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What a diddy Corbyn is.Arthur_Penny said:
they couldn't have got the amendment through to hold the election without Labour - could they!malcolmg said:
G, why did they pretend it should be fixed term and put stupid laws in place, knowing that first sign of opportunity to game the system they were going to cheat.Big_G_NorthWales said:
How having a general election is a serial abuser of the democratic process. Seems it is inconvenient for the SNP but it is absolutely the democratic processmalcolmg said:
May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
ELECTIVE dictatorship is an ever present danger in Westminster’s antiquated system of government, where the Prime Minister still exercises the pre-democratic powers of monarchy. The Fixed-term Parliament Act of 2011 (FTPA) was one attempt to modernise our system by denying political leaders the undemocratic right to call an election at a moment of their own choosing: ie whenever the opposition party was weakest.
David Cameron enacted the FTPA, which is the norm in most democratic countries, and Theresa May voted for it in 2011. So much for all that. She wasn’t going to let the law get in the way of exploiting Labour’s internal divisions to win a quick and dirty 100-seat majority. Labour went along with her coup, as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out, with all the enthusiasm of turkeys voting for an early Christmas.
There really is no justification for this snap election. Theresa May said repeatedly that Britain needed “a period of stability” following Brexit, and she was right. The world needs a period of stability following Donald Trump, Syria and heightened international tensions in South East Asia. Voters have no idea of what kind of EU relationship they’re voting for – and neither does the Government Theresa May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
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@paulwaugh: UKIP have decided not to stand a candidate in Peterborough. Big filip to Tory MP Stewart Jackson.0
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Labour gain.CarlottaVance said:0 -
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It is indeed sad that they stoop so low, but given some of their MSP's it is no surprise.calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........0 -
It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.malcolmg said:Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/8582377073314816000 -
Trouble in Rogers favourite northern town....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4458100/Catfight-Ukip-campaign-trail.html0 -
Frightening, does not bode well for Scotland. Tory hordes rampaging around the country wrecking things and terrorising the innocent public. Where will it end and will old bulldog chops be able to rein them in.Dura_Ace said:
It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.malcolmg said:Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/8582377073314816000 -
That was a ruse by Nick Clegg to keep him inpower in the coalitionmalcolmg said:
G, why did they pretend it should be fixed term and put stupid laws in place, knowing that first sign of opportunity to game the system they were going to cheat.Big_G_NorthWales said:
How having a general election is a serial abuser of the democratic process. Seems it is inconvenient for the SNP but it is absolutely the democratic processmalcolmg said:
May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
ELECTIVE dictatorship is an ever present danger in Westminster’s antiquated system of government, where the Prime Minister still exercises the pre-democratic powers of monarchy. The Fixed-term Parliament Act of 2011 (FTPA) was one attempt to modernise our system by denying political leaders the undemocratic right to call an election at a moment of their own choosing: ie whenever the opposition party was weakest.
David Cameron enacted the FTPA, which is the norm in most democratic countries, and Theresa May voted for it in 2011. So much for all that. She wasn’t going to let the law get in the way of exploiting Labour’s internal divisions to win a quick and dirty 100-seat majority. Labour went along with her coup, as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out, with all the enthusiasm of turkeys voting for an early Christmas.
There really is no justification for this snap election. Theresa May said repeatedly that Britain needed “a period of stability” following Brexit, and she was right. The world needs a period of stability following Donald Trump, Syria and heightened international tensions in South East Asia. Voters have no idea of what kind of EU relationship they’re voting for – and neither does the Government Theresa May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2017/04/29/may-is-a-serial-abuser-of-the-democratic-process/0 -
I take it you have left UKIP and joined the Tories, your natural home.Sean_F said:
What a strange article. May is adhering to the democratic process.malcolmg said:
May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
ELECTIVE dictatorship is an ever present danger in Westminster’s antiquated system of government, where the Prime Minister still exercises the pre-democratic powers of monarchy. The Fixed-term Parliament Act of 2011 (FTPA) was one attempt to modernise our system by denying political leaders the undemocratic right to call an election at a moment of their own choosing: ie whenever the opposition party was weakest.
David Cameron enacted the FTPA, which is the norm in most democratic countries, and Theresa May voted for it in 2011. So much for all that. She wasn’t going to let the law get in the way of exploiting Labour’s internal divisions to win a quick and dirty 100-seat majority. Labour went along with her coup, as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out, with all the enthusiasm of turkeys voting for an early Christmas.
There really is no justification for this snap election. Theresa May said repeatedly that Britain needed “a period of stability” following Brexit, and she was right. The world needs a period of stability following Donald Trump, Syria and heightened international tensions in South East Asia. Voters have no idea of what kind of EU relationship they’re voting for – and neither does the Government Theresa May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2017/04/29/may-is-a-serial-abuser-of-the-democratic-process/0 -
Is Hollande still around? I thought he'd gone off to be a pizza delivery rider.....williamglenn said:Look away now Big G:
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Books are amazingly cheap these days.HurstLlama said:O?T but happy news worth sharing:
UK book sales hit a record £3.5 billion last year, led by a rise of 16% for sales of children's books!
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And that is what is happening to the left on twitter/ facebook - they are shutting out anyone with any alternative view, which means inevitably that they are exposed to an ever-more extreme version of champagne socialism. The right, no doubt, are suffering something similar - but they don't use social media as much - so it doesn't affect them.malcolmg said:
Never limit your access to information , you should not put on blinkers and stay in your own narrow viewpoint. Look at what I have to suffer on here yet I never ignore anyone's viewpoint.asjohnstone said:
Just how does one put certain users on ignore?surbiton said:
But you have to admire her work ethic. Previously, she and Fitalass did different shifts. Now they are on sometimes together in the middle of the night making sure they dominate the drift of the posts. Working overtime in a tax heaven [ haven ? ].malcolmg said:
Sean, carlotta has no sense of humour , she is just a Tory CCHQ cypher with no experience of real life. She is the type who would be saying "let the poor eat cake", as she stuffed another lobster down her thrapple.Sean_F said:
I enjoy Malcolm's insults.CarlottaVance said:malcolmg said:not quite bright enough.
malcolmg said:slavering sad Little Englander
malcolmg said:big jessie huff
malcolmg said:half witted cretin
malcolmg said:vomiting some rabid bile
malcolmg said:squad of cheating lying losers
malcolmg said:moingrel whines and slavers shouting like a fishwife.
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Didn't he used to be someone once? Oh yes, he was going to 'roll back austerity across Europe' with Ed Miliband (who he? - ed.)TudorRose said:
Is Hollande still around? I thought he'd gone off to be a pizza delivery rider.....williamglenn said:Look away now Big G:
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Is there no longer a long term economic plan?0
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That does not bother me at all. You are losing your grip if you are having to use Hollande to make a pointwilliamglenn said:Look away now Big G:
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I thought there 'aren't any Tories in Scotland' unquote.malcolmg said:
. Tory hordes rampaging around the country.Dura_Ace said:
It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.malcolmg said:Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/858237707331481600
Now there are 'hordes'?
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Especially from charity shops. I presume the £3.5bn figure excludes such second hand sales.another_richard said:
Books are amazingly cheap these days.HurstLlama said:O?T but happy news worth sharing:
UK book sales hit a record £3.5 billion last year, led by a rise of 16% for sales of children's books!
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Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........0 -
Barnesian is right.FF43 said:
Both sides are letting the clock run out. As the smaller party and the one that is leaving and whose situation will be radically altered by Brexit the consequences will be much more severe for us.Barnesian said:A diamond hard Brexit, i.e. WTO with no transition, would be catastrophic for the UK - possibly worse than 2008 and the blame squarely on May and the Tories shoulders. No Gordon Brown to blame. After this election, there will be no hiding place. She will be responsible.
The EU won't storm out. Why would they? All they need to do is sit patiently as the clock ticks down and watch TMay sweat.
Thinking about it, I could imagine the EU agreeing a temporary extension agreement of a year or so without finalising payment or any new arrangements. There would be little downside for them. Time is on their side and not on ours.
Also, the transitional arrangements will be extended, no doubt. Why should it not be ? Effectively, it would mean the EU still continuing in situ years after Brexit. It maybe our only hope that there would be a soft landing.0 -
It was always obviously only fixed in the event of a coalition.malcolmg said:
G, why did they pretend it should be fixed term and put stupid laws in place, knowing that first sign of opportunity to game the system they were going to cheat.Big_G_NorthWales said:
How having a general election is a serial abuser of the democratic process. Seems it is inconvenient for the SNP but it is absolutely the democratic processmalcolmg said:
May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
ELECTIVE dictatorship is an ever present danger in Westminster’s antiquated system of government, where the Prime Minister still exercises the pre-democratic powers of monarchy. The Fixed-term Parliament Act of 2011 (FTPA) was one attempt to modernise our system by denying political leaders the undemocratic right to call an election at a moment of their own choosing: ie whenever the opposition party was weakest.
David Cameron enacted the FTPA, which is the norm in most democratic countries, and Theresa May voted for it in 2011. So much for all that. She wasn’t going to let the law get in the way of exploiting Labour’s internal divisions to win a quick and dirty 100-seat majority. Labour went along with her coup, as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out, with all the enthusiasm of turkeys voting for an early Christmas.
There really is no justification for this snap election. Theresa May said repeatedly that Britain needed “a period of stability” following Brexit, and she was right. The world needs a period of stability following Donald Trump, Syria and heightened international tensions in South East Asia. Voters have no idea of what kind of EU relationship they’re voting for – and neither does the Government Theresa May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2017/04/29/may-is-a-serial-abuser-of-the-democratic-process/0 -
We are the People, ie not CatholicsRichard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........0 -
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........0 -
We Are The Pumped, judging by the fitba.malcolmg said:
We are the People, ie not CatholicsRichard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........0 -
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Look up the shenanigans of the SNP - what comes around goes around. No sympathy whatsoever.malcolmg said:
Frightening, does not bode well for Scotland. Tory hordes rampaging around the country wrecking things and terrorising the innocent public. Where will it end and will old bulldog chops be able to rein them in.Dura_Ace said:
It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.malcolmg said:Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/8582377073314816000 -
The amount of times Cameron and Osborne had their fingers crossed behing their backs when dealing with Clegg..........ThreeQuidder said:
It was always obviously only fixed in the event of a coalition.malcolmg said:
G, why did they pretend it should be fixed term and put stupid laws in place, knowing that first sign of opportunity to game the system they were going to cheat.Big_G_NorthWales said:
How having a general election is a serial abuser of the democratic process. Seems it is inconvenient for the SNP but it is absolutely the democratic processmalcolmg said:
May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
ELECTIVE dictatorship is an ever present danger in Westminster’s antiquated system of government, where the Prime Minister still exercises the pre-democratic powers of monarchy. The Fixed-term Parliament Act of 2011 (FTPA) was one attempt to modernise our system by denying political leaders the undemocratic right to call an election at a moment of their own choosing: ie whenever the opposition party was weakest.
David Cameron enacted the FTPA, which is the norm in most democratic countries, and Theresa May voted for it in 2011. So much for all that. She wasn’t going to let the law get in the way of exploiting Labour’s internal divisions to win a quick and dirty 100-seat majority. Labour went along with her coup, as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out, with all the enthusiasm of turkeys voting for an early Christmas.
There really is no justification for this snap election. Theresa May said repeatedly that Britain needed “a period of stability” following Brexit, and she was right. The world needs a period of stability following Donald Trump, Syria and heightened international tensions in South East Asia. Voters have no idea of what kind of EU relationship they’re voting for – and neither does the Government Theresa May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2017/04/29/may-is-a-serial-abuser-of-the-democratic-process/0 -
Vote Palantine!calum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........0 -
They're hardly going to say otherwise are they?williamglenn said:0 -
Says Donald Tusk...williamglenn said:0 -
Fair and Firm - hardly controversialwilliamglenn said:0 -
I asked Betfair last Sunday for a market on the next French prime minister, and they said they'd do it later. I wanted to bet on Dupont-Aignan. Today Le Pen has said that if she wins she will appoint him, but there's still no market up.0
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MRDAwilliamglenn said:0 -
Fair and firm v strong and stable; who'll give us odds on the outcome of that...?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Fair and Firm - hardly controversialwilliamglenn said:0 -
Do any ladies support Rangers?calum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39742949williamglenn said:
It sounds more like a plea to the 27 than a statement of intent. The constant need to reiterate it suggests it is playing on their minds.0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/28/uk-gdp-growth-inflation-economy-brexit-vote
This could also be why we are having an election now. Get it out of the way. But I still think it is the "divorce bill" which is why she has gone for it. You cannot pay £x bn, with a tiny majority and about 50 full-time loonies, on your side.0 -
My (Catholic) pal's husband and his mother are attending Castle Greyskull at this very moment. Not having a happy time I'd guess.OldKingCole said:
Do any ladies support Rangers?calum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........
Just asking, like!0 -
The GDP figures will recover in Q2. Q1 is a post Christmas hangover.surbiton said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/28/uk-gdp-growth-inflation-economy-brexit-vote
This could also be why we are having an election now. Get it out of the way. But I still think it is the "divorce bill" which is why she has gone for it. You cannot pay £x bn, with a tiny majority and about 50 full-time loonies, on your side.0 -
The Tories should soft pedal in Edinburgh South, there isn't room for two Unionist challenges.0
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That would require approval from the parliament though. If LR remain the largest party I can't see them agreeing to NDA. Needs to be an LR candidate.Cyan said:I asked Betfair last Sunday for a market on the next French prime minister, and they said they'd do it later. I wanted to bet on Dupont-Aignan. Today Le Pen has said that if she wins she will appoint him, but there's still no market up.
Whoever wins, the parliament is likely to be a very hung parliament and both candidates will struggle to get a PM approved
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The OO had a black president years before the USA had an orange onecalum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........0 -
An Orange Lodge lady recently proposed to her intended over the Ibrox scoreboard !!OldKingCole said:
Do any ladies support Rangers?calum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........
Just asking, like!0 -
"A 21-year-old teacher arrested by anti-terror police in London was allegedly plotting to attack a police officer.Yesterday it emerged that Mohamed Amoudi was investigated for allegedly attempting to travel to Syria to join ISIS, and was held by police in 2015.
Amoudi's activity on social media expressing radical religious views had previously been investigated by police. He was planning to carry out an attack in a crowded tourist area"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4457936/Arrested-teacher-plotting-murder-police-officer.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK#ixzz4fdCAoXk00 -
I wonder if he plays the flute or the drums !Alanbrooke said:
The OO had a black president years before the USA had an orange onecalum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........0 -
...with benefitsTudorRose said:
Is Hollande still around? I thought he'd gone off to be a pizza delivery rider.....williamglenn said:Look away now Big G:
https://twitter.com/afp/status/858260738162524160
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They're hardly going to describe them as 'petty and vindictive' are they?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Fair and Firm - hardly controversialwilliamglenn said:0 -
Yes think they need to add 17th Century before "people" nowadaysTheuniondivvie said:
We Are The Pumped, judging by the fitba.malcolmg said:
We are the People, ie not CatholicsRichard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........0 -
calum said:
I wonder if he plays the flute or the drums !Alanbrooke said:
The OO had a black president years before the USA had an orange onecalum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........
Dunno, he was from Ghana, maybe you could buy him one
http://shop.grandorangelodge.co.uk/acatalog/index.html-1 -
@AlastairMeeks Thanks for a very interesting thread header. Will start reading the comments but probably a new thread is imminent & wanted to say thanks on this one.
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Care to provide a bona fide example, anything similar to the unionists in George Square sayArthur_Penny said:
Look up the shenanigans of the SNP - what comes around goes around. No sympathy whatsoever.malcolmg said:
Frightening, does not bode well for Scotland. Tory hordes rampaging around the country wrecking things and terrorising the innocent public. Where will it end and will old bulldog chops be able to rein them in.Dura_Ace said:
It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.malcolmg said:Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/858237707331481600
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Will SCON be adopting Tina Turner's "Simply the Best" as their campaign song?calum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........
It could be useful for inspiring crowd participation: words are often interpolated that start with "FTP" (and they don't mean file transfer protocol) and then express a similar sentiment towards a now defunct organisation. I won't post a link, but a websearch on "Lisa from Battalion" should help. And never mind charity red noses! Wear blue ones instead! Never mind J K Rowling either. Theresa and Ruth could praise the British identity of the Scottish Rangers fans who support the England football team.
Other interpolated words that may appeal are "No surrender" before "Send her victorious" in the British national anthem:
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I very much doubt it, Mr. Rentool. There is no method of collecting data on second-hand book sales.SandyRentool said:
Especially from charity shops. I presume the £3.5bn figure excludes such second hand sales.another_richard said:
Books are amazingly cheap these days.HurstLlama said:O?T but happy news worth sharing:
UK book sales hit a record £3.5 billion last year, led by a rise of 16% for sales of children's books!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-397180160 -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3046335/The-Scottish-Nasty-Party-growing-intimidation-intolerance-dissent-reeks-fascism.htmlmalcolmg said:
Care to provide a bona fide example, anything similar to the unionists in George Square sayArthur_Penny said:
Look up the shenanigans of the SNP - what comes around goes around. No sympathy whatsoever.malcolmg said:
Frightening, does not bode well for Scotland. Tory hordes rampaging around the country wrecking things and terrorising the innocent public. Where will it end and will old bulldog chops be able to rein them in.Dura_Ace said:
It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.malcolmg said:Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/858237707331481600
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Which part of Scotland is Nuremberg in ? I'm sure it's Ayrshiremalcolmg said:
Care to provide a bona fide example, anything similar to the unionists in George Square sayArthur_Penny said:
Look up the shenanigans of the SNP - what comes around goes around. No sympathy whatsoever.malcolmg said:
Frightening, does not bode well for Scotland. Tory hordes rampaging around the country wrecking things and terrorising the innocent public. Where will it end and will old bulldog chops be able to rein them in.Dura_Ace said:
It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.malcolmg said:Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/8582377073314816000 -
Although the poster below who was asking who in Cumnock might vote Tory, these Ayrshire villages (Drongan also) are plentiful with WATP staunchness. If there was going to be a year for them to vote Tory, an election where Ruth Davidson making the campaign about defending the Union, and being pictured with the UJ in a tank etc etc, while the Labour Party is led by people with Sinn Fein sympathies might be the one.calum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........
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Essentially, the wishes of up to seven EU countries with populations totalling up to 140m residents can be ignored.
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Lots of our Nats have Sinn Fein sympathies I can't see that being a factorPaulM said:
Although the poster below who was asking who in Cumnock might vote Tory, these Ayrshire villages (Drongan also) are plentiful with WATP staunchness. If there was going to be a year for them to vote Tory, an election where Ruth Davidson making the campaign about defending the Union, and being pictured with the UJ in a tank etc etc, while the Labour Party is led by people with Sinn Fein sympathies might be the one.calum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........0 -
according to oddschecker paddy's have that market priced up. your boy is 50/1.Paristonda said:
That would require approval from the parliament though. If LR remain the largest party I can't see them agreeing to NDA. Needs to be an LR candidate.Cyan said:I asked Betfair last Sunday for a market on the next French prime minister, and they said they'd do it later. I wanted to bet on Dupont-Aignan. Today Le Pen has said that if she wins she will appoint him, but there's still no market up.
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You can always trust the Rangers support to make the club proud, even when they're losing on the pitch.malcolmg said:
Yes think they need to add 17th Century before "people" nowadaysTheuniondivvie said:
We Are The Pumped, judging by the fitba.malcolmg said:
We are the People, ie not CatholicsRichard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........
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To Peter from Putney (prior thread re St Albans)
Yes, St Albans is a Lib Dem target. Farron was there campaigning this week. as noted Anne Main is not beloved, and the consittuency was heavily remain. The LibDems also have a highish profile candidate in Daisy Cooper. If the Labour vote collapses could be a horse race (although I think Kerry Pollard the former MP might be Labour candidate again which would maybe put a floor on the Labour vote)
Con hold still should be favourite given the national trends, but not at 1/9 on.
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Blair crushing dissent in Labour Party, Corbyn must have forgotten about that control freak Gordon Brown.
http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-insecure-theresa-may-will-make-damaging-mistakes-108555980 -
The Socialist Party is currently the largest party. But yes, the assembly is likely to be hung and neither candidate is likely to have a majority from their own party. That said, both En Marche and the FN will probably have far more seats than their present numbers 0 and 2. It's going to be fun.Paristonda said:
That would require approval from the parliament though. If LR remain the largest party I can't see them agreeing to NDA. Needs to be an LR candidate.Cyan said:I asked Betfair last Sunday for a market on the next French prime minister, and they said they'd do it later. I wanted to bet on Dupont-Aignan. Today Le Pen has said that if she wins she will appoint him, but there's still no market up.
Whoever wins, the parliament is likely to be a very hung parliament and both candidates will struggle to get a PM approved
Have there been any recent opinion polls for the June election?
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Thanks! I'll have a look, even if I can't stake much because near my limitpaulyork64 said:
according to oddschecker paddy's have that market priced up. your boy is 50/1.Paristonda said:
That would require approval from the parliament though. If LR remain the largest party I can't see them agreeing to NDA. Needs to be an LR candidate.Cyan said:I asked Betfair last Sunday for a market on the next French prime minister, and they said they'd do it later. I wanted to bet on Dupont-Aignan. Today Le Pen has said that if she wins she will appoint him, but there's still no market up.
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Not sure this poll is going as Lady Nugee (sic) would wish:
https://twitter.com/LadyNugeeMP/status/8582637073648066560 -
Good question - he's a loss to the site. I have a recollection that he was banned around the time of GE 2015 and probably rather like Rod Crosby, he's too proud and too smart to grovel.Alanbrooke said:Where's Easter Ross these days
Shame really, especially when one considers what is allowed on this site these days from some pretty unremarkable dullards posters.0 -
So Corbyn's arguing that there's a risk that the Tory government becomes as awful as the last Labour one was... so vote Labour.. !?dr_spyn said:Blair crushing dissent in Labour Party, Corbyn must have forgotten about that control freak Gordon Brown.
http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-insecure-theresa-may-will-make-damaging-mistakes-10855598
(Presumably the argument then proceeds that at least with Labour you know for certain the the country will be in peril)0 -
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Erdogan's banned Wikipedia:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39754909
But a BBC fail in the article: "People in the capital Istanbul ..."
Poor Ankara. Forgotten once again.0 -
Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election
Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.0 -
Quite disgraceful. The BBC really should be better than the pop up journalism that litters the internetJosiasJessop said:Erdogan's banned Wikipedia:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39754909
But a BBC fail in the article: "People in the capital Istanbul ..."
Poor Ankara. Forgotten once again.
Quick EDIT!!
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Carlotta, you do realise that's a spoof account, don't you?CarlottaVance said:Not sure this poll is going as Lady Nugee (sic) would wish:
https://twitter.com/LadyNugeeMP/status/858263707364806656
(I have to admit, it's a very good one. It nearly fooled me because it does resemble the vacuous unselfaware trash the egregious pseudo-Colonel puts on her twitter feed. And it's extremely funny. But it's still a spoof.)0 -
Yes - hence the (sic)ydoethur said:
Carlotta, you do realise that's a spoof account, don't you?CarlottaVance said:Not sure this poll is going as Lady Nugee (sic) would wish:
https://twitter.com/LadyNugeeMP/status/858263707364806656
(I have to admit, it's a very good one. It nearly fooled me because it does resemble the vacuous unselfaware trash the egregious pseudo-Colonel puts on her twitter feed. And it's extremely funny. But it's still a spoof.)0 -
Open EuropeVerified account @OpenEurope 12m12 minutes ago
Tajani: We approved the #Brexit guidelines but they are flexible and can be adapted throughout the negotiations #EUCO
Tajani: EU is not against the UK, I want to achieve a good agreement but we have to defend our rights #EUCO #Brexit
EP President @Antonio_Tajani: We're asking the UK to pay what's in the agreement, nothing more #EUCO #Brexit
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What do they do if JC resigns after next Thursday ?Pulpstar said:Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election
Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.0 -
Hopefully, the Scottish Tories will use "No More Catholics" as their campaign song.Cyan said:
Will SCON be adopting Tina Turner's "Simply the Best" as their campaign song?calum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........
It could be useful for inspiring crowd participation: words are often interpolated that start with "FTP" (and they don't mean file transfer protocol) and then express a similar sentiment towards a now defunct organisation. I won't post a link, but a websearch on "Lisa from Battalion" should help. And never mind charity red noses! Wear blue ones instead! Never mind J K Rowling either. Theresa and Ruth could praise the British identity of the Scottish Rangers fans who support the England football team.
Other interpolated words that may appeal are "No surrender" before "Send her victorious" in the British national anthem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAxwBy6Of4w0 -
I'm afraid that's right. I've voted Labour in every GE since my first vote in 1983 (Foot was infinitely preferable to Corbyn). This time I will vote LD. I am in a Lab held Lab/Tory marginal, so it's an easy way to vote against Labour without having to vote Tory (for which I really would need nosepeg and surgical gloves).Pulpstar said:Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election
Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.0 -
Depends who takes over. Tom Watson wouldn't bring me back.calum said:
What do they do if JC resigns after next Thursday ?Pulpstar said:Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election
Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.0 -
Predicatablewilliamglenn said:0 -
Watson I'd imagineThomasNashe said:
Depends who takes over ...calum said:
What do they do if JC resigns after next Thursday ?Pulpstar said:Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election
Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.0 -
It's not often I rub shoulders with the hoi-polloi, Pulpstar, but yesterday I was obliged to stand in the queue outside the doctor's and was fascinated to eavesdrop a lively political discusion. If it was at all representative, Corbyn is indeed the issue.Pulpstar said:Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election
Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.
The danger for May of course would be if these voters work out that his chances of getting into number 10 are next door to zero, and as a consequence feel safe to cast their vote on the basis of things like policies, candidates and the like. Labour may then well survive with a decent rump, though of course that leads to the possibilty that Corbyn and the Corbynistas then say 'Well, wasn't that bad, was it, lads?!' and decide to stay on as a consequence.
So tricky judgements to be made, by all parties, as well as the electorate.0 -
Who will check the fact checkers?JosiasJessop said:Erdogan's banned Wikipedia:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39754909
But a BBC fail in the article: "People in the capital Istanbul ..."
Poor Ankara. Forgotten once again.0 -
Keir Starmer possibly might lure me back and Stella Creasy definitely would.calum said:
Watson I'd imagineThomasNashe said:
Depends who takes over ...calum said:
What do they do if JC resigns after next Thursday ?Pulpstar said:Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election
Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.0 -
'No more Prods in Ibrox after the 5th Celtic goal' has a jaunty ring to it.Sean_F said:
Hopefully, the Scottish Tories will use "No More Catholics" as their campaign song.Cyan said:
Will SCON be adopting Tina Turner's "Simply the Best" as their campaign song?calum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........
It could be useful for inspiring crowd participation: words are often interpolated that start with "FTP" (and they don't mean file transfer protocol) and then express a similar sentiment towards a now defunct organisation. I won't post a link, but a websearch on "Lisa from Battalion" should help. And never mind charity red noses! Wear blue ones instead! Never mind J K Rowling either. Theresa and Ruth could praise the British identity of the Scottish Rangers fans who support the England football team.
Other interpolated words that may appeal are "No surrender" before "Send her victorious" in the British national anthem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAxwBy6Of4w0 -
Tajani: We approved the #Brexit guidelines but they are flexible and can be adapted throughout the negotiations #EUCOBig_G_NorthWales said:
Predicatablewilliamglenn said:0 -
The problem with that is that Corbyn will claim the credit, and deliberately fail to acknowledge the simple truth that people voted Labour despite, rather than because of him.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's not often I rub shoulders with the hoi-polloi, Pulpstar, but yesterday I was obliged to stand in the queue outside the doctor's and was fascinated to eavesdrop a lively political discusion. If it was at all representative, Corbyn is indeed the issue.Pulpstar said:Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election
Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.
The danger for May of course would be if these voters work out that his chances of getting into number 10 are next door to zero, and as a consequence feel safe to cast their vote on the basis of things like policies, candidates and the like. Labour may then well survive with a decent rump, though of course that leads to the possibilty that Corbyn and the Corbynistas then say 'Well, wasn't that bad, was it, lads?!' and decide to stay on as a consequence.
So tricky judgements to be made, by all parties, as well as the electorate.0 -
Corbyn the issue in England and Wales, Corbyn and Indy v Union in ScotlandPeter_the_Punter said:
It's not often I rub shoulders with the hoi-polloi, Pulpstar, but yesterday I was obliged to stand in the queue outside the doctor's and was fascinated to eavesdrop a lively political discusion. If it was at all representative, Corbyn is indeed the issue.Pulpstar said:Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election
Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.
The danger for May of course would be if these voters work out that his chances of getting into number 10 are next door to zero, and as a consequence feel safe to cast their vote on the basis of things like policies, candidates and the like. Labour may then well survive with a decent rump, though of course that leads to the possibilty that Corbyn and the Corbynistas then say 'Well, wasn't that bad, was it, lads?!' and decide to stay on as a consequence.
So tricky judgements to be made, by all parties, as well as the electorate.0 -
Ferrari front row.
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Is that Theresa (hide)Nigelb said:Ferrari front row.
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nunu said:
Tajani: We approved the #Brexit guidelines but they are flexible and can be adapted throughout the negotiations #EUCOBig_G_NorthWales said:
Predicatablewilliamglenn said:
Translation: We have no real idea how to handle the UK leaving so we are making it up as we go along.
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The Prody Vicar from Bread has been confirmed as the Tory candidate in Clacton.Theuniondivvie said:
'No more Prods in Ibrox after the 5th Celtic goal' has a jaunty ring to it.Sean_F said:
Hopefully, the Scottish Tories will use "No More Catholics" as their campaign song.Cyan said:
Will SCON be adopting Tina Turner's "Simply the Best" as their campaign song?calum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........
It could be useful for inspiring crowd participation: words are often interpolated that start with "FTP" (and they don't mean file transfer protocol) and then express a similar sentiment towards a now defunct organisation. I won't post a link, but a websearch on "Lisa from Battalion" should help. And never mind charity red noses! Wear blue ones instead! Never mind J K Rowling either. Theresa and Ruth could praise the British identity of the Scottish Rangers fans who support the England football team.
Other interpolated words that may appeal are "No surrender" before "Send her victorious" in the British national anthem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAxwBy6Of4w
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Sash Bash FM will be a bit lively this evening !!Theuniondivvie said:
'No more Prods in Ibrox after the 5th Celtic goal' has a jaunty ring to it.Sean_F said:
Hopefully, the Scottish Tories will use "No More Catholics" as their campaign song.Cyan said:
Will SCON be adopting Tina Turner's "Simply the Best" as their campaign song?calum said:
"We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!Richard_Tyndall said:
Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?calum said:
The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!Theuniondivvie said:
There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.surbiton said:I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.
A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.
The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.
Well, if there was PR........
It could be useful for inspiring crowd participation: words are often interpolated that start with "FTP" (and they don't mean file transfer protocol) and then express a similar sentiment towards a now defunct organisation. I won't post a link, but a websearch on "Lisa from Battalion" should help. And never mind charity red noses! Wear blue ones instead! Never mind J K Rowling either. Theresa and Ruth could praise the British identity of the Scottish Rangers fans who support the England football team.
Other interpolated words that may appeal are "No surrender" before "Send her victorious" in the British national anthem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAxwBy6Of4w0 -
ThomasNashe said:
The problem with that is that Corbyn will claim the credit, and deliberately fail to acknowledge the simple truth that people voted Labour despite, rather than because of him.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's not often I rub shoulders with the hoi-polloi, Pulpstar, but yesterday I was obliged to stand in the queue outside the doctor's and was fascinated to eavesdrop a lively political discusion. If it was at all representative, Corbyn is indeed the issue.Pulpstar said:Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election
Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.
The danger for May of course would be if these voters work out that his chances of getting into number 10 are next door to zero, and as a consequence feel safe to cast their vote on the basis of things like policies, candidates and the like. Labour may then well survive with a decent rump, though of course that leads to the possibilty that Corbyn and the Corbynistas then say 'Well, wasn't that bad, was it, lads?!' and decide to stay on as a consequence.
So tricky judgements to be made, by all parties, as well as the electorate.
True. To get rid of Corbyn, Labour must be smashed hard enough to hurt.
To save the party we had to destroy the party...
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I would be wary of going anywhere that Mr Starmer might seek to lure you?ThomasNashe said:
Keir Starmer possibly might lure me back and Stella Creasy definitely would.calum said:
Watson I'd imagineThomasNashe said:
Depends who takes over ...calum said:
What do they do if JC resigns after next Thursday ?Pulpstar said:Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election
Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.0 -
It really does look like it. They may be singing harmony at present but I suspect there are some very serious divisions within the EU which will come out.MarkHopkins said:nunu said:
Tajani: We approved the #Brexit guidelines but they are flexible and can be adapted throughout the negotiations #EUCOBig_G_NorthWales said:
Predicatablewilliamglenn said:
Translation: We have no real idea how to handle the UK leaving so we are making it up as we go along.
We are also seeing the downside of wanting to be transparent
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Yes Thomas, I suppose the question is how low the Labour seats total has to go before Corbyn concedes he's the problem. I suspect he and his supporters think the figure is one, as long as that one is Islington. Others may have other ideas however.ThomasNashe said:
The problem with that is that Corbyn will claim the credit, and deliberately fail to acknowledge the simple truth that people voted Labour despite, rather than because of him.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's not often I rub shoulders with the hoi-polloi, Pulpstar, but yesterday I was obliged to stand in the queue outside the doctor's and was fascinated to eavesdrop a lively political discusion. If it was at all representative, Corbyn is indeed the issue.Pulpstar said:Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election
Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.
The danger for May of course would be if these voters work out that his chances of getting into number 10 are next door to zero, and as a consequence feel safe to cast their vote on the basis of things like policies, candidates and the like. Labour may then well survive with a decent rump, though of course that leads to the possibilty that Corbyn and the Corbynistas then say 'Well, wasn't that bad, was it, lads?!' and decide to stay on as a consequence.
So tricky judgements to be made, by all parties, as well as the electorate.
What do you think - 150 the point of no return?0
