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Courteous of Amber Rudd to thank her Labour opponent - not a commonplac ein my experience.0
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Argyll and Bute SNP hold
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You come over as remarkably petulant.JosiasJessop said:One thing is for certain: this is a disastrous result for the hardcore Europhobes within the Conservative party.
Once more I need to educate them: eurosceptic != europhobe.0 -
I'm genuinely really pleased for her.PaulM said:Amber Rudd won by about 300
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The cry of victory - enough is enough!ThreeQuidder said:Sky: Con 315-321. Con+DUP enough.
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I don't think it would be voted down. Labour would believe they'd get the big win.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah.Casino_Royale said:I'll say it right now: if you thought May wasn't cut out to be PM, just wait until you see Boris.
Anyone but Boris. Hammond, Rudd, Hunt .. Ideally Davidson.
Or, and TSE might use the banhammer on me for saying this, but I'd support David Davis as temporary caretaker leader up until the conclusion of the A50 negotiations.
2 years. Further election.
But, there the FPTA still exists, it hasn't been repealed.
And they might.0 -
That has to be 20 seat swing with all this tight fptp system.AndyJS said:Con hold Sherwood by 331.
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Me too. Punched the air!numbertwelve said:0 -
Too small a majority? Too high profile in a bad campaign even though I can't fault her for any of it, she was great in the debate.The_Apocalypse said:Tories now need to opt for Rudd as their leader.
She will get a position under a new leader you would think.0 -
It's "shit" because it doesn't give you the result you personally want?TravelJunkie said:Another Tory holds on...this fptp is so shit. Would never get 50% of the vote.
Hmmmm0 -
Soft brexiteers of the world, unite!
Goodbye Farage brexit.0 -
No we need a populist to beat Corbyn's populism, I am backing Boris if he stands no question, Hammond, Rudd, Hunt, Davis none have the charisma the party needs and May sadly lacked. Boris would beat Corbyn, I am not certain about the others nowMortimer said:
Davis, bizarrely, might actually be the unity candidate now.Casino_Royale said:I'll say it right now: if you thought May wasn't cut out to be PM, just wait until you see Boris.
Anyone but Boris. Hammond, Rudd, Hunt .. Ideally Davidson.
Or, and TSE might use the banhammer on me for saying this, but I'd support David Davis as temporary caretaker leader up until the conclusion of the A50 negotiations.
2 years. Further election.
He is basically the only one of the old guard left....0 -
I go to sleep....addio0
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Amber Rudd might have done better to lose this time and look for a safe seat -- she can't be PM from a marginal like Hastings.old_labour said:Forever Amber!
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Boris is a tired looking spent force and a joke amongst those who used to think he was ok.0
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Not fair. May trashed her own reputation by calling an election she didn't need.Scott_P said:0 -
Better night in the end for the SNP than at one point - forecast was in the low 30s, and under 30 looked possibleOUT said:Argyll and Bute SNP hold
BBC now saying 316 Tories. So comfortably largest party but only one group willing to deal with them, so a tough period of minority.0 -
I think the Tories may have a chance in both Newcastle-under-Lyme and Stoke South. Nothing has been heard from either yet.0
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And have their leader on a tiny majority that will be targeted for a Portillo moment at the next election? Thanks but no thanks.The_Apocalypse said:Tories now need to opt for Rudd as their leader.
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All the best Lucian. Love your posts on here and it's a pleasure to see you back, even in circumstances that are hard for you. Come home to Yorkshire?Lucian_Fletcher said:
Yes. And the DUP will win North Down by a landslide when Lady Sylvia goes. Right I must go homePaulM said:
Am I right in thinking that other than North Down (which is a bit Home Counties) all the NI MPs are Shinners or DUP ?Lucian_Fletcher said:
I'm too tired and emotional (not a euphemism in this case) to think about it. Right now, I'm considering moving to Australia.MyBurningEars said:
Is the UUP long-term dead, at least in Westminster terms? Once the situation becomes polarised like that, it's very hard to stage a comeback because of the risk of "the other side" sneaking in.Lucian_Fletcher said:If Ruth Davidson isn't being urgently found a safe seat then something is wrong.
I'm just about avoiding blubbering. NI is totally polarised. The middle ground is a no man's land.
What do you think is the future for the more liberal brand of unionism in NI ? Is the best chance that the DUP becomes a bigger tent, with a more liberal wing? That at some point the DUP hits a scandal and the UUP resurrects itself? Can't see there being a new unionist party to replace the UUP, been some comedy value in previous attempts. Or can you not see a path at all?
We have a lot of thinking to do. I can't see a long term future for Unionism if it is dependent on the DUP entirely. They will never win over enough Catholic or non religious people to keep the Union safe. We are effectively admitting that the Union will survive until the current primary school kids can vote.
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IS that the second one Sky have reported wrongly?JamesM said:BBC just flashed Tewkesbury as Con hold...
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Funnily enough I couldn't sleep the other night and ended up at 2am watching the BBC's NI debate and thinking 'who the fcuk are all these people?'
Guess we're going to get a lot more familiar with the DUP....0 -
David held Morley though. Not May, David Herdson.GarethoftheVale2 said:Lab hold Wakefield :-(
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It's a system that doesn't reflect the will of the people. Tories rely on splittering of votes.GeoffM said:
It's "shit" because it doesn't give you the result you personally want?TravelJunkie said:Another Tory holds on...this fptp is so shit. Would never get 50% of the vote.
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How did we lose here in Enfield Southgate. Fucking mental. Tbh, David Burrowes is a dickbag.0
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The failure of the campaign isn't on her, I think many know that.jonny83 said:
Too small a majority? Too high profile in a bad campaign even though I can't fault her for any of it, she was great in the debate.The_Apocalypse said:Tories now need to opt for Rudd as their leader.
She will get a position under a new leader you would think.
Rudd is the only one who looks to be decent/competent out of all the options.0 -
TEWKESBURY IS CON HOLD0
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LD gain Ox West.0
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I should hope so too.oxfordsimon said:0 -
Rudd's seat is surely too marginal for her to become PM.0
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Oxwab gone Lib Dem. Majority is just drifting away.ThreeQuidder said:
IS that the second one Sky have reported wrongly?JamesM said:BBC just flashed Tewkesbury as Con hold...
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She miscalculated, held the election because she thought she would smash Corbyn, and now, possibly Jeremy is going to do to her what he did to Diane Abbott in that field 40 years ago.Scott_P said:@Bencjacobs: This feels a lot like the US in 2016. Any other Labour candidate but Corbyn would have beat May. Any Tory besides May would have beat Corbyn
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He did his best.camel said:Wakefield Lab Hold, sorry David Herdson but you can't polish a turd. And rolling a turd in glitter fools no-one.
Con get 45% +11%.
But not enough.
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20 SNP losses. Fantastic!0
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Stoke UKIPers will go home to Labour.AndyJS said:I think the Tories may have a chance in both Newcastle-under-Lyme and Stoke South. Nothing has been heard from either yet.
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OxWAb gone - amazing stuff!0
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No. Corbyn beat May. Any other Labour leader wouldn't have been able to fire up the young and disenfranchised and get out the vote.Scott_P said:@Bencjacobs: This feels a lot like the US in 2016. Any other Labour candidate but Corbyn would have beat May. Any Tory besides May would have beat Corbyn
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LD gain Oxford W!0
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Next PM. Softer Brexit.numbertwelve said:0 -
They could move her to a safe seat for the next GE.blueblue said:
And have their leader on a tiny majority that will be targeted for a Portillo moment at the next election? Thanks but no thanks.The_Apocalypse said:Tories now need to opt for Rudd as their leader.
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I tried that. Didn't workAndreaParma_82 said:I go to sleep....addio
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Is that Abingdon?tlg86 said:LD gain Ox West.
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CON 43 LAB 40 is an immense result for Corbyn considering the institutions arrayed against him. A repudiation of negative campaigning and of needlessly negative economic policies.0
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What an afternoon!0
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The nation's electorate has given the country a very sensible result, given the options.
A first small step back to sanity after the dreadful decision to Brexit.0 -
Right, unless they can be persuaded to change their policy. Anyone on the Labour side got any Sinn Fein contacts?numbertwelve said:Shinners don't take seats.
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After the dreadful labour leadership elections I would have to agree with you!TheValiant said:
No. Corbyn beat May. Any other Labour leader wouldn't have been able to fire up the young and disenfranchised and get out the vote.Scott_P said:@Bencjacobs: This feels a lot like the US in 2016. Any other Labour candidate but Corbyn would have beat May. Any Tory besides May would have beat Corbyn
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Yes.TravelJunkie said:
Is that Abingdon?tlg86 said:LD gain Ox West.
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Correction, it wasn't Sherwood which was by 5,198. Another seat was 331, not sure which.TravelJunkie said:
That has to be 20 seat swing with all this tight fptp system.AndyJS said:Con hold Sherwood by 331.
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Or PM from the Lords?The_Apocalypse said:
They could move her to a safe seat for the next GE.blueblue said:
And have their leader on a tiny majority that will be targeted for a Portillo moment at the next election? Thanks but no thanks.The_Apocalypse said:Tories now need to opt for Rudd as their leader.
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Stoke UKIPers will go home to Labour.AndyJS said:I think the Tories may have a chance in both Newcastle-under-Lyme and Stoke South. Nothing has been heard from either yet.
I agree re: NUL and Stoke S on the basis of the Stoke North resultKentRising said:
Stoke UKIPers will go home to Labour.AndyJS said:I think the Tories may have a chance in both Newcastle-under-Lyme and Stoke South. Nothing has been heard from either yet.
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Round 1: Tory +DUP government.
Round 2: Boris v. Amber.
And on that bombshell, good morning. I'm off to bed.0 -
No. There is no projecting going on.Casino_Royale said:
You are projecting your own views onto posters you politically disagree with, and doing so with personal digs, and a high degree of petulance.JosiasJessop said:
As I've insinuated tonight, is that really somewhere you want to go? Someone who retracted a job offer I'd never asked for? To your credit, you privately apologised profusely for that.Casino_Royale said:
Why are you being so rude to everyone tonight?JosiasJessop said:
All the Europhobes have done is make Corbyn a God.Danny565 said:Labour now officially exceeded their 2015 seats total.
Do you realise how you're coming across?
You need to consider the position of 'ordinary' people. You are too EU obsessed. Much more is in the purview of the UK's parliament than in the EU's, and 'ordinary' people realise that.
Hence this result. You should have listened.
But at least you can escape abroad. I cannot.
I think when you sober up (and have a rest) you will regret this.
I won't engage with it any longer.
I am a fiscally right-wing, socially centrist guy. Hence I am the sort of person who is open to Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem or (potentially) Green.
The Conservatives have, at the moment, lost me and many others. I fear when you open your mind (sober or not) from your EU-obsessed position you will regret this.
I voted Conservative at the 2015 GE. I voted LD this year.
I'm the sort of person you wanted, and you repelled. Perhaps you should ask yourself why.0 -
Straight talking honest Brexit. In jam jar glasses.chloe said:
Next PM. Softer Brexit.numbertwelve said:0 -
In Wakefield, Con put on 10.8% of the vote but Lab put on 9.4%, thanks to an increased turnout of 5%0
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47 to go, CON need 370
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Tory Parliamentary party includes Ken Clarke.0
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3% was the unfiltered raw poll lead if you see Huff post.0
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That's like the time Scotland beat Estonia 3-0. Solid result .......... but only because the Estonian team forgot to turn up.TheValiant said:
No. Corbyn beat May.
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LDs take OXWAB0
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Tories will end up with most votes and most seats.TheValiant said:
No. Corbyn beat May.Scott_P said:@Bencjacobs: This feels a lot like the US in 2016. Any other Labour candidate but Corbyn would have beat May. Any Tory besides May would have beat Corbyn
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Agree entirely, we have to play Corbyn at his own game, Boris it has to be. Davidson should stay in Scotland where she is clearly doing a fantastic job against the SNPblueblue said:
Agreed. Corbyn thinks he can use lies, bribes, and unicorns to charm a nation, but he's nothing compared to Boris. Time to fight populist fire with populist fire.HYUFD said:
The voters clearly want populism at the moment not making hard decisions on funding social care etc, so Boris it has to beAndyJS said:
What it means is that the next time a political party wants to do something like reform social care they probably won't tell the electorate about it anywhere near an election. Is that a good thing?MaxPB said:As a group of political anoraks, can anyone think of a worse political campaign than this Tory one?
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In retrospect maybeParistonda said:
The voters chose populism on 23rd June. Boris should've been chosen then.HYUFD said:
The voters clearly want populism at the moment not making hard decisions on funding social care etc, so Boris it has to beAndyJS said:
What it means is that the next time a political party wants to do something like reform social care they probably won't tell the electorate about it anywhere near an election. Is that a good thing?MaxPB said:As a group of political anoraks, can anyone think of a worse political campaign than this Tory one?
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Tories have done terribly in England.
If they govern a minority they're going to get crushed in 2022.0 -
Recount at Dudley North?0
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Con hold Loughborough0
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It was overturned on appeal and played in Monaco. Final score 0-0Andrew said:
That's like the time Scotland beat Estonia 3-0. Solid result .......... but only because the Estonian team forgot to turn up.TheValiant said:
No. Corbyn beat May.0 -
Totally off topic, but that decision was disgraceful. The original 3-0 result should have stood.OUT said:
It was overturned on appeal and played in Monaco. Final score 0-0Andrew said:
That's like the time Scotland beat Estonia 3-0. Solid result .......... but only because the Estonian team forgot to turn up.TheValiant said:
No. Corbyn beat May.0 -
LD gain Oxon West and Abingdon.0
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People complain the BBC is slow with results. Sky takes the American view that it is better to take a jump based on what activists at the count think has happened in order to be fastest with 600-odd results even if you have to apologise for a couple later on.ThreeQuidder said:
IS that the second one Sky have reported wrongly?JamesM said:BBC just flashed Tewkesbury as Con hold...
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LOL. Really?Sean_F said:
You come over as remarkably petulant.JosiasJessop said:One thing is for certain: this is a disastrous result for the hardcore Europhobes within the Conservative party.
Once more I need to educate them: eurosceptic != europhobe.
I'm neither bad-tempered or sulky. I'm LOLing at the Europhobes reaping what they have sowed.
I've been laughing throughout this evening, even if it may, in the long term, fuck me and my family up.
LOL at the mindless Europhobes.0 -
If Corbyn agreed to a GE this year when he looked like a turkey agreeing with Christmas I can't see him or his successor doing anything else in 2 years time. But yes, another bit of short sighted too clever by halfery from those foppish clowns which we could have done without.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah.Casino_Royale said:I'll say it right now: if you thought May wasn't cut out to be PM, just wait until you see Boris.
Anyone but Boris. Hammond, Rudd, Hunt .. Ideally Davidson.
Or, and TSE might use the banhammer on me for saying this, but I'd support David Davis as temporary caretaker leader up until the conclusion of the A50 negotiations.
2 years. Further election.
But, there the FPTA still exists, it hasn't been repealed.0 -
We'll see who is still leader of their party at the end of the month shall we?ThreeQuidder said:
Tories will end up with most votes and most seats.TheValiant said:
No. Corbyn beat May.Scott_P said:@Bencjacobs: This feels a lot like the US in 2016. Any other Labour candidate but Corbyn would have beat May. Any Tory besides May would have beat Corbyn
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Does John Bercow count as a Tory for this purpose?Jonathan said:Tory Parliamentary party includes Ken Clarke.
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Wrong, only Corbyn could ride the populist wave on anti austerity while his acceptance of Brexit and lack of association with Remain enabled him to win UKIP voters. Only Boris amongst Westminster Tories would have outperformed MayScott_P said:@Bencjacobs: This feels a lot like the US in 2016. Any other Labour candidate but Corbyn would have beat May. Any Tory besides May would have beat Corbyn
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A serious Parliamentarian and thrice-proven campaigner versus a deliberate buffoon? Corbyn wins that every single time.blueblue said:
Corbyn thinks he can use lies, bribes, and unicorns to charm a nation, but he's nothing compared to Boris. Time to fight populist fire with populist fire.0 -
You seem to have a psychological need to be wooed and feel wanted.JosiasJessop said:
No. There is no projecting going on.Casino_Royale said:
You are projecting your own views onto posters you politically disagree with, and doing so with personal digs, and a high degree of petulance.JosiasJessop said:
As I've insinuated tonight, is that really somewhere you want to go? Someone who retracted a job offer I'd never asked for? To your credit, you privately apologised profusely for that.Casino_Royale said:
Why are you being so rude to everyone tonight?JosiasJessop said:
All the Europhobes have done is make Corbyn a God.Danny565 said:Labour now officially exceeded their 2015 seats total.
Do you realise how you're coming across?
You need to consider the position of 'ordinary' people. You are too EU obsessed. Much more is in the purview of the UK's parliament than in the EU's, and 'ordinary' people realise that.
Hence this result. You should have listened.
But at least you can escape abroad. I cannot.
I think when you sober up (and have a rest) you will regret this.
I won't engage with it any longer.
I am a fiscally right-wing, socially centrist guy. Hence I am the sort of person who is open to Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem or (potentially) Green.
The Conservatives have, at the moment, lost me and many others. I fear when you open your mind (sober or not) from your EU-obsessed position you will regret this.
I voted Conservative at the 2015 GE. I voted LD this year.
I'm the sort of person you wanted, and you repelled. Perhaps you should ask yourself why.
Then you get frosty when people don't chase after you and tell you how much they love you.
There's almost certainly a technical name for that disorder.0 -
I didn't expect May to be quite this crap.kle4 said:
I'm still not sure how she got this far without being found out.0 -
It's been years since he's been a Tory for *any* purpose.NickPalmer said:
Does John Bercow count as a Tory for this purpose?Jonathan said:Tory Parliamentary party includes Ken Clarke.
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even if it may, in the long term, fuck me and my family up.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. Really?Sean_F said:
You come over as remarkably petulant.JosiasJessop said:One thing is for certain: this is a disastrous result for the hardcore Europhobes within the Conservative party.
Once more I need to educate them: eurosceptic != europhobe.
I'm neither bad-tempered or sulky. I'm LOLing at the Europhobes reaping what they have sowed.
I've been laughing throughout this evening, even if it may, in the long term, fuck me and my family up.
LOL at the mindless Europhobes.
lol
Im sort of wondering who's mindless0 -
Yvette cooper wow big vote0
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Oh, come on. Instead of mindlessly attacking me, attack my position.GeoffM said:
You seem to have a psychological need to be wooed and feel wanted.JosiasJessop said:
No. There is no projecting going on.Casino_Royale said:
You are projecting your own views onto posters you politically disagree with, and doing so with personal digs, and a high degree of petulance.JosiasJessop said:
As I've insinuated tonight, is that really somewhere you want to go? Someone who retracted a job offer I'd never asked for? To your credit, you privately apologised profusely for that.Casino_Royale said:
Why are you being so rude to everyone tonight?JosiasJessop said:
All the Europhobes have done is make Corbyn a God.Danny565 said:Labour now officially exceeded their 2015 seats total.
Do you realise how you're coming across?
You need to consider the position of 'ordinary' people. You are too EU obsessed. Much more is in the purview of the UK's parliament than in the EU's, and 'ordinary' people realise that.
Hence this result. You should have listened.
But at least you can escape abroad. I cannot.
I think when you sober up (and have a rest) you will regret this.
I won't engage with it any longer.
I am a fiscally right-wing, socially centrist guy. Hence I am the sort of person who is open to Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem or (potentially) Green.
The Conservatives have, at the moment, lost me and many others. I fear when you open your mind (sober or not) from your EU-obsessed position you will regret this.
I voted Conservative at the 2015 GE. I voted LD this year.
I'm the sort of person you wanted, and you repelled. Perhaps you should ask yourself why.
Then you get frosty when people don't chase after you and tell you how much they love you.
There's almost certainly a technical name for that disorder.
Which you cannot.
(BTW, as with Charles and Plato, it's a little shit to use an accusation of mental disorder against someone who you know has had a recent significant brainfart).0 -
Utterly inept campaign from May. New leader absolutely needs to negotiate a national government.0
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Fully costed, unlike May's blank manifesto. Plenty of wealth in this country. We can afford to pay our nurses and send our kids to university. We don't have to tax only income, you know.kle4 said:
Yes, but also an encouragement of fantasy spending.
Austerity is the ideological fantasy. One question for the PB Tories: how is it justifiable - during any period let alone a period of austerity - that earned income is taxed at 45% and unearned income at 20%?0 -
Stoke S gone Tory. Newcastle under Lyme will almost certainly follow!0
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Care to tell me your 'considered' position last year? The one where, as a true small-c 'conservative', you considered the consequences?Alanbrooke said:
even if it may, in the long term, fuck me and my family up.JosiasJessop said:
LOL. Really?Sean_F said:
You come over as remarkably petulant.JosiasJessop said:One thing is for certain: this is a disastrous result for the hardcore Europhobes within the Conservative party.
Once more I need to educate them: eurosceptic != europhobe.
I'm neither bad-tempered or sulky. I'm LOLing at the Europhobes reaping what they have sowed.
I've been laughing throughout this evening, even if it may, in the long term, fuck me and my family up.
LOL at the mindless Europhobes.
lol
Im sort of wondering who's mindless
I'm on a ride set on course by others. I'm a passenger, impotent to change the destination. And I cannot stop that destination if it is wrapped around a lamppost. In the meantime I'll enjoy the ride, as others have locked the doors and have control of the steering wheel and pedals.0 -
Newcastle upon Lyme has labour lead of 1. Lol0
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For this and only this.NickPalmer said:
Does John Bercow count as a Tory for this purpose?Jonathan said:Tory Parliamentary party includes Ken Clarke.
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I've been up too long to think about it, and I've only been a PB Tory for 20 hours. But the priorities were wrong for a start - tuition fees prioritised over youth service cuts reversed for instance.atia2 said:
Fully costed, unlike May's blank manifesto. Plenty of wealth in this country. We can afford to pay our nurses and send our kids to university. We don't have to tax only income, you know.kle4 said:
Yes, but also an encouragement of fantasy spending.
Austerity is the ideological fantasy. One question for the PB Tories: how is it justifiable - during any period let alone a period of austerity - that earned income is taxed at 45% and unearned income at 20%?0 -
SNP hold onto Fife NE by just 2 votes!!!0
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Firm majoritySunil_Prasannan said:SNP hold onto Fife NE by just 2 votes!!!
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Comrades gain Crewe by just 48 votes!0
