:"IMF now says Theresa May’s brexit deal looks better for UK economy than their “best case scenarios” (FTA)"
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The government could issue fresh quotas with new requirements, eg, that a certain percentage of the quota required to be landed at UK ports; that the crew included UK citizens; that the boats were not over a certain size, that under competition law no associated companies were to have more than 5% of the rights, etc.Beverley_C said:
Also, the fish contracts are commercial agreements to certain companies / vessels. For example,one Dutch family own a boat (registered in the UK, "owned" by a UK company) has the right to catch 25% of all UK based cod because they have bought out competitors and acquired their quotas.williamglenn said:
You've been had. That relates to the UK-wide customs union backstop. It is not a deal that will ever be implemented as is.Theo said:
Incorrect. No access for French, Spanish and Dutch fishermen was included in the agreement. Kuensberg pointed this yesterday.grabcocque said:Tough on Scottish fish,
Tough on the causes of Scottish fish
They sell all the UK catch abroad to non-EU countries. Please explain how Brexit will solve this....
I remember when my firm was buying prime agricultural farms in Angus and paying more for the milk quota than they were for the land and buildings. It is utterly ridiculous when markets are distorted to such an extent. Milk quota, in those days, was a licence to print money but there was no guarantee that that would always be the case and once we are out of the CFP it will be for us to decide how consents are given out. Unless, of course, we have agreed otherwise.0 -
wasn't that earlier (supposedly)Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Penny Mordaunt wanting a free vote
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IMF reckon it could upgrade us. If it's too good I'm going to be staring an exchange loss at year end in the books here !williamglenn said:
Not yet. I think she'll just kick off Operation Sell The Deal.The_Taxman said:
Perhaps another GE or Referendum?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
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The sole reason for all this is the absence of news.Beverley_C said:
A bad case of Grouper ThinkAlistair said:
Oh for Gods hake, not another fish pun.AlastairMeeks said:
Politics has just been turbot-charged.Carolus_Rex said:
He's floundering.Pulpstar said:
He knows his plaice.Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
"And here is a quote from the Tony Blair speech this afternoon. He described the deal, on the basis of what has been reported about it, as a “capitulation”"
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“I’ve spoken to cabinet and nobody agrees on anything. I’ve had to put up with this bloody bickering for 2 years and I can’t stand it anymore, I’m off - good luck trying to do any better.”?The_Taxman said:
Perhaps another GE or Referendum?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
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Just reported it nowTheWhiteRabbit said:
wasn't that earlier (supposedly)Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Penny Mordaunt wanting a free vote
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I see more House of Fraser closures agreed today. Still not as many as planned pre Administration but already more than Ashley announced as his target when he took over. They are big and prominent holes to fill in provisional city centres.0
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It is interesting strategy and hostage to fortune if somebody quits about the deal. She will look as though she has lost control if someone goes hostile whilst she is on the threshold of No.10!williamglenn said:
Not yet. I think she'll just kick off Operation Sell The Deal.The_Taxman said:
Perhaps another GE or Referendum?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
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If Tracey Crouch's resignation helps lead to a u-turn on FOBT, she should immediately be installed as favourite for next Tory leader...
Seems only fair.0 -
The BBC never notices that when it lauds EU funding - wonder why?SandyRentool said:
The EU is funding it - with British taxpayers' money. The bit that they generously give back to us on condition they can plaster their stupid flag everywhere.Yellow_Submarine said:Our Fisherman's Cooperative already has a literal " No betrayal " Sign up in it's office windows. 25 meters from construction work on new landing facilities with a huge EU flag on the safety fencing because they are funding it. Fishing collision with reality over Brexit is going to be hilarious.
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It has been reversed.Tracey has wonScrapheap_as_was said:If Tracey Crouch's resignation helps lead to a u-turn on FOBT, she should immediately be installed as favourite for next Tory leader...
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He's experienced the piece of cod which passeth all understanding.Pulpstar said:
He knows his plaice.Foxy said:
Gove has promised to make no changes in post Brexit fish quotas.Fenster said:What about Gove? Wasn't his Scottish father's fishing boat story the reason he grew up disliking the EU?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
And yet some folk still wonder why I ramp #Esther4LeaderPulpstar said:
Of all the cabinet options, McVey would lead to the biggest defeat.Foxy said:
Certainly as far as my betfair account goes!Morris_Dancer said:Happy birthday to Fenster minor.
Mr. Eagles, Mordaunt would be far better as Con leader than McVey.
McVey is poisonous, and would mean Labour government nailed on next GE.0 -
You really would not blame hernumbertwelve said:
“I’ve spoken to cabinet and nobody agrees on anything. I’ve had to put up with this bloody bickering for 2 years and I can’t stand it anymore, I’m off - good luck trying to do any better.”?The_Taxman said:
Perhaps another GE or Referendum?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
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I endorse this message..... especially for 600+ to 1 reasonsdavid_herdson said:
I wonder. Tracey Crouch could just have had the most spectacularly successful resignation in history: forced the change in policy she objected to and then invited back into the government within days, and with a promotion to boot?TOPPING said:Has it been confirmed that those two have resigned?
If so Rudd back in pronto is there a market?0 -
Hoorar! May I also refer punters to all the positive endorsements her stance and indeed her character got from across Parliament and clergy alike....Big_G_NorthWales said:
It has been reversed.Tracey has wonScrapheap_as_was said:If Tracey Crouch's resignation helps lead to a u-turn on FOBT, she should immediately be installed as favourite for next Tory leader...
Seems only fair.0 -
are you green the field or have you specifically backed her?Scrapheap_as_was said:
I endorse this message..... especially for 600+ to 1 reasonsdavid_herdson said:
I wonder. Tracey Crouch could just have had the most spectacularly successful resignation in history: forced the change in policy she objected to and then invited back into the government within days, and with a promotion to boot?TOPPING said:Has it been confirmed that those two have resigned?
If so Rudd back in pronto is there a market?0 -
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I think that says volumes about her and not in a good way. More interested in keeping power than rowing in behind the Government.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Penny Mordaunt wanting a free vote
Boris commanding the Brexiteers to resign on mass yesterday has shown how much authority he has within the PCP i.e. None!0 -
And I assume they need to have the detail of the deal already, including the future relationship to make that prediction.Fenster said:TheWhiteRabbit said:"IMF now says Theresa May’s brexit deal looks better for UK economy than their “best case scenarios” (FTA)"
I mean this in the nicest spirit but the IMF might as well have me doing their long-term forecasts. It's finger in the air stuff!TheWhiteRabbit said:"IMF now says Theresa May’s brexit deal looks better for UK economy than their “best case scenarios” (FTA)"
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So we'll have to start building those gunboats? Yet more jobs and in shipbuilding too.rcs1000 said:
Of course, but it is worth remembering that it's a lot easier to sign free trade deals if you export largely commodities (Chile, Iceland, Canada, or Australia) than if you have a complex economy that exports things that compete with protected domestic firms.Philip_Thompson said:
No but we can be. Australia, South Korea and Singapore all are and we should model ourselves after them not the USA or the continent's dream of having a European USA.rcs1000 said:
The total population of the countries the US has free trade deals with is tiny. It is - simply - not a very pro-free trade country.Philip_Thompson said:
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.rcs1000 said:
The US had hardly any free trade deals.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?RochdalePioneers said:I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?
This doesn't mean we can't achieve it, or that it isn't a worthy goal. But a read through the average FTA, shows how much many countries protect the very things where we are strongest.0 -
Backed her along with a few others but she was the rank outsider on those I've punted on... and as those sort of odds suggest!TheWhiteRabbit said:
are you green the field or have you specifically backed her?Scrapheap_as_was said:
I endorse this message..... especially for 600+ to 1 reasonsdavid_herdson said:
I wonder. Tracey Crouch could just have had the most spectacularly successful resignation in history: forced the change in policy she objected to and then invited back into the government within days, and with a promotion to boot?TOPPING said:Has it been confirmed that those two have resigned?
If so Rudd back in pronto is there a market?0 -
Leicester Liz on telly.
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Put back in his box.The_Taxman said:
I think that says volumes about her and not in a good way. More interested in keeping power than rowing in behind the Government.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Penny Mordaunt wanting a free vote
Boris commanding the Brexiteers to resign on mass yesterday has shown how much authority he has within the PCP i.e. None!0 -
shame three quarters of her fans are on PBGallowgate said:Leicester Liz on telly.
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Howrver, as I pointed out, Gove has promised to maintain existing quotas in his whitepaper, and being in the CFP does not prevent reallocation.DavidL said:
The government could issue fresh quotas with new requirements, eg, that a certain percentage of the quota required to be landed at UK ports; that the crew included UK citizens; that the boats were not over a certain size, that under competition law no associated companies were to have more than 5% of the rights, etc.Beverley_C said:
Also, the fish contracts are commercial agreements to certain companies / vessels. For example,one Dutch family own a boat (registered in the UK, "owned" by a UK company) has the right to catch 25% of all UK based cod because they have bought out competitors and acquired their quotas.williamglenn said:
You've been had. That relates to the UK-wide customs union backstop. It is not a deal that will ever be implemented as is.Theo said:
Incorrect. No access for French, Spanish and Dutch fishermen was included in the agreement. Kuensberg pointed this yesterday.grabcocque said:Tough on Scottish fish,
Tough on the causes of Scottish fish
They sell all the UK catch abroad to non-EU countries. Please explain how Brexit will solve this....
I remember when my firm was buying prime agricultural farms in Angus and paying more for the milk quota than they were for the land and buildings. It is utterly ridiculous when markets are distorted to such an extent. Milk quota, in those days, was a licence to print money but there was no guarantee that that would always be the case and once we are out of the CFP it will be for us to decide how consents are given out. Unless, of course, we have agreed otherwise.
"One of the key statements hidden in the 60-page white paper is: “We do not intend to change the method for allocating existing quota.”
In other words, the vast majority of the UK’s catch will be handled in the same way, even after Brexit. Currently, three big companies control two thirds of the UK’s catch, while smaller vessels are disadvantaged. "
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
Checking it's overall about £8 staked with average odds of 860-1....Scrapheap_as_was said:
I endorse this message..... especially for 600+ to 1 reasonsdavid_herdson said:
I wonder. Tracey Crouch could just have had the most spectacularly successful resignation in history: forced the change in policy she objected to and then invited back into the government within days, and with a promotion to boot?TOPPING said:Has it been confirmed that those two have resigned?
If so Rudd back in pronto is there a market?
I am however entirely unbiased on the subject of next Tory leader.
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I'll be honest if that comes off you deserve itScrapheap_as_was said:
Checking it's overall about £8 staked with average odds of 860-1....Scrapheap_as_was said:
I endorse this message..... especially for 600+ to 1 reasonsdavid_herdson said:
I wonder. Tracey Crouch could just have had the most spectacularly successful resignation in history: forced the change in policy she objected to and then invited back into the government within days, and with a promotion to boot?TOPPING said:Has it been confirmed that those two have resigned?
If so Rudd back in pronto is there a market?
I am however entirely unbiased on the subject of next Tory leader.0 -
"do not intend" in political speak carries a silent "yet"Foxy said:
Howrver, as I pointed out, Gove has promised to maintain existing quotas in his whitepaper, and being in the CFP does not prevent reallocation.DavidL said:
The government could issue fresh quotas with new requirements, eg, that a certain percentage of the quota required to be landed at UK ports; that the crew included UK citizens; that the boats were not over a certain size, that under competition law no associated companies were to have more than 5% of the rights, etc.Beverley_C said:
Also, the fish contracts are commercial agreements to certain companies / vessels. For example,one Dutch family own a boat (registered in the UK, "owned" by a UK company) has the right to catch 25% of all UK based cod because they have bought out competitors and acquired their quotas.williamglenn said:
You've been had. That relates to the UK-wide customs union backstop. It is not a deal that will ever be implemented as is.Theo said:
Incorrect. No access for French, Spanish and Dutch fishermen was included in the agreement. Kuensberg pointed this yesterday.grabcocque said:Tough on Scottish fish,
Tough on the causes of Scottish fish
They sell all the UK catch abroad to non-EU countries. Please explain how Brexit will solve this....
I remember when my firm was buying prime agricultural farms in Angus and paying more for the milk quota than they were for the land and buildings. It is utterly ridiculous when markets are distorted to such an extent. Milk quota, in those days, was a licence to print money but there was no guarantee that that would always be the case and once we are out of the CFP it will be for us to decide how consents are given out. Unless, of course, we have agreed otherwise.
"One of the key statements hidden in the 60-page white paper is: “We do not intend to change the method for allocating existing quota.”
In other words, the vast majority of the UK’s catch will be handled in the same way, even after Brexit. Currently, three big companies control two thirds of the UK’s catch, while smaller vessels are disadvantaged. "
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
My understanding was that that undertaking was for the transitional period only. We have also been told that there is nothing in this agreement about this (which surprises me). A UK White paper is not a binding commitment. I think we will have to wait and see but there are a number of new Scottish Tory MPs whose future may turn on this.Foxy said:
Howrver, as I pointed out, Gove has promised to maintain existing quotas in his whitepaper, and being in the CFP does not prevent reallocation.DavidL said:
The government could issue fresh quotas with new requirements, eg, that a certain percentage of the quota required to be landed at UK ports; that the crew included UK citizens; that the boats were not over a certain size, that under competition law no associated companies were to have more than 5% of the rights, etc.Beverley_C said:
Also, the fish contracts are commercial agreements to certain companies / vessels. For example,one Dutch family own a boat (registered in the UK, "owned" by a UK company) has the right to catch 25% of all UK based cod because they have bought out competitors and acquired their quotas.williamglenn said:
You've been had. That relates to the UK-wide customs union backstop. It is not a deal that will ever be implemented as is.Theo said:
Incorrect. No access for French, Spanish and Dutch fishermen was included in the agreement. Kuensberg pointed this yesterday.grabcocque said:Tough on Scottish fish,
Tough on the causes of Scottish fish
They sell all the UK catch abroad to non-EU countries. Please explain how Brexit will solve this....
I remember when my firm was buying prime agricultural farms in Angus and paying more for the milk quota than they were for the land and buildings. It is utterly ridiculous when markets are distorted to such an extent. Milk quota, in those days, was a licence to print money but there was no guarantee that that would always be the case and once we are out of the CFP it will be for us to decide how consents are given out. Unless, of course, we have agreed otherwise.
"One of the key statements hidden in the 60-page white paper is: “We do not intend to change the method for allocating existing quota.”
In other words, the vast majority of the UK’s catch will be handled in the same way, even after Brexit. Currently, three big companies control two thirds of the UK’s catch, while smaller vessels are disadvantaged. "
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts0 -
There's a big IF there of course... but it's nice to see a good egg and fellow Spurs fan making a positive impact and avoiding all the Brexit mud-slinging too throughout.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I'll be honest if that comes off you deserve itScrapheap_as_was said:
Checking it's overall about £8 staked with average odds of 860-1....Scrapheap_as_was said:
I endorse this message..... especially for 600+ to 1 reasonsdavid_herdson said:
I wonder. Tracey Crouch could just have had the most spectacularly successful resignation in history: forced the change in policy she objected to and then invited back into the government within days, and with a promotion to boot?TOPPING said:Has it been confirmed that those two have resigned?
If so Rudd back in pronto is there a market?
I am however entirely unbiased on the subject of next Tory leader.0 -
Didn't one of the German princes when forced to abdicate in 1918 say something like "good luck trying to sort this crap out by yourselves"?numbertwelve said:
“I’ve spoken to cabinet and nobody agrees on anything. I’ve had to put up with this bloody bickering for 2 years and I can’t stand it anymore, I’m off - good luck trying to do any better.”?The_Taxman said:
Perhaps another GE or Referendum?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky
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The best trade deal that is ready made for us is the Trans Pacific Partnership. Some of the signatories have already asked us to join, Canada, Japan and Australia have already vetted it to be good for various advanced economies, and the crap the US put in it was cut out after Trump's tantrum. Once that is done we can negotiate as a bloc with the USA trying to reenter good relations with the world post-Trump.Recidivist said:
Isn't it really easy to get a trade deal with the US if you simply sign up to their boiler plate one which gives the US all the benefits? I'd guess with most countries a trade deal is very easy to get, if you aren't fussed about it actually getting concessions to aid your own trade and are willing to give them whatever they want. I was a bit worried that the Fantastic Dr Fox might be tempted to go around the world signing anything put in front of him.rcs1000 said:
The total population of the countries the US has free trade deals with is tiny. It is - simply - not a very pro-free trade country.Philip_Thompson said:
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.rcs1000 said:
The US had hardly any free trade deals.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?RochdalePioneers said:I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?
All possible under this great deal. Impossible with a hard left Corbyn government trying to build socialism in one country in the midst of an economic crash.0
