I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to do
Lots of sweeties?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.
Not f##kigg Vince cable he would spend every minute leaking to the press and trying to sabotage everything and anything. He was one of the worst coalition ministers.
Whoever they put forwards tbh, it will probably be Cable.
I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Agreed. The Tories could go down the 1923 route and refuse to govern, put Jezza in for a yea and then collapse the administration next year - From the 1923 defeat the Tories won a landslide in 1924.
If the most important post war negotiations weren't starting in 10 days they may have been tempted. No alternative for May but to stick it out.
Horrific situation all round, but for the fact it's entirely of her own making I'd feel sorry for her.
Everyone's got to forget Brexit. It's not going to happen.
We need to get down on our hands and knees and beg/grovel to the EU to let us stay.
Don't be ridiculous. We're on course for a transitional Brexit where we leave in stages. If we manage to leave for EFTA/EEA we can sort out our global trading position over the next 3-4 years and get a bespoke trading deal with the EU afterwards that leaves us with the ability to trade freely and easily with the EU and the rest of the world while having some kind of border control system.
We're in a national emergency now. Brexit was a good idea a year ago but through the idiocy of the Tory Party it's all fallen apart - This is now a fight to keep the lights on for UKPLC literally.
We need to find a way out of Brexit ASAP (of course that will lead to a surge in support for Farage and probable street riots with people having Brexit stolen from them but we are where we are)
No need to be so alarmist. Labour are still 50 seats behind and once we get rid of May at least some of the problems go away. The new PM is going to dump house theft immediately, for example, we will probably extend the triple lock (sadly) and keep the WFA for everyone to get older voters back on side. May and her team will get shat on from the greatest of heights by the next PM, the stink of her policies need to be purged.
I don't like to say it but Theresa May was probably too wooden for the modern audience.
I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to do
Lots of sweeties?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.
Their price would be a change in the negotiation objectives and prinicples.
I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to do
Lots of sweeties?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.
Arsenal have been dealt a blow in their efforts to keep Alexis Sanchez after it emerged Bayern Munich are ready to trump their £300,000-a-week contract offer.
Tories stuffed, Mail and Express stuffed, The Sun does not a shine, most pollsters stuffed, great. great, great. Roll on by elections and more Christmas stuffing!!!!!! Will we now treat the polls with the lack of respect they deserve
UKIP smashed to smitherooons Massive swathes of Scotland turn blue Labour's allies in NI the SDLP wiped out Prospect of NI MPs joining the government, making it, along with the new Scots Tories, a truly UK administration.
Sickening bigotry directed at our fine Ulster folk on PB this morning from the self-proclaimed defenders of minorities.
Got to remember Boris was the face of a campaign that a lot of Remainers think had a lot of lies (Boris in front of the bus and posters), I think a lot won't vote for him because of that.
Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
But having a council house is not the same as owning a property? The youth want property, not council houses.
They do not want insecure, expensive private lets.
Exactly, 6 months and then stuff in bin bags and looking for new flat AGAIN. Boomers screwed the millennials by buying all the housing.
So build more houses. Better still, convert older buildings into starter apartments - two bedrooms with combined kitchen/diner - and sell them for £50-100K.
If it came to a Conservative Party Leadership election between David Davis and Boris, which way would PB Torys vote?
Spoiled ballet.
interesting image conjured up....
The key question here is obviously will Bercow continue to the next GE if it is now this year (or next) and will that mean I once again don't get a choice (for the 4th time!!!)
Got to remember Boris was the face of a campaign that a lot of Remainers think had a lot of lies (Boris in front of the bus and posters), I think a lot won't vote for him because of that.
I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to do
Lots of sweeties?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.
If there was another election in four weeks time I suspect Corbyn would walk it...
Judging from my Facebook group chats, the Tories have a very, very, bad youth problem. Even among my very immediate social circle (private school, Oxfordshire, £1m+ houses) more voted for Lab than Con, although a lot spoilt their vote or went LD.
You won't be so happy when Farage comes back and starts hoovering up votes left, right and center...
No, I think Farage has lost most of his magic - too much hanging around with Trump in the early days. He came across as a creeping little weasel and, of course, Trump's reputation is now in tatters.
The worst thing about this GE for me is unlike 2015 where the option was more of the same or a bit of a slow down in the cuts and some nonsense tinkering in a flawed attempt to even things up a bit, neither of which was totally insane....
Now a new GE will be Tories offering sweeties to try and get certain groups back onside or corbyns policies of the madhouse, and I think people will vote for the madhouse.
The trend was parties having to be socially liberal / economically sound to get elected (which is fine with me), now it seems like that is all gone.
I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to do
Lots of sweeties?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.
If there was another election in four weeks time I suspect Corbyn would walk it...
Depends on the Con leader, Boris or Hammond? Then potentially he wouldn't do worse.
Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
But having a council house is not the same as owning a property? The youth want property, not council houses.
They do not want insecure, expensive private lets.
Exactly, 6 months and then stuff in bin bags and looking for new flat AGAIN. Boomers screwed the millennials by buying all the housing.
So build more houses. Better still, convert older buildings into starter apartments - two bedrooms with combined kitchen/diner - and sell them for £50-100K.
I think part rent part buy is an option via a housing asc.
I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to do
Lots of sweeties?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.
Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.
Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
But having a council house is not the same as owning a property? The youth want property, not council houses.
They do not want insecure, expensive private lets.
Exactly, 6 months and then stuff in bin bags and looking for new flat AGAIN. Boomers screwed the millennials by buying all the housing.
So build more houses. Better still, convert older buildings into starter apartments - two bedrooms with combined kitchen/diner - and sell them for £50-100K.
But the baby boomers object to them, and hence very few get built. There seem to be very few issues that the youth have that are not being caused by the baby-boomers.
I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Agreed. The Tories could go down the 1923 route and refuse to govern, put Jezza in for a yea and then collapse the administration next year - From the 1923 defeat the Tories won a landslide in 1924.
If the most important post war negotiations weren't starting in 10 days they may have been tempted. No alternative for May but to stick it out.
Horrific situation all round, but for the fact it's entirely of her own making I'd feel sorry for her.
Everyone's got to forget Brexit. It's not going to happen.
We need to get down on our hands and knees and beg/grovel to the EU to let us stay.
Don't be ridiculous. We're on course for a transitional Brexit where we leave in stages. If we manage to leave for EFTA/EEA we can sort out our global trading position over the next 3-4 years and get a bespoke trading deal with the EU afterwards that leaves us with the ability to trade freely and easily with the EU and the rest of the world while having some kind of border control system.
We're in a national emergency now. Brexit was a good idea a year ago but through the idiocy of the Tory Party it's all fallen apart - This is now a fight to keep the lights on for UKPLC literally.
We need to find a way out of Brexit ASAP (of course that will lead to a surge in support for Farage and probable street riots with people having Brexit stolen from them but we are where we are)
No need to be so alarmist. Labour are still 50 seats behind and once we get rid of May at least some of the problems go away. The new PM is going to dump house theft immediately, for example, we will probably extend the triple lock (sadly) and keep the WFA for everyone to get older voters back on side. May and her team will get shat on from the greatest of heights by the next PM, the stink of her policies need to be purged.
I don't like to say it but Theresa May was probably too wooden for the modern audience.
And @Max the irony is that Labour managed to inspire the young by challenging the status quo whilst at the very same time undermining the Tories by defending the status quo for pensioners. That isn't sustainable for either main party longer-term, and I'd suggest redressing the generational balance is the correct and inevitable path, whoever gets to do it.
I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to do
Lots of sweeties?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.
If there was another election in four weeks time I suspect Corbyn would walk it...
Corbyn + Yvette as home sec and a decent broad church cabinet would be an easy Labour win.
I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to do
Lots of sweeties?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.
Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.
What we need is a Macron figure, like errr, Clegg.
I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to do
Lots of sweeties?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.
Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.
Calm down...
Soft Brexit is the result. It can now be sold to the 52% as the only Option..
Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
But having a council house is not the same as owning a property? The youth want property, not council houses.
They do not want insecure, expensive private lets.
Exactly, 6 months and then stuff in bin bags and looking for new flat AGAIN. Boomers screwed the millennials by buying all the housing.
So build more houses. Better still, convert older buildings into starter apartments - two bedrooms with combined kitchen/diner - and sell them for £50-100K.
But the baby boomers object to them, and hence very few get built. There seem to be very few issues that the youth have that are not being caused by the baby-boomers.
Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.
Bin Brexit and you will have even more chaos. Those like me who came back to the Tories because they were promising to enact Brexit will do all in our power to see them destroyed. UKIP or another party like them will surge massively and the forming a stable government will be impossible for any party.
UKIP smashed to smitherooons Massive swathes of Scotland turn blue Labour's allies in NI the SDLP wiped out Prospect of NI MPs joining the government, making it, along with the new Scots Tories, a truly UK administration.
Sickening bigotry directed at our fine Ulster folk on PB this morning from the self-proclaimed defenders of minorities.
And @Max the irony is that Labour managed to inspire the young by challenging the status quo whilst at the very same time undermining the Tories by defending the status quo for pensioners. That isn't sustainable for either main party longer-term, and I'd suggest redressing the generational balance is the correct and inevitable path, whoever gets to do it.
We have to do it via the housing sector now, take a massive dump on buy-to-let landlords and force all of those millions of houses and flats onto the market somehow so young people are able to get a food on the ladder. The kids can't buy houses because their parents are screwing them over. Buy-to-let is one of the main issues facing this country, as well as foreign ownership of residential (and commercial) property.
UKIP smashed to smitherooons Massive swathes of Scotland turn blue Labour's allies in NI the SDLP wiped out Prospect of NI MPs joining the government, making it, along with the new Scots Tories, a truly UK administration.
Sickening bigotry directed at our fine Ulster folk on PB this morning from the self-proclaimed defenders of minorities.
Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.
Bin Brexit and you will have even more chaos. Those like me who came back to the Tories because they were promising to enact Brexit will do all in our power to see them destroyed.
Would be no more than the Tories deserve to be fair...
I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to do
Lots of sweeties?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.
If there was another election in four weeks time I suspect Corbyn would walk it...
Depends on the Con leader, Boris or Hammond? Then potentially he wouldn't do worse.
Boris isn't the answer to any of the questions posed by the GE result.
I just don't see how the Tories can win these young people back without Labour having a stint in government?
Me neither, but they need to really start thinking about how to do
Lots of sweeties?
I think that student debt is too high. The fees being raised from £3k to £9k (and now even higher) was a terrible mistake and meant that people started off working life going from £10k debt (manageable) to £40k debt (ridiculous). And then they have to try and buy an overpriced house.
Changing fees back to £3k (applied retrospectively) and even making it free for key subjects I think needs to be looked at.
Corbyn could never actually deliver on this because of the rest of his policies, but the Tories could.
Even with fees at 3k, the debt typically is 25k because of maintenance loans.
Labour needs to get tactically sharp and start putting some carefully considered proposals and amendments in Parliament. If they choose their ground carefully it will be very difficult for May to hold her side together.
This is where Corbyn becomes an asset for the Tories. For two years they bungled their way through Parliament, but clearly they know how to campaign and sell a message/idea.
The Tories need to get a few Labour moderates on board, maybe involve Starmer in Brexit as a national interest. The division in Labour is still huge, it's just the Blairites are going to keep quiet about it until Corbyn steers them further to the left.
I think we may see a "Brexit negotiating committee" to which Starmer and even Cable will be invited to join. They'd be absolute idiots to accept, but I don't see how they could turn it down.
LOL! Why on Earth should Starmer and Cable get involved with this shower of sh*te?
Quite. Labour should steer well clear. The government is dead.
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.
If there was another election in four weeks time I suspect Corbyn would walk it...
Depends on the Con leader, Boris or Hammond? Then potentially he wouldn't do worse.
Boris isn't the answer to any of the questions posed by the GE result.
UKIP smashed to smitherooons Massive swathes of Scotland turn blue Labour's allies in NI the SDLP wiped out Prospect of NI MPs joining the government, making it, along with the new Scots Tories, a truly UK administration.
Sickening bigotry directed at our fine Ulster folk on PB this morning from the self-proclaimed defenders of minorities.
Really?
Nothing wrong with a bit of Orangism in my book.
The DUP see ISIS as being too soft on the gays.
I am no DUP supporter, but that is a vile comment.
And @Max the irony is that Labour managed to inspire the young by challenging the status quo whilst at the very same time undermining the Tories by defending the status quo for pensioners. That isn't sustainable for either main party longer-term, and I'd suggest redressing the generational balance is the correct and inevitable path, whoever gets to do it.
We have to do it via the housing sector now, take a massive dump on buy-to-let landlords and force all of those millions of houses and flats onto the market somehow so young people are able to get a food on the ladder. The kids can't buy houses because their parents are screwing them over. Buy-to-let is one of the main issues facing this country, as well as foreign ownership of residential (and commercial) property.
I would smash buy to let landlords with tax and force them to sell. Everyone deserves a home.
And @Max the irony is that Labour managed to inspire the young by challenging the status quo whilst at the very same time undermining the Tories by defending the status quo for pensioners. That isn't sustainable for either main party longer-term, and I'd suggest redressing the generational balance is the correct and inevitable path, whoever gets to do it.
We have to do it via the housing sector now, take a massive dump on buy-to-let landlords and force all of those millions of houses and flats onto the market somehow so young people are able to get a food on the ladder. The kids can't buy houses because their parents are screwing them over. Buy-to-let is one of the main issues facing this country, as well as foreign ownership of residential (and commercial) property.
That plus dropping tuition fees down to £3K (but off setting it by changing the repayment schedule - 10% over £20k, 15% over £30k) would be a very good start.
Edited extra bit: sorry, did you mean actual Conservatives, or the PB Tories [which is almost everyone]?
I wouldn't have a vote in such a leadership contest.
Mr Dancer I care about your opinion, weather you can vote or not!
As this is unscientific I just interested in peoples opinion rather than anything else.
(especially as you have gone for Davis)
I'm not a Tory, but Davis makes more sense as a replacement for May than any of the alternatives I can think of. Boris is a risible idea - and as we saw from the Gove episode, could probably be scared off if push comes to shove.
Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.
Bin Brexit and you will have even more chaos. Those like me who came back to the Tories because they were promising to enact Brexit will do all in our power to see them destroyed.
Would be no more than the Tories deserve to be fair...
Brexit cannot simply be 'binned', but there is no doubt that the GE places a huge ? over the basis on which the Tories intended to proceed. There are enough likely rebels on the Tory side to sink any chance of delivering a hard Brexit now. And for the first time there are some possible routes that might eventually lead to the whole thing being abandoned.
Feels like generational revenge. Long, long overdue, but bittersweet.
Not really. As pointed out down thread, yes more younger voters did turnout but that doens't account for what happened.
It was a combination of more young voters going for Jezza and older voters not fancying voting to have their houses stolen off them so they either switched to other parties or stayed at home.
Callum McCaig Mike Weir Corri Wilson Eilidh Whiteford Calum Kerr Paul Monaghan Phil Boswell Richard Arkless John Nicolson George Kerevan Kirsten Oswald Michelle Thomson Anne McLaughlin Alex Salmond Roger Mullin Owen Thompson Angus Robertson Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh Margaret Ferrier Steven Paterson Stuart Donaldson
Edited extra bit: sorry, did you mean actual Conservatives, or the PB Tories [which is almost everyone]?
I wouldn't have a vote in such a leadership contest.
Mr Dancer I care about your opinion, weather you can vote or not!
As this is unscientific I just interested in peoples opinion rather than anything else.
(especially as you have gone for Davis)
I'm not a Tory, but Davis makes more sense as a replacement for May than any of the alternatives I can think of. Boris is a risible idea - and as we saw from the Gove episode, could probably be scared off if push comes to shove.
Davies, Boris, Hammond, none of them are near the right answer. Tip: go for someone without grey hair.
And @Max the irony is that Labour managed to inspire the young by challenging the status quo whilst at the very same time undermining the Tories by defending the status quo for pensioners. That isn't sustainable for either main party longer-term, and I'd suggest redressing the generational balance is the correct and inevitable path, whoever gets to do it.
We have to do it via the housing sector now, take a massive dump on buy-to-let landlords and force all of those millions of houses and flats onto the market somehow so young people are able to get a food on the ladder. The kids can't buy houses because their parents are screwing them over. Buy-to-let is one of the main issues facing this country, as well as foreign ownership of residential (and commercial) property.
I would smash buy to let landlords with tax and force them to sell. Everyone deserves a home.
You are walking in to another dementia tax scenario with your core vote if you take on buy to let.
Young people cant buy and renting is killing them, all roads leave to Right to Buy, the most stupid policy ever.
I don't understand how you get to that conclusion, If a council house is sold then it is one less rented property and one more bought property.
Governments have done lots of stupid things that have paused up the price of housing, both rents and sale prices, above what they should/would be if left to the free market, but selling council houses is not one of them.
Aren't the majority of ex council houses now private rentals with vastly higher rents?
Max hasn't even begun to start comprehending the absolute cluster **** his party has inflicted on itself and all of us.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.
Bin Brexit and you will have even more chaos. Those like me who came back to the Tories because they were promising to enact Brexit will do all in our power to see them destroyed.
Would be no more than the Tories deserve to be fair...
Brexit cannot simply be 'binned', but there is no doubt that the GE places a huge ? over the basis on which the Tories intended to proceed. There are enough likely rebels on the Tory side to sink any chance of delivering a hard Brexit now. And for the first time there are some possible routes that might eventually lead to the whole thing being abandoned.
Tuurnout in the 18-24 agegroup was apparently 72%!
Nick – if you fancy a laugh look at yesterday morning's thread where an entire generation was being laughed at for being lazy/feckless etc etc on here.
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Truro and Falmouth 37.7% +22.5!
CON + DUP = 328 = LOL
As AveIt might say.
As this is unscientific I just interested in peoples opinion rather than anything else.
(especially as you have gone for Davis)
So they won Eastbourne with 46.9%, but just down the road the LD vote in Hastings was just 3.4%. Inexplicable
Have those tactical voting websites worked then? LD and Lab young voters savvy enogh to know hoe to stop the tories?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHp1YrkqCNA
I am now on suicide watch
Will we now treat the polls with the lack of respect they deserve
The key question here is obviously will Bercow continue to the next GE if it is now this year (or next) and will that mean I once again don't get a choice (for the 4th time!!!)
Now a new GE will be Tories offering sweeties to try and get certain groups back onside or corbyns policies of the madhouse, and I think people will vote for the madhouse.
The trend was parties having to be socially liberal / economically sound to get elected (which is fine with me), now it seems like that is all gone.
Everyone needs to get real. We're in a national emergency right now!
We need a new Con leader/PM NOW and Brexit will have to be binned.
http://newsthump.com/2017/06/08/ukip-celebrations-short-lived-after-discovering-its-exit-polls-not-exit-poles/
https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/873119870862245888
Soft Brexit is the result. It can now be sold to the 52% as the only
Option..
Everyone has apparently gone home because the counters are exhausted.
A fourth recount tomorrow morning.
Nothing wrong with a bit of Orangism in my book.
(650 - 7)/2 = 321.5 Maj line
On a more serious point, they won't help now. They'd alienate the social conservatives that are now crucial to even having 300 seats.
It was worn at Derry, Aughrim, Enniskillen and the Boyne.
Would be no more than the Tories deserve to be fair...
Normally best of three?
That plus dropping tuition fees down to £3K (but off setting it by changing the repayment schedule - 10% over £20k, 15% over £30k) would be a very good start.
Boris is a risible idea - and as we saw from the Gove episode, could probably be scared off if push comes to shove.
NEW THREAD
It was a combination of more young voters going for Jezza and older voters not fancying voting to have their houses stolen off them so they either switched to other parties or stayed at home.
Callum McCaig
Mike Weir
Corri Wilson
Eilidh Whiteford
Calum Kerr
Paul Monaghan
Phil Boswell
Richard Arkless
John Nicolson
George Kerevan
Kirsten Oswald
Michelle Thomson
Anne McLaughlin
Alex Salmond
Roger Mullin
Owen Thompson
Angus Robertson
Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh
Margaret Ferrier
Steven Paterson
Stuart Donaldson
The millennials are lazy/feckless/addicted to Playstation/scared of rain.
Chortle.
Nick – if you fancy a laugh look at yesterday morning's thread where an entire generation was being laughed at for being lazy/feckless etc etc on here.
I think the phrase is... he who laughs last...