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Theresa cannot possibly continue. She's a national laughing stock. She has zero credibility to negotiate with the EU. If she clings on she will damage the Tory brand further.

MikeL said:

alex. said:

Nigelb said:

numbertwelve said:

old_labour said:

BBC- TMay has no intention of resigning.

Oh god, she's going the full Gordon Brown,

The men in grey suits will have called by the end of the day and prized her out by her fingernails.

I doubt that.
Of course she has to go - but equally announcing a resignation this morning would be ridiculous. A government of some sort has to be formed, and that wouldn't be possible without a Conservative leader.
I do not like her at all, but one thing May unquestionable has is a sense of duty. She'll hang on until this dust settles.

And if she doesn't then go, she'll be ushered out very quickly.

Why is there any "urgency" to usher her out. The Conservatives have the numbers to pass a Queens speech. There is a five year parliament ahead. They can have a leadership contest in 2 years if they want. They've got boundary changes to come, and who knows if Corbyn will manage to blow up the Labour party again in the mean time.

Forget the boundary changes.

They are bad for the DUP - no chance they'll pass.

Yes. Suggest they'll be utterly re-visited. Back to 650 on the old rules on a new register.

freetochoose said:

The_Apocalypse said:

freetochoose said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Brom said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.

May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.

I'm sure she will, she should wait for all the results though.

Safe to say I didn't call those extra Labour votes last night! At least the Tory vote was where I expected. Quite an irony if the youth surge leads to Boris as PM, they would hate that.

My generation would dislike any Conservative leader.

Out of interest how old are you?

Early twenties.

Thanks, and may I ask why you would dislike any conservative leader?

I'm not keen on May and disliked Cameron immensely but quite liked Major.

I think something has been lost in translation there:)

*I* personally would not automatically dislike any Conservative leader. But my generation generally would - so I was just speaking to the general opinion of young people as opposed to my own specific views. I'm not a Corbynista, so my politics is a bit different to other young people.

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Let Corbyn reign.

The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.

Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.

Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.

So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.

Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.

Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.

Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.

I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.

No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.

Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours

Are you denying what I'm saying? Will you suffer in reality if it all goes tits-up?

I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?

No. You are insulated, whatever 'society asks' .

Well I have a job with a salary that pays my mortgage. If I lose that then I could lose my house. And wouldn't be able to educate my daughter in the way we want. I reckon that counts as "suffering".

And I already look at the pride of bread.

Now just fuck off, ok?

'Lose my house'

Which house is that?

'educate my daughter in the way we want.'

I daresay many people would want to educate her in that manner. Would you want to move to Wandsworth and send her to the local school?

You fuck off. You are privileged, and have lived a life of privilege. good on you. I actually quite like you, but your patrician bullshit grows weary. Try living a real life.

I haven't made any particular comments today except to point out you are being an arse. Goodbye.

JosiasJessop said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Quidder, perhaps.

Also, I'm glad I hedged the Richmond Park Lib Dems 26 tip from Mr. Putney, just wish I'd done the same when Cons had lay 1.7 for 350-399 seats.

Alas. I did lay them for an overall majority, which halved my Con seat numbers loss.

Mr. Charles, and Mr. Jessop, come on, chaps. This is meant to be a happy website. Let's not argue about who killed who.

Sorry, when someone's found at the crime scene, holding a bloody knife behind his back, whistling whilst displaying a 'get out of jail free' card, I think people have a right to comment on who might have aided the crime.

You and I are going to suffer the consequences of this much more than Charles is.

I genuinely fear for my son's future. This isn't about me, or Mrs J: it's about a three year old.

Get a grip.

MarqueeMark said:

The rush to get out the first "behind the scenes in the 2017 Tory campaign" book is going to be huge!

I want to hear more about THAT trip to Slough

The public have decided No Majority is better than a Bad Majority.

My take on the election.

steve_garner said:

Alistair said:

So with Philip Davies suffering such a disaster do you think we'll see less self satisfied smug twat Conservatives talking out private member bills?

He won.

Sad Panda

Hope May drives a Golf.

Brom said:

Alistair said:

So with Philip Davies suffering such a disaster do you think we'll see less self satisfied smug twat Conservatives talking out private member bills?

Oops

There was a lot of Labour rumours in West Yorkshire that didn't come to pass. Ditto Pudsey and Elmet.

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

JosiasJessop said:

Let Corbyn reign.

The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.

Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.

Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.

So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.

Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.

Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.

Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.

I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.

No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.

Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours

Are you denying what I'm saying? Will you suffer in reality if it all goes tits-up?

I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?

No. You are insulated, whatever 'society asks' .

Well I have a job with a salary that pays my mortgage. If I lose that then I could lose my house. And wouldn't be able to educate my daughter in the way we want. I reckon that counts as "suffering".

And I already look at the pride of bread.

Now just fuck off, ok?

'Lose my house'

Which house is that?

'educate my daughter in the way we want.'

I daresay many people would want to educate her in that manner. Would you want to move to Wandsworth and send her to the local school?

You fuck off. You are privileged, and have lived a life of privilege. good on you. I actually quite like you, but your patrician bullshit grows weary. Try living a real life.

I haven't made any particular comments today except to point out you are being an arse. Goodbye.

An arse is someone who wants to spend £200 million on a bridge to help the local poor kids.

Are you denying you're insulated from the consequences of Brexit?

Jonathan said:

Hope May drives a Golf.

Diesel.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2017-united-kingdom-general-election

Those were the 'real' polls btw.

Any chance of the Tories trying to forge a consensus with other parties on Brexit negotiations?

MarqueeMark said:

"Mrs May, what is the naughtiest thing you have ever done?"

"Running through a wheat field, whilst firing at my team of advisors with an AK47....."

Honestly, May seems blinkered enough to believe that it's the voters rather than her and her shitty advisors that are wrong.

I actually think the outcome of this election could be actually a good thing effectively the majority is roughly the same including the DUP and because of the gains the Tories have made in Scotland effectively they now have representation in all four quarters of the UK going into the Brexit negotiations no longer can the snp in Scotland say that Scottish interest to not being represented in the Brexit talks as the Tories now hold 13 seats in Scotland and the DUP hold 10 seats in Northern Ireland. in a certain way she has actually strengthened her hand going into the Brexit negotiations despite the immediate political reaction she now has a "union" majority

JosiasJessop said:

MarqueeMark said:

JosiasJessop said:

I suggest you butt out. She asked for this, and the lemmings in the Conservative party went running over the edge of the precipice at her behest. It all looked so different a few weeks ago, didn't it?

Chill. Or you're going to get no enjoyment out of today.

I'm getting lots of enjoyment. I'm on a bus-ride over the cliff caused by the Conservative brexiteers.

Or so-called 'conservatives'.

I cannot reach the controls, so I'm along for the ride.

Hahahahahahahaha.

Are you enjoying it as much?

We had a great result in Torbay.....

OblitusSumMe said:

Any chance of the Tories trying to forge a consensus with other parties on Brexit negotiations?

Way to early to think about it, but it's an option.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Crikey, it wasn't a dream, Theresa May is a pound shop Gordon Brown cum Andrew Bonar Law, and SCon surge is real.

Do bear in mind Andrew Bonar Law was diagnosed with terminal throat cancer, hence his short occupation of 10 Downing Street.

Slackbladder said:

Good morning all....or rather not so good.

May has to go, maybe not right away, but she needs to start the next leadership contest asap. Its as simple.

Get a new confident leader and get some actual attractive policies. Ditch Grammar school f-ing about, never mention fox hunting, and FFS sort out a proper programme for public services.

Corbyn might be utterly dangerous, but at least he was promising to make things better than they are. If the Tories can't do that, they deserve to lose.

Grammars was not a problem, a plurality support a few more, what was a problem was endless austerity, that needs to be eased off and taxes cut for average earners

MarqueeMark said:

JosiasJessop said:

MarqueeMark said:

JosiasJessop said:

I suggest you butt out. She asked for this, and the lemmings in the Conservative party went running over the edge of the precipice at her behest. It all looked so different a few weeks ago, didn't it?

Chill. Or you're going to get no enjoyment out of today.

I'm getting lots of enjoyment. I'm on a bus-ride over the cliff caused by the Conservative brexiteers.

Or so-called 'conservatives'.

I cannot reach the controls, so I'm along for the ride.

Hahahahahahahaha.

Are you enjoying it as much?

We had a great result in Torbay.....

Good on you. I quite admire the way Corbyn's destroyed all his rivals, but I'd prefer even a half-sane Conservative government over one ruled by him.

So thanks for all your work. But it is a shame that May's let us all down.

Slackbladder said:

OblitusSumMe said:

Any chance of the Tories trying to forge a consensus with other parties on Brexit negotiations?

Way to early to think about it, but it's an option.

Government of national unity to get us through Brexit?

OblitusSumMe said:

Any chance of the Tories trying to forge a consensus with other parties on Brexit negotiations?

Depends who the Tory leader is.

I think based on a rough guess a majority of Tory MPs would support single market/customs union membership.

Good Morning Comrade PBers ....

Having a wonderful breakfast. I'm presently enjoying a gigantic slice of humble pie, having managed to lick off the copious amount of egg on my face first. Who also knew castor oil was such a dream drink this time of the day.

I hear too that JohnO is presently enjoying a similar petit dejeuner in the first class restaurant car of the train from Hersham to Islington, via Caithness, where he intends to offer himself as a Labour peer on the red benches.

GideonWise said:

Theresa cannot possibly continue. She's a national laughing stock. She has zero credibility to negotiate with the EU. If she clings on she will damage the Tory brand further.

Not sure - could plausibly argue that she needs a good deal otherwise she loses her position and we crash out without a deal. May make that threat more plausible than if she had a big majority

Are the DUP libertarians when it comes to economic matters? Obviously not sexual matters.

Daily Mash sums up Corbyn's 'victory'.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/jubilant-corbyn-celebrates-defeat-by-an-idiot-20170609129135

https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/873075693902483456

numbertwelve said:

BBC suggesting Arlene Foster might expect a leadership change in exchange for support.

It begins...

Somewhat cheeky given the situation at Stormont hinges on her leadership.

Same time, same place in say 3 months for another shit show?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Crikey, it wasn't a dream, Theresa May is a pound shop Gordon Brown cum Andrew Bonar Law, and SCon surge is real.

She lacks the sel f awareness of Cameron, he knew his limits and worked accordingly.

OblitusSumMe said:

Any chance of the Tories trying to forge a consensus with other parties on Brexit negotiations?

They'll have to forge a consensus with their own party first. How can May get a majority for a supposed Brexit deal when she needs to keep Hollobone and Cash, and Soubry and Clarke, all on side?

Maybe the Lib Dems will get their second referendum after all.

Does the result mean we are forced to see and hear more of the odious Farage again?

SquareRoot said:

HYUFD said:

Slackbladder said:

Good morning all....or rather not so good.

May has to go, maybe not right away, but she needs to start the next leadership contest asap. Its as simple.

Get a new confident leader and get some actual attractive policies. Ditch Grammar school f-ing about, never mention fox hunting, and FFS sort out a proper programme for public services.

Corbyn might be utterly dangerous, but at least he was promising to make things better than they are. If the Tories can't do that, they deserve to lose.

Grammars was not a problem, a plurality support a few more, what was a problem was endless austerity, that needs to be eased off and taxes cut for average earners

ditch all talk of the social care stuff.. royal all party commission.. reinstate winter fuel allowance..

Hope there's no recession and the deficit doesn't explode....

I'm really pissed off at the stupid tory party since 2014.

It's been one f*ckup after another, all to appease the nutjobs on their right.

They've dragged the country into the gutter.

grrr.

JosiasJessop said:

MarqueeMark said:

JosiasJessop said:

MarqueeMark said:

JosiasJessop said:

I suggest you butt out. She asked for this, and the lemmings in the Conservative party went running over the edge of the precipice at her behest. It all looked so different a few weeks ago, didn't it?

Chill. Or you're going to get no enjoyment out of today.

I'm getting lots of enjoyment. I'm on a bus-ride over the cliff caused by the Conservative brexiteers.

Or so-called 'conservatives'.

I cannot reach the controls, so I'm along for the ride.

Hahahahahahahaha.

Are you enjoying it as much?

We had a great result in Torbay.....

Good on you. I quite admire the way Corbyn's destroyed all his rivals, but I'd prefer even a half-sane Conservative government over one ruled by him.

So thanks for all your work. But it is a shame that May's let us all down.

If only she had been advised by at least one person who was prepared to look at the election plans and the Manifesto and ask

"Now why the FUCK would you want to do that?"

I think Kevin Foster would have been happy to second me to the top team, just to ask that... All that wanking about in Bolsover when they suffered bonkers losses by less than 100 votes. Hubris. Pure and simple.

Pulpstar said:

Worst bets: All the Tory overs & the ~ £700 I had on Vale of Clwyd and Gower to win ~ £150

Best bet: Ynys Mons ~ £70 @ 12-1

My constituency bets overall are OK. Tories gained Mansfield and Walsall N. and retained Brecon as I thought but didn't gain Edgbaston, Hartlepool, Northfield, Wrexham or C&W. Nearly all my Labour, LibDem and SNP bets won, e.g. SNP retained Skye, LDs gained Edinburgh W.

The Tory majority odds @ 1.2-1.25 were no more 'value' than similar odds on Clinton. Better another time to split it between ten 'value' constituencies @ ~1.2.

I think it's back to mostly constituency betting only for me. On balance, it does better. I now think we'll have another GE soon!

JackW said:

Good Morning Comrade PBers ....

Having a wonderful breakfast. I'm presently enjoying a gigantic slice of humble pie, having managed to lick off the copious amount of egg on my face first. Who also knew castor oil was such a dream drink this time of the day.

I hear too that JohnO is presently enjoying a similar petit dejeuner in the first class restaurant car of the train from Hersham to Islington, via Caithness, where he intends to offer himself as a Labour peer on the red benches.

Humble pie, publicly and gracefully consumed, can be part of the nicest meal. Consuming it can be the mark of a true gentleman.

Is there an implementation date for the new constituency boundaries?

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Same time, same place in say 3 months for another shit show?

No. No more elections. We can't risk one with Corbyn as opposition leader. We've been dealt a poor hand but we've got to play it now. If we go back to the public in less than two years we'll get absolutely smashed.

Looking forward to it already. And less face it the Tories thoroughly deserve it.

Things to be grateful for in this GE.

1. Moving from a small majority to a minority gov means little change in the difficulties of getting legislation through (it will still be awkward).

2. Maybe the only significant event will be dealing with Brexit, and other legislation will be slow, which might not be a bad thing.

3. Another Tory leader will be lined up, as TMay will not be allowed to contest another one. Perhaps one who is prepared to take the fight to Labour.

4. Corbyn was handed a level-playing field by TMay. She undermined her own manifesto and ceded the field to his policies. The terrorist attack nullified Corbyn's past and allowed him to make it about Police cuts. He had policies that were designed for mass appeal, and no-one really challenged the economics of Labour, as no-one thought he had a chance. The smaller parties were squeezed and overall this benefited Corbyn. He started out as the underdog, but ended up with all the momentum and it turned out to be a great chance for him. Despite all this, he still lost the election. The election was polarised and hard left policies failed here.

5. The Tories will learn from this and attack on the economics of Labour's policies in future (I hope).

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/873075693902483456

I think we'll find a surprisingly large number of Yessers voted Labour.

MarqueeMark said:

JosiasJessop said:

MarqueeMark said:

JosiasJessop said:

MarqueeMark said:

JosiasJessop said:

I suggest you butt out. She asked for this, and the lemmings in the Conservative party went running over the edge of the precipice at her behest. It all looked so different a few weeks ago, didn't it?

Chill. Or you're going to get no enjoyment out of today.

I'm getting lots of enjoyment. I'm on a bus-ride over the cliff caused by the Conservative brexiteers.

Or so-called 'conservatives'.

I cannot reach the controls, so I'm along for the ride.

Hahahahahahahaha.

Are you enjoying it as much?

We had a great result in Torbay.....

Good on you. I quite admire the way Corbyn's destroyed all his rivals, but I'd prefer even a half-sane Conservative government over one ruled by him.

So thanks for all your work. But it is a shame that May's let us all down.

If only she had been advised by at least one person who was prepared to look at the election plans and the Manifesto and ask

"Now why the FUCK would you want to do that?"

I think Kevin Foster would have been happy to second me to the top team, just to ask that... All that wanking about in Bolsover when they suffered bonkers losses by less than 100 votes. Hubris. Pure and simple.

It'll be very interesting to know how much visibility the high-uppers in the party got to see of the plan before she called the election.

If Corbyn's manifesto was written by the unions, then May's was written by the village fool.

kjohnw said:

I actually think the outcome of this election could be actually a good thing effectively the majority is roughly the same including the DUP and because of the gains the Tories have made in Scotland effectively they now have representation in all four quarters of the UK going into the Brexit negotiations no longer can the snp in Scotland say that Scottish interest to not being represented in the Brexit talks as the Tories now hold 13 seats in Scotland and the DUP hold 10 seats in Northern Ireland. in a certain way she has actually strengthened her hand going into the Brexit negotiations despite the immediate political reaction she now has a "union" majority

'good for Brexit/Tories/May'

TheScreamingEagles said:

old_labour said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

OblitusSumMe said:

Any chance of the Tories trying to forge a consensus with other parties on Brexit negotiations?

Depends who the Tory leader is.

I think based on a rough guess a majority of Tory MPs would support single market/customs union membership.

So betrayal rather than Brexit.

Economic reality.

Tell that to those people in the English rust belt who voted for her.

JosiasJessop said:

JackW said:

Good Morning Comrade PBers ....

Having a wonderful breakfast. I'm presently enjoying a gigantic slice of humble pie, having managed to lick off the copious amount of egg on my face first. Who also knew castor oil was such a dream drink this time of the day.

I hear too that JohnO is presently enjoying a similar petit dejeuner in the first class restaurant car of the train from Hersham to Islington, via Caithness, where he intends to offer himself as a Labour peer on the red benches.

Humble pie, publicly and gracefully consumed, can be part of the nicest meal. Consuming it can be the mark of a true gentleman.

He is a true gentleman, the wittiest poster on here.

Jonathan said:

Can the Tories really work with the DUP? Concerning.

Sinn Fein worked with them....

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eagles, if we're in the customs union/single market, is there a point to leaving?

No.

My goodness the shit AI got yesterday for daring to say that Corbyn had run a good campaign.