"Negotiations between the EU and UK on a withdrawal agreement are ongoing and have not concluded. Negotiators are still engaged and a number of issues are outstanding. We are not commenting further on leaks in the media."
Says all of UK in Customs Union for a period, but with "deeper provisions for NI and a review mechanism".
i.e. total capitulation.
The absolute worst of the Brexiteer's fears The absolute worst of the DUP's fears The EU's wet dream. The UK locked into indefinite vassalage, bound by the rules of the EU, paying it for, but with no say whatsoever, unless and until they deign to allow us to leave.
If this is true, her party and the DUP are going to rip her to shreds.
This is going to be bloody.
Though more likely, given the past few months, is that cabinet will take the communique and roundly jam it up May's withered clunge and tomorrow everyone will be denying all knowledge of its existence.
The UK ends freedom of movement without leaving the customs union.
And they said it couldn't be done!!
needless to say I do not agree with your assessment. not least because the backstop does not involve us paying for those things (although we will no doubt pay for things under the future partnership and other things generally)
TBH I think it's best to study a document before leaping to conclusions.
no no no much more fun this way
Reading things THEN concluding on them is my day job
Damn, I thought it was chasing hookah smoking caterpillars.
Which Cabinet minister is going to stagger out of the one-to-one meeting literary in tears - a broken husk, inconsolable over a nation betrayed?
That raises the most pertinent question of the whole Brexit process: can we bet on this?
If I were her I'd make sure the doors between the cabinet room and the Downing Street front door are locked tomorrow to avoid anyone doing a Heseltine.
So the EU have presented the final draft of the May's total capitulation to them.
It's a nice gesture that they've bothered to let her read it, it's not like anyone cares what she thinks.
You may not but many more do care what both she thinks and the cabinet agree to
Name a single person who actually cares what Theresa May thinks.
That is just silly. She is the PM and how she presents this will matter to millions. I would also point out that she is far ahead of Corbyn and is well respected by many voters who recognise the poison chalice she inherited
She didn't inherit the poison chalice - that sounds like she got lumped with sorting out Brexit. Rather, she sought it out like a politician version of Indiana Jones. I can have no sympathy for her making a dog's breakfast of the whole thing.
Public opinion perceives TM as having a poisoned chalice
i am wondering if Angela Leadsom could be the sole contender for a coronation as the new Conservative leader and PM. Tory Brexiteers do not have time for an election to take place.
So the EU have presented the final draft of the May's total capitulation to them.
It's a nice gesture that they've bothered to let her read it, it's not like anyone cares what she thinks.
You may not but many more do care what both she thinks and the cabinet agree to
Name a single person who actually cares what Theresa May thinks.
That is just silly. She is the PM and how she presents this will matter to millions. I would also point out that she is far ahead of Corbyn and is well respected by many voters who recognise the poison chalice she inherited
She didn't inherit the poison chalice - that sounds like she got lumped with sorting out Brexit. Rather, she sought it out like a politician version of Indiana Jones. I can have no sympathy for her making a dog's breakfast of the whole thing.
Public opinion perceives TM as having a poisoned chalice
Media in hysteria and openly loving every minute of it
Come on now Big G, Westminster hacks LIVE for days like this !
This is where one journalist guesses something and another journalist picks it up and embellishes it, and everyone believes that it shows what they want to believe, and then another journalist overhears some junior official and makes a story out of what he thought she said, and then another embellishes it further but adds that the Irish aren't on board, and PB gets terribly excited at each twist and turn in the speculation.
i am wondering if Angela Leadsom could be the sole contender for a coronation as the new Conservative leader and PM. Tory Brexiteers do not have time for an election to take place.
Those two muppets will back pedal as fast as you like. Pair of chancers will not give up their place at the trough for principles. They just don a new set of principles, pair of chancers.
Which Cabinet minister is going to stagger out of the one-to-one meeting literary in tears - a broken husk, inconsolable over a nation betrayed?
That raises the most pertinent question of the whole Brexit process: can we bet on this?
If I were her I'd make sure the doors between the cabinet room and the Downing Street front door are locked tomorrow to avoid anyone doing a Heseltine.
They could even do a 'double Heseltine' by walking out and saying to any journalists around 'Vote Corbyn to stop Brexit'.
Media in hysteria and openly loving every minute of it
Come on now Big G, Westminster hacks LIVE for days like this !
This is where one journalist guesses something and another journalist picks it up and embellishes it, and everyone believes that it shows what they want to believe, and then another journalist overhears some junior official and makes a story out of what he thought she said, and then another embellishes it further but adds that the Irish aren't on board, and PB gets terribly excited at each twist and turn in the speculation.
Probably best to go with Tom Connelly rather than say Faisal Islam.
i am wondering if Angela Leadsom could be the sole contender for a coronation as the new Conservative leader and PM. Tory Brexiteers do not have time for an election to take place.
This is going to be top quality entertainment. What's the point in a technical agreement by diplomats if ihe poloroxoanstgey work for are so bitterly divided that the PM refuses to show them the legal advice and needs to plead with them one by one?
Redwood. "We are numerous. We are of one mind." Surprised it adds up to that much TBH.
Between them?
It is a very generous assessment. I'd say it's less of a "brain" and more a gelatinous aggregation of cells. Kinda like a jellyfish. Jexit means Jexit.
i am wondering if Angela Leadsom could be the sole contender for a coronation as the new Conservative leader and PM. Tory Brexiteers do not have time for an election to take place.
Who is Angela Leadsom?
Well, as we all know, Andrea Leadsom is a mother...
i am wondering if Angela Leadsom could be the sole contender for a coronation as the new Conservative leader and PM. Tory Brexiteers do not have time for an election to take place.
Who is Angela Leadsom?
Well, as we all know, Andrea Leadsom is a mother...
i am wondering if Angela Leadsom could be the sole contender for a coronation as the new Conservative leader and PM. Tory Brexiteers do not have time for an election to take place.
i am wondering if Angela Leadsom could be the sole contender for a coronation as the new Conservative leader and PM. Tory Brexiteers do not have time for an election to take place.
Redwood. "We are numerous. We are of one mind." Surprised it adds up to that much TBH.
On 5live he has said that there are at least 51 MP's that committed to vote against Chequers and this is worse. Added he does not know of the number of Jo Johnsons that would vote against.
So it looks like May has finally agreed the full text of the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU and is meeting Cabinet Ministers one to one tonight to go through it. So McVey and Leadsom may be potential resignations shortly.
May then needs to get it through Parliament and might well make it a confidence vote issue as Major did to get Maastricht through after losing as rebels joined with Labour initially on an amendment vote. I expect May will also withdraw the whip from ERG rebels or EUref2 rebels as Major did from Maastricht rebels in 1993
If we are still in a customs union the Tories are f---ed.
Really I don't buy this. How many voters give a tinker's for the ins and outs of customs unions. It is a Brexiteer fantasy that millions of voters yearn to do a free trade deal with the US.
So it looks like May has finally agreed the full text of the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU and is meeting Cabinet Ministers one to one tonight to go through it. So McVey and Leadsom May be potential resignations shortly.
May then needs to get it through Parliament and might well make it a confidence vote issue as Major did to get Maastricht through
FTPA prevents that. The *only* thing that counts as a confidence issue is a specific motion of no confidence, moved in accordance with the act.
Which, of course, gives the DUP and Brexiteers complete freedom to vote against this knowing it won't directly cause the government to fall.
That said. IF the rumours are correct, and May has sold out the DUP, I wouldn't be surprised if the DUP moved a motion of no confidence in her tomorrow.
So May has betrayed both remainers and leavers in a document they haven't seen yet ?
No doubt.
She has a unique and special talent for pleasing none of the people, none of the time. Perhaps we should cherish such a quirkily unusual lack of political talent.
So it looks like May has finally agreed the full text of the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU and is meeting Cabinet Ministers one to one tonight to go through it. So McVey and Leadsom May be potential resignations shortly.
May then needs to get it through Parliament and might well make it a confidence vote issue as Major did to get Maastricht through
FTPA prevents that. The *only* thing that counts as a confidence issue is a specific motion of no confidence, moved in accordance with the act.
Which, of course, gives the DUP and Brexiteers complete freedom to vote against this knowing it won't directly cause the government to fall.
That said. IF the rumours are correct, and May has sold out the DUP, I wouldn't be surprised if the DUP moved a motion of no confidence in her tomorrow.
That is precisely what May will do, a no confidence vote as Major did in 1993 and all the rebels bar the diehards will fold exactly as happened then.
May will say she is prepared for a general election on a manifesto for her Deal and will not change from that position
So May has betrayed both remainers and leavers in a document they haven't seen yet ?
No doubt.
She has a unique and special talent for pleasing none of the people, none of the time. Perhaps we should cherish such a quirkily unusual lack of political talent.
You've obviously read it - what are the highlights?
I wish there were a way to bet on how long May's "leak proof" reading room will take to spring a leak.
Well, half the commentariat, two thirds of politicians, and 98% of PB seem to have formed a view on the text without the inconvenience of having to actually read it, so leaks seem to be superfluous.
So it looks like May has finally agreed the full text of the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU and is meeting Cabinet Ministers one to one tonight to go through it. So McVey and Leadsom May be potential resignations shortly.
May then needs to get it through Parliament and might well make it a confidence vote issue as Major did to get Maastricht through
FTPA prevents that. The *only* thing that counts as a confidence issue is a specific motion of no confidence, moved in accordance with the act.
Which, of course, gives the DUP and Brexiteers complete freedom to vote against this knowing it won't directly cause the government to fall.
That said. IF the rumours are correct, and May has sold out the DUP, I wouldn't be surprised if the DUP moved a motion of no confidence in her tomorrow.
That is precisely what May will do, a no confidence vote as Major did in 1993 and all the rebels bar the diehards will fold exactly as happened then.
May will say she is prepared for a general election on a manifesto for her Deal and will not change from that position
I wish there were a way to bet on how long May's "leak proof" reading room will take to spring a leak.
Well, half the commentariat, two thirds of politicians, and 98% of PB seem to have formed a view on the text without the inconvenience of having to actually read it, so leaks seem to be superfluous.
I wish there were a way to bet on how long May's "leak proof" reading room will take to spring a leak.
Well, half the commentariat, two thirds of politicians, and 98% of PB seem to have formed a view on the text without the inconvenience of having to actually read it, so leaks seem to be superfluous.
So it looks like May has finally agreed the full text of the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU and is meeting Cabinet Ministers one to one tonight to go through it. So McVey and Leadsom May be potential resignations shortly.
May then needs to get it through Parliament and might well make it a confidence vote issue as Major did to get Maastricht through
FTPA prevents that. The *only* thing that counts as a confidence issue is a specific motion of no confidence, moved in accordance with the act.
Which, of course, gives the DUP and Brexiteers complete freedom to vote against this knowing it won't directly cause the government to fall.
That said. IF the rumours are correct, and May has sold out the DUP, I wouldn't be surprised if the DUP moved a motion of no confidence in her tomorrow.
That is precisely what May will do, a no confidence vote as Major did in 1993 and all the rebels bar the diehards will fold exactly as happened then.
May will say she is prepared for a general election on a manifesto for her Deal and will not change from that position
FTPA makes it much harder for Mrs May to turn this into a confidence vote than in Major's day.
Like it can be a confidence vote in her, but the Prime Minister falling doesn't meant the government isn't secure.
So it looks like May has finally agreed the full text of the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU and is meeting Cabinet Ministers one to one tonight to go through it. So McVey and Leadsom May be potential resignations shortly.
May then needs to get it through Parliament and might well make it a confidence vote issue as Major did to get Maastricht through
FTPA prevents that. The *only* thing that counts as a confidence issue is a specific motion of no confidence, moved in accordance with the act.
Which, of course, gives the DUP and Brexiteers complete freedom to vote against this knowing it won't directly cause the government to fall.
That said. IF the rumours are correct, and May has sold out the DUP, I wouldn't be surprised if the DUP moved a motion of no confidence in her tomorrow.
That is precisely what May will do, a no confidence vote as Major did in 1993 and all the rebels bar the diehards will fold exactly as happened then.
May will say she is prepared for a general election on a manifesto for her Deal and will not change from that position
Except the VONC will happen first?
If May wins that as she almost certainly will she is safe for a year and cannot be challenged.
Remember she only needs 50.01% of Tory MPs and 50.2% voted for her even in just the first round in 2016 and 60% in the second.
So it looks like May has finally agreed the full text of the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU and is meeting Cabinet Ministers one to one tonight to go through it. So McVey and Leadsom May be potential resignations shortly.
May then needs to get it through Parliament and might well make it a confidence vote issue as Major did to get Maastricht through
FTPA prevents that. The *only* thing that counts as a confidence issue is a specific motion of no confidence, moved in accordance with the act.
Which, of course, gives the DUP and Brexiteers complete freedom to vote against this knowing it won't directly cause the government to fall.
That said. IF the rumours are correct, and May has sold out the DUP, I wouldn't be surprised if the DUP moved a motion of no confidence in her tomorrow.
That is precisely what May will do, a no confidence vote as Major did in 1993 and all the rebels bar the diehards will fold exactly as happened then.
May will say she is prepared for a general election on a manifesto for her Deal and will not change from that position
Except the VONC will happen first?
If May wins that as she almost certainly will she is safe for a year and cannot be challenged.
Remember she only needs 50.01% of Tory MPs and 50.2% voted for her even in just the first round in 2016 and 60% in the second.
Only 120 Tory MPs backed Leave
If Hunt and Javid don't both back her, she is toast.
So it looks like May has finally agreed the full text of the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU and is meeting Cabinet Ministers one to one tonight to go through it. So McVey and Leadsom May be potential resignations shortly.
May then needs to get it through Parliament and might well make it a confidence vote issue as Major did to get Maastricht through
FTPA prevents that. The *only* thing that counts as a confidence issue is a specific motion of no confidence, moved in accordance with the act.
Which, of course, gives the DUP and Brexiteers complete freedom to vote against this knowing it won't directly cause the government to fall.
That said. IF the rumours are correct, and May has sold out the DUP, I wouldn't be surprised if the DUP moved a motion of no confidence in her tomorrow.
That is precisely what May will do, a no confidence vote as Major did in 1993 and all the rebels bar the diehards will fold exactly as happened then.
May will say she is prepared for a general election on a manifesto for her Deal and will not change from that position
FTPA makes it much harder for Mrs May to turn this into a confidence vote than in Major's day.
Like it can be a confidence vote in her, but the Prime Minister falling doesn't meant the government isn't secure.
Unless 50%+ of Tory MPs no confidence her inevitably it will be a vote of no confidence in the government too
Comments
Not exactly a denial.
That must be a record, guys!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H3rdfI28s0
Surprised it adds up to that much TBH.
'Vote Corbyn to stop Brexit'.
How many cabinet resignations can she survive?
What a "too doo" isn't it?
The end of the beginning. The phony war is over. May has sold the Brexiteers down the river, and achieved eternal vassalage in exchange for nothing.
Now we can AT LAST start phase 2 of the Great Brexit Constitutional Crisis, civil war.
Finally.
This was supposed to begin two months ago.
May then needs to get it through Parliament and might well make it a confidence vote issue as Major did to get Maastricht through after losing as rebels joined with Labour initially on an amendment vote. I expect May will also withdraw the whip from ERG rebels or EUref2 rebels as Major did from Maastricht rebels in 1993
All we need now is an abdication crisis.
Really I don't buy this. How many voters give a tinker's for the ins and outs of customs unions. It is a Brexiteer fantasy that millions of voters yearn to do a free trade deal with the US.
Now, if we still have FoM, that's another matter.
Which, of course, gives the DUP and Brexiteers complete freedom to vote against this knowing it won't directly cause the government to fall.
That said. IF the rumours are correct, and May has sold out the DUP, I wouldn't be surprised if the DUP moved a motion of no confidence in her tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/SamuelMarcLowe/status/1062394388683411456
https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1062381658567979008
No doubt.
May will say she is prepared for a general election on a manifesto for her Deal and will not change from that position
Deciding that the DUP are not serious about their threat to bring down the government would be an incalculably foolish error.
Like it can be a confidence vote in her, but the Prime Minister falling doesn't meant the government isn't secure.
*imperial march starts playing*
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-mp-fiona-onasanya-denies-lying-to-police-over-speeding-offence-pw20xvz87
Remember she only needs 50.01% of Tory MPs and 50.2% voted for her even in just the first round in 2016 and 60% in the second.
Only 120 Tory MPs backed Leave
https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1062398153431879680