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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    PaulM said:

    MikeL said:

    It's human nature of course but people on here have always been much keener to report their betting winnings rather than their losses.

    One particular thing comes to mind - just before GE 2015 numerous people posted on here repeatedly that No Overall Majority was "completely free money" at very, very short odds - below 1.1 from memory. It seems certain to me that a lot of people must have lost an awful lot of money on that - but funnily very little was ever said about it.

    Perhaps but remember many pb punters would have reversed their positions as the early results trickled in, much as was the case with Euref and potus. Any astroturfers stuck at their counts might have lost, I suppose.
    Yes, remember well having about a grand coming in on Bush in 2004 and laying it off at a loss after someone posted leaked exit polls of Kerry winning North Carolina..
    More recently I laid off all my 20+ Macron bets when I scientifically determined that although he could beat either Le Pen or Fillon in a run-off, there was no path for him actually to reach the final two. A couple of days later, Fillon imploded.

    And in the last couple of weeks my horsey-betting has gone pear-shaped. One of the filters I use to quickly rule out no-hopers has crossed out a lot of big-priced winners lately, including today. I'm not yet sure if it's just a glitch or if there has been a fundamental change in racing.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,981
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

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    Exactly. Corbyn is a symptom of the problem and not THE problem. Labour members need to realise that the way back to relevance, if not power, is to get Conservative voters to a switch to them. They need to cherish Tory voters.

    Isn't that dangerously close to the old mantra of the wrong kind of electorate? Far be it from me to support the Momentum mob but historically they are just as much a part of the Labour party as the Blairites. As such if they are now in control and want the candidates to reflect their views then the centrists will either have to accept or split. Centrists seem to advocate people changing their principles for electoral advantage. I would have thought that the last couple of years show that is not necessarily the way to get what you want.
    It's a tension. You need to appeal to voters of the other party while holding onto a core programme your activists are happy to work towards. There's no point pretending to be a clone of the other party, otherwise voters will stick with the real thing and your activists will become disillusioned.You want to present yourself as different and better than the other party in ways that appeal to some voters of that party.

    Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair and Alex Salmond all managed the tension successfully for a while. Theresa May looks like she could do it too.
    'The Momentum mob' have been around for a long time. Corbyn for example. All the 'socialist worker' (aka non-worker) and Kennist stuff. My hunch is that they all got shuffled off to ghastly Polytechnics, which somehow became universities. Blair pumped lots of students into these educational vacuums, but political madrassas, and lo and behold we have a whole load of unemployable Corbyn voters.

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