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The financial crisis effected the lives of most people, it hit hard in employment and in people's wallet. The last few years have been stable so the sensible, dependable is still usable. If inflation/interest rates shoot up in coming years that is when the Conservatives will in serious trouble. If the economy remains stable Brexit or not they will stay fairly solid. They could do with sorting the current boundaries for certain, a huge handicap.MJW said:
Other problem is they've completely lost the sense that they're the only sensible dependable game in town. That helped them get over the line in 2015 and looked likely to deliver a thumping win in 2017. Now, no Tory will be taken seriously when they argue a Labour govt will lead to chaos as the Tories have done so by losing not one but two electoral gambles designed for party political advantage. A reputation of sober stability won't come back for a very long time - if ever. Look at what the financial crisis and what it did to Labour's economic credibility - and that on the whole, wasn't unnecessarily self-inflicted.williamglenn said:
They were performing a high-wire act to channel the left over Brexit euphoria from June last year. Now that's gone it will not come back.Lucian_Fletcher said:One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.0 -
ThanksTheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories won the women's vote by 4% in 2015.Pong said:
That's not narrow - that's substantial.Bobajob_PB said:
Won by 5pts I think?Danny565 said:According to theTimes, Labour did indeed narrowly win the women's vote.
I wonder how it compares to previous elections? Has the gender split ever been more pronounced?
More evidence for my gender stereotype theory of TM's unpopularity.
TM really turns off young and middle aged women.
I don't think it's just tory branding/policy/leadership - I think a bit of it is personal.
She's the manipulative mother-in-law.0 -
Did GO not say about 10 months ago that he was going to plot the downfall of (or possibly it was get revenge upon) his enemies?
Fast worker.0 -
I was thinking of the "vice"David_Evershed said:
Only Viceroy. Why not Roy?Sunil_Prasannan said:
TSE should become the new Tory Viceroy of PB.TheScreamingEagles said:Boo, David Liddington the new Justice Secretary.
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As in all Shakespearean tragedies, the protagonist's personal flaws bring destruction upon themselves.Ishmael_Z said:Did GO not say about 10 months ago that he was going to plot the downfall of (or possibly it was get revenge upon) his enemies?
Fast worker.0 -
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They should look out for the bell end.Scott_P said:@BrianSpanner1: I foresee Jeremy Corbyn doing a cult tour of the UK, as Sturgeon did.
They never see beyond the peak of the bell curve.0 -
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.0 -
So, this Gauke fellah. Is he in favour of a social care cap or not?0
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May should give jobs to Heidi Allen and Sarah Woolaston as it might be better to have them in gov't than carping on the outside.0
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Central plank of her bid bring back hanging?GIN1138 said:
Wonder whether Priti will launch a leadership bid tomorrow?TheScreamingEagles said:Rumours swirling that Priti Patel either sacked or demoted
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May is like the Headmistress of a middle class girls school. Probably competent but stiff and old fashioned.Pong said:
ThanksTheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories won the women's vote by 4% in 2015.Pong said:
That's not narrow - that's substantial.Bobajob_PB said:
Won by 5pts I think?Danny565 said:According to theTimes, Labour did indeed narrowly win the women's vote.
I wonder how it compares to previous elections? Has the gender split ever been more pronounced?
More evidence for my gender stereotype theory of TM's unpopularity.
TM really turns off young and middle aged women.
I don't think it's just tory branding/policy/leadership - I think a bit of it is personal.
She's the manipulative mother-in-law.
Corbyn is like a Humanities lecturer at a crap Uni...0 -
I was told a few years ago, you have to win the support of the overs 50 women.Pong said:
ThanksTheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories won the women's vote by 4% in 2015.Pong said:
That's not narrow - that's substantial.Bobajob_PB said:
Won by 5pts I think?Danny565 said:According to theTimes, Labour did indeed narrowly win the women's vote.
I wonder how it compares to previous elections? Has the gender split ever been more pronounced?
More evidence for my gender stereotype theory of TM's unpopularity.
TM really turns off young and middle aged women.
I don't think it's just tory branding/policy/leadership - I think a bit of it is personal.
She's the manipulative mother-in-law.
They called it the son/daughter-in-law test. Would you like this candidate as your son/daughter-in-law.
She's clearly funked the test.
Both Cameron and Blair passed that test.0 -
I think the "probably competent" thingy has been seen through now.isam said:
May is like the Headmistress of a middle class girls school. Probably competent but stiff and old fashioned.Pong said:
ThanksTheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories won the women's vote by 4% in 2015.Pong said:
That's not narrow - that's substantial.Bobajob_PB said:
Won by 5pts I think?Danny565 said:According to theTimes, Labour did indeed narrowly win the women's vote.
I wonder how it compares to previous elections? Has the gender split ever been more pronounced?
More evidence for my gender stereotype theory of TM's unpopularity.
TM really turns off young and middle aged women.
I don't think it's just tory branding/policy/leadership - I think a bit of it is personal.
She's the manipulative mother-in-law.
Corbyn is like a Humanities lecturer at a crap Uni...
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Does that apply when the candidate is a 60 year old woman??!TheScreamingEagles said:
I was told a few years ago, you have to win the support of the overs 50 women.Pong said:
ThanksTheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories won the women's vote by 4% in 2015.Pong said:
That's not narrow - that's substantial.Bobajob_PB said:
Won by 5pts I think?Danny565 said:According to theTimes, Labour did indeed narrowly win the women's vote.
I wonder how it compares to previous elections? Has the gender split ever been more pronounced?
More evidence for my gender stereotype theory of TM's unpopularity.
TM really turns off young and middle aged women.
I don't think it's just tory branding/policy/leadership - I think a bit of it is personal.
She's the manipulative mother-in-law.
They called it the son/daughter-in-law test. Would you like this candidate as your son/daughter-in-law.
She's clearly funked the test.
Both Cameron and Blair passed that test.0 -
Pong
My mate just boiled it down to "women don't like May".
Whether fair or not, dunno.0 -
Do you think that you might be a bit of a bigot?Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.0 -
As depicted in every edition of Private Eye.isam said:
May is like the Headmistress of a middle class girls school. Probably competent but stiff and old fashioned.Pong said:
ThanksTheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories won the women's vote by 4% in 2015.Pong said:
That's not narrow - that's substantial.Bobajob_PB said:
Won by 5pts I think?Danny565 said:According to theTimes, Labour did indeed narrowly win the women's vote.
I wonder how it compares to previous elections? Has the gender split ever been more pronounced?
More evidence for my gender stereotype theory of TM's unpopularity.
TM really turns off young and middle aged women.
I don't think it's just tory branding/policy/leadership - I think a bit of it is personal.
She's the manipulative mother-in-law.0 -
Or was it the Dementia Tax? Older women are more aware of the awful consequences of this illness I suspect than older men.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was told a few years ago, you have to win the support of the overs 50 women.Pong said:
ThanksTheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories won the women's vote by 4% in 2015.Pong said:
That's not narrow - that's substantial.Bobajob_PB said:
Won by 5pts I think?Danny565 said:According to theTimes, Labour did indeed narrowly win the women's vote.
I wonder how it compares to previous elections? Has the gender split ever been more pronounced?
More evidence for my gender stereotype theory of TM's unpopularity.
TM really turns off young and middle aged women.
I don't think it's just tory branding/policy/leadership - I think a bit of it is personal.
She's the manipulative mother-in-law.
They called it the son/daughter-in-law test. Would you like this candidate as your son/daughter-in-law.
She's clearly funked the test.
Both Cameron and Blair passed that test.0 -
Given this administration is likely to last a matter of months, does it matter ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Gove, he was going to be the greatest force for Justice and rehabilitation in this country until Theresa May sacked him.rottenborough said:
Poor sod. Who would want it?TheScreamingEagles said:Boo, David Liddington the new Justice Secretary.
But I agree, this seems to be the one cabinet job at which Gove would have excelled (in sharp contrast to Education). He might also have made a not awful Foreign Secretary.
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I don't believe that with current results , that the new boundaries will be very helpful at all to the Conservatives but we will have to see what the revised boundary proposals are when they are published .macisback said:
The financial crisis effected the lives of most people, it hit hard in employment and in people's wallet. The last few years have been stable so the sensible, dependable is still usable. If inflation/interest rates shoot up in coming years that is when the Conservatives will in serious trouble. If the economy remains stable Brexit or not they will stay fairly solid. They could do with sorting the current boundaries for certain, a huge handicap.MJW said:
Other problem is they've completely lost the sense that they're the only sensible dependable game in town. That helped them get over the line in 2015 and looked likely to deliver a thumping win in 2017. Now, no Tory will be taken seriously when they argue a Labour govt will lead to chaos as the Tories have done so by losing not one but two electoral gambles designed for party political advantage. A reputation of sober stability won't come back for a very long time - if ever. Look at what the financial crisis and what it did to Labour's economic credibility - and that on the whole, wasn't unnecessarily self-inflicted.williamglenn said:
They were performing a high-wire act to channel the left over Brexit euphoria from June last year. Now that's gone it will not come back.Lucian_Fletcher said:One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.0 -
What party do most muslims vote for and which party has a jewish problem ?Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.0 -
Parliament is certainly "hung"Bobajob_PB said:
Central plank of her bid bring back hanging?GIN1138 said:
Wonder whether Priti will launch a leadership bid tomorrow?TheScreamingEagles said:Rumours swirling that Priti Patel either sacked or demoted
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Mr. Borough, more importantly, there's disproportionately more old women than men, so even if they feel equally about it, that's a skew of female voters against the Conservatives.0
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I think that a fair number of women are against May because she is not a mother. I personally do not giving a damn whether someone has kids, but I've seen it mentioned quite a bit, and mostly from it seems to come from women. I'm also fairly sure that being religious is net negative as well.Pong said:Thanks
More evidence for my gender stereotype theory of TM's unpopularity.
TM really turns off young and middle aged women.
I don't think it's just tory branding/policy/leadership - I think a bit of it is personal.
She's the manipulative mother-in-law.
It's kind of weird that for all our modern civil rights and endless equalities legislation that there still are these very deep seated prejudices about a person's private life.
Of course it's even worse in the US where you had better be a God fearing Christian if you have a hope of being elected to high office.0 -
Both, I went to the debate in Cambridge, I was told one of the focus groups had Mrs May as the annoying daughter in law who when she first visits her in laws is secretly wondering what the value of the house is, so she knows what the inheritance she'll be getting in a few years.rottenborough said:
Or was it the Dementia Tax? Older women are more aware of the awful consequences of this illness I suspect than older men.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was told a few years ago, you have to win the support of the overs 50 women.Pong said:
ThanksTheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories won the women's vote by 4% in 2015.Pong said:
That's not narrow - that's substantial.Bobajob_PB said:
Won by 5pts I think?Danny565 said:According to theTimes, Labour did indeed narrowly win the women's vote.
I wonder how it compares to previous elections? Has the gender split ever been more pronounced?
More evidence for my gender stereotype theory of TM's unpopularity.
TM really turns off young and middle aged women.
I don't think it's just tory branding/policy/leadership - I think a bit of it is personal.
She's the manipulative mother-in-law.
They called it the son/daughter-in-law test. Would you like this candidate as your son/daughter-in-law.
She's clearly funked the test.
Both Cameron and Blair passed that test.0 -
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/0 -
Is May in control of this reshuffle ?0
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The difference in Hendon and Golders Green was not as noticeable as I thought it might be, but it is there:Tykejohnno said:
What party do most muslims vote for and which party has a jewish problem ?Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
https://1drv.ms/x/s!Av4jQcUMVtBph3c7a-fVOp0nwzpl0 -
I think she would have been competent if she had just got on with the job, but she clearly isn't showbiz enough in the modern world of campaigning.rottenborough said:
I think the "probably competent" thingy has been seen through now.isam said:
May is like the Headmistress of a middle class girls school. Probably competent but stiff and old fashioned.Pong said:
ThanksTheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories won the women's vote by 4% in 2015.Pong said:
That's not narrow - that's substantial.Bobajob_PB said:
Won by 5pts I think?Danny565 said:According to theTimes, Labour did indeed narrowly win the women's vote.
I wonder how it compares to previous elections? Has the gender split ever been more pronounced?
More evidence for my gender stereotype theory of TM's unpopularity.
TM really turns off young and middle aged women.
I don't think it's just tory branding/policy/leadership - I think a bit of it is personal.
She's the manipulative mother-in-law.
Corbyn is like a Humanities lecturer at a crap Uni...0 -
Oh really? Great minds think alike! Or maybe my mind is subliminally influenced by Private EyeJohnO said:
As depicted in every edition of Private Eye.isam said:
May is like the Headmistress of a middle class girls school. Probably competent but stiff and old fashioned.Pong said:
ThanksTheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories won the women's vote by 4% in 2015.Pong said:
That's not narrow - that's substantial.Bobajob_PB said:
Won by 5pts I think?Danny565 said:According to theTimes, Labour did indeed narrowly win the women's vote.
I wonder how it compares to previous elections? Has the gender split ever been more pronounced?
More evidence for my gender stereotype theory of TM's unpopularity.
TM really turns off young and middle aged women.
I don't think it's just tory branding/policy/leadership - I think a bit of it is personal.
She's the manipulative mother-in-law.0 -
QTWTAINDanSmith said:Is May in control of this reshuffle ?
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He'd have made an excellent Chancellor.Nigelb said:
Given this administration is likely to last a matter of months, does it matter ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Gove, he was going to be the greatest force for Justice and rehabilitation in this country until Theresa May sacked him.rottenborough said:
Poor sod. Who would want it?TheScreamingEagles said:Boo, David Liddington the new Justice Secretary.
But I agree, this seems to be the one cabinet job at which Gove would have excelled (in sharp contrast to Education). He might also have made a not awful Foreign Secretary.
Had Remain won last year, it is very likely that he would have become Chancellor before 20200 -
Loyalist-backed Con-DUP government is being urged to prioritise allowing Orange marches down Catholic roads. Because it's their "culture".
https://twitter.com/Portadownlol1/status/8736387799108403200 -
They are pro welfare but also think that gay people are an abomination. Toxic.Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/0 -
She'll not get a reduction to 600 past her party now imho.MarkSenior said:
I don't believe that with current results , that the new boundaries will be very helpful at all to the Conservatives but we will have to see what the revised boundary proposals are when they are published .macisback said:
The financial crisis effected the lives of most people, it hit hard in employment and in people's wallet. The last few years have been stable so the sensible, dependable is still usable. If inflation/interest rates shoot up in coming years that is when the Conservatives will in serious trouble. If the economy remains stable Brexit or not they will stay fairly solid. They could do with sorting the current boundaries for certain, a huge handicap.MJW said:
Other problem is they've completely lost the sense that they're the only sensible dependable game in town. That helped them get over the line in 2015 and looked likely to deliver a thumping win in 2017. Now, no Tory will be taken seriously when they argue a Labour govt will lead to chaos as the Tories have done so by losing not one but two electoral gambles designed for party political advantage. A reputation of sober stability won't come back for a very long time - if ever. Look at what the financial crisis and what it did to Labour's economic credibility - and that on the whole, wasn't unnecessarily self-inflicted.williamglenn said:
They were performing a high-wire act to channel the left over Brexit euphoria from June last year. Now that's gone it will not come back.Lucian_Fletcher said:One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.0 -
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/0 -
Principle doesn't apply to GO's last visit to Downing Street.TheScreamingEagles said:Ok, so Priti Patel coming to Downing Street, so not sacked.
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no BaJ quite happily dismisses the views of 80+% of the world's population but that's okSean_F said:
Do you think that you might be a bit of a bigot?Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.0 -
Jeremy Hunt stays at Health0
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Many Labour voters also think that way?Bobajob_PB said:but also think that gay people are an abomination. Toxic.
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LOL = LOLEPG said:Loyalist-backed Con-DUP government is being urged to prioritise allowing Orange marches down Catholic roads. Because it's their "culture".
https://twitter.com/Portadownlol1/status/8736387799108403200 -
North London's Jews ensured that 3, perhaps 4, seats were held by the Conservatives (Hindus in Harrow East must also have supported the Tories).tlg86 said:
The difference in Hendon and Golders Green was not as noticeable as I thought it might be, but it is there:Tykejohnno said:
What party do most muslims vote for and which party has a jewish problem ?Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
https://1drv.ms/x/s!Av4jQcUMVtBph3c7a-fVOp0nwzpl0 -
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/0 -
LOL well obviously Priti wouldn't actually get anywhere but the point is it will only take one stalking horse to have a go and the whole thing will collapse for Mrs May as others throw their hats in the ring.Bobajob_PB said:
Central plank of her bid bring back hanging?GIN1138 said:
Wonder whether Priti will launch a leadership bid tomorrow?TheScreamingEagles said:Rumours swirling that Priti Patel either sacked or demoted
Anybody she sacks this afternoon could potentially end her career tomorrow. Must be a tough position to be in...0 -
He's like a limpet, will he be ever moved? lolTheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Hunt stays at Health
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so do many muslims explain to me the differenceBobajob_PB said:
They are pro welfare but also think that gay people are an abomination. Toxic.Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/0 -
She won't get it past the DUP.rottenborough said:
She'll not get a reduction to 600 past her party now imho.MarkSenior said:
I don't believe that with current results , that the new boundaries will be very helpful at all to the Conservatives but we will have to see what the revised boundary proposals are when they are published .macisback said:
The financial crisis effected the lives of most people, it hit hard in employment and in people's wallet. The last few years have been stable so the sensible, dependable is still usable. If inflation/interest rates shoot up in coming years that is when the Conservatives will in serious trouble. If the economy remains stable Brexit or not they will stay fairly solid. They could do with sorting the current boundaries for certain, a huge handicap.MJW said:
Other problem is they've completely lost the sense that they're the only sensible dependable game in town. That helped them get over the line in 2015 and looked likely to deliver a thumping win in 2017. Now, no Tory will be taken seriously when they argue a Labour govt will lead to chaos as the Tories have done so by losing not one but two electoral gambles designed for party political advantage. A reputation of sober stability won't come back for a very long time - if ever. Look at what the financial crisis and what it did to Labour's economic credibility - and that on the whole, wasn't unnecessarily self-inflicted.williamglenn said:
They were performing a high-wire act to channel the left over Brexit euphoria from June last year. Now that's gone it will not come back.Lucian_Fletcher said:One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.0 -
So I was right, we should give the six counties to the Republic.Alanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/0 -
Might be easier now rather than harder?rottenborough said:
She'll not get a reduction to 600 past her party now imho.MarkSenior said:
I don't believe that with current results , that the new boundaries will be very helpful at all to the Conservatives but we will have to see what the revised boundary proposals are when they are published .macisback said:
The financial crisis effected the lives of most people, it hit hard in employment and in people's wallet. The last few years have been stable so the sensible, dependable is still usable. If inflation/interest rates shoot up in coming years that is when the Conservatives will in serious trouble. If the economy remains stable Brexit or not they will stay fairly solid. They could do with sorting the current boundaries for certain, a huge handicap.MJW said:
Other problem is they've completely lost the sense that they're the only sensible dependable game in town. That helped them get over the line in 2015 and looked likely to deliver a thumping win in 2017. Now, no Tory will be taken seriously when they argue a Labour govt will lead to chaos as the Tories have done so by losing not one but two electoral gambles designed for party political advantage. A reputation of sober stability won't come back for a very long time - if ever. Look at what the financial crisis and what it did to Labour's economic credibility - and that on the whole, wasn't unnecessarily self-inflicted.williamglenn said:
They were performing a high-wire act to channel the left over Brexit euphoria from June last year. Now that's gone it will not come back.Lucian_Fletcher said:One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.
Fewer (current) MPs to find alternative seats or jobs for after the trimming?
One of the (few) inconveniences of a big majority might have been buying off a larger number of turkeys voting for Christmas.0 -
It would be pure pedantry to point out that without that vote the SNP would have won by 1 vote but still won.viewcode said:0 -
the Republic is more right wing than SE EnglandTheScreamingEagles said:
So I was right, we should give the six counties to the Republic.Alanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/
maybe just send all the pakistanis from mainland England there and they can all be happy
Id advise you buy a house on the North Coast0 -
No, the DUP are more populist UKIP than LabourAlanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/0 -
There are a couple of you on here who are little too enthusiastic about randomly giving bits of the country away.TheScreamingEagles said:
So I was right, we should give the six counties to the Republic.Alanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/
Should residents of Kent start learning French just in case?0 -
It is a farce. May should just resign. It really is a horror show, played out before our eyes. Arlene Foster's puppet. No surrender!!GIN1138 said:
LOL well obviously Priti wouldn't actually get anywhere but the point is it will only take one stalking horse to have a go and the whole thing will collapse for Mrs May as others throw their hats in the ring.Bobajob_PB said:
Central plank of her bid bring back hanging?GIN1138 said:
Wonder whether Priti will launch a leadership bid tomorrow?TheScreamingEagles said:Rumours swirling that Priti Patel either sacked or demoted
Anybody she sacks this afternoon could potentially end her career tomorrow. Must be a tough position to be in...0 -
They couldn't be any worse surely, in my seat Derby North the two most Derby Conservative wards were chopped off and allocated to rural seats, even though inside the City boundary. It was a great effort to take it in 2015 for the Conservatives.MarkSenior said:
I don't believe that with current results , that the new boundaries will be very helpful at all to the Conservatives but we will have to see what the revised boundary proposals are when they are published .macisback said:
The financial crisis effected the lives of most people, it hit hard in employment and in people's wallet. The last few years have been stable so the sensible, dependable is still usable. If inflation/interest rates shoot up in coming years that is when the Conservatives will in serious trouble. If the economy remains stable Brexit or not they will stay fairly solid. They could do with sorting the current boundaries for certain, a huge handicap.MJW said:
Other problem is they've completely lost the sense that they're the only sensible dependable game in town. That helped them get over the line in 2015 and looked likely to deliver a thumping win in 2017. Now, no Tory will be taken seriously when they argue a Labour govt will lead to chaos as the Tories have done so by losing not one but two electoral gambles designed for party political advantage. A reputation of sober stability won't come back for a very long time - if ever. Look at what the financial crisis and what it did to Labour's economic credibility - and that on the whole, wasn't unnecessarily self-inflicted.williamglenn said:
They were performing a high-wire act to channel the left over Brexit euphoria from June last year. Now that's gone it will not come back.Lucian_Fletcher said:One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.0 -
Where did you get that idea, Chris? You are just repeating the usual Tory smears, I`m afraid.Chris said:
Sadly, for the Lib Dems, being elected is a purpose in itself.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Atia2, cite the hypocrisy.
I don't approve of the DUP deal. I'd prefer a Con-Lib Dem deal. Unfortunately, Farron has decided the purpose of being elected is to oppose the government rather than to try and govern the country, and he's ruled out such a deal.
A deal with the Lib Dems might have been possible, Mr Dancer. But if the Tories had wanted that, they ought to have treated the Lib Dems more fairy, both in their time in government and in the subsequent election. The trouble is that the Tories are totally arrogant, and never think ahead.
Likewise the Labour Party, who are now calling on all the smaller parties to fall into line and support them, without conceding anything at all. The Labour Party did nothing at all to help pass progressive measures in the Coalition years, not even when those policies had been in their own manifesto in the previous election. Short-sighted and arrogant.0 -
certainlyHYUFD said:
No, the DUP are more populist UKIP than LabourAlanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/
theyre like the 2 in 3 voters in N England who Labour welcomed back last week0 -
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. For the greater good and all that jazz.GeoffM said:
There are a couple of you on here who are little too enthusiastic about randomly giving bits of the country away.TheScreamingEagles said:
So I was right, we should give the six counties to the Republic.Alanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/
Should residents of Kent start learning French just in case?0 -
Some people would happily get rid of everything apart from posh parts of London and Home Counties.GeoffM said:
There are a couple of you on here who are little too enthusiastic about randomly giving bits of the country away.TheScreamingEagles said:
So I was right, we should give the six counties to the Republic.Alanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/
Should residents of Kent start learning French just in case?0 -
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and yet despite your bleating Labour fails to offer ordinary voters in NI a non sectarian alternativeBobajob_PB said:
It is a farce. May should just resign. It really is a horror show, played out before our eyes. Arlene Foster's puppet. No surrender!!GIN1138 said:
LOL well obviously Priti wouldn't actually get anywhere but the point is it will only take one stalking horse to have a go and the whole thing will collapse for Mrs May as others throw their hats in the ring.Bobajob_PB said:
Central plank of her bid bring back hanging?GIN1138 said:
Wonder whether Priti will launch a leadership bid tomorrow?TheScreamingEagles said:Rumours swirling that Priti Patel either sacked or demoted
Anybody she sacks this afternoon could potentially end her career tomorrow. Must be a tough position to be in...
how do you explain that ?0 -
And if my aunt had a willy she'd be my uncle etc etc. As it is, it offered a choice of terrorists and raging sectarian homophobes.Alanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/0 -
TSE channels Corbyn!TheScreamingEagles said:
So I was right, we should give the six counties to the Republic.Alanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/ 0 -
Labour refused to set up candidates in the electionBobajob_PB said:
And if my aunt had a willy she'd be my uncle etc etc. As it is, it offered a choice of terrorists and raging sectarian homophobes.Alanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/
if youre complaining about the outcome maybe you should offer people an alternative0 -
The Conservatives got 318 seats for 43% of the vote 7.4 seats per %macisback said:
They couldn't be any worse surely, in my seat Derby North the two most Derby Conservative wards were chopped off and allocated to rural seats, even though inside the City boundary. It was a great effort to take it in 2015 for the Conservatives.MarkSenior said:
I don't believe that with current results , that the new boundaries will be very helpful at all to the Conservatives but we will have to see what the revised boundary proposals are when they are published .macisback said:
The financial crisis effected the lives of most people, it hit hard in employment and in people's wallet. The last few years have been stable so the sensible, dependable is still usable. If inflation/interest rates shoot up in coming years that is when the Conservatives will in serious trouble. If the economy remains stable Brexit or not they will stay fairly solid. They could do with sorting the current boundaries for certain, a huge handicap.MJW said:
Other problem is they've completely lost the sense that they're the only sensible dependable game in town. That helped them get over the line in 2015 and looked likely to deliver a thumping win in 2017. Now, no Tory will be taken seriously when they argue a Labour govt will lead to chaos as the Tories have done so by losing not one but two electoral gambles designed for party political advantage. A reputation of sober stability won't come back for a very long time - if ever. Look at what the financial crisis and what it did to Labour's economic credibility - and that on the whole, wasn't unnecessarily self-inflicted.williamglenn said:
They were performing a high-wire act to channel the left over Brexit euphoria from June last year. Now that's gone it will not come back.Lucian_Fletcher said:One point I'd like to make is that those people who claim the Tories are doomed are forgetting the Tories were genuinely miles ahead at the locals. If they can lose support that quickly, they can get it back.
But not without a swift about turn, I accept that.
Labour got 263 seats for 40% of the vote 6.6 seats per %
If ( a big if ) the new boundaries are a bit fairer then the Conservatives will suffer fractionally as the current boundaries are now slightly favourable to them0 -
328 seatsBobajob_PB said:
It is a farce. May should just resign. It really is a horror show, played out before our eyes. Arlene Foster's puppet. No surrender!!GIN1138 said:
LOL well obviously Priti wouldn't actually get anywhere but the point is it will only take one stalking horse to have a go and the whole thing will collapse for Mrs May as others throw their hats in the ring.Bobajob_PB said:
Central plank of her bid bring back hanging?GIN1138 said:
Wonder whether Priti will launch a leadership bid tomorrow?TheScreamingEagles said:Rumours swirling that Priti Patel either sacked or demoted
Anybody she sacks this afternoon could potentially end her career tomorrow. Must be a tough position to be in...
Coalition of Chaos = 315 0 -
Why doesn't your party stand candidates in NI?Bobajob_PB said:
And if my aunt had a willy she'd be my uncle etc etc. As it is, it offered a choice of terrorists and raging sectarian homophobes.Alanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/0 -
I've been to Donegal.Alanbrooke said:
the Republic is more right wing than SE EnglandTheScreamingEagles said:
So I was right, we should give the six counties to the Republic.Alanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/
maybe just send all the pakistanis from mainland England there and they can all be happy
Id advise you buy a house on the North Coast0 -
See? TSE channelsTheScreamingEagles said:
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. For the greater good and all that jazz.GeoffM said:
There are a couple of you on here who are little too enthusiastic about randomly giving bits of the country away.TheScreamingEagles said:
So I was right, we should give the six counties to the Republic.Alanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/
Should residents of Kent start learning French just in case?SpockCorbyn yet again! 0 -
Loyal Orange lodge.Bobajob_PB said:
LOL = LOLEPG said:Loyalist-backed Con-DUP government is being urged to prioritise allowing Orange marches down Catholic roads. Because it's their "culture".
https://twitter.com/Portadownlol1/status/8736387799108403200 -
There is no difference.Alanbrooke said:
so do many muslims explain to me the differenceBobajob_PB said:
They are pro welfare but also think that gay people are an abomination. Toxic.Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/0 -
Ironically, after commenting that the Lib Dem score was the most impossible to get right in advance, I got that one spot on.
It was because I felt the data from the polls would be far less useful for the LD seat share and went to seat-by-seat analysis based on demographics, voting history, and effort expended in them instead. Which seems to be pretty similar to what the YouGov model tried to do for every seat, with some success.Andy_Cooke said:
I did umm and ah between 11 and 12 for the LDs for my "most likely" number and possibly skewed it towards 12 simply because of a tendency pressing away from one end.rcs1000 said:
I feel similarly to you. But the caveat I have is based around the Scottish elections last year, where the SNP increased their vote, the LDs slipped to just 5% of the list vote, and yet doubled their FPTP constituencies.Casino_Royale said:
More bullish on the LDs than I would be but, otherwise, very credible.Andy_Cooke said:So...
based largely on the issues with sampling and reported turnout (and tending towards the ICM side of things) and adding in a healthy chunk of uncertainty in Lib Dem target seats (and defences), plus a few other completely subjective best guesses and gut feels, I think the final seat tallies will be (low-most likely-high; note that "most likely" is NOT the centre of the range because a lot of these are skewed one way or the other):
Con: 363-380-388
Lab: 183-190-201
SNP: 38-45-48
LD: 6-12-23
PC: 3-3-5
Grn: 0-1-2
I remember in the run up, there was much discussion about whether they would win *any* seats in Scotland.
Last year saw substantive tactical voting for the LDs in Scotland. Could we see similar this year at Westminster? If we did, it would likely hand half a dozen seats in Remainia to them. Is it likely? No. I reckon 10-11 is the most likely seat count, and 6-9 is more likely than 12-15. But it is possible.0 -
his party only exists in NI because trade unionists were about to slam them for racist discrimination agaisnt people from NI if they were denied representationSunil_Prasannan said:
Why doesn't your party stand candidates in NI?Bobajob_PB said:
And if my aunt had a willy she'd be my uncle etc etc. As it is, it offered a choice of terrorists and raging sectarian homophobes.Alanbrooke said:
as I have pointed out yesterday if NI had normal politics it would vote majority LabourSunil_Prasannan said:
Now that can't possibly be true Alan! We've been reliably told the DUP are even more evilly baby-eating than the Tories!!Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/0 -
and yet youre quite happy to accept some of the worst discrimination in the UK when its right in your midstBobajob_PB said:
There is no difference.Alanbrooke said:
so do many muslims explain to me the differenceBobajob_PB said:
They are pro welfare but also think that gay people are an abomination. Toxic.Alanbrooke said:
you forgot to add Labour since lots of antisemites get a hearing.and that doesnt appear to concern you.Bobajob_PB said:
If you are a bigot or whatever shade or religious excuse then go vote UKIP or DUP, those are the parties for you.Alanbrooke said:
so nope you cant explain it or nope your not happy with the votes of muslims ?Bobajob_PB said:Alan
Nope. Anyone who thinks that is a bigot. I don't care who they are.
I'd rather have no religion at all to be honest, it clearly doesn't help people live and let live.
or maybe you could just stop spouting crap and look at voting records
"When the opposition get to decide the topic between debated, the DUP’s voting record is generally left-leaning and aligned with the Labour party"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/10/our-friends-in-the-north-the-dup-and-the-tories-arent-ideologically-close/0 -
Mr Brooke.
Mr Job's having a go at the transgender now. The man's a bigot.
In answer to your unanswered question. Muslims are good bigots because they vote Labour.
I've no problem with anyone having an opinion and if they want to hate gays, they can (Muslims and DUPers both). As long as I'm not forced to agree.
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BaJ is simply intolerantCD13 said:Mr Brooke.
Mr Job's having a go at the transgender now. The man's a bigot.
In answer to your unanswered question. Muslims are good bigots because they vote Labour.
I've no problem with anyone having an opinion and if they want to hate gays, they can (Muslims and DUPers both). As long as I'm not forced to agree.
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Indeed, as I was saying. Loyal Orange Lodge = LOL.Pulpstar said:
Loyal Orange lodge.Bobajob_PB said:
LOL = LOLEPG said:Loyalist-backed Con-DUP government is being urged to prioritise allowing Orange marches down Catholic roads. Because it's their "culture".
https://twitter.com/Portadownlol1/status/8736387799108403200 -
the Ornge Lodge had a black Leader in 1994Bobajob_PB said:
Indeed, as I was saying. Loyal Orange Lodge = LOL.Pulpstar said:
Loyal Orange lodge.Bobajob_PB said:
LOL = LOLEPG said:Loyalist-backed Con-DUP government is being urged to prioritise allowing Orange marches down Catholic roads. Because it's their "culture".
https://twitter.com/Portadownlol1/status/873638779910840320
has Labour had one ?0 -
Mr Brooke,
"BaJ is simply intolerant."
Spot on. But I forgive him.0 -
You're not allowed point it out because calling gays abominations is part of their cultureBobajob_PB said:
Indeed, as I was saying. Loyal Orange Lodge = LOL.Pulpstar said:
Loyal Orange lodge.Bobajob_PB said:
LOL = LOLEPG said:Loyalist-backed Con-DUP government is being urged to prioritise allowing Orange marches down Catholic roads. Because it's their "culture".
https://twitter.com/Portadownlol1/status/873638779910840320
They are safe-spacer snowflakes0 -
I got the Lib Dem figure exactly correct too at 12 but really it is luck , 500 odd extra votes and they would have had 16 .Andy_Cooke said:Ironically, after commenting that the Lib Dem score was the most impossible to get right in advance, I got that one spot on.
It was because I felt the data from the polls would be far less useful for the LD seat share and went to seat-by-seat analysis based on demographics, voting history, and effort expended in them instead. Which seems to be pretty similar to what the YouGov model tried to do for every seat, with some success.Andy_Cooke said:
I did umm and ah between 11 and 12 for the LDs for my "most likely" number and possibly skewed it towards 12 simply because of a tendency pressing away from one end.rcs1000 said:
I feel similarly to you. But the caveat I have is based around the Scottish elections last year, where the SNP increased their vote, the LDs slipped to just 5% of the list vote, and yet doubled their FPTP constituencies.Casino_Royale said:
More bullish on the LDs than I would be but, otherwise, very credible.Andy_Cooke said:So...
based largely on the issues with sampling and reported turnout (and tending towards the ICM side of things) and adding in a healthy chunk of uncertainty in Lib Dem target seats (and defences), plus a few other completely subjective best guesses and gut feels, I think the final seat tallies will be (low-most likely-high; note that "most likely" is NOT the centre of the range because a lot of these are skewed one way or the other):
Con: 363-380-388
Lab: 183-190-201
SNP: 38-45-48
LD: 6-12-23
PC: 3-3-5
Grn: 0-1-2
I remember in the run up, there was much discussion about whether they would win *any* seats in Scotland.
Last year saw substantive tactical voting for the LDs in Scotland. Could we see similar this year at Westminster? If we did, it would likely hand half a dozen seats in Remainia to them. Is it likely? No. I reckon 10-11 is the most likely seat count, and 6-9 is more likely than 12-15. But it is possible.0 -
Have a lie down.Alanbrooke said:
BaJ is simply intolerantCD13 said:Mr Brooke.
Mr Job's having a go at the transgender now. The man's a bigot.
In answer to your unanswered question. Muslims are good bigots because they vote Labour.
I've no problem with anyone having an opinion and if they want to hate gays, they can (Muslims and DUPers both). As long as I'm not forced to agree.0 -
one can do little elseCD13 said:Mr Brooke,
"BaJ is simply intolerant."
Spot on. But I forgive him.
however if his aunt had a willy I suspect she wouldnt think with it0 -
Go to bed.CD13 said:Mr Brooke,
"BaJ is simply intolerant."
Spot on. But I forgive him.0 -
we'll pray for youBobajob_PB said:
Go to bed.CD13 said:Mr Brooke,
"BaJ is simply intolerant."
Spot on. But I forgive him.0 -
Mr. 83, a sci-fi storyline, the Matrix meets Conservatives:
100 years in the future, the irresistible force meets the immovable object. George Osborne has taken every job in Britain, except one.
Jeremy Hunt has been Health Secretary for over a century. But will his reign be ended by the all-consuming Osborne?0 -
Paramilitary gangs shooting people dead, then helping elect MPs who keep May in power, is simply part of their culture
Has to be celebrated as part of Britishness0 -
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I'd love to, but educating you is a full time jobBobajob_PB said:
Have a lie down.Alanbrooke said:
BaJ is simply intolerantCD13 said:Mr Brooke.
Mr Job's having a go at the transgender now. The man's a bigot.
In answer to your unanswered question. Muslims are good bigots because they vote Labour.
I've no problem with anyone having an opinion and if they want to hate gays, they can (Muslims and DUPers both). As long as I'm not forced to agree.0 -
And his deputy had a tan?Alanbrooke said:
the Ornge Lodge had a black Leader in 1994Bobajob_PB said:
Indeed, as I was saying. Loyal Orange Lodge = LOL.Pulpstar said:
Loyal Orange lodge.Bobajob_PB said:
LOL = LOLEPG said:Loyalist-backed Con-DUP government is being urged to prioritise allowing Orange marches down Catholic roads. Because it's their "culture".
https://twitter.com/Portadownlol1/status/873638779910840320
has Labour had one ?0 -
They didn't appear because they are still celebrating.Alistair said:0 -
Sinn Fein presumablyEPG said:Paramilitary gangs shooting people dead, then helping elect MPs who keep May in power, is simply part of their culture
Has to be celebrated as part of Britishness0 -
lolJohnO said:
And his deputy had a tan?Alanbrooke said:
the Ornge Lodge had a black Leader in 1994Bobajob_PB said:
Indeed, as I was saying. Loyal Orange Lodge = LOL.Pulpstar said:
Loyal Orange lodge.Bobajob_PB said:
LOL = LOLEPG said:Loyalist-backed Con-DUP government is being urged to prioritise allowing Orange marches down Catholic roads. Because it's their "culture".
https://twitter.com/Portadownlol1/status/873638779910840320
has Labour had one ?0 -
Mr. Cooke, I'm damned glad the Lib Dems got 12 because I'd backed them to be over 11.5 seats (to offset being pretty green if they were under 10). 10 or 11 seats would've been poor for me.0
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Yeah.MarkSenior said:
I got the Lib Dem figure exactly correct too at 12 but really it is luck , 500 odd extra votes and they would have had 16 .Andy_Cooke said:Ironically, after commenting that the Lib Dem score was the most impossible to get right in advance, I got that one spot on.
It was because I felt the data from the polls would be far less useful for the LD seat share and went to seat-by-seat analysis based on demographics, voting history, and effort expended in them instead. Which seems to be pretty similar to what the YouGov model tried to do for every seat, with some success.Andy_Cooke said:
I did umm and ah between 11 and 12 for the LDs for my "most likely" number and possibly skewed it towards 12 simply because of a tendency pressing away from one end.rcs1000 said:
I feel similarly to you. But the caveat I have is based around the Scottish elections last year, where the SNP increased their vote, the LDs slipped to just 5% of the list vote, and yet doubled their FPTP constituencies.Casino_Royale said:
More bullish on the LDs than I would be but, otherwise, very credible.Andy_Cooke said:So...
based largely on the issues with sampling and reported turnout (and tending towards the ICM side of things) and adding in a healthy chunk of uncertainty in Lib Dem target seats (and defences), plus a few other completely subjective best guesses and gut feels, I think the final seat tallies will be (low-most likely-high; note that "most likely" is NOT the centre of the range because a lot of these are skewed one way or the other):
Con: 363-380-388
Lab: 183-190-201
SNP: 38-45-48
LD: 6-12-23
PC: 3-3-5
Grn: 0-1-2
I remember in the run up, there was much discussion about whether they would win *any* seats in Scotland.
Last year saw substantive tactical voting for the LDs in Scotland. Could we see similar this year at Westminster? If we did, it would likely hand half a dozen seats in Remainia to them. Is it likely? No. I reckon 10-11 is the most likely seat count, and 6-9 is more likely than 12-15. But it is possible.
I did insist on giving a range for that reason. A slightly higher Tory or Labour tide could have seen further reversals and squeeze beyond what the polls indicated, and slightly better luck or lower Tory or Labour tide could have seen a better outcome.
To be honest, it was higher than I expected right on the eve of the poll.0 -
According to a few posts on here the DUP are OK and its all about the numbers. So what?
Well here's a history lesson:
The Ulster Resistance Movement was set up by Sammy Wilson, Ian Paisley Snr., Peter Robinson and Ivan Foster. They can be seen wearing their red berets all over the internet!
The group colluded with the UVF, UDA and RHC (Red Hand Commando) to procure arms. In June 1987 the UVF stole £300,000 from a branch of the Northern Bank at Portadown. This money was given to Libya in exchange for 206x Vz.58 assault rifles, 94x Browning 9mm hand guns, 4x RPG Rocket Launchers and 62x warheads, 450 X RGD-5 grenades and 30,00 rounds of ammunition.
Nice guys?
Yes Corbyn's and Abbott's justification of the IRA is outrageous, but the connections these guys had to many unsavoury people are almost equally as distasteful.
For Mrs May to justify her plan by calling her party the Conservative and Unionist Party in this context was disingenuous too. The DUP are not the UUP and although David Trimble liked to put on an orange sash he was seen as a fairly decent guy by most people.
Campbell and Powell who were both key players in the facilitation of the Good Friday Agreement have both said this is BAD! Enda Kenny says it is BAD!
The conclusion must also be in both the short and longer term this is BAD for the Conservatives too!0
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