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Looks like some fine warm early summer weather will arrive just in time for the local elections, possibly the day before.0
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Dear me, Theresa will wipe the floor with him.williamglenn said:Apparently he's planning to stand against Theresa May.
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Yes. No deal IS a bad deal (in fact a terrible deal). It's a deal to trade on pretty restrictive WTO terms with a bloc that isn't some trivial backwater, but rather makes up the lion's share of our total trade, both imports and exports.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jgforsyth/status/857198352353636352
Because it's Bollocks0 -
[Picks jaw up off floor]brokenwheel said:Stay classy NUS.
https://twitter.com/Ned_Donovan/status/857196048158216192
From Bouattia to this. Frying pans and fires come to mind.0 -
couldn't happen to a nicer person.Prodicus said:Corbynista Bouattia ousted from NUS chair. Straw in the wind.
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I'm in a very poor area for UKIP anyway, but my canvassing has not yet yielded a single mention of their name... not even a negative one, which would at least be encouraging for them in the Wildian sense. They simply aren't on the radar.0
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May needed to call a snap election becausemurali_s said:
No deal would be catastrophic. Everyone bar a few right-wing nutters, both here and outside acknowledge this.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jgforsyth/status/857198352353636352
Because it's Bollocks
1. she may well have had to have a mini-election anyway if charges are brought over 2015 election expenses - and may have lost her majority.
2. once it becomes clear what Brexit means she may become rather unpopular.
and maybe (hopefully)
3. she wants to be able to compromise with the EU and can't while she's beholden to some extreme Brexiteers for her slim majority.0 -
Job done, innit.SirNorfolkPassmore said:I'm in a very poor area for UKIP anyway, but my canvassing has not yet yielded a single mention of their name... not even a negative one, which would at least be encouraging for them in the Wildian sense. They simply aren't on the radar.
More seriously, they're spent. 80% of their votes will go to Tory.
UKIP turned out to be a brilliant vehicle for this country. De toxing the Tories, then gaining huge traction in ex Lab voters who are now either non-voters or thinking of voting Tory.0 -
Does anyone here have an unlimited Paddy Power account ?0
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Yes, it would be a big mistake for any vanity candidates to target her. Going after Boris Johnson and Michael Gove would make much more sense, and would allow all the dodgy Vote Leave claims to be kept in the public's minds.ToryJim said:
Dear me, Theresa will wipe the floor with him.williamglenn said:Apparently he's planning to stand against Theresa May.
https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/8572012923594629160 -
A lost opportunity....ToryJim said:
As PMQs is the biggest opportunity for Bercow to grandstand, could he be about to announce his departure after a final flourish?MarqueeMark said:Looks like the Speaker is calling everyone who is standing down. Will finish about half four....
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A match bet between him and Gina Millar would be interesting...williamglenn said:Apparently he's planning to stand against Theresa May.
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Best get used to the idea, old chap, and plan accordingly if your business takes you into Europe. The powers that be in the EU seem determined to try to punish us for daring to go our own way because, sadly, they are frightened that other countries might do the same.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Yes. No deal IS a bad deal (in fact a terrible deal). It's a deal to trade on pretty restrictive WTO terms with a bloc that isn't some trivial backwater, but rather makes up the lion's share of our total trade, both imports and exports.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jgforsyth/status/857198352353636352
Because it's Bollocks
On the bright side we seem to be able to trade quite successfully with the rest of the world under those same "Pretty restrictive WTO terms" so I doubt we will starve or go bankrupt.0 -
Don't have an account but a branch 50 yards from where I'm sitting if that helpsPulpstar said:Does anyone here have an unlimited Paddy Power account ?
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Why a "big mistake"?williamglenn said:
Yes, it would be a big mistake for any vanity candidates to target her. Going after Boris Johnson and Michael Gove would make much more sense, and would allow all the dodgy Vote Leave claims to be kept in the public's minds.ToryJim said:
Dear me, Theresa will wipe the floor with him.williamglenn said:Apparently he's planning to stand against Theresa May.
https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/857201292359462916
Vanity candidates will get derisory votes whoever they stand against. They'll be £500 down, but it's not like MI5 are going to swoop in and take them out. Might as well just enjoy the ride.
Having said that, I expect he'd enjoy Surrey Heath more... at least Gove will probably be at the hustings, as he's not involved in the national campaign. It's also a nice area, whereas Maidenhead is a dump.0 -
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From Baxter's Telegraph article, cf. his graphic:
"... there is more territory on the map representing a Conservative majority above 400 than there is for a Labour majority government."0 -
Because it would be actively counter-productive politically, rather than merely potentially a waste of time and money.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Why a "big mistake"?williamglenn said:
Yes, it would be a big mistake for any vanity candidates to target her. Going after Boris Johnson and Michael Gove would make much more sense, and would allow all the dodgy Vote Leave claims to be kept in the public's minds.ToryJim said:
Dear me, Theresa will wipe the floor with him.williamglenn said:Apparently he's planning to stand against Theresa May.
https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/857201292359462916
Vanity candidates will get derisory votes whoever they stand against. They'll be £500 down, but it's not like MI5 are going to swoop in and take them out. Might as well just enjoy the ride.
Having said that, I expect he'd enjoy Surrey Heath more... at least Gove will probably be at the hustings, as he's not involved in the national campaign. It's also a nice area, whereas Maidenhead is a dump.0 -
A majority above 400? That would require Conservatives to win 525+ seats. Does he really mean that?Prodicus said:From Baxter's Telegraph article, cf. his graphic:
"... there is more territory on the map representing a Conservative majority above 400 than there is for a Labour majority government."0 -
@paulwaugh: Senior Labour source says May calling Corbyn "a terrorist sympathiser" in #pmqs was a "discredit to the office of Prime Minister"
@juliamacfarlane: May quoting lines from the "I like Corbyn but" website, which was endorsed by Diane Abbott twitter.com/paulwaugh/stat…0 -
Spot on with point 3 - the surest way to get a deal that isn't too bad is with the May backed by a decent majority.logical_song said:
May needed to call a snap election becausemurali_s said:
No deal would be catastrophic. Everyone bar a few right-wing nutters, both here and outside acknowledge this.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jgforsyth/status/857198352353636352
Because it's Bollocks
1. she may well have had to have a mini-election anyway if charges are brought over 2015 election expenses - and may have lost her majority.
2. once it becomes clear what Brexit means she may become rather unpopular.
and maybe (hopefully)
3. she wants to be able to compromise with the EU and can't while she's beholden to some extreme Brexiteers for her slim majority.0 -
Heh. I doubt it.ToryJim said:
A majority above 400? That would require Conservatives to win 525+ seats. Does he really mean that?Prodicus said:From Baxter's Telegraph article, cf. his graphic:
"... there is more territory on the map representing a Conservative majority above 400 than there is for a Labour majority government."0 -
Damn no losers' debate.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Strange how Oddschacker in all its constituency markets insists on referring to the LibDems as just plain "Democrats". Do they sense, as I do, that this is just a temporary measure pending a likely further change of name when the 20+ elected MPs from the Yellow Team merge with around half or 80 MPs in number from the centre-left of the Labour Party to become the "Progressive Democrats" and as the second largest party, instantly become Her Majesty's Official Opposition in the HoC?0
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never mind...-1
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I did say 'hopefully'. If that isn't her intention or if her new Tory MPs are predominantly hard line Brexiteers then we're in trouble.felix said:
Spot on with point 3 - the surest way to get a deal that isn't too bad is with the May backed by a decent majority.logical_song said:
May needed to call a snap election becausemurali_s said:
No deal would be catastrophic. Everyone bar a few right-wing nutters, both here and outside acknowledge this.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jgforsyth/status/857198352353636352
Because it's Bollocks
1. she may well have had to have a mini-election anyway if charges are brought over 2015 election expenses - and may have lost her majority.
2. once it becomes clear what Brexit means she may become rather unpopular.
and maybe (hopefully)
3. she wants to be able to compromise with the EU and can't while she's beholden to some extreme Brexiteers for her slim majority.
I think that my points 1 and 2 are also valid.0 -
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Well, not really. I shouldn't have thought Maidenhead will be in recount territory, so it's not like he's splitting the vote. And people outside Maidenhead and Guido's more head-banging fans don't give a damn about this bloke wherever he stands. Indeed, people inside Maidenhead will struggle to care.williamglenn said:
Because it would be actively counter-productive politically, rather than merely potentially a waste of time and money.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Why a "big mistake"?williamglenn said:
Yes, it would be a big mistake for any vanity candidates to target her. Going after Boris Johnson and Michael Gove would make much more sense, and would allow all the dodgy Vote Leave claims to be kept in the public's minds.ToryJim said:
Dear me, Theresa will wipe the floor with him.williamglenn said:Apparently he's planning to stand against Theresa May.
https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/857201292359462916
Vanity candidates will get derisory votes whoever they stand against. They'll be £500 down, but it's not like MI5 are going to swoop in and take them out. Might as well just enjoy the ride.
Having said that, I expect he'd enjoy Surrey Heath more... at least Gove will probably be at the hustings, as he's not involved in the national campaign. It's also a nice area, whereas Maidenhead is a dump.
Gina Miller is the only non-politician hardcore Remainer who passes the test of anyone caring about. And she does indeed need to take care she isn't counterproductive in what she does, as there are some Express readers and Twitter warriors out there who might not bother voting, but would do if they thought it would upset her deeply.0 -
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It's over after 58 MINUTESTheScreamingEagles said:This will 30 mins PMQs will last nearly 60mins
It's a record, beating Mrs May's previous record of 45-minutes, which was set in January and beat David Cameron's record of 40 minutes.
May's bout was nearly twice the length scheduled for Prime Minister's Questions.
http://news.sky.com/story/live-corbyn-v-may-in-last-pmqs-before-election-10851520?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter0 -
Let's May off the hook doesn't it.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Damn no losers' debate.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I'm starting to feel sorry for Corbyn's spokesperson
https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/8572115342961991680 -
@paulwaugh
Labour source just ruled out Corbyn taking part in any TV debates that don't feature Theresa May.
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"I see no tanks".ToryJim said:I'm starting to feel sorry for Corbyn's spokesperson
https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/8572115342961991680 -
How about a Labour leadership debate?marke09 said:@paulwaugh
Labour source just ruled out Corbyn taking part in any TV debates that don't feature Theresa May.0 -
@paulhutcheon: Tv debate to be head-to-head between Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron twitter.com/paulwaugh/stat…0
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I like the idea, Mr. Putney, but 20+ Lib Dems elected on 8th June seems a tad optimistic.peter_from_putney said:Strange how Oddschacker in all its constituency markets insists on referring to the LibDems as just plain "Democrats". Do they sense, as I do, that this is just a temporary measure pending a likely further change of name when the 20+ elected MPs from the Yellow Team merge with around half or 80 MPs in number from the centre-left of the Labour Party to become the "Progressive Democrats" and as the second largest party, instantly become Her Majesty's Official Opposition in the HoC?
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wait what?ToryJim said:I'm starting to feel sorry for Corbyn's spokesperson
https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/8572115342961991680 -
Caption competition time.
https://twitter.com/DelMody/status/8572024183539220480 -
Yes, that's about right, HL. The UK will certainly not starve or go bankrupt, it will just trade on worse terms than it did within the EU. How much worse depends on how the negotiations go, which of course is in turn partly dependent on how the EU feels about things.HurstLlama said:
Best get used to the idea, old chap, and plan accordingly if your business takes you into Europe. The powers that be in the EU seem determined to try to punish us for daring to go our own way because, sadly, they are frightened that other countries might do the same.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Yes. No deal IS a bad deal (in fact a terrible deal). It's a deal to trade on pretty restrictive WTO terms with a bloc that isn't some trivial backwater, but rather makes up the lion's share of our total trade, both imports and exports.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jgforsyth/status/857198352353636352
Because it's Bollocks
On the bright side we seem to be able to trade quite successfully with the rest of the world under those same "Pretty restrictive WTO terms" so I doubt we will starve or go bankrupt.
I doubt it will wilfully adopt a punitive attitude but that's up to them. When we signed the Article 50 letter we committed to coming out regardless. Doesn't matter if the EU is reasonable, or knuckle-headed about it. We're coming out whatever.
In practice I expect the EU will be fairly reasonable if only because it will perceive it to be in its interest to be so, but if it perceives that interest to include an element of punishment, we can hardly complain. It's what we voted for, or 52% of us at least.0 -
That'll be box office gold.....Scott_P said:@paulhutcheon: Tv debate to be head-to-head between Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron twitter.com/paulwaugh/stat…
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Wow, that'll get the crowds in.Scott_P said:@paulhutcheon: Tv debate to be head-to-head between Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron twitter.com/paulwaugh/stat…
Here are two people that most of the country won't be able to vote for or won't be interested in....0 -
How many see the original vs how many see the correction? How many care? How many votes would change as a result of the 'exposure'?calum said:Easy mistake !!
https://twitter.com/AngrySalmond/status/857147572451987456
Maybe a mistake, maybe not.0 -
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Read it and weep Eastenders/CorrySlackbladder said:
That'll be box office gold.....Scott_P said:@paulhutcheon: Tv debate to be head-to-head between Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron twitter.com/paulwaugh/stat…
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Farron: "You’ve overplayed your hand and now suffering the backlash of an angry nation".Slackbladder said:
That'll be box office gold.....Scott_P said:@paulhutcheon: Tv debate to be head-to-head between Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron twitter.com/paulwaugh/stat…
Sturgeon: “Turnip”.
Repeat.0 -
Malc is Mrs Sturge and I claim my five pounds....SimonStClare said:
Farron: "You’ve overplayed your hand and now suffering the backlash of an angry nation".Slackbladder said:
That'll be box office gold.....Scott_P said:@paulhutcheon: Tv debate to be head-to-head between Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron twitter.com/paulwaugh/stat…
Sturgeon: “Turnip”.
Repeat.0 -
May is crap part 6,735,780......
Theresa May 'a more popular leader than Thatcher or Blair during their best years,' opinion poll reveals
EXCLUSIVE: May’s lead matches 1983 landslide which saw Thatcher win a 144-seat majority
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tories-with-huge-poll-lead-over-jeremy-corbyns-labour-poll-reveals-a3524136.html
What do voters know, anyway.......0 -
Peter_the_Punter said:
.HurstLlama said:
Yes, that's about right, HL. The UK will certainly not starve or go bankrupt, it will just trade on worse terms than it did within the EU. How much worse depends on how the negotiations go, which of course is in turn partly dependent on how the EU feels about things.SirNorfolkPassmore said:Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jgforsyth/status/857198352353636352
Because it's Bollocks
Best get used to the idea, old chap, and plan accordingly if your business takes you into Europe. The powers that be in the EU seem determined to try to punish us for daring to go our own way because, sadly, they are frightened that other countries might do the same.
On the bright side we seem to be able to trade quite successfully with the rest of the world under those same "Pretty restrictive WTO terms" so I doubt we will starve or go bankrupt.
I doubt it will wilfully adopt a punitive attitude but that's up to them. When we signed the Article 50 letter we committed to coming out regardless. Doesn't matter if the EU is reasonable, or knuckle-headed about it. We're coming out whatever.
In practice I expect the EU will be fairly reasonable if only because it will perceive it to be in its interest to be so, but if it perceives that interest to include an element of punishment, we can hardly complain. It's what we voted for, or 52% of us at least.
The EU will do a trade deal that maximises the economic benefit for them and minimises the benefit for the UK. That's the reality of a small country doing a deal with a big one.
There is plenty of UK business they will have their eye on attracting to the continent and I'm sure they'll negotiate with that in mind.
The euroskeptics have spent years bashing the EU over the head so I'm sure there will be plenty of EU leaders who will approach the deal with a large degree of schadenfreude.0 -
Seems Tim Farron doesn't want David Ward as a LD candidate. that may get rid of the anti-semite. Next the homophob....oh wait...tricky..-1
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My Precioussssspeter_from_putney said:
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It is not a matter of punishment. The EU has consistently said that Brexit is punishment enough, and also that Brexit means Brexit. The only Brexit is hard Brexit.HurstLlama said:
Best get used to the idea, old chap, and plan accordingly if your business takes you into Europe. The powers that be in the EU seem determined to try to punish us for daring to go our own way because, sadly, they are frightened that other countries might do the same.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Yes. No deal IS a bad deal (in fact a terrible deal). It's a deal to trade on pretty restrictive WTO terms with a bloc that isn't some trivial backwater, but rather makes up the lion's share of our total trade, both imports and exports.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jgforsyth/status/857198352353636352
Because it's Bollocks
On the bright side we seem to be able to trade quite successfully with the rest of the world under those same "Pretty restrictive WTO terms" so I doubt we will starve or go bankrupt.
These articles and series of tweets cover the ground well, including a review of all public pronouncements by the EU, who make a policy of open negotiations rather than Mays "pig in a poke" policy:
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I think the accurate version is just as powerful - no need to exaggerate ! - The SCON have also being using sub-samples in their literature !!MTimT said:
How many see the original vs how many see the correction? How many care? How many votes would change as a result of the 'exposure'?calum said:Easy mistake !!
https://twitter.com/AngrySalmond/status/857147572451987456
Maybe a mistake, maybe not.0 -
Still doing your partisan smearing I see .felix said:Seems Tim Farron doesn't want David Ward as a LD candidate. that may get rid of the anti-semite. Next the homophob....oh wait...tricky..
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Pointless... Name the amount of times Sturgeon will say Tories/Austerity (with accent).Mortimer said:
Wow, that'll get the crowds in.Scott_P said:@paulhutcheon: Tv debate to be head-to-head between Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron twitter.com/paulwaugh/stat…
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Still think older Tory voters must have Alzheimers?MarkSenior said:
Still doing your partisan smearing I see .felix said:Seems Tim Farron doesn't want David Ward as a LD candidate. that may get rid of the anti-semite. Next the homophob....oh wait...tricky..
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Mark - do you want to see David Ward continue as LD candidate?0
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Bless, you have only just discovered those pesky barcharts on election literature..... Personally I blame the Libdems for this....calum said:Easy mistake !!
https://twitter.com/AngrySalmond/status/8571475724519874560 -
Still, better than Corbyn.
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/8571898453656084480 -
I wonder if they are keeping the Secret Indyref2 plans on the Secret Oilfields where they hide the Whisky Export Duty?
Ruth Davidson: Nicola Sturgeon must reveal her secret indy ref 2 plan before general election
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/26/ruth-davidson-nicola-sturgeon-must-reveal-secret-indy-ref-2/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
Farron v Sturgeon - a fishfinger vs an old trout.0
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The owners of the song ding dong the witch is back will be counting on extra royalties in the next few years I suspect.0
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Slugger O'Toole on the Brexit Trilemma and the reapplication of Mona's Law (Tales of the City) to contemporary politics:
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/04/25/brexit-in-the-short-term-re-engineers-the-environment-around-scotlands-political-trilemma/0 -
The chart to use is max{ln(Poll score/10),0)fitalass said:
Bless, you have only just discovered those pesky barcharts on election literature..... Personally I blame the Libdems for this....calum said:Easy mistake !!
https://twitter.com/AngrySalmond/status/8571475724519874560 -
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgoen/status/856589811171373057fitalass said:
Pointless... Name the amount of times Sturgeon will say Tories/Austerity (with accent).Mortimer said:
Wow, that'll get the crowds in.Scott_P said:@paulhutcheon: Tv debate to be head-to-head between Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron twitter.com/paulwaugh/stat…
Here are two people that most of the country won't be able to vote for or won't be interested in....0 -
The alternatives.CarlottaVance said:May is crap part 6,735,780......
Theresa May 'a more popular leader than Thatcher or Blair during their best years,' opinion poll reveals
EXCLUSIVE: May’s lead matches 1983 landslide which saw Thatcher win a 144-seat majority
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tories-with-huge-poll-lead-over-jeremy-corbyns-labour-poll-reveals-a3524136.html
What do voters know, anyway.......
That's all that matters.
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Help please advice needed. PENSIONS:
My dad is 58 years old, he has three pension pots .
One with Zurich which is worth X amount but he is not making any more contributions with them.
One with his employer that is managed by ageon.
and the third the state pension ofcourse.
Question is he wants to take the 25% tax free lump sum available to people over 55's. Can he get 25% tax free from all three including the government one or only from the zurich and ageon one's. Your help is much appreciated.0 -
After a year of Nicola Sturgeon shouting that Scotland wants to remain as a member of the EU, now her MPs are signing pledges to keep Scotland out of the EU.CarlottaVance said:I wonder if they are keeping the Secret Indyref2 plans on the Secret Oilfields where they hide the Whisky Export Duty?
Ruth Davidson: Nicola Sturgeon must reveal her secret indy ref 2 plan before general election
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/26/ruth-davidson-nicola-sturgeon-must-reveal-secret-indy-ref-2/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
The Courier - SNP MPs sign fishing pledge that would keep Scotland out of the EU
"SNP MPs have been accused of “hypocrisy” on Europe after signing a pledge that would protect fishermen by keeping Scotland out of the EU.
Politicians including Mike Weir, the Angus MP and party’s chief whip, and Banff and Buchan MP Eilidh Whiteford backed a campaign to keep the country free of Common Fisheries Policy rules, a cornerstone of Brussels rules."0 -
I had thought this too but i think it depends on who the new Tory MPs are. It seems as though some remainers are not standing again? And are Tory remainers more vulnerable to lib Dems taking their seats... And will Tories do better in Brexit land? Do we think the new crop will be compromising remainers... Or leavers emboldened by the prospect of Brexit?felix said:
Spot on with point 3 - the surest way to get a deal that isn't too bad is with the May backed by a decent majority.logical_song said:
May needed to call a snap election becausemurali_s said:
No deal would be catastrophic. Everyone bar a few right-wing nutters, both here and outside acknowledge this.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jgforsyth/status/857198352353636352
Because it's Bollocks
1. she may well have had to have a mini-election anyway if charges are brought over 2015 election expenses - and may have lost her majority.
2. once it becomes clear what Brexit means she may become rather unpopular.
and maybe (hopefully)
3. she wants to be able to compromise with the EU and can't while she's beholden to some extreme Brexiteers for her slim majority.0 -
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There is no tax free lump sum with the state pension. He can get the lump sum from the others (assuming they are defined contribution/money purchase) by going into flexible drawdown (or by buying an annuity) at age 55, or later.nunu said:Help please advice needed. PENSIONS:
My dad is 58 years old, he has three pension pots .
One with Zurich which is worth X amount but he is not making any more contributions with them.
One with his employer that is managed by ageon.
and the third the state pension ofcourse.
Question is he wants to take the 25% tax free lump sum available to people over 55's. Can he get 25% tax free from all three including the government one or only from the zurich and ageon one's. Your help is much appreciated.
He will however need to talk to his employer (or their managers) about that scheme, since it will depend on its normal retirement age and what rules it has about early payment.0 -
Anti-semitic bigot. Good riddance.Prodicus said:Corbynista Bouattia ousted from NUS chair. Straw in the wind.
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A small country that pays €12bn into its budget each year, is its second largest economy, its second largest defence spender and which hosts its biggest financial centre. Yup, we've no leverage at all.JonathanD said:Peter_the_Punter said:
.HurstLlama said:
Yes, that's about right, HL. The UK will certainly not starve or go bankrupt, it will just trade on worse terms than it did within the EU. How much worse depends on how the negotiations go, which of course is in turn partly dependent on how the EU feels about things.SirNorfolkPassmore said:Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jgforsyth/status/857198352353636352
Because it's Bollocks
Best get used to the idea, old chap, and plan accordingly if your business takes you into Europe. The powers that be in the EU seem determined to try to punish us for daring to go our own way because, sadly, they are frightened that other countries might do the same.
On the bright side we seem to be able to trade quite successfully with the rest of the world under those same "Pretty restrictive WTO terms" so I doubt we will starve or go bankrupt.
I doubt it will wilfully adopt a punitive attitude but that's up to them. When we signed the Article 50 letter we committed to coming out regardless. Doesn't matter if the EU is reasonable, or knuckle-headed about it. We're coming out whatever.
In practice I expect the EU will be fairly reasonable if only because it will perceive it to be in its interest to be so, but if it perceives that interest to include an element of punishment, we can hardly complain. It's what we voted for, or 52% of us at least.
The EU will do a trade deal that maximises the economic benefit for them and minimises the benefit for the UK. That's the reality of a small country doing a deal with a big one.
There is plenty of UK business they will have their eye on attracting to the continent and I'm sure they'll negotiate with that in mind.
The euroskeptics have spent years bashing the EU over the head so I'm sure there will be plenty of EU leaders who will approach the deal with a large degree of schadenfreude.0 -
@FoxInSox
Fair go, Doc, I have long taken the view that leaving the EU would mean a reversion to WTO terms (as it has now become) and have never felt frightened by that fact. For me this is a political not an economic decision. Others, maybe including yourself, will disagree.0 -
Isn't that 'winning the general election'?calum said:Back at TM's day job !
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Tell it as it is Calum, usual blatant Tory lies , they are not the NASTY party for nothing. They would steal their grannies false teeth and blame it on someone else. You just cannot trust them on anything other than they will try to take every penny you have by foul means.MTimT said:
How many see the original vs how many see the correction? How many care? How many votes would change as a result of the 'exposure'?calum said:Easy mistake !!
https://twitter.com/AngrySalmond/status/857147572451987456
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That may be so, David, or maybe not. We just don't know and we won't know for a while yet.JonathanD said:Peter_the_Punter said:
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Yes, that's about right, HL. The UK will certainly not starve or go bankrupt, it will just trade on worse terms than it did within the EU. How much worse depends on how the negotiations go, which of course is in turn partly dependent on how the EU feels about things.SirNorfolkPassmore said:Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jgforsyth/status/857198352353636352
Because it's Bollocks
Best get used to the idea, old chap, and plan accordingly if your business takes you into Europe. The powers that be in the EU seem determined to try to punish us for daring to go our own way because, sadly, they are frightened that other countries might do the same.
On the bright side we seem to be able to trade quite successfully with the rest of the world under those same "Pretty restrictive WTO terms" so I doubt we will starve or go bankrupt.
I doubt it will wilfully adopt a punitive attitude but that's up to them. When we signed the Article 50 letter we committed to coming out regardless. Doesn't matter if the EU is reasonable, or knuckle-headed about it. We're coming out whatever.
In practice I expect the EU will be fairly reasonable if only because it will perceive it to be in its interest to be so, but if it perceives that interest to include an element of punishment, we can hardly complain. It's what we voted for, or 52% of us at least.
The EU will do a trade deal that maximises the economic benefit for them and minimises the benefit for the UK. That's the reality of a small country doing a deal with a big one.
There is plenty of UK business they will have their eye on attracting to the continent and I'm sure they'll negotiate with that in mind.
The euroskeptics have spent years bashing the EU over the head so I'm sure there will be plenty of EU leaders who will approach the deal with a large degree of schadenfreude.
What we do know is that whatever they offer, our Government will take it, because it feels obliged to enact the result of the referendum. Whether that is wise is another question, but it is going to happen.
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& try and sell them back to her !malcolmg said:
Tell it as it is Calum, usual blatant Tory lies , they are not the NASTY party for nothing. They would steal their grannies false teeth and blame it on someone else. You just cannot trust them on anything other than they will try to take every penny you have by foul means.MTimT said:
How many see the original vs how many see the correction? How many care? How many votes would change as a result of the 'exposure'?calum said:Easy mistake !!
https://twitter.com/AngrySalmond/status/857147572451987456
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Scottish Subsample Klaxon Alert!!!
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Lab: 17
SNP: 41
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Woah.CarlottaVance said:Scottish Subsample Klaxon Alert!!!
(Base size 110 - MOE ±12)
Con: 36
Lab: 17
SNP: 41
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If the SNP came 2nd to the Tories I wouldn't stop laughing for the rest of the year.Mortimer said:
Woah.CarlottaVance said:Scottish Subsample Klaxon Alert!!!
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Con: 36
Lab: 17
SNP: 41
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/pm-april-2017-tables.pdf
How's that Indyref2 going, Nicky?
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Mr. P, I think a debate between Sturgeon, Farron, the Fish Finger, and Archbishop Nuttall could be entertaining.0
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