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There is a chance that if the UK Govt. is seen as wholly in the pocket of the DUP when it comes to matters Northern Irish, then the Shinners might have to reconsider not taking their Westminster seats.....llef said:
isnt stormont a crisis waiting to erupt too?MarqueeMark said:
The issue of the NI/Republic border is going to be taking up about 90% of the time of the Brexit team. Hardly ideal. And yes, they will be wanting a soft Brexit to implement what is best for NI.not_on_fire said:
Hardly what the Tories were hoping for though. The DUP will want a soft Brexit in return for their supportMarqueeMark said:MikeL said:If Con win three of five that's 317
Con 317 + DUP 10 = 327
Opposition 316
Total 343 exc SF
Majority 11
DUP aren't going to let Corbyn and McDonnell anywhere near the levers of power.0 -
Stories came out, didn’t they, that you couldn’t tell her.OUT said:
Weak PM that's gonna work.ThreeQuidder said:
Now, about that thread about a Willie!0 -
Great stuff. So good to see Labour winning in Scotland again. Amazing Tory result there, too.Danny565 said:
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Anybody looking to gloat or wanting money, contact me by PM , I am extremely busy at work so will have little time to be on PB.
Happy to pay out as it was a great night, Tories hoist by their own petard, the donkeys from Scotland will be useless and the morons that voted for them will get their comeuppance. Independence more likely than ever.0 -
Thanks as well. See you later on today.MikeL said:
Thanks for all your work - I think Con had some other wins by under 100.AndyJS said:
Richmond Park is the one that springs to mind. There are a few others but I can't remember them at the moment. Time for a bit of rest.MikeL said:
What about close wins?AndyJS said:Narrow Tory misses:
Perth & North Perthshire: 21 votes.
Dudley North: 22 votes.
Newcastle-under-Lyme: 30 votes.
Crewe & Nantwich: 48 votes.0 -
Well I have a job with a salary that pays my mortgage. If I lose that then I could lose my house. And wouldn't be able to educate my daughter in the way we want. I reckon that counts as "suffering".JosiasJessop said:
Are you denying what I'm saying? Will you suffer in reality if it all goes tits-up?Charles said:
No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.Charles said:
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours
I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?
No. You are insulated, whatever 'society asks' .
And I already look at the pride of bread.
Now just fuck off, ok?0 -
We're the sort of people the entitled, inherited rich such as Charles need to keep on side. He's surprisingly lost me, and from last night's result I guess others.Winstanley said:
And you guys were worried about abuse from MomentumDadge said:
JJ's putting it more strongly than I would, but the arrogant underestimate how much they are resented.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.Charles said:
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
But he's okay, as he's protected.0 -
Any chance Corbyn will blow Labour's result by launching a purge against opponents in his party? Shadow Cabinet might be interesting.0
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Pauly, morning.
You mention debt reduction. I just don't see it. The Cons barely had a majority for deficit reduction with a parliamentary majority; look at the NIC u-turn or back to the tax credits issue when Osborne was still at number 11. How are they going to drill down on it as a minority?0 -
I don't think it's hopelessly hung: all the Tories need to pass a Queen's Speech is the DUP to abstain.Morris_Dancer said:Morning, everyone.
Running through the results. In betting terms, England poor to dire, Scotland super, overall numbers good for Lib Dems/UKIP, bad for the Conservatives.
Glad the Lib Dems got 12 because I backed them to be over 11.5 at 1.83.
Got up at half four or so to see how things were going. Saw the winner's speech of the chap who beat Salmond, so that was something.
Trying to see the positives of such a hopelessly Hung Parliament. Maybe we'll be spared the economic insanity of Corbyn and the authoritarian meddling of May.
Commiserations to Mr. Price, whose efforts were undone by the insanity of Timothy/May.
But positives?
1) The SNP have gone massively backwards
2) We now have a chance at a more consensual Leave solution, with the two parties that wanted to overturn the referendum result collectively going backwards and the two parties that accepted it winning 580 seats between them.0 -
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https://twitter.com/BarryCaffrey/status/873068389933006848AndyJS said:
Do we know how close it is? Less than 10 votes perhaps.Danny565 said:BBC says there'll be another recount in Kensington later today. But Labour candidate confident.
https://twitter.com/BarryCaffrey/status/8730572547480207380 -
So totalling up my spreadsheet it looks like I've made a 50% return on investment.
Could be worse.
The only sad panda moment is that I partially laid off my £35 at 14/1 on Tory >9.5 seats in Scotland to make it a free bet.0 -
What seats are still to declare, other than Kensington?0
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Lacking hack sacked, back, and crack on?MarqueeMark said:
Better!Polruan said:
Full chronology including by-election would be "sacked, back and crack on"MarqueeMark said:Zac back and crack on regardless....
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Ken was right.
She's a bloody difficult woman.
Go. NOW.0 -
The youth turnout is genuinely encouraging, whatever people think of the result. Grey power should not be the only driver for manifestos.not_on_fire said:PB Myths busted last night
- ICM are the gold standard
- 18-24 year olds don't vote
- All UKIP voters are Tories on holiday
- Lynton Crosby knows what he's doing
- The electorate wants Hard Brexit0 -
Zac getting in by 45 will have cost quite a few PBers who were on Olney at ridiculous odds !0
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- bad weather favours the Tories, it pissed down all day in Lancaster and Fleetwoodnot_on_fire said:PB Myths busted last night
- ICM are the gold standard
- 18-24 year olds don't vote
- All UKIP voters are Tories on holiday
- Lynton Crosby knows what he's doing
- The electorate wants Hard Brexit0 -
Has Theresa The House Snatcher resigned yet?0
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First rule of betting: don't go skint.Alistair said:So totalling up my spreadsheet it looks like I've made a 50% return on investment.
Could be worse.
The only sad panda moment is that I partially laid off my £35 at 14/1 on Tory >9.5 seats in Scotland to make it a free bet.0 -
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Is there a list anywhere of all the seats that have changed hands?0
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The country has rejected austerity and hard Brexit. May should go and allow Corbyn his constitutional right to attempt a QS, vote it down and be washed away in an October election. She blew it. She offered nothing to vote for. Corbyn offered hope, albeit pie in the sky. The country wants hope. If they struggle on like major 93-97 then a Labour landslide will follow.
Or she appeals for National coalition with the moderate labourites.
Utter chaos.0 -
That sounds like someone who has overextended themselves....Charles said:
Well I have a job with a salary that pays my mortgage. If I lose that then I could lose my house. And wouldn't be able to educate my daughter in the way we want. I reckon that counts as "suffering".JosiasJessop said:
Are you denying what I'm saying? Will you suffer in reality if it all goes tits-up?Charles said:
No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.Charles said:
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours
I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?
No. You are insulated, whatever 'society asks' .
And I already look at the pride of bread.
Now just fuck off, ok?0 -
I wonder how many people are happy this morning, I didn't vote but I'm poorer as a result of lost bets. Corbyn now has a mandate to lead Labour for as long as he wants which will displease plenty of labour voters, the tories are in chaos, the libs are gone, ukip and greens finished.
Interesting times.0 -
Thanks to who ever tipped Lab in Wirral West at Labour's polling nadir.0
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I think he worst thing people can do at this time is be personal on the internet. The result is the responsibility of nobody but the powers that be in each party.
What a strange result - personally thrilled that the Tories gained Middlesbrough South. That result means a lot to me.0 -
Mr. Quidder, perhaps.
Also, I'm glad I hedged the Richmond Park Lib Dems 26 tip from Mr. Putney, just wish I'd done the same when Cons had lay 1.7 for 350-399 seats.
Alas. I did lay them for an overall majority, which halved my Con seat numbers loss.
Mr. Charles, and Mr. Jessop, come on, chaps. This is meant to be a happy website. Let's not argue about who killed who.0 -
I doubt that.numbertwelve said:
Oh god, she's going the full Gordon Brown,old_labour said:BBC- TMay has no intention of resigning.
The men in grey suits will have called by the end of the day and prized her out by her fingernails.
Of course she has to go - but equally announcing a resignation this morning would be ridiculous. A government of some sort has to be formed, and that wouldn't be possible without a Conservative leader.
I do not like her at all, but one thing May unquestionable has is a sense of duty. She'll hang on until this dust settles.
And if she doesn't then go, she'll be ushered out very quickly.0 -
Why would Corbyn be washed away in an October election if his QS gets voted down?dyedwoolie said:The country has rejected austerity and hard Brexit. May should go and allow Corbyn his constitutional right to attempt a QS, vote it down and be washed away in an October election. She blew it. She offered nothing to vote for. Corbyn offered hope, albeit pie in the sky. The country wants hope. If they struggle on like major 93-97 then a Labour landslide will follow.
Or she appeals for National coalition with the moderate labourites.
Utter chaos.0 -
Tories not Corbynalex. said:
Why would Corbyn be washed away in an October election if his QS gets voted down?dyedwoolie said:The country has rejected austerity and hard Brexit. May should go and allow Corbyn his constitutional right to attempt a QS, vote it down and be washed away in an October election. She blew it. She offered nothing to vote for. Corbyn offered hope, albeit pie in the sky. The country wants hope. If they struggle on like major 93-97 then a Labour landslide will follow.
Or she appeals for National coalition with the moderate labourites.
Utter chaos.0 -
'Lose my house'Charles said:
Well I have a job with a salary that pays my mortgage. If I lose that then I could lose my house. And wouldn't be able to educate my daughter in the way we want. I reckon that counts as "suffering".JosiasJessop said:
Are you denying what I'm saying? Will you suffer in reality if it all goes tits-up?Charles said:
No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.Charles said:
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours
I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?
No. You are insulated, whatever 'society asks' .
And I already look at the pride of bread.
Now just fuck off, ok?
Which house is that?
'educate my daughter in the way we want.'
I daresay many people would want to educate her in that manner. Would you want to move to Wandsworth and send her to the local school?
You fuck off. You are privileged, and have lived a life of privilege. good on you. I actually quite like you, but your patrician bullshit grows weary. Try living a real life.0 -
Gordon Brown situation was very different - he lost 100 seats and Conservatives were by a long way the largest party. She has lost 20 and is still by a long way the largest party.Nigelb said:
I doubt that.numbertwelve said:
Oh god, she's going the full Gordon Brown,old_labour said:BBC- TMay has no intention of resigning.
The men in grey suits will have called by the end of the day and prized her out by her fingernails.
Of course she has to go - but equally announcing a resignation this morning would be ridiculous. A government of some sort has to be formed, and that wouldn't be possible without a Conservative leader.
I do not like her at all, but one thing May unquestionable has is a sense of duty. She'll hang on until this dust settles.
And if she doesn't then go, she'll be ushered out very quickly.0 -
LOL! Sorry love your history - Pack your bags and leave. This morning. You complete and total failure!old_labour said:BBC- TMay has no intention of resigning.
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That sounds like pretty much every person I've ever met.eek said:
That sounds like someone who has overextended themselves....Charles said:
Well I have a job with a salary that pays my mortgage. If I lose that then I could lose my house. And wouldn't be able to educate my daughter in the way we want. I reckon that counts as "suffering".JosiasJessop said:
Are you denying what I'm saying? Will you suffer in reality if it all goes tits-up?Charles said:
No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.Charles said:
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours
I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?
No. You are insulated, whatever 'society asks' .
And I already look at the pride of bread.
Now just fuck off, ok?0 -
2 results sum this election up:
Lab Gain Kensington.
Con Gain Mansfield.0 -
we must assume for the future that this is going to be the pattern...
I suspect this assumption about the youth vote is not entirely right, and we'll see a reversion to the mean over time.0 -
I suggest you take a break, this is no one's fault but May's. Nobody asked for this.JosiasJessop said:
'Lose my house'Charles said:
Well I have a job with a salary that pays my mortgage. If I lose that then I could lose my house. And wouldn't be able to educate my daughter in the way we want. I reckon that counts as "suffering".JosiasJessop said:
Are you denying what I'm saying? Will you suffer in reality if it all goes tits-up?Charles said:
No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.Charles said:
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours
I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?
No. You are insulated, whatever 'society asks' .
And I already look at the pride of bread.
Now just fuck off, ok?
Which house is that?
'educate my daughter in the way we want.'
I daresay many people would want to educate her in that manner. Would you want to move to Wandsworth and send her to the local school?
You fuck off. You are privileged, and have lived a life of privilege. good on you. I actually quite like you, but your patrician bullshit grows weary. Try living a real life.0 -
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dyedwoolie said:
The country has rejected austerity and hard Brexit. May should go and allow Corbyn his constitutional right to attempt a QS, vote it down and be washed away in an October election. She blew it. She offered nothing to vote for. Corbyn offered hope, albeit pie in the sky. The country wants hope. If they struggle on like major 93-97 then a Labour landslide will follow.
Or she appeals for National coalition with the moderate labourites.
Utter chaos.
The last thing this country needs now is 4 months of chaos in government followed by another election of unpredictable outcome. If May does a deal with the DUP she has the votes to govern, at least for a while. She's right to do so.dyedwoolie said:The country has rejected austerity and hard Brexit. May should go and allow Corbyn his constitutional right to attempt a QS, vote it down and be washed away in an October election. She blew it. She offered nothing to vote for. Corbyn offered hope, albeit pie in the sky. The country wants hope. If they struggle on like major 93-97 then a Labour landslide will follow.
Or she appeals for National coalition with the moderate labourites.
Utter chaos.0 -
Why is there any "urgency" to usher her out. The Conservatives have the numbers to pass a Queens speech. There is a five year parliament ahead. They can have a leadership contest in 2 years if they want. They've got boundary changes to come, and who knows if Corbyn will manage to blow up the Labour party again in the mean time.Nigelb said:
I doubt that.numbertwelve said:
Oh god, she's going the full Gordon Brown,old_labour said:BBC- TMay has no intention of resigning.
The men in grey suits will have called by the end of the day and prized her out by her fingernails.
Of course she has to go - but equally announcing a resignation this morning would be ridiculous. A government of some sort has to be formed, and that wouldn't be possible without a Conservative leader.
I do not like her at all, but one thing May unquestionable has is a sense of duty. She'll hang on until this dust settles.
And if she doesn't then go, she'll be ushered out very quickly.0 -
Mr. Gin, Caesar had no plans to resign either.0
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Worst bets: All the Tory overs & the ~ £700 I had on Vale of Clwyd and Gower to win ~ £150
Best bet: Ynys Mons ~ £70 @ 12-10 -
Labour and their coalition patners only manage 313 seats0
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Up to a point, Lord Coppermalcolmg said:Independence more likely than ever.
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Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.
May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.0 -
So obviously resigning is a sound choice!dyedwoolie said:
Tories not Corbynalex. said:
Why would Corbyn be washed away in an October election if his QS gets voted down?dyedwoolie said:The country has rejected austerity and hard Brexit. May should go and allow Corbyn his constitutional right to attempt a QS, vote it down and be washed away in an October election. She blew it. She offered nothing to vote for. Corbyn offered hope, albeit pie in the sky. The country wants hope. If they struggle on like major 93-97 then a Labour landslide will follow.
Or she appeals for National coalition with the moderate labourites.
Utter chaos.0 -
Can we have a 2017 'you gambled and lost' committee?GIN1138 said:
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Because her authority is gone.alex. said:
Why is there any "urgency" to usher her out. The Conservatives have the numbers to pass a Queens speech. There is a five year parliament ahead. They can have a leadership contest in 2 years if they want. They've got boundary changes to come, and who knows if Corbyn will manage to blow up the Labour party again in the mean time.Nigelb said:
I doubt that.numbertwelve said:
Oh god, she's going the full Gordon Brown,old_labour said:BBC- TMay has no intention of resigning.
The men in grey suits will have called by the end of the day and prized her out by her fingernails.
Of course she has to go - but equally announcing a resignation this morning would be ridiculous. A government of some sort has to be formed, and that wouldn't be possible without a Conservative leader.
I do not like her at all, but one thing May unquestionable has is a sense of duty. She'll hang on until this dust settles.
And if she doesn't then go, she'll be ushered out very quickly.
Any government will be on a knife edge, and will require tactical and strategic adroitness from the prime minister. Qualities she has demonstrated in very, very small teaspoonfuls.
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So, May thinks she isn't going.. I can hear the footsteps of the men in grey suits..0
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Quite so. And with a route to a reasonably stable Govt. with the DUP.alex. said:
Gordon Brown situation was very different - he lost 100 seats and Conservatives were by a long way the largest party. She has lost 20 and is still by a long way the largest party.Nigelb said:
I doubt that.numbertwelve said:
Oh god, she's going the full Gordon Brown,old_labour said:BBC- TMay has no intention of resigning.
The men in grey suits will have called by the end of the day and prized her out by her fingernails.
Of course she has to go - but equally announcing a resignation this morning would be ridiculous. A government of some sort has to be formed, and that wouldn't be possible without a Conservative leader.
I do not like her at all, but one thing May unquestionable has is a sense of duty. She'll hang on until this dust settles.
And if she doesn't then go, she'll be ushered out very quickly.
Brexit discussions start with the EU in 10 days. Maybe. Surely we can't have them headed by Prime Minister May when everyone on the other side of the table is waiting for her to leave to see what position her successor will adopt?0 -
Apparently Labour are about 30 votes ahead in Kensington. Tories keep requesting recounts and it's now been delayed until this afternoon or possibly tomorrow.0
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I expect there will be quite significant protests in London - later - if May attempts to cling on.0
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+1Nigelb said:
Because her authority is gone.alex. said:
Why is there any "urgency" to usher her out. The Conservatives have the numbers to pass a Queens speech. There is a five year parliament ahead. They can have a leadership contest in 2 years if they want. They've got boundary changes to come, and who knows if Corbyn will manage to blow up the Labour party again in the mean time.Nigelb said:
I doubt that.numbertwelve said:
Oh god, she's going the full Gordon Brown,old_labour said:BBC- TMay has no intention of resigning.
The men in grey suits will have called by the end of the day and prized her out by her fingernails.
Of course she has to go - but equally announcing a resignation this morning would be ridiculous. A government of some sort has to be formed, and that wouldn't be possible without a Conservative leader.
I do not like her at all, but one thing May unquestionable has is a sense of duty. She'll hang on until this dust settles.
And if she doesn't then go, she'll be ushered out very quickly.
Any government will be on a knife edge, and will require tactical and strategic adroitness from the prime minister. Qualities she has demonstrated in very, very small teaspoonfuls.
She has been destroyed. Corbyn - yes, Corbyn - has bested her. How can anyone remain under such ignominy?0 -
I'm sure she will, she should wait for all the results though.The_Apocalypse said:Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.
May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.
Safe to say I didn't call those extra Labour votes last night! At least the Tory vote was where I expected. Quite an irony if the youth surge leads to Boris as PM, they would hate that.0 -
She has the constitutional right to stay on if she has a majority in the HoC.GIN1138 said:
Heath stayed on for 18 months in 1974/75 after his 'sell by date'. Including an election which Wilson won by 4.
Give her 4 months, time for a leadership election and an autumn GE which will be 'interesting' if the young are energised by this and a few more register in marginals.0 -
May promising not to resign? U-Turn by 10am?0
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Just takes 5 Con MPs to refuse to back her QS and she's done.0
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Forget the boundary changes.alex. said:
Why is there any "urgency" to usher her out. The Conservatives have the numbers to pass a Queens speech. There is a five year parliament ahead. They can have a leadership contest in 2 years if they want. They've got boundary changes to come, and who knows if Corbyn will manage to blow up the Labour party again in the mean time.Nigelb said:
I doubt that.numbertwelve said:
Oh god, she's going the full Gordon Brown,old_labour said:BBC- TMay has no intention of resigning.
The men in grey suits will have called by the end of the day and prized her out by her fingernails.
Of course she has to go - but equally announcing a resignation this morning would be ridiculous. A government of some sort has to be formed, and that wouldn't be possible without a Conservative leader.
I do not like her at all, but one thing May unquestionable has is a sense of duty. She'll hang on until this dust settles.
And if she doesn't then go, she'll be ushered out very quickly.
They are bad for the DUP - no chance they'll pass.0 -
Where do we have left ?
North Cornwall - Con
SE Cornwall - Con
Kensington - ??
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So with Philip Davies suffering such a disaster do you think we'll see less self satisfied smug twat Conservatives talking out private member bills?0
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I wonder about the unthinkable - Sinn Fein propping up a Corbyn government ?0
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My generation would dislike any Conservative leader.Brom said:
I'm sure she will, she should wait for all the results though.The_Apocalypse said:Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.
May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.
Safe to say I didn't call those extra Labour votes last night! At least the Tory vote was where I expected. Quite an irony if the youth surge leads to Boris as PM, they would hate that.0 -
He won.Alistair said:So with Philip Davies suffering such a disaster do you think we'll see less self satisfied smug twat Conservatives talking out private member bills?
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That depends entirely on how long she intends to stay.The_Apocalypse said:Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.
May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.
I guess we wait for her statement this morning.0 -
If Conservatives are going to replace May they need a proper leadership election to do it. Not a stitch up to rush in a new PM. As I say the Government is not under threat. Have a leadership election in a couple of years once we see how Brexit negotiations are working out.0
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Ignore the siren voices. Keep calm, and carry on: Governing.
No need to resign. Do what you have to with the DUP. Get Brexit out the way, find a safe seat for Ruth, and hand over in time next election.0 -
They won't do that. They've been elected under s conservative banner and are basically bound to support a QS put forward by the Conservative party, unless they want to be deselected.dyedwoolie said:Just takes 5 Con MPs to refuse to back her QS and she's done.
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Going to sleep for a couple of hours!0
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I suggest you butt out. She asked for this, and the lemmings in the Conservative party went running over the edge of the precipice at her behest. It all looked so different a few weeks ago, didn't it?brokenwheel said:
I suggest you take a break, this is no one's fault but May's. Nobody asked for this.JosiasJessop said:
'Lose my house'Charles said:
Well I have a job with a salary that pays my mortgage. If I lose that then I could lose my house. And wouldn't be able to educate my daughter in the way we want. I reckon that counts as "suffering".JosiasJessop said:
Are you denying what I'm saying? Will you suffer in reality if it all goes tits-up?Charles said:
No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.Charles said:
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours
I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?
No. You are insulated, whatever 'society asks' .
And I already look at the pride of bread.
Now just fuck off, ok?
Which house is that?
'educate my daughter in the way we want.'
I daresay many people would want to educate her in that manner. Would you want to move to Wandsworth and send her to the local school?
You fuck off. You are privileged, and have lived a life of privilege. good on you. I actually quite like you, but your patrician bullshit grows weary. Try living a real life.0 -
In the Palace of Westminster area?Pong said:I expect there will be quite significant protests in London - later - if May attempts to cling on.
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Out of interest how old are you?The_Apocalypse said:
My generation would dislike any Conservative leader.Brom said:
I'm sure she will, she should wait for all the results though.The_Apocalypse said:Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.
May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.
Safe to say I didn't call those extra Labour votes last night! At least the Tory vote was where I expected. Quite an irony if the youth surge leads to Boris as PM, they would hate that.0 -
WhisperingOracle trivial prediction : Zack will be out again within six months.0
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Stop worrying. It would require them to take the oath of allegiance, which there are no circumstances in which they would do.WhisperingOracle said:I wonder about the unthinkable - Sinn Fein propping up a Corbyn government ?
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Nah - same as most people. The only difference is wanted our kid educated in the US system so free education isn't an optioneek said:
That sounds like someone who has overextended themselves....Charles said:
Well I have a job with a salary that pays my mortgage. If I lose that then I could lose my house. And wouldn't be able to educate my daughter in the way we want. I reckon that counts as "suffering".JosiasJessop said:
Are you denying what I'm saying? Will you suffer in reality if it all goes tits-up?Charles said:
No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.JosiasJessop said:
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.Charles said:
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.JosiasJessop said:Let Corbyn reign.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours
I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?
No. You are insulated, whatever 'society asks' .
And I already look at the pride of bread.
Now just fuck off, ok?0 -
Early twenties.freetochoose said:
Out of interest how old are you?The_Apocalypse said:
My generation would dislike any Conservative leader.Brom said:
I'm sure she will, she should wait for all the results though.The_Apocalypse said:Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.
May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.
Safe to say I didn't call those extra Labour votes last night! At least the Tory vote was where I expected. Quite an irony if the youth surge leads to Boris as PM, they would hate that.0 -
No Conservative MP is seriously going to risk putting Corbyn in power, even the chance to put forward a QS and run for a new electiondyedwoolie said:Just takes 5 Con MPs to refuse to back her QS and she's done.
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SNP dreaming about a 'progressive alliance'; Brillo (for him rather gently I thought) pointing out that the numbers aren't there...0
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Still wouldn't have the numbers. Con + DUP = 328.WhisperingOracle said:I wonder about the unthinkable - Sinn Fein propping up a Corbyn government ?
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Heh - I wan't personally worrying, as I'd prefer a Corbyn government to a May one on balance, but I definitely wouldn't be happy in the bizarre circumstance of them being in government.numbertwelve said:
Stop worrying. It would require them to take the oath of allegiance, which there are no circumstances in which they would do.WhisperingOracle said:I wonder about the unthinkable - Sinn Fein propping up a Corbyn government ?
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Good to see England getting a resounding 53-10 victory over Australia in the rugby.
Well done, ladies!0 -
+1The_Apocalypse said:Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.
May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.
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Thanks, and may I ask why you would dislike any conservative leader?The_Apocalypse said:
Early twenties.freetochoose said:
Out of interest how old are you?The_Apocalypse said:
My generation would dislike any Conservative leader.Brom said:
I'm sure she will, she should wait for all the results though.The_Apocalypse said:Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.
May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.
Safe to say I didn't call those extra Labour votes last night! At least the Tory vote was where I expected. Quite an irony if the youth surge leads to Boris as PM, they would hate that.
I'm not keen on May and disliked Cameron immensely but quite liked Major.0 -
Yes, the numbers and the oath problem seem to end that one for good.OblitusSumMe said:
Still wouldn't have the numbers. Con + DUP = 328.WhisperingOracle said:I wonder about the unthinkable - Sinn Fein propping up a Corbyn government ?
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Ouch. I'm about all square, saved by my rear guard action on Monday backing NOM and a few marginal Tory seats which switched.Pulpstar said:Worst bets: All the Tory overs & the ~ £700 I had on Vale of Clwyd and Gower to win ~ £150
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The keep calm and carry on brigade forget that Theresa May's biggest problem will be the 20 or so people sitting round the cabinet table who are damn sure they could do a better job than her.0
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Relying on Corbyn cocking it up? That's worked so far...alex. said:
Why is there any "urgency" to usher her out. The Conservatives have the numbers to pass a Queens speech. There is a five year parliament ahead. They can have a leadership contest in 2 years if they want. They've got boundary changes to come, and who knows if Corbyn will manage to blow up the Labour party again in the mean time.Nigelb said:
I doubt that.numbertwelve said:
Oh god, she's going the full Gordon Brown,old_labour said:BBC- TMay has no intention of resigning.
The men in grey suits will have called by the end of the day and prized her out by her fingernails.
Of course she has to go - but equally announcing a resignation this morning would be ridiculous. A government of some sort has to be formed, and that wouldn't be possible without a Conservative leader.
I do not like her at all, but one thing May unquestionable has is a sense of duty. She'll hang on until this dust settles.
And if she doesn't then go, she'll be ushered out very quickly.0 -
If Ruth Davidson decided to get married her "friends" in the DUP have ensured that it wound not be recognised in Northern Ireland.Deafbloke said:Ignore the siren voices. Keep calm, and carry on: Governing.
No need to resign. Do what you have to with the DUP. Get Brexit out the way, find a safe seat for Ruth, and hand over in time next election.0 -
Chill. Or you're going to get no enjoyment out of today.JosiasJessop said:
I suggest you butt out. She asked for this, and the lemmings in the Conservative party went running over the edge of the precipice at her behest. It all looked so different a few weeks ago, didn't it?
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Most of whom will have a better chance in a couple of years time.DecrepitJohnL said:The keep calm and carry on brigade forget that Theresa May's biggest problem will be the 20 or so people sitting round the cabinet table who are damn sure they could do a better job than her.
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