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Thank youwilliamglenn said:
The inauguration is the following weekend.Big_G_NorthWales said:Re France - is tomorrrow Hollande's last day or is there a transistional period
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--under or overstatement and of whom?FrancisUrquhart said:I can feel another polling disaster inquiry coming on...
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The 5/1 long shot - got 25p on with Betfair - Tories now 1/10 !
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Derek Hatton For PMbigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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Perhaps the Fab Four said it all:JackW said:
"You'll Never Walk Alone ....bigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
Into The Electoral Abyss
You'll Take Dozens Of Labour MP With You ...."
"He's a real nowhere man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
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Labour - only winning in cities being with with the letter L.0
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The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.0 -
Degsy's an Evertonian I think you'll find!JackW said:
Derek Hatton For PMbigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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Vote Lilo Lil - She Is A Tartbigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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They wont be under Corbyn when all their footballers leave due to punitive wealth taxesFrancisUrquhart said:Labour - only winning in cities being with with the letter L.
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"You'll Never Vote Alone"JackW said:
"You'll Never Walk Alone ....bigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
Into The Electoral Abyss
You'll Take Dozens Of Labour MP With You ...."0 -
Hey, RobD! Don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate PB Tories will protect you!RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
Aliens on Film4 right now
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Dianne Abbott For IMF Managerbigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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With his nonsense maximum wage there won't be any professional football.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They wont be under Corbyn when all their footballers leave due to punitive wealth taxesFrancisUrquhart said:Labour - only winning in cities being with with the letter L.
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I've always said I thought the Thanet charges may well need an airing in court. But much of the rest - the "battlebus" stuff - is likely to prove a politically motivated waste of police time.RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.0 -
This is the banner:
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The Proddy Vicar from Bread should become the Tory MP for Clacton next month.JackW said:
Vote Lilo Lil - She Is A Tartbigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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Bless you.nunu said:0 -
The scene where Ripley is desperately trying to turn off the self destruct... somewhat analogous to the position moderate Lab MPs are in now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hey, RobD! Don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate PB Tories will protect you!RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
Aliens on Film4 right now0 -
No it doesn't. If a high number are prosecuted, then even if pretty marginal matters I can see the Tories taking a slight hit, but momentum is high (jury is still out on whether Momentum is high, however) and there'd have to be several egregious breaches to really derail things I think. If there's a handful of serious cases, that could lead to a bump in the road, but i have doubts it would be sustained (though it could be close to election day). If there's only 1 or two charges, though serious, it'll be shrugged off.RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
I'm a firm believer in punishing for procedural type errors - you should not have any problem following the rules - and for some who are looking for reasons to not trust the Tories even a small breach will offput them, but unless there are either lots of charges and/or very serious ones, I don't think it will connect with the public as much as some hope.0 -
Hope the TV promote it - another own goal (if you excuse the pun)Gallowgate said:This is the banner:
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IMF? She'd be rejected by MFI.JackW said:
Dianne Abbott For IMF Managerbigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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All the Chinese tourists on the Kop are probably used to seeing things like that.Gallowgate said:This is the banner:
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Clearly photoshopped. Kelso - sunny?calum said:The 5/1 long shot - got 25p on with Betfair - Tories now 1/10 !
https://twitter.com/CalumKerrSNP/status/8609437359574630410 -
Dreadful - maybe anyone over 60 should just be put to sleep.justin124 said:
So Labour is going to be defeated by the senile and infirm?!!surbiton said:In the Opinium tables, VI all 10, if we add up the numbers voting 18-34, 35-44, 45-54,
we get, C 259, Lab 269.
However, Labour are massacred thereafter. 55+ C 315, Lab 99.
The subsets are hilarious. Wales Con 29, Lab 14, PC 4. In fact, Con 29 out of 62.
At this rate, they will win every seat in Wales!0 -
The procedural errors were covered by the Commission fine. They are now investigating criminal intent.kle4 said:
No it doesn't. If a high number are prosecuted, then even if pretty marginal matters I can see the Tories taking a slight hit, but momentum is high (jury is still out on whether Momentum is high, however) and there'd have to be several egregious breaches to really derail things I think. If there's a handful of serious cases, that could lead to a bump in the road, but i have doubts it would be sustained (though it could be close to election day). If there's only 1 or two charges, though serious, it'll be shrugged off.RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
I'm a firm believer in punishing for procedural type errors - you should not have any problem following the rules - and for some who are looking for reasons to not trust the Tories even a small breach will offput them, but unless there are either lots of charges and/or very serious ones, I don't think it will connect with the public as much as some hope.0 -
There's people already convinced the Tories literally bought the last election - I do wonder if Corbyn would prefer charges or no charges. Sure, charges gives an opportunity to point out corrupt Tories, but he's be limited in how much he was allowed to say. No charges and he can say it is about a corrupt system that lets people get away with things.0
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What is the second from the left badge?Gallowgate said:This is the banner:
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Corbyn's Gonna Kop Itbigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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You may be thinking of the scene in Alien.RobD said:
The scene where Ripley is desperately trying to turn off the self destruct... somewhat analogous to the position moderate Lab MPs are in now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hey, RobD! Don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate PB Tories will protect you!RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
Aliens on Film4 right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz4kXFI_VtE
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I was using the term a little broadly - I meant more technical breaches which could still be criminal in intent. Eg deliberately accounting things incorrectly, overspending a little vs the big stuff, like in Thanet.RobD said:
The procedural errors were covered by the Commission fine. They are now investigating criminal intent.kle4 said:
No it doesn't. If a high number are prosecuted, then even if pretty marginal matters I can see the Tories taking a slight hit, but momentum is high (jury is still out on whether Momentum is high, however) and there'd have to be several egregious breaches to really derail things I think. If there's a handful of serious cases, that could lead to a bump in the road, but i have doubts it would be sustained (though it could be close to election day). If there's only 1 or two charges, though serious, it'll be shrugged off.RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
I'm a firm believer in punishing for procedural type errors - you should not have any problem following the rules - and for some who are looking for reasons to not trust the Tories even a small breach will offput them, but unless there are either lots of charges and/or very serious ones, I don't think it will connect with the public as much as some hope.0 -
It's not that easy. I can rarely manage more than 5 hours a night.felix said:
Dreadful - maybe anyone over 60 should just be put to sleep.justin124 said:
So Labour is going to be defeated by the senile and infirm?!!surbiton said:In the Opinium tables, VI all 10, if we add up the numbers voting 18-34, 35-44, 45-54,
we get, C 259, Lab 269.
However, Labour are massacred thereafter. 55+ C 315, Lab 99.
The subsets are hilarious. Wales Con 29, Lab 14, PC 4. In fact, Con 29 out of 62.
At this rate, they will win every seat in Wales!0 -
http://www.shrewsbury24campaign.org.ukFrancisUrquhart said:
What is the second from the left badge?Gallowgate said:This is the banner:
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As I understand the problem is with the battle bus and Theresa May has already said it is not the MP's fault. Also all the MP's are standing as far as I am aware so CCHQ must be confident of the outcomekle4 said:
No it doesn't. If a high number are prosecuted, then even if pretty marginal matters I can see the Tories taking a slight hit, but momentum is high (jury is still out on whether Momentum is high, however) and there'd have to be several egregious breaches to really derail things I think. If there's a handful of serious cases, that could lead to a bump in the road, but i have doubts it would be sustained (though it could be close to election day). If there's only 1 or two charges, though serious, it'll be shrugged off.RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
I'm a firm believer in punishing for procedural type errors - you should not have any problem following the rules - and for some who are looking for reasons to not trust the Tories even a small breach will offput them, but unless there are either lots of charges and/or very serious ones, I don't think it will connect with the public as much as some hope.0 -
Sometimes it sucks to be a Liverpool fan.bigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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Oh god....Another conspiracy....Has Ricky tomlinson showed anybody his too secret binder of evidence that he is always so keen to tell people about but less keen for anybody to see it.Gallowgate said:
http://www.shrewsbury24campaign.org.ukFrancisUrquhart said:
What is the second from the left badge?Gallowgate said:This is the banner:
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I'm just glad my sciatica flare up prevents me from going to Anfield tomorrow.kle4 said:
Sometimes it sucks to be a Liverpool fan.bigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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Lol - me neither.Restharrow said:
It's not that easy. I can rarely manage more than 5 hours a night.felix said:
Dreadful - maybe anyone over 60 should just be put to sleep.justin124 said:
So Labour is going to be defeated by the senile and infirm?!!surbiton said:In the Opinium tables, VI all 10, if we add up the numbers voting 18-34, 35-44, 45-54,
we get, C 259, Lab 269.
However, Labour are massacred thereafter. 55+ C 315, Lab 99.
The subsets are hilarious. Wales Con 29, Lab 14, PC 4. In fact, Con 29 out of 62.
At this rate, they will win every seat in Wales!
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Yeah, that's fair enough. Just hope it isn't a drip-drip-drip of announcements over a four week period.kle4 said:
I was using the term a little broadly - I meant more technical breaches which could still be criminal in intent. Eg deliberately accounting things incorrectly, overspending a little vs the big stuff, like in Thanet.RobD said:
The procedural errors were covered by the Commission fine. They are now investigating criminal intent.kle4 said:
No it doesn't. If a high number are prosecuted, then even if pretty marginal matters I can see the Tories taking a slight hit, but momentum is high (jury is still out on whether Momentum is high, however) and there'd have to be several egregious breaches to really derail things I think. If there's a handful of serious cases, that could lead to a bump in the road, but i have doubts it would be sustained (though it could be close to election day). If there's only 1 or two charges, though serious, it'll be shrugged off.RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
I'm a firm believer in punishing for procedural type errors - you should not have any problem following the rules - and for some who are looking for reasons to not trust the Tories even a small breach will offput them, but unless there are either lots of charges and/or very serious ones, I don't think it will connect with the public as much as some hope.0 -
What is a Labour Man U fan supposed to do ? Mind you, they voted for an Evertonian big time.bigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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Isn't Corbyn an Arsenal fan, in any case?0
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People seem to think there's no way the toris will get 150 seats. I can't see why not?SeanT said:
That looks pretty reasonable.... SNP and Greens maybe a tad too high. Hmm.peter_from_putney said:
I'd go:IanB2 said:
UKIP and Green look a tad high?MTimT said:Is there going to be an election prediction competition this time? FWIW, for the GB vote, I'll go for something like:
Tories 45.6%
Labour 24.7%
LDs 11.8%
UKIP 6.9%
Greens 5.4%
SNP 5.0%
Others the balance
Tories ....... 43.5%
Labour ...... 27.7%
LibDem ..... 13.3%
UKIP ........... 5.2%
Greens ....... 4.1%
SNP ............ 4.8%
Others ........ 1.4%
Tory Seats: 385 = 120 Overall Majority
Tories.......46%
Labour.......26%
Libdem......12%
UKIP........6.5%
Green.......3.8%
SNP..........4.5%0 -
Shhh !The_Apocalypse said:Isn't Corbyn an Arsenal fan, in any case?
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The issue is whether an item of national expenditure (unrestricted) should be levied on individual constituencies (restricted) and if so, how is it to be sliced and diced. The finest legal minds in the CPS have been debating the issue for two long years so it's somewhat unreasonable to expect a bog-standard Tory MP or agent to anticipate their conclusions in the 28 days allowed for an expenses return. Ignorance of the law may be no excuse, but honest behaviour without criminal intent prior to the law being clarified is a defensible position.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I understand the problem is with the battle bus and Theresa May has already said it is not the MP's fault. Also all the MP's are standing as far as I am aware so CCHQ must be confident of the outcomekle4 said:
No it doesn't. If a high number are prosecuted, then even if pretty marginal matters I can see the Tories taking a slight hit, but momentum is high (jury is still out on whether Momentum is high, however) and there'd have to be several egregious breaches to really derail things I think. If there's a handful of serious cases, that could lead to a bump in the road, but i have doubts it would be sustained (though it could be close to election day). If there's only 1 or two charges, though serious, it'll be shrugged off.RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
I'm a firm believer in punishing for procedural type errors - you should not have any problem following the rules - and for some who are looking for reasons to not trust the Tories even a small breach will offput them, but unless there are either lots of charges and/or very serious ones, I don't think it will connect with the public as much as some hope.0 -
WTF is that nonsense? Such hatred, such anger, such idiocy, such hypocrisy, such lack of coherence. It's a masterpiece.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
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I am searching for ORB in this thread and all I get is Corbyn.
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What about those who aren't voting CON but would never vote for Labour under the Corbynsiah? (I still cannot get over that LabourList comment literally compared Corbyn to 'the other JC')RobD said:0 -
That's an interesting way of thinking about it.kle4 said:There's people already convinced the Tories literally bought the last election - I do wonder if Corbyn would prefer charges or no charges. Sure, charges gives an opportunity to point out corrupt Tories, but he's be limited in how much he was allowed to say. No charges and he can say it is about a corrupt system that lets people get away with things.
Also, if anyone does get charged with a criminal offence, then anyone who subsequently talks publicly about the case could be held in contempt of court. Any politician who tried to mention the case or cases in an interview or speech on TV or radio will very quickly find themselves cut off by the broadcaster.0 -
In that photo is corbyn demonstrating what he intends do to the bollocks of those on £80k+ ?Scott_P said:twitter.com/hendopolis/status/860956670784139265
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Wasn't the number being floated before 75k, or did I imagine that?Scott_P said:
Well, it's almost 3 times what I get, so sure, raid 'em.0 -
Wayne Rooney?surbiton said:
What is a Labour Man U fan supposed to do ? Mind you, they voted for an Evertonian big time.bigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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Go for it. Suck me dry. At least, do something. It's a start.Scott_P said:0 -
"I can't say much for your chances, but you have my sympathies."viewcode said:
You may be thinking of the scene in Alien.RobD said:
The scene where Ripley is desperately trying to turn off the self destruct... somewhat analogous to the position moderate Lab MPs are in now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hey, RobD! Don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate PB Tories will protect you!RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
Aliens on Film4 right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz4kXFI_VtE0 -
Go for it. Suck me dry. At least, do something. It's a start.Scott_P said:0 -
Andy Burnham.Sandpit said:
Wayne Rooney?surbiton said:
What is a Labour Man U fan supposed to do ? Mind you, they voted for an Evertonian big time.bigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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Well, it's direct at least.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Are we sure it isn't seanT's tinder profile?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Filth!TheScreamingEagles said:
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That's the oneviewcode said:
You may be thinking of the scene in Alien.RobD said:
The scene where Ripley is desperately trying to turn off the self destruct... somewhat analogous to the position moderate Lab MPs are in now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hey, RobD! Don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate PB Tories will protect you!RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
Aliens on Film4 right now
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz4kXFI_VtE
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I understand it works in ManchesterTheScreamingEagles said: 0 -
It would, I've used some of the worst chat up lines in history in Manchester.CommanderShepard said:
I understand it works in ManchesterTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
...'cause surbiton's a lazy bugger.RobD said:New ORB poll from the Telegraph?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/06/tories-course-gain-biggest-landslide-election-victory-seen-fifty/
CON 46 (+4), LAB 31 (nc), LD9 (-1), UKIP 8 (nc)
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I guess the difference is that the grannies of Manchester are safe from Andy Burnham.surbiton said:
Andy Burnham.Sandpit said:
Wayne Rooney?surbiton said:
What is a Labour Man U fan supposed to do ? Mind you, they voted for an Evertonian big time.bigjohnowls said:Liverpool fans to unveil huge Jeremy Corbyn banner at Anfield tomorrow
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I seem to remember Starmer when DPP standing in front of cameras making an announcement re charging someone.Sandpit said:
That's an interesting way of thinking about it.kle4 said:There's people already convinced the Tories literally bought the last election - I do wonder if Corbyn would prefer charges or no charges. Sure, charges gives an opportunity to point out corrupt Tories, but he's be limited in how much he was allowed to say. No charges and he can say it is about a corrupt system that lets people get away with things.
Also, if anyone does get charged with a criminal offence, then anyone who subsequently talks publicly about the case could be held in contempt of court. Any politician who tried to mention the case or cases in an interview or speech on TV or radio will very quickly find themselves cut off by the broadcaster.
So presumably there would basically just be one day of news headlines "DPP announces charges ........." but then that would pretty well be it.
If so, the damage to Con shouldn't be that great.0 -
Was it written by Diane Abbott?kle4 said:
WTF is that nonsense? Such hatred, such anger, such idiocy, such hypocrisy, such lack of coherence. It's a masterpiece.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
That's sophisticated speak round here.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Thanks. When people like you are there to do it for you..........RobD said:
...'cause surbiton's a lazy bugger.RobD said:New ORB poll from the Telegraph?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/06/tories-course-gain-biggest-landslide-election-victory-seen-fifty/
CON 46 (+4), LAB 31 (nc), LD9 (-1), UKIP 8 (nc)
This 30/31% is becoming quite entrenched.0 -
Lazy and cheeky...surbiton said:
Thanks. When people like you are there to do it for you..........RobD said:
...'cause surbiton's a lazy bugger.RobD said:New ORB poll from the Telegraph?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/06/tories-course-gain-biggest-landslide-election-victory-seen-fifty/
CON 46 (+4), LAB 31 (nc), LD9 (-1), UKIP 8 (nc) 0 -
I'd love to see the replies. Mainly in hope that people were calling them out for their insane ideas.Floater said:
Was it written by Diane Abbott?kle4 said:
WTF is that nonsense? Such hatred, such anger, such idiocy, such hypocrisy, such lack of coherence. It's a masterpiece.The_Apocalypse said:0 -
Yes, at what point do we have to start believing it. however much it seems strange?surbiton said:
Thanks. When people like you are there to do it for you..........RobD said:
...'cause surbiton's a lazy bugger.RobD said:New ORB poll from the Telegraph?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/06/tories-course-gain-biggest-landslide-election-victory-seen-fifty/
CON 46 (+4), LAB 31 (nc), LD9 (-1), UKIP 8 (nc)
This 30/31% is becoming quite entrenched.
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My memory does not go that far back!TheScreamingEagles said:
So what will you do tomorrow when the Corbyn banner is unfurled ?0 -
Also... if well-heeled activists turn up and campaign at their own expense, do you have to record their travel, accommodation and subsistence expenses as donations to your local campaign? Because that's really no different to Central Office paying people's expenses.Restharrow said:
The issue is whether an item of national expenditure (unrestricted) should be levied on individual constituencies (restricted) and if so, how is it to be sliced and diced. The finest legal minds in the CPS have been debating the issue for two long years so it's somewhat unreasonable to expect a bog-standard Tory MP or agent to anticipate their conclusions in the 28 days allowed for an expenses return. Ignorance of the law may be no excuse, but honest behaviour without criminal intent prior to the law being clarified is a defensible position.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I understand the problem is with the battle bus and Theresa May has already said it is not the MP's fault. Also all the MP's are standing as far as I am aware so CCHQ must be confident of the outcomekle4 said:
No it doesn't. If a high number are prosecuted, then even if pretty marginal matters I can see the Tories taking a slight hit, but momentum is high (jury is still out on whether Momentum is high, however) and there'd have to be several egregious breaches to really derail things I think. If there's a handful of serious cases, that could lead to a bump in the road, but i have doubts it would be sustained (though it could be close to election day). If there's only 1 or two charges, though serious, it'll be shrugged off.RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
I'm a firm believer in punishing for procedural type errors - you should not have any problem following the rules - and for some who are looking for reasons to not trust the Tories even a small breach will offput them, but unless there are either lots of charges and/or very serious ones, I don't think it will connect with the public as much as some hope.0 -
That's my understanding, I'm sure one of the many PB lawyers will confirm. The CPS will announce charges, the media will report in a matter of fact manner, may interview another journalist for background on the case but being very aware of the context of the election. No way will any politician be asked on to comment on the charges. Then nothing until the start of the trial, which may be many months away.MikeL said:
I seem to remember Starmer when DPP standing in front of cameras making an announcement re charging someone.Sandpit said:
That's an interesting way of thinking about it.kle4 said:There's people already convinced the Tories literally bought the last election - I do wonder if Corbyn would prefer charges or no charges. Sure, charges gives an opportunity to point out corrupt Tories, but he's be limited in how much he was allowed to say. No charges and he can say it is about a corrupt system that lets people get away with things.
Also, if anyone does get charged with a criminal offence, then anyone who subsequently talks publicly about the case could be held in contempt of court. Any politician who tried to mention the case or cases in an interview or speech on TV or radio will very quickly find themselves cut off by the broadcaster.
So presumably there would basically just be one day of news headlines "DPP announces charges ........." but then that would pretty well be it.
If so, the damage to Con shouldn't be that great.
Also note that sub judice and contempt of court rules also very much apply to that usually unregulated political speech bubble that is the Internet.0 -
Welcome back.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"I can't say much for your chances, but you have my sympathies."viewcode said:
You may be thinking of the scene in Alien.RobD said:
The scene where Ripley is desperately trying to turn off the self destruct... somewhat analogous to the position moderate Lab MPs are in now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hey, RobD! Don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate PB Tories will protect you!RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
Aliens on Film4 right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz4kXFI_VtE0 -
Apologies for not doing this in time for the previous thread, but I've gone through the results in Surrey to see if we can learn anything about the Lib Dems. They only gained two seats from the Tories - Caterham Valley and Godalming North. The first of these includes a number of railway stations on Southern (that might be an issue here) while the latter has Godalming and Farncombe railway stations.
It would seem reasonable to assume that the Lib Dems performed particularly well in these locations due to them having a higher number of Remain voting London commuters. So with this in mind I've taken a look at how the Lib Dems did in Woking, Guildford and Haselmere as these also have a high number of commuters. Here's how they got on:
Woking South West: +7.4 pp
Goldworth East and Horsell Village: +7.9 pp
Woking South: +10.2 pp
Woking South East: +12.5 pp
Woking North: -4.2 pp
Guildford South West: +16.2 pp
Guidford East: +10.7 pp
Guildford North: +6.9 pp
Guildford South East: +14.5 pp
Guildford West: +8.1pp
Godalming North: +24.7 pp
Haselmere: +19.9 pp (the independent that won in 2013 did not run in 2017)
All: +10.6 pp
In Surrey as a whole, the Lib Dems were up 7 pp, so they did better in these places. So the Lib Dems might do better in SW London than the national polls are suggesting, but of course these are just local elections on relatively low turnouts.0 -
It's way too subtle for Manchester.CommanderShepard said:
I understand it works in ManchesterTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Will there be a ST/Yougov ? It should be now, right ?0
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When's YouGov expected? Some of us have got things to do...0
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If SNP hold BRS and take the Holyrood seat I would be poor and feel guilty about all the people i told to pile on the Tories at the absurdly generous odds but I would laugh for a week.calum said:The 5/1 long shot - got 25p on with Betfair - Tories now 1/10 !
https://twitter.com/CalumKerrSNP/status/8609437359574630410 -
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ORB tables - note that fieldwork was 3/4 May so before results of Local Elections.
http://orb-international.com/perch/resources/orb-the-telegraph-3rd-4th-may.pdf0 -
Good summary. It is not so much a case of ignorance of the law. The candidates (now MPs) were told by CCHQ that the battlebus was to be treated as national expenditure.Restharrow said:The issue is whether an item of national expenditure (unrestricted) should be levied on individual constituencies (restricted) and if so, how is it to be sliced and diced. The finest legal minds in the CPS have been debating the issue for two long years so it's somewhat unreasonable to expect a bog-standard Tory MP or agent to anticipate their conclusions in the 28 days allowed for an expenses return. Ignorance of the law may be no excuse, but honest behaviour without criminal intent prior to the law being clarified is a defensible position.
There are a number of cases where the safety first approach of including a proportion of the battlebus costs would still have meant the expenses were within set limits.0 -
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So was Osama Bin Laden, do I detect a pattern?The_Apocalypse said:Isn't Corbyn an Arsenal fan, in any case?
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One in six Labour voters with ORB is either 'DNV' or 'extremely minor party' at the last election.
6% of their 31% are SNP/UKIP returners,
Labour's vote without these returners/DNVs/Minors is 22%0 -
Yougov - Tories 47 / labour 280
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Tonight's YouGov Sunday Times poll
Con 47% (-1)
Lab 28% (-1)
LD 14 (+4)
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LOL. File under "No shit, Sherlock"Floater said:
The EU budget only runs until 2020, there's no way we would be any obligation to them whatsoever after that date. Maybe we might be kind enough to pay a proportion, say 33%, between our leave date in 2019 and the end of the budget cycle. So £4bn.0 -
Used to be good, but off form for the last couple of years and loud demands to replace the manager?surbiton said:
Shhh !The_Apocalypse said:Isn't Corbyn an Arsenal fan, in any case?
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Thanks, but I should have said:viewcode said:
Welcome back.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"I can't say much for your chances, but you have my sympathies."viewcode said:
You may be thinking of the scene in Alien.RobD said:
The scene where Ripley is desperately trying to turn off the self destruct... somewhat analogous to the position moderate Lab MPs are in now.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Hey, RobD! Don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate PB Tories will protect you!RobD said:
The Thanet ones don't sound like nonsense...MarqueeMark said:
I heard some background to one of the cases today. 12 "charges" were being investigated by the police relating to expenses.RobD said:
Isn't it entirely in the CPS' hands now? The decision is based on the information in the case file
One was - why were there no receipts submitted for their Facebook page?
Another was - why was there no receipt for an advert in the local paper where the by now MP thanked the voters for their support.
Another was a claim that the then Home Secretary, now PM, arrived in the constituency in a second, secret trip by the battle-bus - rather than driven in by Special Branch minders.
On and on. Nonsense, top to bottom.
Aliens on Film4 right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz4kXFI_VtE
"I can't lie to you about your chances, but you have my sympathies."
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28% still seems optimistic for labour.....As does 47% for Tories.0
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