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  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    alex. said:

    All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?

    It means Brexit kicked into the long grass.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Ruth Davidson for PM.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Stereotomy said:

    I've got to say, I'd feel a bit worse if pb tories hadn't been so unbearably smug up until today.

    Half of them have been bedwetting the entire time!

  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    46% of Labour voters think they would make a good government. Less than half. And they have picked up seats?
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    Who'd be Michael Fallon right now?

    Or indeed at any time...
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,317
    Got to say. Well done JC! I never fell for him, but millions have.
  • HaroldO
    HaroldO Posts: 1,185
    MikeL said:

    MPs won't go for Leadsom.

    Needs big personality - Boris most likely for me.

    Boris or Rudd from recent exposure, both are better than May now the stank of Brexit is off the former.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Please not Boris Johnson.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    RobD said:

    So next Con leader will also have a lack of mandate? :D

    Election in three months! Keep the triple lock, £50bn for the NHS! No tax rises!
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,728
    isam said:

    GOOD MORNING VENEZUELA!

    In my case goooood morning Canada.....
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    Chameleon said:

    Unfortunately the LD total going up means that Tim won't go.

    The LDs have said he might be in trouble. It would be amusing if the LDs gained seats, but lost Farron.

  • waitingfortonight
    waitingfortonight Posts: 54
    I think Gary Lineker is much worse than Lily Allen
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,356
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/872926808492191745

    Top trolling.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    I have a horrible feeling the final result will be worse than this for May and the Tories.
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    brokenwheel said:

    jonny83 said:

    Robert Hutton‏Verified account @RobDotHutton 2m2 minutes ago

    Might the exit poll be wrong? Absolutely, and one way in which it might be is postal ballots.

    My thoughts.

    I hope.
    But peak postal ballot coincided with peak dementia tax.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    DavidL said:

    46% of Labour voters think they would make a good government. Less than half. And they have picked up seats?

    Many many seats.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Chris said:

    If this exit poll is right, then it is difficult to see how the Tories can govern on the basis of hard Brexit. So will political expediency prevail, and will the Tories ditch May in favour of someone with a more pragmatic approach? If so, who?

    Soft Brexit now. And May will be gone as soon as politically possible.
    Quite possibly right on both, possibly PM Hammond with LD support he would have a majority but would inevitably be a UKIP surge too and that could put Corbyn in No 10 next time. Politically may be more sensible for the Tories to go into opposition if this exit poll is right, put Boris in as opposition leader on a hard Brexit platform and let Corbyn deal with the EU and agree concessions on immigration, 100 billion euros etc
    You've got to be joking if you think that would be a winner. Brexit is dead in the water.
    On what grounds? 17 million voted for Brexit and even if some did switch to Corbyn tonight they were certainly not doing it to stop Brexit but to reduce inequality, tax the rich more, reverse austerity etc. If a coalition did actually completely reverse Brexit UKIP could even do an SNP 2015 next time. Brexit has to happen, even if it is now only soft Brexit
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    If it's wrong then it's probably only going to be wrong in the sense that they only just have a majority, probably less than with they started with before the election.

    That's not good.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    "Ginger, get the popcorn!"
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Let's not forget that the exit polls in the US were anti-Trump? The reason? People lied to the pollsters.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    MikeL said:

    MPs won't go for Leadsom.

    Needs big personality - Boris most likely for me.

    FFS not Boris....
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,728
    AndyJS said:

    BBC: senior Labour figure doesn't think the figures are believable.

    Perhaps they think they have done even better...
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Hendon goes Labour. Really?
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    rcs1000 said:

    Chameleon said:

    Unfortunately the LD total going up means that Tim won't go.

    The LDs have said he might be in trouble. It would be amusing if the LDs gained seats, but lost Farron.

    Amusing, or good for the future of the country? I'll go with both.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    https://twitter.com/SirDavidButler/status/872929119255875584
  • Paristonda
    Paristonda Posts: 1,844
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    alex. said:

    All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?

    Remain in the single market and customs union
    Yup, EEA / EFTA - Norway model and we keep free movement.
  • WhisperingOracle
    WhisperingOracle Posts: 10,470
    AndyJS said:

    BBC: senior Labour figure doesn't think the figures are believable.

    Curious, reminds me of the first couple of hours of denial, from both parties, exactly, the last time we were doing all this .
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Finchley and Golders Green!
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905
    Worcester!
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Broxtowe = Lab gain with exit poll.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Enfield Southgate? I doubt that very much.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Exit: Con HOLD Twickenham.
  • JonathanD
    JonathanD Posts: 2,400
    edited June 2017
    midwinter said:

    JonathanD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    What an unmitigated disaster. The country has gone utterly insane.

    It went insane last June. Tory Brexiteers indulged themselves ahead of the country and are now paying the price.
    Less than a year after winning a majority. Tossers never learn.
    Quite, they screwed over the party in the 90s and caused 13 years of Labour, now they've done the same again.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    FrankBooth said:

    Let's not forget that the exit polls in the US were anti-Trump? The reason? People lied to the pollsters.

    I think the exit poll is also done by a secret ballot.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    kle4 said:

    It was peculiar - so many of us were so certain that meant no early election would happen. The Tories didn't seem prepared, it really seems like they saw the big poll leads and just went for it. The fools.

    There's nothing wrong with making use of an opportunity, providing you have done the preparation. That was the mistake, not calling an election.
  • HaroldO
    HaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Scott_P said:

    @holyroodmandy: Quick by-election & @RuthDavidsonMSP becomes an MSP, an MP and PM while @IainMcGill is an MP, MSP & MEP #exitpoll #GE17

    Davidson would murder Corbyn, and she has little baggage as she hasn't been in Westminster.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    So, Messina and Crosby, eh? They just heard what they wanted to hear and focused on no hoper seats.

    Commiserations to TP.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    numbertwelve said:

    I feel quite sanguine, bizarrely.

    Changes the narrative to what sort of Brexit we want. So long as we're looking at no progressive alliance (please god no) maybe everyone can come together and try and step back from the extreme.

    They should dump May though. Proven to be useless.

    Do you expect the SNP to want any sort of Brexit aside from none?
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    I'm calling bullshit.

    Finchley? Do me a flavour...
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Casino_Royale said:

    Ruth Davidson for PM.

    Yep,only one who i can see of saving the Tories,she needs a seat.
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905
    Haha, Southam, warwick!
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    tlg86 said:

    Hendon goes Labour. Really?

    Can you see where the exit poll maps out to ?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/872927950202695680
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Exit:

    No Con losses to LD.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Thanet South still showing Blue.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    So we think Skinner is safe in Bolsover?

    *hollow laugh*
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Chipping Barnet?!? Hmm, I wonder which seats they polled in London.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/872927950202695680

    Silver linings! :)
  • Reprobatus
    Reprobatus Posts: 27
    Labour predicted to take Broxtowe!
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Okay, now I am a bit sceptical. Does this mean the SNP have lost to the Tories and Lib Dems?
  • Andrew
    Andrew Posts: 2,900
    Be kinda funny if the Tories end up on exactly 331 again.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    MikeL said:

    Exit: Con HOLD Twickenham.

    Where is the exit poll data
  • Blue_rog
    Blue_rog Posts: 2,019
    All hail the socialists people republic of the disunited kingdom
  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    Labour won't win High Peak or Thurrock surely
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Finchley and Golders Green to go Labour.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    KentRising said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    KentRising said:

    She should never have called it. It was not needed.

    Some of us have been saying that for weeks.
    I said it the day it was called.

    Also predicted a couple of weeks ago the same-sized majority in 2017 as in 2015. Could still be on for that.
    In which case you are truly a wise sage, sir!
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Labour forecast to gain Chipping Barnet.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    Have to say some of these projected Labour gains look VERY unlikely.....
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    tlg86 said:

    Okay, now I am a bit sceptical. Does this mean the SNP have lost to the Tories and Lib Dems?

    yes
  • Dadge
    Dadge Posts: 2,052
    I put some money on Amber Rudd for next Tory leader and she might not even be an MP. It'd be ironic if she was saved by the few people who voted for Nicholas Wilson.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/872927950202695680

    That would almost redeem the night.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    Paristonda said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    alex. said:

    All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?

    Remain in the single market and customs union
    Yup, EEA / EFTA - Norway model and we keep free movement.
    To get from here to there would be an utterly pointless diminution of the UK.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @simon_telegraph: Scottish Tory sources are urging caution over the exit poll - say they cannot see where the SNP loses 22 seats #GE2017
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Exit:

    Con GAIN all 4 Lab seats in NE Wales
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    BBC says Labour would gain Warwick and Leamington, Enfield Southgate etc looks like Tory Remain marginals going Labour. Tories gain Wrexham, Clwyd South, Delyn, Tories doing better in Wales and Scotland than England
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    If May falls on her sword tomorrow, and Hammond takes over, at least I'll make a grand.
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,317
    waitingfortonight said:

    I think Gary Lineker is much worse than Lily Allen

    Not if you're playing one up front.
  • camel
    camel Posts: 815
    So Theresa cocks up and simultaneously saves the Union?
  • Chris
    Chris Posts: 12,059
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    alex. said:

    All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?

    EEA/EFTA.
    Plus leaving free movement unchecked + 100 billion euros to EU to stay in single market, Hammond could do it with LD backing but Farage would not believe his luck and would swiftly take back the leadership from Nuttall
    Con+SNP would give a more workable majority than Con+LD.
  • KentRising
    KentRising Posts: 2,926
    DavidL said:

    46% of Labour voters think they would make a good government. Less than half. And they have picked up seats?

    Plenty of people - myself included - voted Brexit even though they knew it would damage the economy.

    Maybe people have thought 'these guys aren't great but the status quo is cnutish - roll the dice'?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    MaxPB said:

    Enfield Southgate? I doubt that very much.

    I don't
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    brokenwheel said:

    jonny83 said:

    Robert Hutton‏Verified account @RobDotHutton 2m2 minutes ago

    Might the exit poll be wrong? Absolutely, and one way in which it might be is postal ballots.

    My thoughts.

    I hope.
    Do you really think John Curtice's team didn't take account of postal votes in their projection)
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    I'm not sure about these target changes on the BBC.... but they could be right....
  • ThomasNashe
    ThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    TOPPING said:

    atia2 said:

    Delurking to ask how the PB Tories imagined that a campaign this vacuous and this inept would have no electoral consequences? If that were true, we might as well do away with election campaigns altogether.

    I think it was Tory Remainers in the Remain cities that will have been a big factor. People could live with a new policy on social care.
    Yes, she made absolutely no attempt to reach out to remainers. Looks like it might have cost her her job - and rightly so.
  • Reprobatus
    Reprobatus Posts: 27
    Artist said:

    Labour won't win High Peak or Thurrock surely

    I really cannot see Labour winning High Peak.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Monksfield said:

    Haha, Southam, warwick!

    I did share that email I got last night from the candidate which talked about being on the verge of a sensational result. Still don't believe it, though.

  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    So we have won Newport E and lost Reading W

    LOL
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    kle4 said:

    So, Messina and Crosby, eh? They just heard what they wanted to hear and focused on no hoper seats.

    Commiserations to TP.

    From what I've read Crosby didn't want that social care policy in the manifesto. I bet you that is what has caused this.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Can't believe this: Tories gaining Clwyd South, Alyn&Deeside, Delyn at the same time as losing Chipping Barnet and Reading West.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    BBC forecast Tories gain Moray
  • RobinWiggs
    RobinWiggs Posts: 621
    Exit - Alyn & Deeside, Wrexham and Clwyd South gains by Con. Chester held by Lab.

    Wow - some amazing results.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    Broxtowe going Labour they say
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Well I'm glad I took out my insurance.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Tiny Labour majority not switching Blue.

    England has let the Tories down.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Chris said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    alex. said:

    All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?

    EEA/EFTA.
    Plus leaving free movement unchecked + 100 billion euros to EU to stay in single market, Hammond could do it with LD backing but Farage would not believe his luck and would swiftly take back the leadership from Nuttall
    Con+SNP would give a more workable majority than Con+LD.
    The Tories would rather do a deal with Labour than the SNP, I certainly would
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    MarqueeMark said:

    Have to say some of these projected Labour gains look VERY unlikely.....

    Where is the projection
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    MikeL said:

    Exit:

    No Con losses to LD.

    Wow. So that means the LDs must be predicted to get almost all their Scottish seats back. Extraordinary.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Tories will win a majority. But this is shocking for May.
  • ab195
    ab195 Posts: 477
    edited June 2017
    The only hope for the Tories has to be that people have voted in such a different way to last time that the exit poll can't detect it. Slim though.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    dixiedean said:

    waitingfortonight said:

    I think Gary Lineker is much worse than Lily Allen

    Not if you're playing one up front.
    LOL
  • pbr2013
    pbr2013 Posts: 649
    I think that the exit poll is incorrect.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Enfield Southgate? I doubt that very much.

    I don't
    The only reason I say that is because the Labour council pushed a lot of locally unpopular policies, even though David Burrowes is a dick head, he should win.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Roger said:

    alex. said:

    All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?

    It means Brexit kicked into the long grass.
    That's crazy. We had a referendum won by Leave. We have a general election in which both major parties are committed to respecting the referendum result. And then having got the vast majority of seats they conspire to stop it????

    Remainers (of which I was one) never seem to think things through.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Finchley & Golders Green is not going Lab, this exit poll is partially bollocks. Reading West also seems very unlikely.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Roger said:

    Broxtowe going Labour they say

    I got that at 14/1 !

    Kippers not backing Soubry.

  • Y0kel
    Y0kel Posts: 2,307
    I got a text from a guy, he is former Ulster Unionist councillor and party wonk.

    'Do you know what kind of biscuits Theresa May likes?'
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    edited June 2017
    https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/872928508556845056


    This is a good thread
  • Andrew
    Andrew Posts: 2,900
    Huhh?

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/872930308043231234
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    jonny83 said:

    kle4 said:

    So, Messina and Crosby, eh? They just heard what they wanted to hear and focused on no hoper seats.

    Commiserations to TP.

    From what I've read Crosby didn't want that social care policy in the manifesto. I bet you that is what has caused this.
    Messina did indeed say there would be a lot of undecideds
  • Fishing
    Fishing Posts: 5,711
    SouthamObserver said:

    Tories will win a majority. But this is shocking for May.

    ... and triumphant for Corbyn ...
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