Can somebody explain something to me? If free movement of labour is such a massive benefit. Why doesn't the EU want to punish us by removing it from us?
They want us to be the employer of last resort, for unemployed Europeans.
Aberdeen makes sense, Aberdeen South and WAK are both top targets.
If the Tories don't take WAK it will have been an extremely disappointing night for them in Scotland once again. I think it is pretty nailed on.
Aberdeen is a very unhappy place these days on the back of the oil crash. The difference in Union Street is palpable with a good number of the best restaurants (and Jamie Oliver) gone. 3 years ago when I was staying there overnight for a Court case getting change out of £150 a night was difficult. Recently I got an aparthotel in the centre for £80. Speaking to locals the perception seems to be that the SNP are far more interested in the central belt than them (this is a recurring theme throughout the north east) and have done too little to help. It would not surprise me if Aberdeen South is in play.
The combination of the oil price crash and the fisheries in the NE of Scotland is the best place to look for anti SNP swings.
I am not at all sure there is much value left though, and that seems to be Mr Meeks conclusion too.
I agree. Such value as there is is probably identifying where the Tories are likely to fall short (like Perth) and betting accordingly, a bit like Labour seats in England.
Hooray, thank you for steering us back to topic!
Out of curiosity, why do you think the Tories will fall short in Perth?
See my comments at 7.13. It is a constituency I know fairly well.
The most 'British' place is in Oldham - where 43% were born outside the UK.
The least 'British' place is in Dundee - where only 4% were born outside the UK, but it is strongly SNP with "education and economic indicators significantly below average"
"British" equals xenophibic right wing fascists perhaps, hence why they are rare north of the border
Dr. Foxinsox, I thought hipster chic was all about being a pretentious twit.
But there we are. I'm just a grizzled morris dancer from Yorkshire who finds the concept of a shop selling sticks, within walking distance of a park, bloody ridiculous.
I don't see why: it's in the grand tradition of selling fools over-priced goods and services. In fact, it's a very Conservative thing to do.
Can somebody explain something to me? If free movement of labour is such a massive benefit. Why doesn't the EU want to punish us by removing it from us?
They are committed to 'no cherry picking'. We have willingly ceded the right of freedom to move. They clearly don't see that as a 'cherry'.
However, I'm bald and have glasses, so the peak keeps the rain off my spectacles, in the cold helps to keep my head warm and on sunny days stops it getting burnt.
Mr. Jessop, clearly, pricing my books reasonably was an error on my part
Dr. Foxinsox, I thought hipster chic was all about being a pretentious twit.
But there we are. I'm just a grizzled morris dancer from Yorkshire who finds the concept of a shop selling sticks, within walking distance of a park, bloody ridiculous.
I don't see why: it's in the grand tradition of selling fools over-priced goods and services. In fact, it's a very Conservative thing to do.
Witness Apple ...
Not to mention selling people cat excrement and weasel vomit as expensive coffee.
"PS – there won’t be any long-winded negotiations. You’re an idiot if you think so. We will be out in far less than 2 years, certainly before the next EU elections. May will make a couple of attempts at negotiating, announce it’s pointless due to EU intransigence and we will simply walk away."
I agree that is a very likely outcome, and also why May wants such a big majority before it becomes obvious.
Not so much likely as damn near certain. If they're going to start blaming us for their own complete inability to negotiate sensible leases, still more charge us for that failure, then it's clear they don't want to actually talk about anything at all.
There seem to be big risks in that approach to me. If we leave, and it makes little or no difference to our economy despite the threats, it seems likely other nations will quickly follow. If we leave and it causes a financial crash, the contagion could bring down Deutsche Bank and all bets on the euro's survival are off.
They are gambling that there will be a punishment severe enough to discourage others, yet not bad enough to destroy them. A very narrow window. But there, they seem so blinded by their obsessive love for their creation and hatred of those 52% who rejected their project that it hasn't occurred to them that they are risking everything to make a wholly unnecessary point.
I don't particularly want another Brexit thread, but the EU is right that Brexit is punishment enough. They are simply agreeing that Brexit means Brexit, and accepting of the referendum result.
Britain will survive, but it will change the country, quite possibly break it up. Britain will look more like Jaywick and less like Brighton, but that is a feature not a bug.
Swings and roundabouts. I don;t want to be more like Jaywick, but less like Brighton is fine by me. There's only so much vegan carrot cake a man can eat.
I am quite partial to carrot cake, but Leavers would be well advised to adopt the lifestyle of Remainers in terms of diet and exercise. Vegetarianism and hipster bikes keep you healthy.
An 80 year old man goes to the doctor and asks if he'll live to 100.
The doctor asks: "do you ever drink?", and the man says "no".
"Do you ever smoke?" -- "No".
"Do you ever have sex?" -- "Doctor, of course not!"
And the doctor asks "then why on earth do you want to live to 100?"
Can somebody explain something to me? If free movement of labour is such a massive benefit. Why doesn't the EU want to punish us by removing it from us?
They want us to be the employer of last resort, for unemployed Europeans.
Off topic, but I hope the BBC have learned from CNN's election coverage in 2016. We want more maps/numbers than talking heads.
Can you really imagine the BBC providing maps and numbers when all they will do will be to emphasise the magnitude of the Conservative lead? At least talking heads can say any drivel - and only the extreme right ones will be interrupted. <\sarc>
Maybe they'll start of news reports on the election with some other word than 'Labour'.
One thing - they're going to find QT audiences harder to fill up.
The above is a large project that has been mooted for a while but has always, always been in trouble. Mainly this is because it is being run (at the governments end) by morons, because as with all large projects in Wales that involve the government it is all done by a closed group of mainly men that all know each other. It needs breaking up if Wales is to develop, the Tories may be the one to do it...but...they are hardly an open minded group themselves. If Labour are neutered then it has to lead to a more open and commercially minded government, not another group of backslappers.
"PS – there won’t be any long-winded negotiations. You’re an idiot if you think so. We will be out in far less than 2 years, certainly before the next EU elections. May will make a couple of attempts at negotiating, announce it’s pointless due to EU intransigence and we will simply walk away."
I agree that is a very likely outcome, and also why May wants such a big majority before it becomes obvious.
Not so much likely as damn near certain. If they're going to start blaming us for their own complete inability to negotiate sensible leases, still more charge us for that failure, then it's clear they don't want to actually talk about anything at all.
There seem to be big risks in that approach to me. If we leave, and it makes little or no difference to our economy despite the threats, it seems likely other nations will quickly follow. If we leave and it causes a financial crash, the contagion could bring down Deutsche Bank and all bets on the euro's survival are off.
They are gambling that there will be a punishment severe enough to discourage others, yet not bad enough to destroy them. A very narrow window. But there, they seem so blinded by their obsessive love for their creation and hatred of those 52% who rejected their project that it hasn't occurred to them that they are risking everything to make a wholly unnecessary point.
I don't particularly want another Brexit thread, but the EU is right that Brexit is punishment enough. They are simply agreeing that Brexit means Brexit, and accepting of the referendum result.
Britain will survive, but it will change the country, quite possibly break it up. Britain will look more like Jaywick and less like Brighton, but that is a feature not a bug.
Swings and roundabouts. I don;t want to be more like Jaywick, but less like Brighton is fine by me. There's only so much vegan carrot cake a man can eat.
I am quite partial to carrot cake, but Leavers would be well advised to adopt the lifestyle of Remainers in terms of diet and exercise. Vegetarianism and hipster bikes keep you healthy.
An 80 year old man goes to the doctor and asks if he'll live to 100.
The doctor asks: "do you ever drink?", and the man says "no".
"Do you ever smoke?" -- "No".
"Do you ever have sex?" -- "Doctor, of course not!"
And the doctor asks "then why on earth do you want to live to 100?"
Teetotallers don't live longer. It just feels longer.....
(Grain of truth - moderate drinkers live longest of all)
The most 'British' place is in Oldham - where 43% were born outside the UK.
The least 'British' place is in Dundee - where only 4% were born outside the UK, but it is strongly SNP with "education and economic indicators significantly below average"
"British" equals xenophibic right wing fascists
with 43% of them born outside the UK? Mind you, the Dundee SNP crowd did have education... indicators significantly below average"
Malcy is a bit sniffy this morning.. the prospect of losing all those seats. Don't choke on your cornflakes Malc.
Square Root, you are surely not suggesting that a good Scotsman like Malcolm eats American rubbish like cornflakes rather than proper food like porage?
F1: just under an hour and a half until third and final practice.
The season so far has been immensely tightly balanced, and a key strength for Mercedes has been dominance in qualifying. Looking like that might be under threat (I wonder if that's due to the ban on oil-burning?). If so, Vettel perhaps should be favourite for the title.
The Courier & Aberdeen Press & Journal between them sell more than ten times as many.....
Who cares, I note you do your Tory thing by ignoring the story and vomiting some rabid bile about Scotland. Go stir your cauldron or count how much tax you have avoided will make you happier , you appear to lead a sad negative life , spending most of your days on hatred. Enjoy life , get over your disappointment of having to leave Scotland because you could not hack it.
An 80 year old man goes to the doctor and asks if he'll live to 100.
The doctor asks: "do you ever drink?", and the man says "no".
"Do you ever smoke?" -- "No".
"Do you ever have sex?" -- "Doctor, of course not!"
And the doctor asks "then why on earth do you want to live to 100?"
Teetotallers don't live longer. It just feels longer.....
(Grain of truth - moderate drinkers live longest of all)
There's a Soviet joke on those lines. The questions are asked by the Party Secretary if an applicant will give up all those things for the Party. The punchline is, 'would you give up your life for the Party?' And the reply is: 'Of course. Who needs such a life?'
Interesting summary. The Conservatives will do well where they are the main challenger to the SNP. It gets complicated where there is more than one Unionist challenger in play. The Holyrood election showed Unionist tactical voting can be powerful, but it depends on voters' perceptions of who the best placed challenger is. If there's a confusion about it, the SNP will squeeze through by default. I would expect Labour to go through in Edinburgh South and have a very good chance of doing so in East Lothian. It might be one of the only seats Labour could actually gain in this election. Bear in mind the Labour collapse largely already happened by the previous elections.
Morning Malc - hope you have a good day - politics in Scotland has become very interesting and I am making no predictions other than Nicola finds herself in the fight of her life in this GE
Off topic, but I hope the BBC have learned from CNN's election coverage in 2016. We want more maps/numbers than talking heads.
Can you really imagine the BBC providing maps and numbers when all they will do will be to emphasise the magnitude of the Conservative lead? At least talking heads can say any drivel - and only the extreme right ones will be interrupted. <\sarc>
Maybe they'll start of news reports on the election with some other word than 'Labour'.
One thing - they're going to find QT audiences harder to fill up.
BBC election coverage is chaired by a Tory, so if he does cut off those on the right, maybe it is because he is a professional not a partisan. More likely it is your own prejudices that blind you to his doing the same to the lefties and centrists.
The problem with the BBC's election coverage is that it has been dumbed down to appeal to people who are probably asleep in bed anyway. The information is there but disguised by clowning and video-game graphics. It will also seem slow because the BBC waits for official results whereas rivals do not (and if they have to correct one or two seats later on, who cares? They got the other 648 right and a lot faster than the BBC).
The above is a large project that has been mooted for a while but has always, always been in trouble. Mainly this is because it is being run (at the governments end) by morons, because as with all large projects in Wales that involve the government it is all done by a closed group of mainly men that all know each other. It needs breaking up if Wales is to develop, the Tories may be the one to do it...but...they are hardly an open minded group themselves. If Labour are neutered then it has to lead to a more open and commercially minded government, not another group of backslappers.
From your description, I knew what that link would be about before I even clicked on it.
Mr. L, the stupid graphics are utterly insane. Having Ming Campbell as a rapper or Jeremy Vine pretending to be a cowboy at 2am or 3am is demented. Any casually interested person will have been asleep for hours, those awake will, by definition, be really into politics and wanting some actual analysis rather than idiotic gimmickry.
Just one more reason PB is the place to be on election night.
According to Electoral Calculus Pete Wishart is going to hold on in Perth and North Perthshire by 0.3%. I did some canvassing in that seat in 2015. We had quite a strong local candidate, Alex Stewart, who was a popular and hard working councillor in Perth. He is now an MSP. The Tory vote went up but not by nearly as much as Wishart's did and he got just over 50% of the vote.
I would really like the Tories to be very close or even take this seat and I will be spending time there again myself but it seems remarkable to me that it is thought to be in play at all. I have met Ian Duncan, the MEP who is the candidate this time around. He is very bright, articulate and personable but frankly nowhere nearly as well known in the Constituency as Alex was.
Alastair may be right in that this may be another wave election where the quality of the candidate doesn't really matter that much. I am not sure in a General Election, as opposed to a bye election, how important the candidate is anyway these days. Political campaigning seems to be ever more a series of photo-ops by the leaders and I really wonder how much good leaflets etc at local level do. That said, even though I find him irritating Wishart seems pretty popular and he is a lot more high profile than most of the 56 the SNP originally sent to Westminster.
If I was betting on this seat it would be on the SNP. But I couldn't bring myself to do that.
David, if only there were more decent Tories like yourself about , they may actually make some inroads. The stables need a good clear out before that will happen though. Must be the Scottish pysche but Scottish Tories seem to have to be even nastier to prove how Tory they are, especially those who could not hack it in Scotland and slunk away to whine from afar.
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
The above is a large project that has been mooted for a while but has always, always been in trouble. Mainly this is because it is being run (at the governments end) by morons, because as with all large projects in Wales that involve the government it is all done by a closed group of mainly men that all know each other. It needs breaking up if Wales is to develop, the Tories may be the one to do it...but...they are hardly an open minded group themselves. If Labour are neutered then it has to lead to a more open and commercially minded government, not another group of backslappers.
From your description, I knew what that link would be about before I even clicked on it.
I hope *everyone* involved with this mess get to pay back the pubic's money. The project was clearly borken from the start.
My home town of Nottingham is no better, project after pointless project. A few years ago one of the last disused railway arches (some of the rest are used by the tram) from when we were on the mainline was demolished as it was a "fire hazard", it was one of the few land marks left in the city that related to the old railways. It was taken down to make way for development....that has never happened because they never actually got anything in writing. That just about sums up half of the city centre, the most successful part is Victorian/Edwardian or private sector and the dumps are all city council owned and run.
Aberdeen makes sense, Aberdeen South and WAK are both top targets.
If the Tories don't take WAK it will have been an extremely disappointing night for them in Scotland once again. I think it is pretty nailed on.
Aberdeen is a very unhappy place these days on the back of the oil crash. The difference in Union Street is palpable with a good number of the best restaurants (and Jamie Oliver) gone. 3 years ago when I was staying there overnight for a Court case getting change out of £150 a night was difficult. Recently I got an aparthotel in the centre for £80. Speaking to locals the perception seems to be that the SNP are far more interested in the central belt than them (this is a recurring theme throughout the north east) and have done too little to help. It would not surprise me if Aberdeen South is in play.
*IF* (and it's still a big if, of course,) the independence drive goes off the boil and we get more of a return to politics as usual in Scotland, then one possible end point is that the electoral map goes all the way back to the 70s or 80s, only with the SNP taking the place of Labour. That being the case, the SNP would remain the largest party, but with its strength predominantly concentrated in the central belt. The Tories and Lib Dems would carve up the rest of the country between them, with the SNP being driven back into 3 or 4 redoubts, perhaps fewer. You can see them being left with nothing north of Fife, save for Dundee. But that remains to be seen, of course.
If people fall over in England and get knocked sensible we can expect labour to have a big majority and Tories to be reduced to the leafy shires and toffsville only.
Malcy is a bit sniffy this morning.. the prospect of losing all those seats. Don't choke on your cornflakes Malc.
Square Root, you are surely not suggesting that a good Scotsman like Malcolm eats American rubbish like cornflakes rather than proper food like porage?
Malcs an authentic Scot all right.... sent here to troll the non believers.
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
The author of the Bloomberg article had previously claimed that the EU were set to demand that EU citizens resident in the UK for 5 years be given permanent residency - that's current UK Law
Morning Malc - hope you have a good day - politics in Scotland has become very interesting and I am making no predictions other than Nicola finds herself in the fight of her life in this GE
Morning G, busy day ahead. I have to paint the external doors , garage etc so hoping it stays decent weather.
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
Aberdeen makes sense, Aberdeen South and WAK are both top targets.
If the Tories don't take WAK it will have been an extremely disappointing night for them in Scotland once again. I think it is pretty nailed on.
Aberdeen is a very unhappy place these days on the back of the oil crash. The difference in Union Street is palpable with a good number of the best restaurants (and Jamie Oliver) gone. 3 years ago when I was staying there overnight for a Court case getting change out of £150 a night was difficult. Recently I got an aparthotel in the centre for £80. Speaking to locals the perception seems to be that the SNP are far more interested in the central belt than them (this is a recurring theme throughout the north east) and have done too little to help. It would not surprise me if Aberdeen South is in play.
*IF* (and it's still a big if, of course,) the independence drive goes off the boil and we get more of a return to politics as usual in Scotland, then one possible end point is that the electoral map goes all the way back to the 70s or 80s, only with the SNP taking the place of Labour. That being the case, the SNP would remain the largest party, but with its strength predominantly concentrated in the central belt. The Tories and Lib Dems would carve up the rest of the country between them, with the SNP being driven back into 3 or 4 redoubts, perhaps fewer. You can see them being left with nothing north of Fife, save for Dundee. But that remains to be seen, of course.
If people fall over in England and get knocked sensible we can expect labour to have a big majority and Tories to be reduced to the leafy shires and toffsville only.
I don't think any of us see the SNP falling below 40 seats, at worst, which is a hefty margin of victory.
Sky's paper review featured an article by the Times that states that the EU expect the UK to captulate to their demands as they have received private assurances that TM is prepared to accept a politically toxic deal.
The anger in the study was palpable and will be in homes throughout the UK.
I believe TM may will react to this by saying we are leaving with no agreement, eu citizens in the UK can stay but are subject to UK law and we will trade on WTO rules. End of story
Aberdeen makes sense, Aberdeen South and WAK are both top targets.
If the Tories don't take WAK it will have been an extremely disappointing night for them in Scotland once again. I think it is pretty nailed on.
Aberdeen is a very unhappy place these days on the back of the oil crash. The difference in Union Street is palpable with a good number of the best restaurants (and Jamie Oliver) gone. 3 years ago when I was staying there overnight for a Court case getting change out of £150 a night was difficult. Recently I got an aparthotel in the centre for £80. Speaking to locals the perception seems to be that the SNP are far more interested in the central belt than them (this is a recurring theme throughout the north east) and have done too little to help. It would not surprise me if Aberdeen South is in play.
*IF* (and it's still a big if, of course,) the independence drive goes off the boil and we get more of a return to politics as usual in Scotland, then one possible end point is that the electoral map goes all the way back to the 70s or 80s, only with the SNP taking the place of Labour. That being the case, the SNP would remain the largest party, but with its strength predominantly concentrated in the central belt. The Tories and Lib Dems would carve up the rest of the country between them, with the SNP being driven back into 3 or 4 redoubts, perhaps fewer. You can see them being left with nothing north of Fife, save for Dundee. But that remains to be seen, of course.
If people fall over in England and get knocked sensible we can expect labour to have a big majority and Tories to be reduced to the leafy shires and toffsville only.
I don't think any of us see the SNP falling below 40 seats, at worst, which is a hefty margin of victory.
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
The author of the Bloomberg article had previously claimed that the EU were set to demand that EU citizens resident in the UK for 5 years be given permanent residency - that's current UK Law
Acceding to demands will be easy when it means we can just leave things as they are. It's the path of least resistance.
So today the PM is going to Aberdeen and Jeremy Corbyn is going to Shoreditch.
He hasn't got the right type of beard for shoreditch.
Hipster chic is all about "authenticity", hence the adoption of artisan bread, craft beer, tattoos, lumberjack shirts etc. Jezza actually fits this well, but really because he politically dates from a Seventies counter-culture hybridisation of "The Good Life" and "Citizen Smith". I am not so sure that he would be friends with Margot Leadbetter though.
Margot - "Jerry, I've just heard on the wireless. That man Corbyn is traversing Surbiton to campaign on one of the council estates?
Jerry - "Really dear ...."
Margot - "Don't just 'really dear' me Jerry. We need a petition to stop him. We'll have a soiree this evening to arrange the matter. Jerry you'll need to go to Fortnum's and Harrod's for provisions and get Mrs Dooms-Paterson's reinforced chair out of the gazebo ..."
Jerry - "What ?!?!?"
Margot - "Heavens above. Your name !!!!!!! .... Jeremy !!!!! .... I'm sorry Jerry but it'll have to be changed. We can't possibly have any association with that Communist. What would members of the Pony Club and Residents Association think !! ...."
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
It is exactly what the Brexiteers have said all along. The EU are fools and unless they relent in early negotiations we will be lead out by TM with the backing of the Nation. We will not be disrespected by anyone
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
Can somebody explain something to me? If free movement of labour is such a massive benefit. Why doesn't the EU want to punish us by removing it from us?
They want us to be the employer of last resort, for unemployed Europeans.
No remainers with a serious answer?
The EU doesn't want to punish us.
We have decided to leave and sacrifice freedom of movement.
FoM benefits us and the EU so not surprising they aren't thrilled about this.
Just because ending FoM is popular in the UK doesn't mean it will be beneficial.
Malcy is a bit sniffy this morning.. the prospect of losing all those seats. Don't choke on your cornflakes Malc.
Square Root, you are surely not suggesting that a good Scotsman like Malcolm eats American rubbish like cornflakes rather than proper food like porage?
Malcs an authentic Scot all right.... sent here to troll the non believers.
Just had Granola with blueberries and an orange to freshen the palate afterwards , with a nice mug of tea. Normal fare is indeed porridge , Organic and whole oats of course with blueberries and raspberries.
Morning Malc - hope you have a good day - politics in Scotland has become very interesting and I am making no predictions other than Nicola finds herself in the fight of her life in this GE
Morning G, busy day ahead. I have to paint the external doors , garage etc so hoping it stays decent weather.
Great way to relax Malc and then catch up on tonights news Ruth and Theresa's crusade to the North East and the fisher folk
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
It is exactly what the Brexiteers have said all along. The EU are fools and unless they relent in early negotiations we will be lead out by TM with the backing of the Nation. We will not be disrespected by anyone
The coming humiliation will be bitter and painful for some, but it cannot be avoided. That's why Cameron was so quick to leave the stage.
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
It is exactly what the Brexiteers have said all along. The EU are fools and unless they relent in early negotiations we will be lead out by TM with the backing of the Nation. We will not be disrespected by anyone
That makes us sound like a stroppy teenager, going around saying ''spect'.
And if you don't want people to disrespect you, it's a good idea not to disrespect them yourself.
LOL, next you will be telling the shouty bulldog is a great speaker. You Tories cannot suffer that SNP speak with gravitas and presence whilst your moingrel whines and slavers shouting like a fishwife.
What is betting on May meeting a real member of the public in Scotland today , 1000 - 1.
Malcy is a bit sniffy this morning.. the prospect of losing all those seats. Don't choke on your cornflakes Malc.
Square Root, you are surely not suggesting that a good Scotsman like Malcolm eats American rubbish like cornflakes rather than proper food like porage?
Malcs an authentic Scot all right.... sent here to troll the non believers.
Just had Granola with blueberries and an orange to freshen the palate afterwards , with a nice mug of tea. Normal fare is indeed porridge , Organic and whole oats of course with blueberries and raspberries.
Non authentic Malc. Bit of sugar and a pinch of Salt. You've gone all metro... are you actually posting from Scotland
Sky's paper review featured an article by the Times that states that the EU expect the UK to captulate to their demands as they have received private assurances that TM is prepared to accept a politically toxic deal.
The anger in the study was palpable and will be in homes throughout the UK.
I believe TM may will react to this by saying we are leaving with no agreement, eu citizens in the UK can stay but are subject to UK law and we will trade on WTO rules. End of story
G , be sad for you but she will sell you down the river, this squad of cheating lying losers are in it for themselves, hence why buying time with election against the hapless Labour. It si to save them after they give it all away on Brexit. Trouble ahead.
Can somebody explain something to me? If free movement of labour is such a massive benefit. Why doesn't the EU want to punish us by removing it from us?
They want us to be the employer of last resort, for unemployed Europeans.
No remainers with a serious answer?
The EU doesn't want to punish us.
We have decided to leave and sacrifice freedom of movement.
FoM benefits us and the EU so not surprising they aren't thrilled about this.
Just because ending FoM is popular in the UK doesn't mean it will be beneficial.
We haven't sacrificed free movement. It's being imposed on us as part of any deal. Why?
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
It is exactly what the Brexiteers have said all along. The EU are fools and unless they relent in early negotiations we will be lead out by TM with the backing of the Nation. We will not be disrespected by anyone
That makes us sound like a stroppy teenager, going around saying ''spect'.
And if you don't want people to disrespect you, it's a good idea not to disrespect them yourself.
Being polite but firm is usually the best strategy in negotiations. If people make ridiculous demands, then you just tell them there's no deal.
The above is a large project that has been mooted for a while but has always, always been in trouble. Mainly this is because it is being run (at the governments end) by morons, because as with all large projects in Wales that involve the government it is all done by a closed group of mainly men that all know each other. It needs breaking up if Wales is to develop, the Tories may be the one to do it...but...they are hardly an open minded group themselves. If Labour are neutered then it has to lead to a more open and commercially minded government, not another group of backslappers.
From your description, I knew what that link would be about before I even clicked on it.
I hope *everyone* involved with this mess get to pay back the pubic's money. The project was clearly borken from the start.
My home town of Nottingham is no better, project after pointless project. A few years ago one of the last disused railway arches (some of the rest are used by the tram) from when we were on the mainline was demolished as it was a "fire hazard", it was one of the few land marks left in the city that related to the old railways. It was taken down to make way for development....that has never happened because they never actually got anything in writing. That just about sums up half of the city centre, the most successful part is Victorian/Edwardian or private sector and the dumps are all city council owned and run.
The sad thing is that I think I knew the arches you're referring to well - aren't they the Great Central to Midland curve to the south of Victoria station? (Can't remember the name - something curve)
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
It is exactly what the Brexiteers have said all along. The EU are fools and unless they relent in early negotiations we will be lead out by TM with the backing of the Nation. We will not be disrespected by anyone
The coming humiliation will be bitter and painful for some, but it cannot be avoided. That's why Cameron was so quick to leave the stage.
The humiliation will not be the UK's. If we walk away it will fracture the EU member states and cause a massive crisis for them
You Tories cannot suffer that SNP speak with gravitas and presence
ROFLMAO
Pete Wishart
Angus MacNeil
They can barely string a sentence together
Nearly as bad as that shouty twat with the combover on QT thursday, looked like a support character from Taggart and spoke like one too. All he could do was jab and get aggressive, the moment he was pushed he was easily confused and all over the place. Made Damien Green look normal.
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
It is exactly what the Brexiteers have said all along. The EU are fools and unless they relent in early negotiations we will be lead out by TM with the backing of the Nation. We will not be disrespected by anyone
That makes us sound like a stroppy teenager, going around saying ''spect'.
And if you don't want people to disrespect you, it's a good idea not to disrespect them yourself.
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
It is exactly what the Brexiteers have said all along. The EU are fools and unless they relent in early negotiations we will be lead out by TM with the backing of the Nation. We will not be disrespected by anyone
The coming humiliation will be bitter and painful for some, but it cannot be avoided.
Yes, apparently the revelation that so few fellow Brits share your dreams of a federal EU wasn't humiliating enough so you're back for more.
I don't think any of us see the SNP falling below 40 seats, at worst, which is a hefty margin of victory.
Dropping from 56 to 40 is not really a victory though.
Nicola and Ruth visit a casino. Nicola has 56 chips, Ruth has 1.
When they leave, Nicola has 45 chips, and Ruth has 10, some of which used to be Nicola's
Only one of them was a winner...
Not too bright are you Scott, in football or rugby 45-10 is same result as 56-1 , the one with the low number is a LOSER. IT IS FIRST PAST THE POST. Surely you do not need that expained in simple terms for numpties. You can bleat all you like but trying to pretend Black is white is pretty stupid even for you.
Can somebody explain something to me? If free movement of labour is such a massive benefit. Why doesn't the EU want to punish us by removing it from us?
They want us to be the employer of last resort, for unemployed Europeans.
No remainers with a serious answer?
The EU doesn't want to punish us.
We have decided to leave and sacrifice freedom of movement.
FoM benefits us and the EU so not surprising they aren't thrilled about this.
Just because ending FoM is popular in the UK doesn't mean it will be beneficial.
We haven't sacrificed free movement. It's being imposed on us as part of any deal. Why?
I'm confused. I thought we were the ones wanting to end freedom of movement? So how is it being imposed on us?
And as one Tory MSP told me, a good SNP result is also a good result for Tories. Because if Labour is crushed on May 4, the Tories become the last line of defence for the Union. That means the General Election becomes even more polarised, and voters who oppose a second referendum get funnelled into the blue column. Labour, meanwhile, would probably turn inward and start squabbling over Ms Dugdale’s future.
Yes, that suits the SNP, said the MSP, but it also brings new people to the Tories, and the Tories don’t need to win the election to stymie a referendum, they just need to burst the SNP’s bubble and paint Ms Sturgeon as a leader on the slide. Then it’s on to the 2021 Holyrood election and a reprise of the slogan that put the SNP into power in 2007 – time for change.
Mr. Jim, one hopes you weren't contaminated by hipsterism. Symptoms include: over-groomed facial hair the sudden desire to serve food on pieces of slate or driftwood the confusion of pretentiousness for authenticity.
Mr. Saddened, it's like the Bible Belt's view of sex. It's dirty and horrid and sinful and will damned you forever, and you should save it for your wife.
Edited extra bit: damn*, obviously.
Morning, Mr.D.
I think you present the extreme version of hipsterism - like conservatism, it's a fairly broad church. And most importantly, they do very good coffee - even in Yorkshire.
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
It is exactly what the Brexiteers have said all along. The EU are fools and unless they relent in early negotiations we will be lead out by TM with the backing of the Nation. We will not be disrespected by anyone
That makes us sound like a stroppy teenager, going around saying ''spect'.
And if you don't want people to disrespect you, it's a good idea not to disrespect them yourself.
The disrespect is coming from the EU
Using terms like 'The EU are fools' is hardly respectful, even if you feel it's true.
Malcy is a bit sniffy this morning.. the prospect of losing all those seats. Don't choke on your cornflakes Malc.
Square Root, you are surely not suggesting that a good Scotsman like Malcolm eats American rubbish like cornflakes rather than proper food like porage?
Malcs an authentic Scot all right.... sent here to troll the non believers.
Just had Granola with blueberries and an orange to freshen the palate afterwards , with a nice mug of tea. Normal fare is indeed porridge , Organic and whole oats of course with blueberries and raspberries.
Non authentic Malc. Bit of sugar and a pinch of Salt. You've gone all metro... are you actually posting from Scotland
Square , sugar and salt are bad for you , should be in moderation. My good wife will have already added the salt during preparation, sugar is a no no , that is for jessies
Not too bright are you Scott, in football or rugby 45-10 is same result as 56-1 , the one with the low number is a LOSER. IT IS FIRST PAST THE POST. Surely you do not need that expained in simple terms for numpties. You can bleat all you like but trying to pretend Black is white is pretty stupid even for you.
On the morning after, if the result is 45-10, Ruth will be smiling and Nicola will look like she is chewing a nettle.
This doesn't quite match the Brexiteer rhetoric this morning
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
It is exactly what the Brexiteers have said all along. The EU are fools and unless they relent in early negotiations we will be lead out by TM with the backing of the Nation. We will not be disrespected by anyone
The coming humiliation will be bitter and painful for some, but it cannot be avoided.
Yes, apparently the revelation that so few fellow Brits share your dreams of a federal EU wasn't humiliating enough so you're back for more.
One imagines that Mr Glenn spends his weekends with a German dominatrix sporting a Merkel haircut begging to be humiliated by her.
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Witness Apple ...
However, I'm bald and have glasses, so the peak keeps the rain off my spectacles, in the cold helps to keep my head warm and on sunny days stops it getting burnt.
Mr. Jessop, clearly, pricing my books reasonably was an error on my part
The doctor asks: "do you ever drink?", and the man says "no".
"Do you ever smoke?" -- "No".
"Do you ever have sex?" -- "Doctor, of course not!"
And the doctor asks "then why on earth do you want to live to 100?"
https://twitter.com/rhamiltonmsp/status/858204175766880256
Bless
Circulation below 8,500.......
The National saw an annual fall in print sales of more than 30% to 8,500 average daily circulation in July to December.
Its digital subscriptions fell even more steeply, to below 2,000.
Only one other UK "regional" paper - in Wigan - reported a bigger fall in sales.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-39076470
The Courier & Aberdeen Press & Journal between them sell more than ten times as many.....
Maybe they'll start of news reports on the election with some other word than 'Labour'.
One thing - they're going to find QT audiences harder to fill up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-39706499
The above is a large project that has been mooted for a while but has always, always been in trouble. Mainly this is because it is being run (at the governments end) by morons, because as with all large projects in Wales that involve the government it is all done by a closed group of mainly men that all know each other.
It needs breaking up if Wales is to develop, the Tories may be the one to do it...but...they are hardly an open minded group themselves. If Labour are neutered then it has to lead to a more open and commercially minded government, not another group of backslappers.
(Grain of truth - moderate drinkers live longest of all)
The season so far has been immensely tightly balanced, and a key strength for Mercedes has been dominance in qualifying. Looking like that might be under threat (I wonder if that's due to the ban on oil-burning?). If so, Vettel perhaps should be favourite for the title.
The problem with the BBC's election coverage is that it has been dumbed down to appeal to people who are probably asleep in bed anyway. The information is there but disguised by clowning and video-game graphics. It will also seem slow because the BBC waits for official results whereas rivals do not (and if they have to correct one or two seats later on, who cares? They got the other 648 right and a lot faster than the BBC).
England (or London) can be just as bad. Thankfully the Garden Bridge has now been scrapped:
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2017/apr/28/garden-bridge-dead-38m-public-money-repaid-boris-johnson
I hope *everyone* involved with this mess get to pay back the pubic's money. The project was clearly borken from the start.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/46e76532-2c48-11e7-ae85-aa7f1ff8d93b
No wonder Sturgeon's ratings have tanked by over 50 points!
Just one more reason PB is the place to be on election night.
European Union leaders sense that Theresa May will surrender to their divorce demands rather than walk away in a “no deal” scenario leading to a disorderly Brexit.
EU officials and diplomats have received private assurances and noted that the prime minister has dropped a pledge, made in January, that “no deal is better than a bad deal for Britain”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/243fd502-2c41-11e7-ae85-aa7f1ff8d93b
That just about sums up half of the city centre, the most successful part is Victorian/Edwardian or private sector and the dumps are all city council owned and run.
The author of the Bloomberg article had previously claimed that the EU were set to demand that EU citizens resident in the UK for 5 years be given permanent residency - that's current UK Law
The anger in the study was palpable and will be in homes throughout the UK.
I believe TM may will react to this by saying we are leaving with no agreement, eu citizens in the UK can stay but are subject to UK law and we will trade on WTO rules. End of story
Jerry - "Really dear ...."
Margot - "Don't just 'really dear' me Jerry. We need a petition to stop him. We'll have a soiree this evening to arrange the matter. Jerry you'll need to go to Fortnum's and Harrod's for provisions and get Mrs Dooms-Paterson's reinforced chair out of the gazebo ..."
Jerry - "What ?!?!?"
Margot - "Heavens above. Your name !!!!!!! .... Jeremy !!!!! .... I'm sorry Jerry but it'll have to be changed. We can't possibly have any association with that Communist. What would members of the Pony Club and Residents Association think !! ...."
I was going to double up if the tories had a candidate in tune with the voters in Gordon but Jacob Rees mogul isnt
We have decided to leave and sacrifice freedom of movement.
FoM benefits us and the EU so not surprising they aren't thrilled about this.
Just because ending FoM is popular in the UK doesn't mean it will be beneficial.
Nicola and Ruth visit a casino. Nicola has 56 chips, Ruth has 1.
When they leave, Nicola has 45 chips, and Ruth has 10, some of which used to be Nicola's
Only one of them was a winner...
And if you don't want people to disrespect you, it's a good idea not to disrespect them yourself.
What is betting on May meeting a real member of the public in Scotland today , 1000 - 1.
Pete Wishart
Angus MacNeil
They can barely string a sentence together
Isn't it that EU Sources claim that's whats been said?
Not quite the same thing......
Made Damien Green look normal.
You can bleat all you like but trying to pretend Black is white is pretty stupid even for you.
I thought we were the ones wanting to end freedom of movement?
So how is it being imposed on us?
We don't know either way.
Yes, that suits the SNP, said the MSP, but it also brings new people to the Tories, and the Tories don’t need to win the election to stymie a referendum, they just need to burst the SNP’s bubble and paint Ms Sturgeon as a leader on the slide. Then it’s on to the 2021 Holyrood election and a reprise of the slogan that put the SNP into power in 2007 – time for change.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/15255020.Tom_Gordon__SNP_beware__the_Tories_are_on_the_march/
I think you present the extreme version of hipsterism - like conservatism, it's a fairly broad church.
And most importantly, they do very good coffee - even in Yorkshire.
Mind you, Nicola always looks like that