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If you genuinely want no deal, but don't want Corbyn as PM, you should vote reluctantly for it now and then push for leaving it in 5 years time.kle4 said:
Incorrect - it also works for those who do not care about Corbyn as PM or a no deal Brexit (or one of the two at any rate). That number is probably at least half the Commons - Labour MPs, despite their protests, SNP and the rest of the opposition, plus the ERG and DUP.Theo said:
The only people voting down works for is those that want to see Corbyn as PM and a no deal Brexit.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Is that the right tactic? I don't know. I imagine there are quite a few on both benches that would like to vote against but have the deal passScott_P said:
If they genuinely want no deal, or think Corbyn as PM and/or no deal is better than a bad deal, then they should vote it down, whatever the consequences. Fear of Corbyn alone should not do it.
Anyone that thinks BOTH crashing over the cliff edge AND a Corbyn government wouldn't be devastating for this country is completely without mental faculty. We would be a basket case of an economy just as the next global recession hits, ripe for Trumpist populism on both sides.0 -
I'm sorry I tarred all Tories by association Big_G. I know you're not all like this (thank God).Big_G_NorthWales said:
He cannot help himself.ydoethur said:
That is truly epic ignorance. Most teachers commute over an hour to work. You are just embarrassing yourself now.HYUFD said:
Most people who do supply are either looking for a permanent role or like the flexibility.ydoethur said:
Yes they are on zero hours contracts if doing supply. It's one reason why no government will get rid of them.HYUFD said:
Good question, why [am] I still a teacher? I don't know. Nor does the letter of resignation I'm in the process of drafting.
It is actually very easy to get rid of teachers you don't want, contrary to popular belief. Woodhead's lie about bad teachers is still believed even though ironically he was sacked twice himself.
As for 'it's not that bad in the classroom,' how on earth would you know? Pure sophistry.
There are far worse jobs than teaching, many lower paid and with far fewer holidays and worse pensions, most teachers do not have long commutes and the associated costs.
I never said teaching was easy nor perfect but teachers who complain all the time often have gone straight from school to university then back to the classroom with no time in the world outside
And I spent three years in academia, three years self employed and a year as a Civil Servant before going into teaching and having to cope with a colleague literally walking out yesterday.
Take your patronising, lying shit elsewhere. It's people like you who give Tories a bad name.
He even thinks he knows more than those in the know and ends up just looking foolish
I'm having rather a tough time at the moment as you probably guessed and I just snapped.0 -
If Cox is happy to be a major player in selling the document, that would be even better.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox happy with document
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They're playing their roles. It's the rest we need to watch.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tonight David Davis, Boris Johnson, and Jacob Rees-Mogg have all reconfirmed that they are bigger c***s than Mark Reckless.Scott_P said:
I think par is Leadsom, Mordaunt, people like that.0 -
The combination of few (8%) of Leave voters now thinking Brexit is wrong and only 20% of Labour voters thinking it is right suggests that the archetypal Labour Leave voter is a distinctly minority beast.0
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They see their dream slipping away and are looking desperate. Sad reallyTheScreamingEagles said:
Tonight David Davis, Boris Johnson, and Jacob Rees-Mogg have all reconfirmed that they are bigger c***s than Mark Reckless.Scott_P said:0 -
Do teachers really commute that long ? And if so why ?ydoethur said:
That is truly epic ignorance. Most teachers commute over an hour to work. You are just embarrassing yourself now.HYUFD said:
Most people who do supply are either looking for a permanent role or like the flexibility.ydoethur said:
Yes they are on zero hours contracts if doing supply. It's one reason why no government will get rid of them.HYUFD said:
Good question, why [am] I still a teacher? I don't know. Nor does the letter of resignation I'm in the process of drafting.
It is actually very easy to get rid of teachers you don't want, contrary to popular belief. Woodhead's lie about bad teachers is still believed even though ironically he was sacked twice himself.
As for 'it's not that bad in the classroom,' how on earth would you know? Pure sophistry.
There are far worse jobs than teaching, many lower paid and with far fewer holidays and worse pensions, most teachers do not have long commutes and the associated costs.
I never said teaching was easy nor perfect but teachers who complain all the time often have gone straight from school to university then back to the classroom with no time in the world outside
And I spent three years in academia, three years self employed and a year as a Civil Servant before going into teaching and having to cope with a colleague literally walking out yesterday.
Take your patronising, lying shit elsewhere. It's people like you who give Tories a bad name.
I'm not arguing but genuinely surprised.0 -
And if all Tory MPs do not, and in fact most do say yes to it, then Boris, Davis and co must surely resign from the Conservatives. It would make no sense, even if they insist they are the true conservatives (and even if they are right in that) , to remain in a party which backs doing what he suggests it means.Scott_P said:0 -
But will Cox be able to persuade the cocks?Pro_Rata said:
If Cox is happy to be a major player in selling the document, that would be even better.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox happy with document
I'm going to go and simmer down somewhere else before I say what I really think of HYUFD and probably get a ban hammer.
Have a nice evening.0 -
Careful now, that’s Mays majority you’re being rude about.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tonight David Davis, Boris Johnson, and Jacob Rees-Mogg have all reconfirmed that they are bigger c***s than Mark Reckless.Scott_P said:0 -
If they follow through on their talk I will respect it more - if they truly believe a bad brexit is worse than no brexit, then they need to take appropriate action.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They see their dream slipping away and are looking desperate. Sad reallyTheScreamingEagles said:
Tonight David Davis, Boris Johnson, and Jacob Rees-Mogg have all reconfirmed that they are bigger c***s than Mark Reckless.Scott_P said:0 -
So .. after all the hype .. a deal.is brokered.. surprise surprise...0
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So would be sticking up two fingers to this deal. I don't think making a "clean break" in 10 years would be more harmful.rpjs said:
The economic and diplomatic costs of reneging on a treaty can be considerable. The US can get away with it through sheer size and power, the UK less so. I also recall someone posting here that we're party to a convention that forbids the unilaterally denouncing of a treaty other than by the terms (if any) set out in that treaty.Theo said:
On (1) we will be a sovereign government that can leave treaties at any time, if willing to pay the diplomatic and economic costs. Any sensible Brexiteer should be able to see that can be done at a time when it won't bring Corbyn into power.DavidL said:Sigh.
So the crap is on the table. What do we do with it? We need to do something before it stinks the house out.
For me, the keys are:
(1) can we get out of this at a time of our own choosing, with or without notice?
(2) have we got the CU without making concessions on FoM?
(3) is it still the decision of the U.K. Parliament whether to implement EU law or does it have direct effect? If the former what are the penalties for non compliance?
(4) have we got rid of that f****** awful backstop for NI or is it still a part of the agreement? If it is what penalties have we conceded for non compliance?
Of these the most important is the first. One day, maybe, we will have a competent government with a clear understanding of consequences for both their actions and failures to act. I want that government to have the ability to make good the appalling incompetence of this one.0 -
Most teachers commute over an hour? Why would they?ydoethur said:
That is truly epic ignorance. Most teachers commute over an hour to work. You are just embarrassing yourself now.HYUFD said:
Most people who do supply are either looking for a permanent role or like the flexibility.ydoethur said:
Yes they are on zero hours contracts if doing supply. It's one reason why no government will get rid of them.HYUFD said:
Good question, why [am] I still a teacher? I don't know. Nor does the letter of resignation I'm in the process of drafting.
It is actually very easy to get rid of teachers you don't want, contrary to popular belief. Woodhead's lie about bad teachers is still believed even though ironically he was sacked twice himself.
As for 'it's not that bad in the classroom,' how on earth would you know? Pure sophistry.
There are far worse jobs than teaching, many lower paid and with far fewer holidays and worse pensions, most teachers do not have long commutes and the associated costs.
I never said teaching was easy nor perfect but teachers who complain all the time often have gone straight from school to university then back to the classroom with no time in the world outside
And I spent three years in academia, three years self employed and a year as a Civil Servant before going into teaching and having to cope with a colleague literally walking out yesterday.
Take your patronising, lying shit elsewhere. It's people like you who give Tories a bad name.
13-14 weeks is a lot of holiday, more than double what an average worker gets.
College and University lecturers get even more.
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Am hoping Labour MPs come to the rescue like they did in 1972 in helping a Tory MP over Europe.Jonathan said:
Careful now, that’s Mays majority you’re being rude about.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tonight David Davis, Boris Johnson, and Jacob Rees-Mogg have all reconfirmed that they are bigger c***s than Mark Reckless.Scott_P said:0 -
May needs their votes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They see their dream slipping away and are looking desperate. Sad reallyTheScreamingEagles said:
Tonight David Davis, Boris Johnson, and Jacob Rees-Mogg have all reconfirmed that they are bigger c***s than Mark Reckless.Scott_P said:0 -
Understandable. Non-teachers telling teachers what an easy life they have is trying at the best of times.ydoethur said:
I'm sorry I tarred all Tories by association Big_G. I know you're not all like this (thank God).Big_G_NorthWales said:
He cannot help himself.ydoethur said:
That is truly epic ignorance. Most teachers commute over an hour to work. You are just embarrassing yourself now.HYUFD said:
Most people who do supply are either looking for a permanent role or like the flexibility.ydoethur said:
Yes they are on zero hours contracts if doing supply. It's one reason why no government will get rid of them.HYUFD said:
Good question, why [am] I still a teacher? I don't know. Nor does the letter of resignation I'm in the process of drafting.
It is actually very easy to get rid of teachers you don't want, contrary to popular belief. Woodhead's lie about bad teachers is still believed even though ironically he was sacked twice himself.
As for 'it's not that bad in the classroom,' how on earth would you know? Pure sophistry.
There are far worse jobs than teaching, many lower paid and with far fewer holidays and worse pensions, most teachers do not have long commutes and the associated costs.
I never said teaching was easy nor perfect but teachers who complain all the time often have gone straight from school to university then back to the classroom with no time in the world outside
And I spent three years in academia, three years self employed and a year as a Civil Servant before going into teaching and having to cope with a colleague literally walking out yesterday.
Take your patronising, lying shit elsewhere. It's people like you who give Tories a bad name.
He even thinks he knows more than those in the know and ends up just looking foolish
I'm having rather a tough time at the moment as you probably guessed and I just snapped.0 -
You have every right to. I said to him the other day I find it hard to think we are in the same partyydoethur said:
I'm sorry I tarred all Tories by association Big_G. I know you're not all like this (thank God).Big_G_NorthWales said:
He cannot help himself.ydoethur said:
That is truly epic ignorance. Most teachers commute over an hour to work. You are just embarrassing yourself now.HYUFD said:
Most people who do supply are either looking for a permanent role or like the flexibility.ydoethur said:
Yes they are on zero hours contracts if doing supply. It's one reason why no government will get rid of them.HYUFD said:
Good question, why [am] I still a teacher? I don't know. Nor does the letter of resignation I'm in the process of drafting.
It is actually very easy to get rid of teachers you don't want, contrary to popular belief. Woodhead's lie about bad teachers is still believed even though ironically he was sacked twice himself.
As for 'it's not that bad in the classroom,' how on earth would you know? Pure sophistry.
There are far worse jobs than teaching, many lower paid and with far fewer holidays and worse pensions, most teachers do not have long commutes and the associated costs.
I never said teaching was easy nor perfect but teachers who complain all the time often have gone straight from school to university then back to the classroom with no time in the world outside
And I spent three years in academia, three years self employed and a year as a Civil Servant before going into teaching and having to cope with a colleague literally walking out yesterday.
Take your patronising, lying shit elsewhere. It's people like you who give Tories a bad name.
He even thinks he knows more than those in the know and ends up just looking foolish
I'm having rather a tough time at the moment as you probably guessed and I just snapped.
I really hope you are able to resolve your problems soon. All the best0 -
She had better give them something good.TheScreamingEagles said:
Am hoping Labour MPs come to the rescue like they did in 1972 in helping a Tory MP over Europe.Jonathan said:
Careful now, that’s Mays majority you’re being rude about.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tonight David Davis, Boris Johnson, and Jacob Rees-Mogg have all reconfirmed that they are bigger c***s than Mark Reckless.Scott_P said:
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Go watch Last Jedi and critique it.ydoethur said:
But will Cox be able to persuade the cocks?Pro_Rata said:
If Cox is happy to be a major player in selling the document, that would be even better.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky reporting Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox happy with document
I'm going to go and simmer down somewhere else before I say what I really think of HYUFD and probably get a ban hammer.
Have a nice evening.
I've found tearing the poop out of something very therapeutic.0 -
All mouth and no trousers..Scott_P said:0 -
Except for a few exceptions, manufacturing is mainly not done globally. We sell a lot of cars to Europe but very few to the USA, which is just across the Atlantic.another_richard said:
Indeed.Theo said:
Right. It would make more sense for them to say we aren't getting enough sovereignty back. We are getting it in services, immigration, justice and other non-economic matters but not goods.Scott_P said:
And I wonder how many Leavers in the manufacturing sector are quite happy with the status quo on goods rather than having the likes of Boris negotiating new trade treaties.0 -
That was only ever part of the equation.SquareRoot said:So .. after all the hype .. a deal.is brokered.. surprise surprise...
I am not a teacher, but most I know do not live in the town they work in, often deliberately.currystar said:
Most teachers commute over an hour? Why would they?ydoethur said:
That is truly epic ignorance. Most teachers commute over an hour to work. You are just embarrassing yourself now.HYUFD said:
Most people who do supply are either looking for a permanent role or like the flexibility.ydoethur said:
Yes they are on zero hours contracts if doing supply. It's one reason why no government will get rid of them.HYUFD said:
Good question, why [am] I still a teacher? I don't know. Nor does the letter of resignation I'm in the process of drafting.
It is actually very easy to get rid of teachers you don't want, contrary to popular belief. Woodhead's lie about bad teachers is still believed even though ironically he was sacked twice himself.
As for 'it's not that bad in the classroom,' how on earth would you know? Pure sophistry.
There are far worse jobs than teaching, many lower paid and with far fewer holidays and worse pensions, most teachers do not have long commutes and the associated costs.
I never said teaching was easy nor perfect but teachers who complain all the time often have gone straight from school to university then back to the classroom with no time in the world outside
And I spent three years in academia, three years self employed and a year as a Civil Servant before going into teaching and having to cope with a colleague literally walking out yesterday.
Take your patronising, lying shit elsewhere. It's people like you who give Tories a bad name.
I've commented before that teachers never seem particularly happy, but I'm inclined to take the word of a teacher over a non-teacher on such matters.
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Surely they are just firing off ammo in pointless directions..Jonathan said:
Maybe there’s a free owl in there. That would swing it.Scrapheap_as_was said:
An insider tells me there may be a few surprises in the text..let's just wait and see.0 -
The ability to save the nation and screw CorbynJonathan said:
She had better give them something good.TheScreamingEagles said:
Am hoping Labour MPs come to the rescue like they did in 1972 in helping a Tory MP over Europe.Jonathan said:
Careful now, that’s Mays majority you’re being rude about.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tonight David Davis, Boris Johnson, and Jacob Rees-Mogg have all reconfirmed that they are bigger c***s than Mark Reckless.Scott_P said:0 -
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You take the job that is available when you graduate or move higher up the department - unless you are lucky chances are it won't be that local to you.another_richard said:
Do teachers really commute that long ? And if so why ?ydoethur said:
That is truly epic ignorance. Most teachers commute over an hour to work. You are just embarrassing yourself now.HYUFD said:
Most people who do supply are either looking for a permanent role or like the flexibility.ydoethur said:
Yes they are on zero hours contracts if doing supply. It's one reason why no government will get rid of them.HYUFD said:
Good question, why [am] I still a teacher? I don't know. Nor does the letter of resignation I'm in the process of drafting.
It is actually very easy to get rid of teachers you don't want, contrary to popular belief. Woodhead's lie about bad teachers is still believed even though ironically he was sacked twice himself.
As for 'it's not that bad in the classroom,' how on earth would you know? Pure sophistry.
There are far worse jobs than teaching, many lower paid and with far fewer holidays and worse pensions, most teachers do not have long commutes and the associated costs.
I never said teaching was easy nor perfect but teachers who complain all the time often have gone straight from school to university then back to the classroom with no time in the world outside
And I spent three years in academia, three years self employed and a year as a Civil Servant before going into teaching and having to cope with a colleague literally walking out yesterday.
Take your patronising, lying shit elsewhere. It's people like you who give Tories a bad name.
I'm not arguing but genuinely surprised.0 -
"Peoples Vote" and Jo Johnson live on Sky News. I doubt they would give air time to trade unionists or Scottish Nationalists.0
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Most seem to think they can do the former by voting it down and (somehow) getting Remain, and I don't believe they care enough to do the latter. Their actions have never matched words on that score.TheScreamingEagles said:
The ability to save the nation and screw CorbynJonathan said:
She had better give them something good.TheScreamingEagles said:
Am hoping Labour MPs come to the rescue like they did in 1972 in helping a Tory MP over Europe.Jonathan said:
Careful now, that’s Mays majority you’re being rude about.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tonight David Davis, Boris Johnson, and Jacob Rees-Mogg have all reconfirmed that they are bigger c***s than Mark Reckless.Scott_P said:0 -
RochdalePioneers said:
Its gibberish for "Damn You Autocorrect"AnneJGP said:
Anyone care to offer a translation of poloroxoanstgey, please?RochdalePioneers said:This is going to be top quality entertainment. What's the point in a technical agreement by diplomats if ihe poloroxoanstgey work for are so bitterly divided that the PM refuses to show them the legal advice and needs to plead with them one by one?
How many cabinet resignations can she survive?
Good evening, everybody.
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You cannot get anything past a Cambridge educated lawyer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Firms up Sky saying Geoffrey Cox approves the textScott_P said:0 -
Did you enjoy Overlord?kle4 said:
Most seem to think they can do the former by voting it down and (somehow) getting Remain, and I don't believe they care enough to do the latter. Their actions have never matched words on that score.TheScreamingEagles said:
The ability to save the nation and screw CorbynJonathan said:
She had better give them something good.TheScreamingEagles said:
Am hoping Labour MPs come to the rescue like they did in 1972 in helping a Tory MP over Europe.Jonathan said:
Careful now, that’s Mays majority you’re being rude about.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tonight David Davis, Boris Johnson, and Jacob Rees-Mogg have all reconfirmed that they are bigger c***s than Mark Reckless.Scott_P said:0 -
I thought it was pretty good fun. The more I think on it the weaker I think perhaps it was, but it's worth the ticket price for 90 minutes of entertainment.TheScreamingEagles said:
Did you enjoy Overlord?kle4 said:
Most seem to think they can do the former by voting it down and (somehow) getting Remain, and I don't believe they care enough to do the latter. Their actions have never matched words on that score.TheScreamingEagles said:
The ability to save the nation and screw CorbynJonathan said:
She had better give them something good.TheScreamingEagles said:
Am hoping Labour MPs come to the rescue like they did in 1972 in helping a Tory MP over Europe.Jonathan said:
Careful now, that’s Mays majority you’re being rude about.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tonight David Davis, Boris Johnson, and Jacob Rees-Mogg have all reconfirmed that they are bigger c***s than Mark Reckless.Scott_P said:0 -
People's vote - Jeez what a loviefest0
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As with the perpetually imminent 48 letters.SquareRoot said:
All mouth and no trousers..Scott_P said:0 -
I understand that but they can then move closer to where they work.eek said:
You take the job that is available when you graduate or move higher up the department - unless you are lucky chances are it won't be that local to you.another_richard said:
Do teachers really commute that long ? And if so why ?ydoethur said:
That is truly epic ignorance. Most teachers commute over an hour to work. You are just embarrassing yourself now.HYUFD said:
Most people who do supply are either looking for a permanent role or like the flexibility.ydoethur said:
Yes they are on zero hours contracts if doing supply. It's one reason why no government will get rid of them.HYUFD said:
Good question, why [am] I still a teacher? I don't know. Nor does the letter of resignation I'm in the process of drafting.
It is actually very easy to get rid of teachers you don't want, contrary to popular belief. Woodhead's lie about bad teachers is still believed even though ironically he was sacked twice himself.
As for 'it's not that bad in the classroom,' how on earth would you know? Pure sophistry.
There are far worse jobs than teaching, many lower paid and with far fewer holidays and worse pensions, most teachers do not have long commutes and the associated costs.
I never said teaching was easy nor perfect but teachers who complain all the time often have gone straight from school to university then back to the classroom with no time in the world outside
And I spent three years in academia, three years self employed and a year as a Civil Servant before going into teaching and having to cope with a colleague literally walking out yesterday.
Take your patronising, lying shit elsewhere. It's people like you who give Tories a bad name.
I'm not arguing but genuinely surprised.
Unless teachers are moving to schools in different towns every few years there's not much to stop them shortening their commute if they wish to.0 -
So, we are staying in the CU.
If Labour have any sense, they’ll go for this (I know, I know).
I for one will be glad to see the back of this and get on with my life.0 -
Wait!Scott_P said:
So Great Britain gets to stay in the customs union but doesn't even have to stay in goods regulation? That means Boris's stuff about us following EU laws isn't true. And Northern Ireland gets to stay out of service regulations for stuff like its critical tourism and filmmaking industries?
This is a much better deal than I thought.0 -
My other half considered going into teaching then she saw stuff like this.
Secondary school staff are three times more likely to be physically attacked at work than the average UK employee.
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I don't know which is more nauseating, this people's vote rabble or the Moggited0
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I enjoyed it a lot as well.kle4 said:
I thought it was pretty good fun. The more I think on it the weaker I think perhaps it was, but it's worth the ticket price for 90 minutes of entertainment.TheScreamingEagles said:
Did you enjoy Overlord?kle4 said:
Most seem to think they can do the former by voting it down and (somehow) getting Remain, and I don't believe they care enough to do the latter. Their actions have never matched words on that score.TheScreamingEagles said:
The ability to save the nation and screw CorbynJonathan said:
She had better give them something good.TheScreamingEagles said:
Am hoping Labour MPs come to the rescue like they did in 1972 in helping a Tory MP over Europe.Jonathan said:
Careful now, that’s Mays majority you’re being rude about.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tonight David Davis, Boris Johnson, and Jacob Rees-Mogg have all reconfirmed that they are bigger c***s than Mark Reckless.Scott_P said:0 -
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Not many checkout operators there, I'd guess.Pulpstar said:People's vote - Jeez what a loviefest
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how likely is the average employee to be attacked?TheScreamingEagles said:My other half considered going into teaching then she saw stuff like this.
Secondary school staff are three times more likely to be physically attacked at work than the average UK employee.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43290587
I mean I've had bad days in the office but it's never come to blows...0 -
I know several primary school staff who have been repeatedly attacked. It's getting worse, not least thanks to the decimation of special school provision.TheWhiteRabbit said:
how likely is the average employee to be attacked?TheScreamingEagles said:My other half considered going into teaching then she saw stuff like this.
Secondary school staff are three times more likely to be physically attacked at work than the average UK employee.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43290587
I mean I've had bad days in the office but it's never come to blows...0 -
Agreed. That was true in 2016 and it’s true now. Shame the extremists have caused us to waste two years to uncertainty and chaos.Pulpstar said:
Yes we just need to get on with this narrow leaving, because we voted narrowly to leave.Anazina said:So, we are staying in the CU.
If Labour have any sense, they’ll go for this (I know, I know).
I for one will be glad to see the back of this and get on with my life.0 -
Oh dear.... POJRMWAS?Scott_P said:0 -
The ERG hardliners have not conducted themselves well and not just today but previously.Pulpstar said:
Yes we just need to get on with this narrow leaving, because we voted narrowly to leave.Anazina said:So, we are staying in the CU.
If Labour have any sense, they’ll go for this (I know, I know).
I for one will be glad to see the back of this and get on with my life.
If they wanted to give credibility to the 'Buccaneering Britain' idea they needed to show that they had the maturity and willingness to work hard to make it a success.
Posturing is no substitute to proper preparation and attention to detail.0 -
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What the **** does that even mean?Scott_P said:0 -
Maybe Boris fancies himself a Great Cnut?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Im sorry but I do think teachers moan too much, they have a job for life, an amazing holiday entitlement, and a short working day. Towards the end of the summer term not a lot happens at school. For the last 4 weeks of my nephews time at Junior School he watched DVDs all day as they had run out of things to teach him. Every job has its good bits and its bad bits. In the private sector many peoples jobs are reliant on getting orders each and every week, now that is pressure. I agree that due to the recent parental abdication of discipline that exists in society many children are very difficult to teach. But there are lots of positives in being a teacher which are often forgoten.TheWhiteRabbit said:
how likely is the average employee to be attacked?TheScreamingEagles said:My other half considered going into teaching then she saw stuff like this.
Secondary school staff are three times more likely to be physically attacked at work than the average UK employee.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43290587
I mean I've had bad days in the office but it's never come to blows...0 -
You know the Brexiteers are losing when David David price starts shortening againScott_P said:0 -
There are 15 right-wing Labour MPs who would rather back TMay and the Tories than back a Jeremy Corbyn government.These are what the Tory whips have been focussing on to try to counter loss of support on their side.The Commons arithmetic looks as if all these 15 20thcentury Blairites will achieve is their own deselection although they may have already chosen the creation of a new party.How they vote will be a good indication of just how far this new political party has progressed.They may choose just to keep their heads down as they are being watched so closely.0
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"Key elements of the deal began to leak in the early evening. The UK was understood to have agreed that an independent arbitration committee will judge when a UK-wide customs backstop could be terminated, comprised of an equal number of British and EU representatives plus an independent element."
Didn't the EU say literally last week that it had to be the ECJ?0 -
Is your spacebar broken?volcanopete said:There are 15 right-wing Labour MPs who would rather back TMay and the Tories than back a Jeremy Corbyn government.These are what the Tory whips have been focussing on to try to counter loss of support on their side.The Commons arithmetic looks as if all these 15 20thcentury Blairites will achieve is their own deselection although they may have already chosen the creation of a new party.How they vote will be a good indication of just how far this new political party has progressed.They may choose just to keep their heads down as they are being watched so closely.
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Jeremy's six impossible tests before breakfast. Hopefully there'll be more sensible MPsScott_P said:0 -
Yes and the compromise is reasonable and maybe why Cox approved itTheWhiteRabbit said:"Key elements of the deal began to leak in the early evening. The UK was understood to have agreed that an independent arbitration committee will judge when a UK-wide customs backstop could be terminated, comprised of an equal number of British and EU representatives plus an independent element."
Didn't the EU say literally last week that it had to be the ECJ?0 -
It's Theresa May and the UK civil service making all this up as they go along so it's bound to be some unworkable, incoherent solution that nobody will be able to make head nor tail of...Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
Interesting that he notes it is impossible for it to meet the tests.Scott_P said:0 -
Every fact you quote is incorrect. Believe me it is bloody annoying having non-teachers explain the hours and holidays teachers have to them.currystar said:
Im sorry but I do think teachers moan too much, they have a job for life, an amazing holiday entitlement, and a short working day. Towards the end of the summer term not a lot happens at school. For the last 4 weeks of my nephews time at Junior School he watched DVDs all day as they had run out of things to teach him. Every job has its good bits and its bad bits. In the private sector many peoples jobs are reliant on getting orders each and every week, now that is pressure. I agree that due to the recent parental abdication of discipline that exists in society many children are very difficult to teach. But there are lots of positives in being a teacher which are often forgoten.TheWhiteRabbit said:
how likely is the average employee to be attacked?TheScreamingEagles said:My other half considered going into teaching then she saw stuff like this.
Secondary school staff are three times more likely to be physically attacked at work than the average UK employee.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43290587
I mean I've had bad days in the office but it's never come to blows...
Job for life is utter bollocks, yet always repeated.
If your nephew experienced that, Complain to the school.0 -
This is not a confidence vote. Anyway the most right wing of Labour MPs (Hoey) has already rejected it.volcanopete said:There are 15 right-wing Labour MPs who would rather back TMay and the Tories than back a Jeremy Corbyn government.These are what the Tory whips have been focussing on to try to counter loss of support on their side.The Commons arithmetic looks as if all these 15 20thcentury Blairites will achieve is their own deselection although they may have already chosen the creation of a new party.How they vote will be a good indication of just how far this new political party has progressed.They may choose just to keep their heads down as they are being watched so closely.
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Yes, the normal rule is that you at least nominally claim that you'll reserve judgement until you've read it.AlastairMeeks said:It’s all a bit pointless speculating till we see some detail. Unless you’re a politician seeking to frame it for your own narrow ends. Even then, some circumspection is advisable.
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Have you read it or following the ERG playbook of commenting without even readingGIN1138 said:
It's Theresa May and the UK civil service making all this up as they go along so it's bound to be some unworkable, incoherent solution that nobody will be able to make head nor tail of...Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
Ahem, ahem.TheWhiteRabbit said:"Key elements of the deal began to leak in the early evening. The UK was understood to have agreed that an independent arbitration committee will judge when a UK-wide customs backstop could be terminated, comprised of an equal number of British and EU representatives plus an independent element."
Didn't the EU say literally last week that it had to be the ECJ?
Who was it who was saying the EU would back down on this?0 -
Both Johnsons have trashed it before even reading it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, the normal rule is that you at least nominally claim that you'll reserve judgement until you've read it.AlastairMeeks said:It’s all a bit pointless speculating till we see some detail. Unless you’re a politician seeking to frame it for your own narrow ends. Even then, some circumspection is advisable.
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To be fair, you don't need to read it to know it can't meet the 'six tests', which are mutually incompatible.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
Of course - why do you think the tests were set like that?kle4 said:
Interesting that he notes it is impossible for it to meet the tests.Scott_P said:
As has become abundantly clear whatever we do will be economically damaging to the UK and that means to the people who voted to leave because they wanted to be less economically damaged. I can't see how my party will back a deal that makes our people worse off.
And yes, some of those voters may angrily insist they won't be worse off. But if we stood back and did nothing then we'd be getting the same political lynching the Tories face.0 -
Well that's par for the course for everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More relevant is whether potential Labour rebels are already rejecting the deal, which apparently some already have, in which case an already slim chance of approval is already gone.0 -
Yes of course that is true. His six tests are only passed by remainingRichard_Nabavi said:
To be fair, you don't need to read it to know it can't meet the 'six tests', which are mutually incompatible.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
What is it with the Johnson family that makes them look so foolishPulpstar said:
Both Johnsons have trashed it before even reading it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, the normal rule is that you at least nominally claim that you'll reserve judgement until you've read it.AlastairMeeks said:It’s all a bit pointless speculating till we see some detail. Unless you’re a politician seeking to frame it for your own narrow ends. Even then, some circumspection is advisable.
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I know the tests were impossible, I'm surprised even a commentator admits it.RochdalePioneers said:
Of course - why do you think the tests were set like that?kle4 said:
Interesting that he notes it is impossible for it to meet the tests.Scott_P said:
As has become abundantly clear whatever we do will be economically damaging to the UK and that means to the people who voted to leave because they wanted to be less economically damaged. I can't see how my party will back a deal that makes our people worse off.
And yes, some of those voters may angrily insist they won't be worse off. But if we stood back and did nothing then we'd be getting the same political lynching the Tories face.
I don't have an issue with people voting against what they think is a bad deal. But whatever they might claim about not allowing it to happen, voting down the deal does dramatically raise the chance of no deal and an even worse economic situation. So long as they admit they are increasing that risk, though they hope to avoid it, I would be content. Pretending it would be simple to do a different deal, or remain, is no different to leavers who said it would all be easy. If the deal is bad and is to be voted down it must be with eyes open that no deal might happen whatever they want.0 -
I think that is rather premature. This is a fast moving story and from here anything could happen including it passing into lawkle4 said:
Well that's par for the course for everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More relevant is whether potential Labour rebels are already rejecting the deal, which apparently some already have, in which case an already slim chance of approval is already gone.0 -
Commute time is in the top 2 drawers for those becoming teachersydoethur said:
That is truly epic ignorance. Most teachers commute over an hour to work. You are just embarrassing yourself now.HYUFD said:
Most people who do supply are either looking for a permanent role or like the flexibility.ydoethur said:
Yes they are on zero hours contracts if doing supply. It's try.HYUFD said:
There are far worse jobs than teaching, many lower paid and with far fewer holidays and worse pensions, most teachers do not have long commutes and the associated costs.
I never said teaching was easy nor perfect but teachers who complain all the time often have gone straight from school to university then back to the classroom with no time in the world outside
And I spent three years in academia, three years self employed and a year as a Civil Servant before going into teaching and having to cope with a colleague literally walking out yesterday.
Take your patronising, lying shit elsewhere. It's people like you who give Tories a bad name.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/schoolsweek.co.uk/commuting-time-tops-list-of-what-attracts-teachers-to-job/amp/
Academia still involves teaching and the civil service is still public sector, albeit you have done some self employed work.
You can insult me if you wish, I did not insult you.
All I said was there are worse jobs than teaching and provided some of the positives like long holidays and the pension, I did not say it was easy or perfect especially with disciplinary issues but like some teachers you seem to have an attitude that it is the worst job in the world and must be endlessly complained about0 -
Yes I may be proven wrong. But several dozen Labour MPs at least will vote with the government on this? It's highly implausible.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think that is rather premature. This is a fast moving story and from here anything could happen including it passing into lawkle4 said:
Well that's par for the course for everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More relevant is whether potential Labour rebels are already rejecting the deal, which apparently some already have, in which case an already slim chance of approval is already gone.
Frankly it should be more appealing if they mean what they say about no deal, since the chances of the government collapsing on its own after a deal is pretty high given the ERG and DUP fury that is reported. So the fear of propping up a Tory government (which in any case should not be a primary consideration, if they think the deal is better than the alternative) should not be such a big worry.0 -
The difference is now Labour will have to give an actual reason for rejecting it, which is different than saying its bound to be a bad deal so they will reject it. Keir Starmer struggled with that one on Channel 4 earlier. He will now have to answer what is bad about it and what Labour would do different, especially as the EU will not comprimise any further.kle4 said:
Well that's par for the course for everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More relevant is whether potential Labour rebels are already rejecting the deal, which apparently some already have, in which case an already slim chance of approval is already gone.0 -
That's not much of an obstacle. They don't need a great reason, just a reason plausible enough to their supporters. A promise that they could do better without explaining how they would manage that would be a cynical thing to do, but it will work for most of the MPs, and combined with those outright opposed it is enough.currystar said:
The difference is now Labour will have to give an actual reason for rejecting it, which is different than saying its bound to be a bad deal so they will reject it. Keir Starmer struggled with that one on Channel 4 earlier. He will now have to answer what is bad about it and what Labour would do different, especially as the EU will not compromise any further.kle4 said:
Well that's par for the course for everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More relevant is whether potential Labour rebels are already rejecting the deal, which apparently some already have, in which case an already slim chance of approval is already gone.0 -
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Haven't heard from Mann, Flint, Nandy, Snell or any of the other potential backerskle4 said:
Yes I may be proven wrong. But several dozen Labour MPs at least will vote with the government on this? It's highly implausible.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think that is rather premature. This is a fast moving story and from here anything could happen including it passing into lawkle4 said:
Well that's par for the course for everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More relevant is whether potential Labour rebels are already rejecting the deal, which apparently some already have, in which case an already slim chance of approval is already gone.
Frankly it should be more appealing if they mean what they say about no deal, since the chances of the government collapsing on its own after a deal is pretty high given the ERG and DUP fury that is reported. So the fear of propping up a Tory government (which in any case should not be a primary consideration, if they think the deal is better than the alternative) should not be such a big worry.0 -
They need to be plausible to the electorate, not just their supporters, and this deal is not hypothetical, it is real and in text.kle4 said:
That's not much of an obstacle. They don't need a great reason, just a reason plausible enough to their supporters. A promise that they could do better without explaining how they would manage that would be a cynical thing to do, but it will work for most of the MPs, and combined with those outright opposed it is enough.currystar said:
The difference is now Labour will have to give an actual reason for rejecting it, which is different than saying its bound to be a bad deal so they will reject it. Keir Starmer struggled with that one on Channel 4 earlier. He will now have to answer what is bad about it and what Labour would do different, especially as the EU will not compromise any further.kle4 said:
Well that's par for the course for everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More relevant is whether potential Labour rebels are already rejecting the deal, which apparently some already have, in which case an already slim chance of approval is already gone.0 -
I think the public mood is for a deal to be agreed, they will have to have a very good reason for opposing it.kle4 said:
That's not much of an obstacle. They don't need a great reason, just a reason plausible enough to their supporters. A promise that they could do better without explaining how they would manage that would be a cynical thing to do, but it will work for most of the MPs, and combined with those outright opposed it is enough.currystar said:
The difference is now Labour will have to give an actual reason for rejecting it, which is different than saying its bound to be a bad deal so they will reject it. Keir Starmer struggled with that one on Channel 4 earlier. He will now have to answer what is bad about it and what Labour would do different, especially as the EU will not compromise any further.kle4 said:
Well that's par for the course for everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More relevant is whether potential Labour rebels are already rejecting the deal, which apparently some already have, in which case an already slim chance of approval is already gone.0 -
These are momentous days and the decisions being taken will have long-lasting ramifications.”Scott_P said:hts://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1062454303263219714
Yes they are. Anyone who thinks the deal is necessary to avoid negative long lasting ramifications should vote for it, even if it means propping up the hated Tories. Anyone who thinks the deal will cause long lasting negative ramifications should vote against it, even if it means bringing down the beloved Tory government.
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Afraid that argument was lost in 2016.Scott_P said:0 -
Why is that? There will be no shortage of Tories making the case to the electorate that the deal is a big pile of steaming dinosaur poo, so a flimsy Labour argument saying the same will seem relatively plausible by default -people will think, "if even the Tories are saying it is crap, and voting it down will (somehow) get a Labour government in power, or we might get to remain after all(somehow), then definitely Labour should vote it down". Add in the lack of political benefit to Labour of backing it, and their course seems obvious.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They need to be plausible to the electorate, not just their supporterskle4 said:
That's not much of an obstacle. They don't need a great reason, just a reason plausible enough to their supporters. A promise that they could do better without explaining how they would manage that would be a cynical thing to do, but it will work for most of the MPs, and combined with those outright opposed it is enough.currystar said:
The difference is now Labour will have to give an actual reason for rejecting it, which is different than saying its bound to be a bad deal so they will reject it. Keir Starmer struggled with that one on Channel 4 earlier. He will now have to answer what is bad about it and what Labour would do different, especially as the EU will not compromise any further.kle4 said:
Well that's par for the course for everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More relevant is whether potential Labour rebels are already rejecting the deal, which apparently some already have, in which case an already slim chance of approval is already gone.
Though funnily enough I think the Labour strategy of masterly inactivity works out best if the deal passes and they don't get a GE - they can insist both that they would have remained if necessary and they would have gotten a good deal if they'd been allowed.
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I think the public mood is wanting to see an end to it, but certain to dislike whatever end occurs because of the splits in desired outcomes, and because people on left and right, leave and remain, will be trashing it.currystar said:
I think the public mood is for a deal to be agreed, they will have to have a very good reason for opposing it.kle4 said:
That's not much of an obstacle. They don't need a great reason, just a reason plausible enough to their supporters. A promise that they could do better without explaining how they would manage that would be a cynical thing to do, but it will work for most of the MPs, and combined with those outright opposed it is enough.currystar said:
The difference is now Labour will have to give an actual reason for rejecting it, which is different than saying its bound to be a bad deal so they will reject it. Keir Starmer struggled with that one on Channel 4 earlier. He will now have to answer what is bad about it and what Labour would do different, especially as the EU will not compromise any further.kle4 said:
Well that's par for the course for everyone.Big_G_NorthWales said:
More relevant is whether potential Labour rebels are already rejecting the deal, which apparently some already have, in which case an already slim chance of approval is already gone.0 -
Fat finger syndrome, I've not switched sideswilliamglenn said:
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You don't fool me, traitor!RobD said:
Fat finger syndrome, I've not switched sideswilliamglenn said:0
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