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I believe she is a Cameroon, well that is the impression I got. If she does want to move to Westminster it will be interesting to hear her policy stances.Danny565 said:
Not sure she is. As far as I can see, beyond being anti-independence, Davidson doesn't really seem to have any clear politics.The_Apocalypse said:
She's more to the right that Ruth is.MaxPB said:
Theresa May isn't right wing.The_Apocalypse said:It is one of the most moderate Conservatives - Ruth Davidson - that has saved the Tories tonight. The country has not swung as right, as some Conservatives imagined that it had.
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Where's the disaster? The Nats have been castrated, May's a goner and the Tory's have won.JosiasJessop said:When was the last self-inflicted disaster at this scale?
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Broadcasters will be able to keep them off the TV now.old_labour said:SKY- UKIP's current share is 1.9%
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LDs on 8% - to increase seats while the others increase in share is impressive, even if it is mostly down to Scotland.0
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Tories hold both Northampton constituencies.0
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(Whispers quietly to the righists in the Conservative party)The_Apocalypse said:
I'd disagree. Davidson is socially liberal, fiscally conservative. She's be on the left of the party, where Ken Clarke is.Danny565 said:
Not sure she is. As far as I can see, beyond being anti-independence, Davidson doesn't really seem to have any clear politics.The_Apocalypse said:
She's more to the right that Ruth is.MaxPB said:
Theresa May isn't right wing.The_Apocalypse said:It is one of the most moderate Conservatives - Ruth Davidson - that has saved the Tories tonight. The country has not swung as right, as some Conservatives imagined that it had.
That's where many people are. You cannot ignore them.0 -
How many more gains can Con make in Scotland?
And from Lab in Midlands/North?
Something from Ashfield, Debyershire NE, Stoke South, Wakefield, Halifax, Barrow. Anything else not yet declared?
But they could still lose something in London...given Harrow West result, Harrow East is at risk. Enfield Southgate could be in danger too0 -
No-one apart from anti-Tories mentioned fox hunting.TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test
Your mates Dave and George put exactly the same pledge in the GE2015 manifesto, and even tried to call a free vote on it (before the SNP stopped them)
It didn't stop them winning a majority.0 -
If Ruth Davidson isn't being urgently found a safe seat then something is wrong.
I'm just about avoiding blubbering. NI is totally polarised. The middle ground is a no man's land.0 -
Survation closest0
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Labour on 40%0
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Lab close to 2001 levels, tremendous result. Tories still marginally more popular though.0
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Labour just held Halifax with a 11% majority0
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Oh bloody hell it's daylight now.0
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Surprised, given the controversy in one of them.AndyJS said:Tories hold both Northampton constituencies.
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Con hold Wells.0
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Argyll & Bute, Banff & Buchan and D&G. DCT wink also stay blue.AndreaParma_82 said:How many more gains can Con make in Scotland?
And from Lab in Midlands/North?
Something from Ashfield, Debyershire NE, Stoke South, Wakefield, Halifax. Anything else not yet declared?
But they could still lose something in London...given Harrow West result, Harrow East is at risk. Enfield Southgate could be in danger too0 -
Soubury looks happy, very critical of the tory campaign though.0
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But Dave didn't announce it in the middle of the campaign.Casino_Royale said:
No-one apart from anti-Tories mentioned fox hunting.TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test
Your mates Dave and George put exactly the same pledge in the GE2015 manifesto, and even tried to call a free vote on it (before the SNP stopped them)
It didn't stop them winning a majority.0 -
Tories still on course for most votes in an election ever?kle4 said:Lab close to 2001 levels, tremendous result. Tories still marginally more popular though.
43% beyond the wildest dreams of 2010 and 2015.0 -
Anna soubry a arrogance is a disgrace. How can anyone fucking vote for her
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Socially liberal and fiscally conservative. The right kind of Tory.jonny83 said:
I believe she is a Cameroon, well that is the impression I got. If she does want to move to Westminster it will be interesting to hear her policy stances.Danny565 said:
Not sure she is. As far as I can see, beyond being anti-independence, Davidson doesn't really seem to have any clear politics.The_Apocalypse said:
She's more to the right that Ruth is.MaxPB said:
Theresa May isn't right wing.The_Apocalypse said:It is one of the most moderate Conservatives - Ruth Davidson - that has saved the Tories tonight. The country has not swung as right, as some Conservatives imagined that it had.
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@PaulBrandITV: BREAKING: Anna Soubry says "we ran a pretty dreadful campaign and that's me being generous". #GE2017
Leadership bid?0 -
Wow Soubry pretty scathing about the campaign0
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Banff & Buchan gone SCon on ITV.-1
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Why are you being so rude to everyone tonight?JosiasJessop said:
All the Europhobes have done is make Corbyn a God.Danny565 said:Labour now officially exceeded their 2015 seats total.
Do you realise how you're coming across?0 -
Labour win Enfield Southgate.0
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Casino, people really don't like fox hunting. Aaron had alot of emails about it - you can't win a majority just with shire Tories.Casino_Royale said:
No-one apart from anti-Tories mentioned fox hunting.TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test
Your mates Dave and George put exactly the same pledge in the GE2015 manifesto, and even tried to call a free vote on it (before the SNP stopped them)
It didn't stop them winning a majority.0 -
4) ducking the head to head debate. People did not like it.TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test0 -
Yep, my politics is not far from that. While I wouldn't say I'm totally fiscally conservative, at my core I'm socially liberal.JosiasJessop said:
(Whispers quietly to the righists in the Conservative party)The_Apocalypse said:
I'd disagree. Davidson is socially liberal, fiscally conservative. She's be on the left of the party, where Ken Clarke is.Danny565 said:
Not sure she is. As far as I can see, beyond being anti-independence, Davidson doesn't really seem to have any clear politics.The_Apocalypse said:
She's more to the right that Ruth is.MaxPB said:
Theresa May isn't right wing.The_Apocalypse said:It is one of the most moderate Conservatives - Ruth Davidson - that has saved the Tories tonight. The country has not swung as right, as some Conservatives imagined that it had.
That's where many people are. You cannot ignore them.0 -
Turnout up in Remain areas, down in Leave areas0
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Plus Osborne failing to balance the books by 2015, which enabled Corbyn to run on an anti austerity ticket and even win over some socially conservative UKIP voters on that ticket, plus I grant you more tax cuts needed which is what Osborne did get rightTheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test0 -
Con Hold Wells, one of my SW portfolio.0
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Anna Soubry wants May out.0
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Con down 11 seats net.
3 possible gains still to come in Scotland.0 -
Ha, unlikely. The party have been kicked, but not upended, they did increase their share after all, they just did badly against their opponent.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: BREAKING: Anna Soubry says "we ran a pretty dreadful campaign and that's me being generous". #GE2017
Leadership bid?0 -
Oh, yes please. £90 on that would wipe out all my losses.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Thank fuck, Johnny Mercer holds on0
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Why? The Greens still seem to appear completely disproportionately to vote share or seats held.williamglenn said:
Broadcasters will be able to keep them off the TV now.old_labour said:SKY- UKIP's current share is 1.9%
Although you are right and they will. Exactly like getting a thread header slot on PB ... if your face doesn't fit the quality of your message doesn't matter.0 -
There is a god!TheScreamingEagles said:Thank fuck, Johnny Mercer holds on
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One bright spot for the Cons is they have seen massively increased majorities in some of the Brexit-voting ex-LD constituencies:
Thornbury - 12k
Torbay - 14k
Yeovil - 15k0 -
Gotta get a couple of hours sleep. Thanks for your company everybody.
Nite/morning all.0 -
What's Soubry said ?TravelJunkie said:Anna soubry a arrogance is a disgrace. How can anyone fucking vote for her
Traitors in broxtowe
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Yeah because Ed Miliband didn't run on an anti austerity ticket in 2015.HYUFD said:
Plus Osborne failing to balance the books by 2015, which enabled Corbyn to run on an anti austerity ticketTheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test0 -
You'd hope so. We've seen tonight and in 2015 that the Conservative Party can win seats in Scotland and Wales.RobinWiggs said:Presumably the boundary review is dead? Again.
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That was implicit in 3)DavidL said:
4) ducking the head to head debate. People did not like it.TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test0 -
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prediction back down to 3160
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Would they have been elected in 2015 if they had stuck to their 2010 plans? I'd like to have found out, but there was a reason they slowed, and part of that was they couldn't get their own people to back anything harder.HYUFD said:
Plus Osborne failing to balance the books by 2015, which enabled Corbyn to run on an anti austerity ticketTheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test0 -
5) relentless negative campaigning and hyperbolic attacks on CorbynDavidL said:
4) ducking the head to head debate. People did not like it.TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test
6) vacating the field for two weeks and assuming labour would suffer from all the publicity
7) calling an election to ask a question about style not substance. Which the public didn't want to answer.
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And there is still Dumfries. What an incredible night for the Scottish tories.0
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@SebastianEPayne: Anna Soubry goes over the top, and says Theresa May should “consider her position…it’s been a dreadful night" #GE20170
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People are not binary; on and off. You need to appeal to the greyscales.The_Apocalypse said:
Yep, my politics is not far from that. While I wouldn't say I'm totally fiscally conservative, at my core I'm socially liberal.JosiasJessop said:
(Whispers quietly to the righists in the Conservative party)The_Apocalypse said:
I'd disagree. Davidson is socially liberal, fiscally conservative. She's be on the left of the party, where Ken Clarke is.Danny565 said:
Not sure she is. As far as I can see, beyond being anti-independence, Davidson doesn't really seem to have any clear politics.The_Apocalypse said:
She's more to the right that Ruth is.MaxPB said:
Theresa May isn't right wing.The_Apocalypse said:It is one of the most moderate Conservatives - Ruth Davidson - that has saved the Tories tonight. The country has not swung as right, as some Conservatives imagined that it had.
That's where many people are. You cannot ignore them.
Hard Europhobes are blind to this.0 -
Does the convention that the Lords cannot block manifesto items apply when it is a minority government with supply and confidence support?0
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Unlikely, but she's going to back someone else tomorrow morning.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: BREAKING: Anna Soubry says "we ran a pretty dreadful campaign and that's me being generous". #GE2017
Leadership bid?0 -
Not exactly a surprise.KentRising said:Anna Soubry wants May out.
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@BBCPhilipSim: Banff and Buchan is a Conservative GAIN from the SNP. They've overturned a 31.4% SNP majority from 2015.0
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Much derided, but almost bang on. We'll be taking them far more seriously next time!Scott_P said:0 -
I love Anna Soubry. One of my favourite Tories.0
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Gobby living up to her name on the BBC. Ugh. Time for bed!0
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Labour hold Barrow.0
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Scott_P said:
@BBCPhilipSim: Banff and Buchan is a Conservative GAIN from the SNP. They've overturned a 31.4% SNP majority from 2015.
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CON GAIN BANFF AND BUCHAN0
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I guess Brighton Kemptown could go Labour given other results0
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Chloe Smith held Norwich North by 507 votes.0
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Soubry saying a lot of good one nation conservatives lost seats tonight because of this dreadful campaign.
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Just stating the obvious and right now there’s a queue forming to replace May.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: BREAKING: Anna Soubry says "we ran a pretty dreadful campaign and that's me being generous". #GE2017
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That's surely the great thing about our constitution: it's made up as we go along?Rexel56 said:Does the convention that the Lords cannot block manifesto items apply when it is a minority government with supply and confidence support?
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That's where MOST people are. As Meeks said before both Elizabeth I and Thatcher, May tried to be like Merkel's christian democrats but that is not Britain.JosiasJessop said:
(Whispers quietly to the righists in the Conservative party)The_Apocalypse said:
I'd disagree. Davidson is socially liberal, fiscally conservative. She's be on the left of the party, where Ken Clarke is.Danny565 said:
Not sure she is. As far as I can see, beyond being anti-independence, Davidson doesn't really seem to have any clear politics.The_Apocalypse said:
She's more to the right that Ruth is.MaxPB said:
Theresa May isn't right wing.The_Apocalypse said:It is one of the most moderate Conservatives - Ruth Davidson - that has saved the Tories tonight. The country has not swung as right, as some Conservatives imagined that it had.
That's where many people are. You cannot ignore them.0 -
cerediigion update
1st count plaid lead 150
2nd count plaid lead 100
some plaidn and lib votes found in labour and con bundles.
so a 3rd count will start - take an hour0 -
6) is I would say the most critical failing. I assumed a Labour bump in the campaign, albeit not so dramatic, but it was the height of complacency to assume that the more people say of Corbyn the more they would dislike him. One of the problems with Corbyn is he is superficially attractive.IanB2 said:
5) relentless negative campaigning and hyperbolic attacks on CorbynDavidL said:
4) ducking the head to head debate. People did not like it.TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test
6) vacating the field for two weeks and assuming labour would suffer from all the publicity0 -
They all want May out -- probably including Theresa May whose heart can no longer be in it.KentRising said:Anna Soubry wants May out.
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Me too.Peter_the_Punter said:Gotta get a couple of hours sleep. Thanks for your company everybody.
Nite/morning all.
I think we might be doing all this again within a year.
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Neither did May. Someone asked her a question if the previous leader's policy still stood.TheScreamingEagles said:
But Dave didn't announce it in the middle of the campaign.Casino_Royale said:
No-one apart from anti-Tories mentioned fox hunting.TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory fuck ups
1) May backing Fox hunting
2) Dementia tax and pretending you hadn't u-turned
3) Theresa May failing the Turing Test
Your mates Dave and George put exactly the same pledge in the GE2015 manifesto, and even tried to call a free vote on it (before the SNP stopped them)
It didn't stop them winning a majority.0 -
That's not over the top.Scott_P said:@SebastianEPayne: Anna Soubry goes over the top, and says Theresa May should “consider her position…it’s been a dreadful night" #GE2017
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Surprised to see Soubry out of her coffin now that it's daylight, she looks dreadful.0
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I wonder if they might start again. 640 seats cutting the over-representation of Wales (which has been bad for the Cons this time around)DecrepitJohnL said:
You'd hope so. We've seen tonight and in 2015 that the Conservative Party can win seats in Scotland and Wales.RobinWiggs said:Presumably the boundary review is dead? Again.
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20% swing in B&B. Wow.0
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I think they all want May out.KentRising said:Anna Soubry wants May out.
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Yes but he got just 29% in 2010, May got 44% tonight in 2007 Brown would have done betternot_on_fire said:As someone said earlier tonight, Gordon Brown is now vindicated for not calling an election in 2007
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Yeah, you could see it when she gave her speech.DecrepitJohnL said:
They all want May out -- probably including Theresa May whose heart can no longer be in it.KentRising said:Anna Soubry wants May out.
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Anna Soubry vindicated.0
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Wait for the UKIPpers-hiding-as-conservatives to squeal.jonny83 said:Soubry saying a lot of good one nation conservatives lost seats tonight because of this dreadful campaign.
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20% swing in Banff & Buchan. Amazing.0
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Labour hold Halifax where TMay launched her election campaign. Was expected to be a Tory gain.0
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She's effectively calling on May to go ("consider her position"). There is some personal background there relating to the reshuffle when AS left government.SimonStClare said:
Just stating the obvious and right now there’s a queue forming to replace May.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: BREAKING: Anna Soubry says "we ran a pretty dreadful campaign and that's me being generous". #GE2017
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Oh Scotland, have I ever told you how much I love thee?dmc82 said:CON GAIN BANFF AND BUCHAN
Seriously, separate the England clusterfuck a minute, just look at those Tory gains in Scotland.0 -
Weapons tight! Fox two!Scott_P said:@SebastianEPayne: Anna Soubry goes over the top, and says Theresa May should “consider her position…it’s been a dreadful night" #GE2017
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