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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,557

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:


    May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
    ELECTIVE dictatorship is an ever present danger in Westminster’s antiquated system of government, where the Prime Minister still exercises the pre-democratic powers of monarchy. The Fixed-term Parliament Act of 2011 (FTPA) was one attempt to modernise our system by denying political leaders the undemocratic right to call an election at a moment of their own choosing: ie whenever the opposition party was weakest.
    David Cameron enacted the FTPA, which is the norm in most democratic countries, and Theresa May voted for it in 2011. So much for all that. She wasn’t going to let the law get in the way of exploiting Labour’s internal divisions to win a quick and dirty 100-seat majority. Labour went along with her coup, as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out, with all the enthusiasm of turkeys voting for an early Christmas.
    There really is no justification for this snap election. Theresa May said repeatedly that Britain needed “a period of stability” following Brexit, and she was right. The world needs a period of stability following Donald Trump, Syria and heightened international tensions in South East Asia. Voters have no idea of what kind of EU relationship they’re voting for – and neither does the Government Theresa May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
    https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2017/04/29/may-is-a-serial-abuser-of-the-democratic-process/

    How having a general election is a serial abuser of the democratic process. Seems it is inconvenient for the SNP but it is absolutely the democratic process
    G, why did they pretend it should be fixed term and put stupid laws in place, knowing that first sign of opportunity to game the system they were going to cheat.
    they couldn't have got the amendment through to hold the election without Labour - could they!
    What a diddy Corbyn is.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: UKIP have decided not to stand a candidate in Peterborough. Big filip to Tory MP Stewart Jackson.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,557
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:


    ydoethur, turnips are out of season at the minute, be plenty about later in the year.

    Is that a suggestion that there might be up to 400 if the polls are right? :wink:
    LOL, all of Scotland will be inhabited by turnips if that happens
    Be good for the world panda population though!
    Imagine the chinese are crating them up as we speak.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,227
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,557
    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    It is indeed sad that they stoop so low, but given some of their MSP's it is no surprise.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,308
    malcolmg said:

    Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
    https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/858237707331481600

    It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,069
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,557
    edited April 2017
    Dura_Ace said:

    malcolmg said:

    Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
    https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/858237707331481600

    It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.
    Frightening, does not bode well for Scotland. Tory hordes rampaging around the country wrecking things and terrorising the innocent public. Where will it end and will old bulldog chops be able to rein them in.
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    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:


    May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
    ELECTIVE dictatorship is an ever present danger in Westminster’s antiquated system of government, where the Prime Minister still exercises the pre-democratic powers of monarchy. The Fixed-term Parliament Act of 2011 (FTPA) was one attempt to modernise our system by denying political leaders the undemocratic right to call an election at a moment of their own choosing: ie whenever the opposition party was weakest.
    David Cameron enacted the FTPA, which is the norm in most democratic countries, and Theresa May voted for it in 2011. So much for all that. She wasn’t going to let the law get in the way of exploiting Labour’s internal divisions to win a quick and dirty 100-seat majority. Labour went along with her coup, as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out, with all the enthusiasm of turkeys voting for an early Christmas.
    There really is no justification for this snap election. Theresa May said repeatedly that Britain needed “a period of stability” following Brexit, and she was right. The world needs a period of stability following Donald Trump, Syria and heightened international tensions in South East Asia. Voters have no idea of what kind of EU relationship they’re voting for – and neither does the Government Theresa May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
    https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2017/04/29/may-is-a-serial-abuser-of-the-democratic-process/

    How having a general election is a serial abuser of the democratic process. Seems it is inconvenient for the SNP but it is absolutely the democratic process
    G, why did they pretend it should be fixed term and put stupid laws in place, knowing that first sign of opportunity to game the system they were going to cheat.
    That was a ruse by Nick Clegg to keep him inpower in the coalition
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Sean_F said:

    malcolmg said:


    May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
    ELECTIVE dictatorship is an ever present danger in Westminster’s antiquated system of government, where the Prime Minister still exercises the pre-democratic powers of monarchy. The Fixed-term Parliament Act of 2011 (FTPA) was one attempt to modernise our system by denying political leaders the undemocratic right to call an election at a moment of their own choosing: ie whenever the opposition party was weakest.
    David Cameron enacted the FTPA, which is the norm in most democratic countries, and Theresa May voted for it in 2011. So much for all that. She wasn’t going to let the law get in the way of exploiting Labour’s internal divisions to win a quick and dirty 100-seat majority. Labour went along with her coup, as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out, with all the enthusiasm of turkeys voting for an early Christmas.
    There really is no justification for this snap election. Theresa May said repeatedly that Britain needed “a period of stability” following Brexit, and she was right. The world needs a period of stability following Donald Trump, Syria and heightened international tensions in South East Asia. Voters have no idea of what kind of EU relationship they’re voting for – and neither does the Government Theresa May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
    https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2017/04/29/may-is-a-serial-abuser-of-the-democratic-process/

    What a strange article. May is adhering to the democratic process.
    I take it you have left UKIP and joined the Tories, your natural home.
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,679
    Is Hollande still around? I thought he'd gone off to be a pizza delivery rider.....
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,486

    O?T but happy news worth sharing:

    UK book sales hit a record £3.5 billion last year, led by a rise of 16% for sales of children's books!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39718016

    Books are amazingly cheap these days.
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    malcolmg said:

    surbiton said:

    malcolmg said:

    Sean_F said:

    malcolmg said:

    not quite bright enough.

    malcolmg said:

    slavering sad Little Englander

    malcolmg said:

    big jessie huff

    malcolmg said:

    half witted cretin

    malcolmg said:

    vomiting some rabid bile

    malcolmg said:

    squad of cheating lying losers

    malcolmg said:

    moingrel whines and slavers shouting like a fishwife.

    I enjoy Malcolm's insults.
    Sean, carlotta has no sense of humour , she is just a Tory CCHQ cypher with no experience of real life. She is the type who would be saying "let the poor eat cake", as she stuffed another lobster down her thrapple.
    But you have to admire her work ethic. Previously, she and Fitalass did different shifts. Now they are on sometimes together in the middle of the night making sure they dominate the drift of the posts. Working overtime in a tax heaven [ haven ? ].
    Just how does one put certain users on ignore?

    Asking for a friend
    Never limit your access to information , you should not put on blinkers and stay in your own narrow viewpoint. Look at what I have to suffer on here yet I never ignore anyone's viewpoint.
    And that is what is happening to the left on twitter/ facebook - they are shutting out anyone with any alternative view, which means inevitably that they are exposed to an ever-more extreme version of champagne socialism. The right, no doubt, are suffering something similar - but they don't use social media as much - so it doesn't affect them.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,101
    TudorRose said:

    Is Hollande still around? I thought he'd gone off to be a pizza delivery rider.....
    Didn't he used to be someone once? Oh yes, he was going to 'roll back austerity across Europe' with Ed Miliband (who he? - ed.)
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Is there no longer a long term economic plan?
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    That does not bother me at all. You are losing your grip if you are having to use Hollande to make a point
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,101
    malcolmg said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    malcolmg said:

    Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
    https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/858237707331481600

    It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.
    . Tory hordes rampaging around the country.
    I thought there 'aren't any Tories in Scotland' unquote.

    Now there are 'hordes'?

    Make your mind up.....
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,287

    O?T but happy news worth sharing:

    UK book sales hit a record £3.5 billion last year, led by a rise of 16% for sales of children's books!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39718016

    Books are amazingly cheap these days.
    Especially from charity shops. I presume the £3.5bn figure excludes such second hand sales.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,406
    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    FF43 said:

    Barnesian said:

    A diamond hard Brexit, i.e. WTO with no transition, would be catastrophic for the UK - possibly worse than 2008 and the blame squarely on May and the Tories shoulders. No Gordon Brown to blame. After this election, there will be no hiding place. She will be responsible.

    The EU won't storm out. Why would they? All they need to do is sit patiently as the clock ticks down and watch TMay sweat.

    Both sides are letting the clock run out. As the smaller party and the one that is leaving and whose situation will be radically altered by Brexit the consequences will be much more severe for us.

    Thinking about it, I could imagine the EU agreeing a temporary extension agreement of a year or so without finalising payment or any new arrangements. There would be little downside for them. Time is on their side and not on ours.
    Barnesian is right.

    Also, the transitional arrangements will be extended, no doubt. Why should it not be ? Effectively, it would mean the EU still continuing in situ years after Brexit. It maybe our only hope that there would be a soft landing.
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,679
    marke09 said:

    Is there no longer a long term economic plan?

    You can only have one of those if you have....you know what!
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:


    May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
    ELECTIVE dictatorship is an ever present danger in Westminster’s antiquated system of government, where the Prime Minister still exercises the pre-democratic powers of monarchy. The Fixed-term Parliament Act of 2011 (FTPA) was one attempt to modernise our system by denying political leaders the undemocratic right to call an election at a moment of their own choosing: ie whenever the opposition party was weakest.
    David Cameron enacted the FTPA, which is the norm in most democratic countries, and Theresa May voted for it in 2011. So much for all that. She wasn’t going to let the law get in the way of exploiting Labour’s internal divisions to win a quick and dirty 100-seat majority. Labour went along with her coup, as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out, with all the enthusiasm of turkeys voting for an early Christmas.
    There really is no justification for this snap election. Theresa May said repeatedly that Britain needed “a period of stability” following Brexit, and she was right. The world needs a period of stability following Donald Trump, Syria and heightened international tensions in South East Asia. Voters have no idea of what kind of EU relationship they’re voting for – and neither does the Government Theresa May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
    https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2017/04/29/may-is-a-serial-abuser-of-the-democratic-process/

    How having a general election is a serial abuser of the democratic process. Seems it is inconvenient for the SNP but it is absolutely the democratic process
    G, why did they pretend it should be fixed term and put stupid laws in place, knowing that first sign of opportunity to game the system they were going to cheat.
    It was always obviously only fixed in the event of a coalition.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,557

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    We are the People, ie not Catholics
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,765
    malcolmg said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    We are the People, ie not Catholics
    We Are The Pumped, judging by the fitba.
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    malcolmg said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    malcolmg said:

    Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
    https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/858237707331481600

    It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.
    Frightening, does not bode well for Scotland. Tory hordes rampaging around the country wrecking things and terrorising the innocent public. Where will it end and will old bulldog chops be able to rein them in.
    Look up the shenanigans of the SNP - what comes around goes around. No sympathy whatsoever.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,422

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:


    May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
    ELECTIVE dictatorship is an ever present danger in Westminster’s antiquated system of government, where the Prime Minister still exercises the pre-democratic powers of monarchy. The Fixed-term Parliament Act of 2011 (FTPA) was one attempt to modernise our system by denying political leaders the undemocratic right to call an election at a moment of their own choosing: ie whenever the opposition party was weakest.
    David Cameron enacted the FTPA, which is the norm in most democratic countries, and Theresa May voted for it in 2011. So much for all that. She wasn’t going to let the law get in the way of exploiting Labour’s internal divisions to win a quick and dirty 100-seat majority. Labour went along with her coup, as Nicola Sturgeon pointed out, with all the enthusiasm of turkeys voting for an early Christmas.
    There really is no justification for this snap election. Theresa May said repeatedly that Britain needed “a period of stability” following Brexit, and she was right. The world needs a period of stability following Donald Trump, Syria and heightened international tensions in South East Asia. Voters have no idea of what kind of EU relationship they’re voting for – and neither does the Government Theresa May is a serial abuser of the democratic process.
    https://iainmacwhirter.wordpress.com/2017/04/29/may-is-a-serial-abuser-of-the-democratic-process/

    How having a general election is a serial abuser of the democratic process. Seems it is inconvenient for the SNP but it is absolutely the democratic process
    G, why did they pretend it should be fixed term and put stupid laws in place, knowing that first sign of opportunity to game the system they were going to cheat.
    It was always obviously only fixed in the event of a coalition.
    The amount of times Cameron and Osborne had their fingers crossed behing their backs when dealing with Clegg..........
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    Vote Palantine!
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    They're hardly going to say otherwise are they?
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
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    Fair and Firm - hardly controversial
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    I asked Betfair last Sunday for a market on the next French prime minister, and they said they'd do it later. I wanted to bet on Dupont-Aignan. Today Le Pen has said that if she wins she will appoint him, but there's still no market up.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Cyan said:

    I asked Betfair last Sunday for a market on the next French prime minister, and they said they'd do it later. I wanted to bet on Dupont-Aignan. Today Le Pen has said that if she wins she will appoint him, but there's still no market up.

    You've had a mare
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,679

    Fair and Firm - hardly controversial
    Fair and firm v strong and stable; who'll give us odds on the outcome of that...?
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,422
    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    Do any ladies support Rangers?

    Just asking, like!
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited April 2017
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39742949

    It sounds more like a plea to the 27 than a statement of intent. The constant need to reiterate it suggests it is playing on their minds.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/28/uk-gdp-growth-inflation-economy-brexit-vote

    This could also be why we are having an election now. Get it out of the way. But I still think it is the "divorce bill" which is why she has gone for it. You cannot pay £x bn, with a tiny majority and about 50 full-time loonies, on your side.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,765

    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    Do any ladies support Rangers?

    Just asking, like!
    My (Catholic) pal's husband and his mother are attending Castle Greyskull at this very moment. Not having a happy time I'd guess.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited April 2017
    surbiton said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/28/uk-gdp-growth-inflation-economy-brexit-vote

    This could also be why we are having an election now. Get it out of the way. But I still think it is the "divorce bill" which is why she has gone for it. You cannot pay £x bn, with a tiny majority and about 50 full-time loonies, on your side.

    The GDP figures will recover in Q2. Q1 is a post Christmas hangover.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,887
    The Tories should soft pedal in Edinburgh South, there isn't room for two Unionist challenges.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,822
    Cyan said:

    I asked Betfair last Sunday for a market on the next French prime minister, and they said they'd do it later. I wanted to bet on Dupont-Aignan. Today Le Pen has said that if she wins she will appoint him, but there's still no market up.

    That would require approval from the parliament though. If LR remain the largest party I can't see them agreeing to NDA. Needs to be an LR candidate.

    Whoever wins, the parliament is likely to be a very hung parliament and both candidates will struggle to get a PM approved

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,425
    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    The OO had a black president years before the USA had an orange one
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    Do any ladies support Rangers?

    Just asking, like!
    An Orange Lodge lady recently proposed to her intended over the Ibrox scoreboard !!
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2017
    "A 21-year-old teacher arrested by anti-terror police in London was allegedly plotting to attack a police officer.Yesterday it emerged that Mohamed Amoudi was investigated for allegedly attempting to travel to Syria to join ISIS, and was held by police in 2015.

    Amoudi's activity on social media expressing radical religious views had previously been investigated by police. He was planning to carry out an attack in a crowded tourist area"


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4457936/Arrested-teacher-plotting-murder-police-officer.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK#ixzz4fdCAoXk0
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    The OO had a black president years before the USA had an orange one
    I wonder if he plays the flute or the drums !
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,128
    TudorRose said:

    Is Hollande still around? I thought he'd gone off to be a pizza delivery rider.....
    ...with benefits :)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,101
    §§§

    Fair and Firm - hardly controversial
    They're hardly going to describe them as 'petty and vindictive' are they?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,557

    malcolmg said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    We are the People, ie not Catholics
    We Are The Pumped, judging by the fitba.
    Yes think they need to add 17th Century before "people" nowadays
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,425
    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    The OO had a black president years before the USA had an orange one
    I wonder if he plays the flute or the drums !

    Dunno, he was from Ghana, maybe you could buy him one


    http://shop.grandorangelodge.co.uk/acatalog/index.html
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    @AlastairMeeks Thanks for a very interesting thread header. Will start reading the comments but probably a new thread is imminent & wanted to say thanks on this one.

    Good afternoon, everybody.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,557

    malcolmg said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    malcolmg said:

    Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
    https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/858237707331481600

    It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.
    Frightening, does not bode well for Scotland. Tory hordes rampaging around the country wrecking things and terrorising the innocent public. Where will it end and will old bulldog chops be able to rein them in.
    Look up the shenanigans of the SNP - what comes around goes around. No sympathy whatsoever.
    Care to provide a bona fide example, anything similar to the unionists in George Square say
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited April 2017
    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    Will SCON be adopting Tina Turner's "Simply the Best" as their campaign song?

    It could be useful for inspiring crowd participation: words are often interpolated that start with "FTP" (and they don't mean file transfer protocol) and then express a similar sentiment towards a now defunct organisation. I won't post a link, but a websearch on "Lisa from Battalion" should help. And never mind charity red noses! Wear blue ones instead! Never mind J K Rowling either. Theresa and Ruth could praise the British identity of the Scottish Rangers fans who support the England football team.

    Other interpolated words that may appeal are "No surrender" before "Send her victorious" in the British national anthem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAxwBy6Of4w
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    O?T but happy news worth sharing:

    UK book sales hit a record £3.5 billion last year, led by a rise of 16% for sales of children's books!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39718016

    Books are amazingly cheap these days.
    Especially from charity shops. I presume the £3.5bn figure excludes such second hand sales.
    I very much doubt it, Mr. Rentool. There is no method of collecting data on second-hand book sales.
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    Arthur_PennyArthur_Penny Posts: 198
    edited April 2017
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    malcolmg said:

    Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
    https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/858237707331481600

    It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.
    Frightening, does not bode well for Scotland. Tory hordes rampaging around the country wrecking things and terrorising the innocent public. Where will it end and will old bulldog chops be able to rein them in.
    Look up the shenanigans of the SNP - what comes around goes around. No sympathy whatsoever.
    Care to provide a bona fide example, anything similar to the unionists in George Square say
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3046335/The-Scottish-Nasty-Party-growing-intimidation-intolerance-dissent-reeks-fascism.html

    I suppose no true Scotsman would ever do this ...
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,425
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    malcolmg said:

    Tories showing their true colours again, they have unleashed the nasties.
    https://twitter.com/malinheenallan/status/858237707331481600

    It's like the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Only worse.
    Frightening, does not bode well for Scotland. Tory hordes rampaging around the country wrecking things and terrorising the innocent public. Where will it end and will old bulldog chops be able to rein them in.
    Look up the shenanigans of the SNP - what comes around goes around. No sympathy whatsoever.
    Care to provide a bona fide example, anything similar to the unionists in George Square say
    Which part of Scotland is Nuremberg in ? I'm sure it's Ayrshire
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    PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    Although the poster below who was asking who in Cumnock might vote Tory, these Ayrshire villages (Drongan also) are plentiful with WATP staunchness. If there was going to be a year for them to vote Tory, an election where Ruth Davidson making the campaign about defending the Union, and being pictured with the UJ in a tank etc etc, while the Labour Party is led by people with Sinn Fein sympathies might be the one.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    image

    Essentially, the wishes of up to seven EU countries with populations totalling up to 140m residents can be ignored.

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,425
    PaulM said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    Although the poster below who was asking who in Cumnock might vote Tory, these Ayrshire villages (Drongan also) are plentiful with WATP staunchness. If there was going to be a year for them to vote Tory, an election where Ruth Davidson making the campaign about defending the Union, and being pictured with the UJ in a tank etc etc, while the Labour Party is led by people with Sinn Fein sympathies might be the one.
    Lots of our Nats have Sinn Fein sympathies I can't see that being a factor
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,467

    Cyan said:

    I asked Betfair last Sunday for a market on the next French prime minister, and they said they'd do it later. I wanted to bet on Dupont-Aignan. Today Le Pen has said that if she wins she will appoint him, but there's still no market up.

    That would require approval from the parliament though. If LR remain the largest party I can't see them agreeing to NDA. Needs to be an LR candidate.

    Whoever wins, the parliament is likely to be a very hung parliament and both candidates will struggle to get a PM approved

    according to oddschecker paddy's have that market priced up. your boy is 50/1.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,765
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    We are the People, ie not Catholics
    We Are The Pumped, judging by the fitba.
    Yes think they need to add 17th Century before "people" nowadays
    You can always trust the Rangers support to make the club proud, even when they're losing on the pitch.

    https://twitter.com/JAMlEREDKNAPP/status/858283279975411712
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    PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    To Peter from Putney (prior thread re St Albans)

    Yes, St Albans is a Lib Dem target. Farron was there campaigning this week. as noted Anne Main is not beloved, and the consittuency was heavily remain. The LibDems also have a highish profile candidate in Daisy Cooper. If the Labour vote collapses could be a horse race (although I think Kerry Pollard the former MP might be Labour candidate again which would maybe put a floor on the Labour vote)

    Con hold still should be favourite given the national trends, but not at 1/9 on.

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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,294
    Blair crushing dissent in Labour Party, Corbyn must have forgotten about that control freak Gordon Brown.

    http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-insecure-theresa-may-will-make-damaging-mistakes-10855598
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262

    Cyan said:

    I asked Betfair last Sunday for a market on the next French prime minister, and they said they'd do it later. I wanted to bet on Dupont-Aignan. Today Le Pen has said that if she wins she will appoint him, but there's still no market up.

    That would require approval from the parliament though. If LR remain the largest party I can't see them agreeing to NDA. Needs to be an LR candidate.

    Whoever wins, the parliament is likely to be a very hung parliament and both candidates will struggle to get a PM approved
    The Socialist Party is currently the largest party. But yes, the assembly is likely to be hung and neither candidate is likely to have a majority from their own party. That said, both En Marche and the FN will probably have far more seats than their present numbers 0 and 2. It's going to be fun.

    Have there been any recent opinion polls for the June election?
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262

    Cyan said:

    I asked Betfair last Sunday for a market on the next French prime minister, and they said they'd do it later. I wanted to bet on Dupont-Aignan. Today Le Pen has said that if she wins she will appoint him, but there's still no market up.

    That would require approval from the parliament though. If LR remain the largest party I can't see them agreeing to NDA. Needs to be an LR candidate.

    Whoever wins, the parliament is likely to be a very hung parliament and both candidates will struggle to get a PM approved

    according to oddschecker paddy's have that market priced up. your boy is 50/1.
    Thanks! I'll have a look, even if I can't stake much because near my limit :)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,101
    edited April 2017
    Not sure this poll is going as Lady Nugee (sic) would wish:

    https://twitter.com/LadyNugeeMP/status/858263707364806656
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,896
    edited April 2017

    Where's Easter Ross these days

    Good question - he's a loss to the site. I have a recollection that he was banned around the time of GE 2015 and probably rather like Rod Crosby, he's too proud and too smart to grovel.
    Shame really, especially when one considers what is allowed on this site these days from some pretty unremarkable dullards posters.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,981
    dr_spyn said:

    Blair crushing dissent in Labour Party, Corbyn must have forgotten about that control freak Gordon Brown.

    http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-insecure-theresa-may-will-make-damaging-mistakes-10855598

    So Corbyn's arguing that there's a risk that the Tory government becomes as awful as the last Labour one was... so vote Labour.. !?

    (Presumably the argument then proceeds that at least with Labour you know for certain the the country will be in peril)
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,805
    Erdogan's banned Wikipedia:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39754909

    But a BBC fail in the article: "People in the capital Istanbul ..."

    Poor Ankara. Forgotten once again.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,311
    Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election

    Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2017

    Erdogan's banned Wikipedia:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39754909

    But a BBC fail in the article: "People in the capital Istanbul ..."

    Poor Ankara. Forgotten once again.

    Quite disgraceful. The BBC really should be better than the pop up journalism that litters the internet

    Quick EDIT!! :blush:
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 68,404

    Not sure this poll is going as Lady Nugee (sic) would wish:

    https://twitter.com/LadyNugeeMP/status/858263707364806656

    Carlotta, you do realise that's a spoof account, don't you?

    (I have to admit, it's a very good one. It nearly fooled me because it does resemble the vacuous unselfaware trash the egregious pseudo-Colonel puts on her twitter feed. And it's extremely funny. But it's still a spoof.)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,101
    ydoethur said:

    Not sure this poll is going as Lady Nugee (sic) would wish:

    https://twitter.com/LadyNugeeMP/status/858263707364806656

    Carlotta, you do realise that's a spoof account, don't you?

    (I have to admit, it's a very good one. It nearly fooled me because it does resemble the vacuous unselfaware trash the egregious pseudo-Colonel puts on her twitter feed. And it's extremely funny. But it's still a spoof.)
    Yes - hence the (sic)
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Open Europe‏Verified account @OpenEurope 12m12 minutes ago

    Tajani: We approved the #Brexit guidelines but they are flexible and can be adapted throughout the negotiations #EUCO

    Tajani: EU is not against the UK, I want to achieve a good agreement but we have to defend our rights #EUCO #Brexit

    EP President @Antonio_Tajani: We're asking the UK to pay what's in the agreement, nothing more #EUCO #Brexit
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Pulpstar said:

    Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election

    Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.

    What do they do if JC resigns after next Thursday ?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,411
    Cyan said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    Will SCON be adopting Tina Turner's "Simply the Best" as their campaign song?

    It could be useful for inspiring crowd participation: words are often interpolated that start with "FTP" (and they don't mean file transfer protocol) and then express a similar sentiment towards a now defunct organisation. I won't post a link, but a websearch on "Lisa from Battalion" should help. And never mind charity red noses! Wear blue ones instead! Never mind J K Rowling either. Theresa and Ruth could praise the British identity of the Scottish Rangers fans who support the England football team.

    Other interpolated words that may appeal are "No surrender" before "Send her victorious" in the British national anthem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAxwBy6Of4w
    Hopefully, the Scottish Tories will use "No More Catholics" as their campaign song.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,070
    Pulpstar said:

    Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election

    Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.

    I'm afraid that's right. I've voted Labour in every GE since my first vote in 1983 (Foot was infinitely preferable to Corbyn). This time I will vote LD. I am in a Lab held Lab/Tory marginal, so it's an easy way to vote against Labour without having to vote Tory (for which I really would need nosepeg and surgical gloves).
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,070
    edited April 2017
    calum said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election

    Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.

    What do they do if JC resigns after next Thursday ?
    Depends who takes over. Tom Watson wouldn't bring me back.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    calum said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election

    Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.

    What do they do if JC resigns after next Thursday ?
    Depends who takes over ...
    Watson I'd imagine
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,981
    edited April 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election

    Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.

    It's not often I rub shoulders with the hoi-polloi, Pulpstar, but yesterday I was obliged to stand in the queue outside the doctor's and was fascinated to eavesdrop a lively political discusion. If it was at all representative, Corbyn is indeed the issue.

    The danger for May of course would be if these voters work out that his chances of getting into number 10 are next door to zero, and as a consequence feel safe to cast their vote on the basis of things like policies, candidates and the like. Labour may then well survive with a decent rump, though of course that leads to the possibilty that Corbyn and the Corbynistas then say 'Well, wasn't that bad, was it, lads?!' and decide to stay on as a consequence.

    So tricky judgements to be made, by all parties, as well as the electorate.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,069

    Erdogan's banned Wikipedia:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39754909

    But a BBC fail in the article: "People in the capital Istanbul ..."

    Poor Ankara. Forgotten once again.

    Who will check the fact checkers?
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,070
    calum said:

    calum said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election

    Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.

    What do they do if JC resigns after next Thursday ?
    Depends who takes over ...
    Watson I'd imagine
    Keir Starmer possibly might lure me back and Stella Creasy definitely would.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,765
    Sean_F said:

    Cyan said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    Will SCON be adopting Tina Turner's "Simply the Best" as their campaign song?

    It could be useful for inspiring crowd participation: words are often interpolated that start with "FTP" (and they don't mean file transfer protocol) and then express a similar sentiment towards a now defunct organisation. I won't post a link, but a websearch on "Lisa from Battalion" should help. And never mind charity red noses! Wear blue ones instead! Never mind J K Rowling either. Theresa and Ruth could praise the British identity of the Scottish Rangers fans who support the England football team.

    Other interpolated words that may appeal are "No surrender" before "Send her victorious" in the British national anthem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAxwBy6Of4w
    Hopefully, the Scottish Tories will use "No More Catholics" as their campaign song.
    'No more Prods in Ibrox after the 5th Celtic goal' has a jaunty ring to it.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Tajani: We approved the #Brexit guidelines but they are flexible and can be adapted throughout the negotiations #EUCO
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,070

    Pulpstar said:

    Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election

    Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.

    It's not often I rub shoulders with the hoi-polloi, Pulpstar, but yesterday I was obliged to stand in the queue outside the doctor's and was fascinated to eavesdrop a lively political discusion. If it was at all representative, Corbyn is indeed the issue.

    The danger for May of course would be if these voters work out that his chances of getting into number 10 are next door to zero, and as a consequence feel safe to cast their vote on the basis of things like policies, candidates and the like. Labour may then well survive with a decent rump, though of course that leads to the possibilty that Corbyn and the Corbynistas then say 'Well, wasn't that bad, was it, lads?!' and decide to stay on as a consequence.

    So tricky judgements to be made, by all parties, as well as the electorate.
    The problem with that is that Corbyn will claim the credit, and deliberately fail to acknowledge the simple truth that people voted Labour despite, rather than because of him.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election

    Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.

    It's not often I rub shoulders with the hoi-polloi, Pulpstar, but yesterday I was obliged to stand in the queue outside the doctor's and was fascinated to eavesdrop a lively political discusion. If it was at all representative, Corbyn is indeed the issue.

    The danger for May of course would be if these voters work out that his chances of getting into number 10 are next door to zero, and as a consequence feel safe to cast their vote on the basis of things like policies, candidates and the like. Labour may then well survive with a decent rump, though of course that leads to the possibilty that Corbyn and the Corbynistas then say 'Well, wasn't that bad, was it, lads?!' and decide to stay on as a consequence.

    So tricky judgements to be made, by all parties, as well as the electorate.
    Corbyn the issue in England and Wales, Corbyn and Indy v Union in Scotland
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 64,634
    Ferrari front row.
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    Nigelb said:

    Ferrari front row.

    Is that Theresa (hide)
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    nunu said:

    Tajani: We approved the #Brexit guidelines but they are flexible and can be adapted throughout the negotiations #EUCO

    Translation: We have no real idea how to handle the UK leaving so we are making it up as we go along.

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    Sean_F said:

    Cyan said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    Will SCON be adopting Tina Turner's "Simply the Best" as their campaign song?

    It could be useful for inspiring crowd participation: words are often interpolated that start with "FTP" (and they don't mean file transfer protocol) and then express a similar sentiment towards a now defunct organisation. I won't post a link, but a websearch on "Lisa from Battalion" should help. And never mind charity red noses! Wear blue ones instead! Never mind J K Rowling either. Theresa and Ruth could praise the British identity of the Scottish Rangers fans who support the England football team.

    Other interpolated words that may appeal are "No surrender" before "Send her victorious" in the British national anthem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAxwBy6Of4w
    Hopefully, the Scottish Tories will use "No More Catholics" as their campaign song.
    'No more Prods in Ibrox after the 5th Celtic goal' has a jaunty ring to it.
    The Prody Vicar from Bread has been confirmed as the Tory candidate in Clacton.

    Should be the MP if things turn out as expected.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    edited April 2017

    Sean_F said:

    Cyan said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    surbiton said:

    I disagree with Alastair's proposition that the Conservative surge is not taking place in Glasgow.

    A rising tide lifts all boats ! Even those moored on the Clyde. It may not do much for Tory MP numbers. I do not know what's happening in Cathcart. But they lost that in 1979.

    The Tories will certainly be helped by the surge, no doubt. But this idea that the surge will happen in exactly where they would like it to be is fanciful.

    Well, if there was PR........

    There's certainly a Unionist vote in Glasgow, one which the Kippertories have courted assiduously all the way to the outer reaches of loony Loyalism. Whether it'll amount to an electoral hill of beans is another matter. The locals next week should be a pretty good indicator.
    The sight of SCON MSPs (not Ruth TBF) - cosying up to the WATP crew - is both perplexing and laughable in equal measure !!
    Genuine question, what does WATP stand for in this context?
    "We Are The People" - its one of the key acronyms associated with extreme Unionists & The Orange Lodge - who to a man/lady also support Rangers. Suffice to say associating yourselves with these folks in Scotland is not very sensible for any serious politician !!
    Will SCON be adopting Tina Turner's "Simply the Best" as their campaign song?

    It could be useful for inspiring crowd participation: words are often interpolated that start with "FTP" (and they don't mean file transfer protocol) and then express a similar sentiment towards a now defunct organisation. I won't post a link, but a websearch on "Lisa from Battalion" should help. And never mind charity red noses! Wear blue ones instead! Never mind J K Rowling either. Theresa and Ruth could praise the British identity of the Scottish Rangers fans who support the England football team.

    Other interpolated words that may appeal are "No surrender" before "Send her victorious" in the British national anthem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAxwBy6Of4w
    Hopefully, the Scottish Tories will use "No More Catholics" as their campaign song.
    'No more Prods in Ibrox after the 5th Celtic goal' has a jaunty ring to it.
    Sash Bash FM will be a bit lively this evening !!
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Pulpstar said:

    Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election

    Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.

    It's not often I rub shoulders with the hoi-polloi, Pulpstar, but yesterday I was obliged to stand in the queue outside the doctor's and was fascinated to eavesdrop a lively political discusion. If it was at all representative, Corbyn is indeed the issue.

    The danger for May of course would be if these voters work out that his chances of getting into number 10 are next door to zero, and as a consequence feel safe to cast their vote on the basis of things like policies, candidates and the like. Labour may then well survive with a decent rump, though of course that leads to the possibilty that Corbyn and the Corbynistas then say 'Well, wasn't that bad, was it, lads?!' and decide to stay on as a consequence.

    So tricky judgements to be made, by all parties, as well as the electorate.
    The problem with that is that Corbyn will claim the credit, and deliberately fail to acknowledge the simple truth that people voted Labour despite, rather than because of him.

    True. To get rid of Corbyn, Labour must be smashed hard enough to hurt.

    To save the party we had to destroy the party...

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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 48,158

    calum said:

    calum said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election

    Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.

    What do they do if JC resigns after next Thursday ?
    Depends who takes over ...
    Watson I'd imagine
    Keir Starmer possibly might lure me back and Stella Creasy definitely would.
    I would be wary of going anywhere that Mr Starmer might seek to lure you?
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    nunu said:

    Tajani: We approved the #Brexit guidelines but they are flexible and can be adapted throughout the negotiations #EUCO

    Translation: We have no real idea how to handle the UK leaving so we are making it up as we go along.

    It really does look like it. They may be singing harmony at present but I suspect there are some very serious divisions within the EU which will come out.

    We are also seeing the downside of wanting to be transparent

    Took 1 minute to decide the process with simultaneous clapping. Sounds a bit North Korea ish
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,981
    edited April 2017

    Pulpstar said:

    Seems the focus groups are picking up lifelong Labour voters who are going to vote Tory just to try and unseat Corbyn. I think that's correct, the fewer seats Labour get this election the better. It's not a natural ebb and flow such as will happen for the Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and the NI parties - Labour needs to be utterly humiliated this election

    Humiliated, destroyed, kaboshed for their disastrous decision making.

    It's not often I rub shoulders with the hoi-polloi, Pulpstar, but yesterday I was obliged to stand in the queue outside the doctor's and was fascinated to eavesdrop a lively political discusion. If it was at all representative, Corbyn is indeed the issue.

    The danger for May of course would be if these voters work out that his chances of getting into number 10 are next door to zero, and as a consequence feel safe to cast their vote on the basis of things like policies, candidates and the like. Labour may then well survive with a decent rump, though of course that leads to the possibilty that Corbyn and the Corbynistas then say 'Well, wasn't that bad, was it, lads?!' and decide to stay on as a consequence.

    So tricky judgements to be made, by all parties, as well as the electorate.
    The problem with that is that Corbyn will claim the credit, and deliberately fail to acknowledge the simple truth that people voted Labour despite, rather than because of him.
    Yes Thomas, I suppose the question is how low the Labour seats total has to go before Corbyn concedes he's the problem. I suspect he and his supporters think the figure is one, as long as that one is Islington. Others may have other ideas however.

    What do you think - 150 the point of no return?
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