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Whoever they put forwards tbh, it will probably be Cable.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not f##kigg Vince cable he would spend every minute leaking to the press and trying to sabotage everything and anything. He was one of the worst coalition ministers.MaxPB said:
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.Brom said:
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.MaxPB said:
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.IanB2 said:
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.Gallowgate said:
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.MarkHopkins said:Floater said:
Lots of sweeties?Slackbladder said:
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to doGallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.0 -
There are some amazing Lab results out there in seats they were nowhere in before, e.g.
Truro and Falmouth 37.7% +22.5!
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I don't like to say it but Theresa May was probably too wooden for the modern audience.MaxPB said:
No need to be so alarmist. Labour are still 50 seats behind and once we get rid of May at least some of the problems go away. The new PM is going to dump house theft immediately, for example, we will probably extend the triple lock (sadly) and keep the WFA for everyone to get older voters back on side. May and her team will get shat on from the greatest of heights by the next PM, the stink of her policies need to be purged.GIN1138 said:
We're in a national emergency now. Brexit was a good idea a year ago but through the idiocy of the Tory Party it's all fallen apart - This is now a fight to keep the lights on for UKPLC literally.MaxPB said:
Don't be ridiculous. We're on course for a transitional Brexit where we leave in stages. If we manage to leave for EFTA/EEA we can sort out our global trading position over the next 3-4 years and get a bespoke trading deal with the EU afterwards that leaves us with the ability to trade freely and easily with the EU and the rest of the world while having some kind of border control system.GIN1138 said:
Everyone's got to forget Brexit. It's not going to happen.asjohnstone said:
If the most important post war negotiations weren't starting in 10 days they may have been tempted. No alternative for May but to stick it out.GIN1138 said:
Agreed. The Tories could go down the 1923 route and refuse to govern, put Jezza in for a yea and then collapse the administration next year - From the 1923 defeat the Tories won a landslide in 1924.Gallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Horrific situation all round, but for the fact it's entirely of her own making I'd feel sorry for her.
We need to get down on our hands and knees and beg/grovel to the EU to let us stay.
We need to find a way out of Brexit ASAP (of course that will lead to a surge in support for Farage and probable street riots with people having Brexit stolen from them but we are where we are)0 -
Their price would be a change in the negotiation objectives and prinicples.MaxPB said:
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.Brom said:
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.MaxPB said:
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.IanB2 said:
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.Gallowgate said:
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.MarkHopkins said:Floater said:
Lots of sweeties?Slackbladder said:
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to doGallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.0 -
What a waste of space Nuttal is/was. Pointless charmless buffoon.0
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I never knew rail nationalisation was so popular!0
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DUP trending on Twitter. Our new Masters.0
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StuuuuudentsJonCisBack said:There are some amazing Lab results out there in seats they were nowhere in before, e.g.
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Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.GIN1138 said:
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?MaxPB said:
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.Brom said:
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.MaxPB said:
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.IanB2 said:
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.Gallowgate said:
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.MarkHopkins said:Floater said:
Lots of sweeties?Slackbladder said:
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to doGallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.0 -
Green Party effectively dead with Corbyn aroundFrancisUrquhart said:
StuuuuudentsJonCisBack said:There are some amazing Lab results out there in seats they were nowhere in before, e.g.
Truro and Falmouth 37.7% +22.5!0 -
using social media to ruin May.FrancisUrquhart said:
StuuuuudentsJonCisBack said:There are some amazing Lab results out there in seats they were nowhere in before, e.g.
Truro and Falmouth 37.7% +22.5!0 -
What the people voted for.old_labour said:DUP trending on Twitter. Our new Masters.
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Mr Dancer I care about your opinion, weather you can vote or not!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Rich, Davis.
Edited extra bit: sorry, did you mean actual Conservatives, or the PB Tories [which is almost everyone]?
I wouldn't have a vote in such a leadership contest.
As this is unscientific I just interested in peoples opinion rather than anything else.
(especially as you have gone for Davis)0 -
LD vote all over the place
So they won Eastbourne with 46.9%, but just down the road the LD vote in Hastings was just 3.4%. Inexplicable
Have those tactical voting websites worked then? LD and Lab young voters savvy enogh to know hoe to stop the tories?0 -
A little something for my fellow PB Socialists to enjoy this fair morning...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHp1YrkqCNA
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Arsenal have been dealt a blow in their efforts to keep Alexis Sanchez after it emerged Bayern Munich are ready to trump their £300,000-a-week contract offer.
I am now on suicide watch0 -
Tories stuffed, Mail and Express stuffed, The Sun does not a shine, most pollsters stuffed, great. great, great. Roll on by elections and more Christmas stuffing!!!!!!
Will we now treat the polls with the lack of respect they deserve0 -
Sickening bigotry directed at our fine Ulster folk on PB this morning from the self-proclaimed defenders of minorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:Silver-linings for the Tories (sort of):
UKIP smashed to smitherooons
Massive swathes of Scotland turn blue
Labour's allies in NI the SDLP wiped out
Prospect of NI MPs joining the government, making it, along with the new Scots Tories, a truly UK administration.0 -
Got to remember Boris was the face of a campaign that a lot of Remainers think had a lot of lies (Boris in front of the bus and posters), I think a lot won't vote for him because of that.0
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So build more houses. Better still, convert older buildings into starter apartments - two bedrooms with combined kitchen/diner - and sell them for £50-100K.EDW20000 said:
Exactly, 6 months and then stuff in bin bags and looking for new flat AGAIN. Boomers screwed the millennials by buying all the housing.old_labour said:
They do not want insecure, expensive private lets.Gallowgate said:
But having a council house is not the same as owning a property? The youth want property, not council houses.EDW20000 said:Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
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Hell of a night for panda suppliers....Sandpit said:
That map is the highlight of an otherwise crap night.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Not on this side of the water. Northern Ireland is another country in multiple ways.brokenwheel said:0 -
The future, short of a messiah leader, is minority governments or opposition.CarlottaVance said:0 -
interesting image conjured up....JohnO said:
Spoiled ballet.BigRich said:Unscientific Straw Pole:
If it came to a Conservative Party Leadership election between David Davis and Boris, which way would PB Torys vote?
The key question here is obviously will Bercow continue to the next GE if it is now this year (or next) and will that mean I once again don't get a choice (for the 4th time!!!)0 -
jonny83 said:
Got to remember Boris was the face of a campaign that a lot of Remainers think had a lot of lies (Boris in front of the bus and posters), I think a lot won't vote for him because of that.
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If there was another election in four weeks time I suspect Corbyn would walk it...Bobajob_PB said:
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.GIN1138 said:
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?MaxPB said:
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.Brom said:
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.MaxPB said:
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.IanB2 said:
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.Gallowgate said:
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.MarkHopkins said:Floater said:
Lots of sweeties?Slackbladder said:
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to doGallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.0 -
Judging from my Facebook group chats, the Tories have a very, very, bad youth problem. Even among my very immediate social circle (private school, Oxfordshire, £1m+ houses) more voted for Lab than Con, although a lot spoilt their vote or went LD.0
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Apparently May is in a secret location, hurriedly learning the words to The Sash.0
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No, I think Farage has lost most of his magic - too much hanging around with Trump in the early days. He came across as a creeping little weasel and, of course, Trump's reputation is now in tatters.GIN1138 said:
You won't be so happy when Farage comes back and starts hoovering up votes left, right and center...Roger said:Nuttal's resigning. It just gets better....
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Anyone know what's happening in Kensington? Did they give up counting and go home?0
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The worst thing about this GE for me is unlike 2015 where the option was more of the same or a bit of a slow down in the cuts and some nonsense tinkering in a flawed attempt to even things up a bit, neither of which was totally insane....
Now a new GE will be Tories offering sweeties to try and get certain groups back onside or corbyns policies of the madhouse, and I think people will vote for the madhouse.
The trend was parties having to be socially liberal / economically sound to get elected (which is fine with me), now it seems like that is all gone.0 -
Depends on the Con leader, Boris or Hammond? Then potentially he wouldn't do worse.Roger said:
If there was another election in four weeks time I suspect Corbyn would walk it...Bobajob_PB said:
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.GIN1138 said:
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?MaxPB said:
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.Brom said:
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.MaxPB said:
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.IanB2 said:
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.Gallowgate said:
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.MarkHopkins said:Floater said:
Lots of sweeties?Slackbladder said:
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to doGallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.0 -
I think part rent part buy is an option via a housing asc.Beverley_C said:
So build more houses. Better still, convert older buildings into starter apartments - two bedrooms with combined kitchen/diner - and sell them for £50-100K.EDW20000 said:
Exactly, 6 months and then stuff in bin bags and looking for new flat AGAIN. Boomers screwed the millennials by buying all the housing.old_labour said:
They do not want insecure, expensive private lets.Gallowgate said:
But having a council house is not the same as owning a property? The youth want property, not council houses.EDW20000 said:Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
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Yep, the only one of the four nations where one party won a majority of seats.Sandpit said:
That map is the highlight of an otherwise crap night.CarlottaVance said:0 -
GOD on Sky News.0
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Councils were forced to. And are right now.Slackbladder said:
That would kill the buy to let market. You couldn't force landlord to sell at a loss.Alistair said:
Simply extend right to buy to private rentals, including the ludicrous discounts.EDW20000 said:Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
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Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.Bobajob_PB said:
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.GIN1138 said:
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?MaxPB said:
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.Brom said:
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.MaxPB said:
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.IanB2 said:
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.Gallowgate said:
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.MarkHopkins said:Floater said:
Lots of sweeties?Slackbladder said:
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to doGallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.0 -
Ukip celebrations short-lived after discovering it’s ‘exit polls’, not ‘exit Poles’
http://newsthump.com/2017/06/08/ukip-celebrations-short-lived-after-discovering-its-exit-polls-not-exit-poles/0 -
But the baby boomers object to them, and hence very few get built. There seem to be very few issues that the youth have that are not being caused by the baby-boomers.Beverley_C said:
So build more houses. Better still, convert older buildings into starter apartments - two bedrooms with combined kitchen/diner - and sell them for £50-100K.EDW20000 said:
Exactly, 6 months and then stuff in bin bags and looking for new flat AGAIN. Boomers screwed the millennials by buying all the housing.old_labour said:
They do not want insecure, expensive private lets.Gallowgate said:
But having a council house is not the same as owning a property? The youth want property, not council houses.EDW20000 said:Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
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GOD saying Ruth has a lot of power right now.0
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And @Max the irony is that Labour managed to inspire the young by challenging the status quo whilst at the very same time undermining the Tories by defending the status quo for pensioners. That isn't sustainable for either main party longer-term, and I'd suggest redressing the generational balance is the correct and inevitable path, whoever gets to do it.isam said:
I don't like to say it but Theresa May was probably too wooden for the modern audience.MaxPB said:
No need to be so alarmist. Labour are still 50 seats behind and once we get rid of May at least some of the problems go away. The new PM is going to dump house theft immediately, for example, we will probably extend the triple lock (sadly) and keep the WFA for everyone to get older voters back on side. May and her team will get shat on from the greatest of heights by the next PM, the stink of her policies need to be purged.GIN1138 said:
We're in a national emergency now. Brexit was a good idea a year ago but through the idiocy of the Tory Party it's all fallen apart - This is now a fight to keep the lights on for UKPLC literally.MaxPB said:
Don't be ridiculous. We're on course for a transitional Brexit where we leave in stages. If we manage to leave for EFTA/EEA we can sort out our global trading position over the next 3-4 years and get a bespoke trading deal with the EU afterwards that leaves us with the ability to trade freely and easily with the EU and the rest of the world while having some kind of border control system.GIN1138 said:
Everyone's got to forget Brexit. It's not going to happen.asjohnstone said:
If the most important post war negotiations weren't starting in 10 days they may have been tempted. No alternative for May but to stick it out.GIN1138 said:
Agreed. The Tories could go down the 1923 route and refuse to govern, put Jezza in for a yea and then collapse the administration next year - From the 1923 defeat the Tories won a landslide in 1924.Gallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Horrific situation all round, but for the fact it's entirely of her own making I'd feel sorry for her.
We need to get down on our hands and knees and beg/grovel to the EU to let us stay.
We need to find a way out of Brexit ASAP (of course that will lead to a surge in support for Farage and probable street riots with people having Brexit stolen from them but we are where we are)0 -
Corbyn + Yvette as home sec and a decent broad church cabinet would be an easy Labour win.Roger said:
If there was another election in four weeks time I suspect Corbyn would walk it...Bobajob_PB said:
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.GIN1138 said:
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?MaxPB said:
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.Brom said:
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.MaxPB said:
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.IanB2 said:
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.Gallowgate said:
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.MarkHopkins said:Floater said:
Lots of sweeties?Slackbladder said:
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to doGallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.0 -
George is enjoying this.....possibly a bit too much:
https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/8731198708622458880 -
What we need is a Macron figure, like errr, Clegg.GIN1138 said:
Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.Bobajob_PB said:
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.GIN1138 said:
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?MaxPB said:
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.Brom said:
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.MaxPB said:
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.IanB2 said:
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.Gallowgate said:
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.MarkHopkins said:Floater said:
Lots of sweeties?Slackbladder said:
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to doGallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.0 -
A question for all PB Tories: How many Tory MP's will willingly tie themselves to a sinking ship? Can May form a decent cabinet?
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Just bring back the posh boys, they know all about making net seat gains.Mortimer said:
The future, short of a messiah leader, is minority governments or opposition.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Calm down...GIN1138 said:
Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.Bobajob_PB said:
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.GIN1138 said:
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?MaxPB said:
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.Brom said:
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.MaxPB said:
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.IanB2 said:
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.Gallowgate said:
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.MarkHopkins said:Floater said:
Lots of sweeties?Slackbladder said:
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to doGallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.
Soft Brexit is the result. It can now be sold to the 52% as the only
Option..
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Exactly. Planning itself is an utter nightmare.Chameleon said:
But the baby boomers object to them, and hence very few get built. There seem to be very few issues that the youth have that are not being caused by the baby-boomers.Beverley_C said:
So build more houses. Better still, convert older buildings into starter apartments - two bedrooms with combined kitchen/diner - and sell them for £50-100K.EDW20000 said:
Exactly, 6 months and then stuff in bin bags and looking for new flat AGAIN. Boomers screwed the millennials by buying all the housing.old_labour said:
They do not want insecure, expensive private lets.Gallowgate said:
But having a council house is not the same as owning a property? The youth want property, not council houses.EDW20000 said:Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
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'Up to our knees in Fenian blood, you say?'SandyRentool said:Apparently May is in a secret location, hurriedly learning the words to The Sash.
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Bin Brexit and you will have even more chaos. Those like me who came back to the Tories because they were promising to enact Brexit will do all in our power to see them destroyed. UKIP or another party like them will surge massively and the forming a stable government will be impossible for any party.GIN1138 said:Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.0 -
Conservatives best get the boundary changes in place ASAP before the next election.0
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Labour are ahead by 38 votes after third recount in Kensington, according to Twitter.
Everyone has apparently gone home because the counters are exhausted.
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This Tory DUP thing is not going to get a hard Brexit through or stand the test of time.0
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Really?MonikerDiCanio said:
Sickening bigotry directed at our fine Ulster folk on PB this morning from the self-proclaimed defenders of minorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:Silver-linings for the Tories (sort of):
UKIP smashed to smitherooons
Massive swathes of Scotland turn blue
Labour's allies in NI the SDLP wiped out
Prospect of NI MPs joining the government, making it, along with the new Scots Tories, a truly UK administration.
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So to clarify, the Cons are dependent on the anti-abortion, new earth creationists? That'll go down with the liberals in the UK.0
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Lol. Justified. I have to take back all the comments about them now! (Though stand by the problems they caused with the right flank).TheScreamingEagles said:
Just bring back the posh boys, they know all about making net seat gains.Mortimer said:
The future, short of a messiah leader, is minority governments or opposition.CarlottaVance said:
On a more serious point, they won't help now. They'd alienate the social conservatives that are now crucial to even having 300 seats.
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That is not happening. No-one will vote for it.David_Evershed said:Conservatives best get the boundary changes in place ASAP before the next election.
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It is old but it is beautiful, and its colours they are fine
It was worn at Derry, Aughrim, Enniskillen and the Boyne.0 -
We have to do it via the housing sector now, take a massive dump on buy-to-let landlords and force all of those millions of houses and flats onto the market somehow so young people are able to get a food on the ladder. The kids can't buy houses because their parents are screwing them over. Buy-to-let is one of the main issues facing this country, as well as foreign ownership of residential (and commercial) property.IanB2 said:And @Max the irony is that Labour managed to inspire the young by challenging the status quo whilst at the very same time undermining the Tories by defending the status quo for pensioners. That isn't sustainable for either main party longer-term, and I'd suggest redressing the generational balance is the correct and inevitable path, whoever gets to do it.
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The DUP see ISIS as being too soft on the gays.foxinsoxuk said:
Really?MonikerDiCanio said:
Sickening bigotry directed at our fine Ulster folk on PB this morning from the self-proclaimed defenders of minorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:Silver-linings for the Tories (sort of):
UKIP smashed to smitherooons
Massive swathes of Scotland turn blue
Labour's allies in NI the SDLP wiped out
Prospect of NI MPs joining the government, making it, along with the new Scots Tories, a truly UK administration.
Nothing wrong with a bit of Orangism in my book.0 -
Richard_Tyndall said:
Bin Brexit and you will have even more chaos. Those like me who came back to the Tories because they were promising to enact Brexit will do all in our power to see them destroyed.GIN1138 said:Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.
Would be no more than the Tories deserve to be fair...0 -
Anyone know the result of the first two counts?Bobajob_PB said:Labour are ahead by 38 votes after third recount in Kensington, according to Twitter.
Everyone has apparently gone home because the counters are exhausted.
A fourth recount tomorrow morning.
Normally best of three?0 -
Boris isn't the answer to any of the questions posed by the GE result.Chameleon said:
Depends on the Con leader, Boris or Hammond? Then potentially he wouldn't do worse.Roger said:
If there was another election in four weeks time I suspect Corbyn would walk it...Bobajob_PB said:
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.GIN1138 said:
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?MaxPB said:
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.Brom said:
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.MaxPB said:
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.IanB2 said:
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.Gallowgate said:
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.MarkHopkins said:Floater said:
Lots of sweeties?Slackbladder said:
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to doGallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.0 -
The Craig Mackinlay/Thanet South trial becomes even more important now doesn't it?0
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Feels like generational revenge. Long, long overdue, but bittersweet.0
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I totally agree.IanB2 said:
Boris isn't the answer to any of the questions posed by the GE result.Chameleon said:
Depends on the Con leader, Boris or Hammond? Then potentially he wouldn't do worse.Roger said:
If there was another election in four weeks time I suspect Corbyn would walk it...Bobajob_PB said:
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.GIN1138 said:
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?MaxPB said:
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.Brom said:
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.MaxPB said:
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.IanB2 said:
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.Gallowgate said:
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.MarkHopkins said:Floater said:
Lots of sweeties?Slackbladder said:
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to doGallowgate said:I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.0 -
I am no DUP supporter, but that is a vile comment.old_labour said:
The DUP see ISIS as being too soft on the gays.foxinsoxuk said:
Really?MonikerDiCanio said:
Sickening bigotry directed at our fine Ulster folk on PB this morning from the self-proclaimed defenders of minorities.Sunil_Prasannan said:Silver-linings for the Tories (sort of):
UKIP smashed to smitherooons
Massive swathes of Scotland turn blue
Labour's allies in NI the SDLP wiped out
Prospect of NI MPs joining the government, making it, along with the new Scots Tories, a truly UK administration.
Nothing wrong with a bit of Orangism in my book.0 -
I would smash buy to let landlords with tax and force them to sell. Everyone deserves a home.MaxPB said:
We have to do it via the housing sector now, take a massive dump on buy-to-let landlords and force all of those millions of houses and flats onto the market somehow so young people are able to get a food on the ladder. The kids can't buy houses because their parents are screwing them over. Buy-to-let is one of the main issues facing this country, as well as foreign ownership of residential (and commercial) property.IanB2 said:And @Max the irony is that Labour managed to inspire the young by challenging the status quo whilst at the very same time undermining the Tories by defending the status quo for pensioners. That isn't sustainable for either main party longer-term, and I'd suggest redressing the generational balance is the correct and inevitable path, whoever gets to do it.
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Is there a 'PM on Jan 1st' market? Who'd be fav if there was?0
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Tuurnout in the 18-24 agegroup was apparently 72%!0
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MaxPB said:
We have to do it via the housing sector now, take a massive dump on buy-to-let landlords and force all of those millions of houses and flats onto the market somehow so young people are able to get a food on the ladder. The kids can't buy houses because their parents are screwing them over. Buy-to-let is one of the main issues facing this country, as well as foreign ownership of residential (and commercial) property.IanB2 said:And @Max the irony is that Labour managed to inspire the young by challenging the status quo whilst at the very same time undermining the Tories by defending the status quo for pensioners. That isn't sustainable for either main party longer-term, and I'd suggest redressing the generational balance is the correct and inevitable path, whoever gets to do it.
That plus dropping tuition fees down to £3K (but off setting it by changing the repayment schedule - 10% over £20k, 15% over £30k) would be a very good start.0 -
I'm not a Tory, but Davis makes more sense as a replacement for May than any of the alternatives I can think of.BigRich said:
Mr Dancer I care about your opinion, weather you can vote or not!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Rich, Davis.
Edited extra bit: sorry, did you mean actual Conservatives, or the PB Tories [which is almost everyone]?
I wouldn't have a vote in such a leadership contest.
As this is unscientific I just interested in peoples opinion rather than anything else.
(especially as you have gone for Davis)
Boris is a risible idea - and as we saw from the Gove episode, could probably be scared off if push comes to shove.0 -
But you can force the public (councils) to sell at a loss. Interesting.Slackbladder said:
That would kill the buy to let market. You couldn't force landlord to sell at a loss.Alistair said:
Simply extend right to buy to private rentals, including the ludicrous discounts.EDW20000 said:Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
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Homeless vote, rage gets the vote out more than loyalty.NickPalmer said:Tuurnout in the 18-24 agegroup was apparently 72%!
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Brexit cannot simply be 'binned', but there is no doubt that the GE places a huge ? over the basis on which the Tories intended to proceed. There are enough likely rebels on the Tory side to sink any chance of delivering a hard Brexit now. And for the first time there are some possible routes that might eventually lead to the whole thing being abandoned.GIN1138 said:Richard_Tyndall said:
Bin Brexit and you will have even more chaos. Those like me who came back to the Tories because they were promising to enact Brexit will do all in our power to see them destroyed.GIN1138 said:Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.
Would be no more than the Tories deserve to be fair...0 -
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Not really. As pointed out down thread, yes more younger voters did turnout but that doens't account for what happened.nielh said:Feels like generational revenge. Long, long overdue, but bittersweet.
It was a combination of more young voters going for Jezza and older voters not fancying voting to have their houses stolen off them so they either switched to other parties or stayed at home.0 -
SNP MPs who lost their seats:
Callum McCaig
Mike Weir
Corri Wilson
Eilidh Whiteford
Calum Kerr
Paul Monaghan
Phil Boswell
Richard Arkless
John Nicolson
George Kerevan
Kirsten Oswald
Michelle Thomson
Anne McLaughlin
Alex Salmond
Roger Mullin
Owen Thompson
Angus Robertson
Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh
Margaret Ferrier
Steven Paterson
Stuart Donaldson
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Gina Miller is very smart.JonCisBack said:LD vote all over the place
So they won Eastbourne with 46.9%, but just down the road the LD vote in Hastings was just 3.4%. Inexplicable
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Davies, Boris, Hammond, none of them are near the right answer. Tip: go for someone without grey hair.Nigelb said:
I'm not a Tory, but Davis makes more sense as a replacement for May than any of the alternatives I can think of.BigRich said:
Mr Dancer I care about your opinion, weather you can vote or not!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Rich, Davis.
Edited extra bit: sorry, did you mean actual Conservatives, or the PB Tories [which is almost everyone]?
I wouldn't have a vote in such a leadership contest.
As this is unscientific I just interested in peoples opinion rather than anything else.
(especially as you have gone for Davis)
Boris is a risible idea - and as we saw from the Gove episode, could probably be scared off if push comes to shove.
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You are walking in to another dementia tax scenario with your core vote if you take on buy to let.EDW20000 said:
I would smash buy to let landlords with tax and force them to sell. Everyone deserves a home.MaxPB said:
We have to do it via the housing sector now, take a massive dump on buy-to-let landlords and force all of those millions of houses and flats onto the market somehow so young people are able to get a food on the ladder. The kids can't buy houses because their parents are screwing them over. Buy-to-let is one of the main issues facing this country, as well as foreign ownership of residential (and commercial) property.IanB2 said:And @Max the irony is that Labour managed to inspire the young by challenging the status quo whilst at the very same time undermining the Tories by defending the status quo for pensioners. That isn't sustainable for either main party longer-term, and I'd suggest redressing the generational balance is the correct and inevitable path, whoever gets to do it.
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The thread from yesterday morning is a true PB keeper.nielh said:Feels like generational revenge. Long, long overdue, but bittersweet.
The millennials are lazy/feckless/addicted to Playstation/scared of rain.
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Aren't the majority of ex council houses now private rentals with vastly higher rents?BigRich said:
I don't understand how you get to that conclusion, If a council house is sold then it is one less rented property and one more bought property.EDW20000 said:Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
Governments have done lots of stupid things that have paused up the price of housing, both rents and sale prices, above what they should/would be if left to the free market, but selling council houses is not one of them.0 -
Not sure that is official yet. The initial EU ref age demographics were wildly out.NickPalmer said:Tuurnout in the 18-24 agegroup was apparently 72%!
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If May decides to stay do you think there will be a leadership challenge? No guarantee some figure behind the scenes might encourage her to step down.0
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Agree, my fear exactlyIanB2 said:
Brexit cannot simply be 'binned', but there is no doubt that the GE places a huge ? over the basis on which the Tories intended to proceed. There are enough likely rebels on the Tory side to sink any chance of delivering a hard Brexit now. And for the first time there are some possible routes that might eventually lead to the whole thing being abandoned.GIN1138 said:Richard_Tyndall said:
Bin Brexit and you will have even more chaos. Those like me who came back to the Tories because they were promising to enact Brexit will do all in our power to see them destroyed.GIN1138 said:Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.
Would be no more than the Tories deserve to be fair...0 -
I feel really sorry for the youth of today. I think the Boomers have been the most privileged generation in the history of the UK.Chameleon said:
But the baby boomers object to them, and hence very few get built. There seem to be very few issues that the youth have that are not being caused by the baby-boomers.Beverley_C said:
So build more houses. Better still, convert older buildings into starter apartments - two bedrooms with combined kitchen/diner - and sell them for £50-100K.EDW20000 said:
Exactly, 6 months and then stuff in bin bags and looking for new flat AGAIN. Boomers screwed the millennials by buying all the housing.old_labour said:
They do not want insecure, expensive private lets.Gallowgate said:
But having a council house is not the same as owning a property? The youth want property, not council houses.EDW20000 said:Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
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