I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
You're really selling the LibDems - to the Tinfoil Tendency.
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
Are you kidding or actually mental? You think the Israeli Government has actual interest in a tin-pot* political website in the UK?
* In the most affectionate way. I didn't want to write that but my Zionist handlers insisted.
Back to politics, do any of you feel that there will be swingback in the polls towards Labour as we approach polling day?
The consensus is that things will get worse for Labour.
Firstly, condolences to Sunil.
On swingback to Labour:
a) Black Swan of whatever nature.
b) CPS charges on expenses is the obvious one, though it depends on the number and nature. There may be none, and that's that, of course. Clearly there is a "political" defence to anything that were brought of that "innocent until proven - we will stoutly deny etc etc" which would kick it at that point well past June 8th, and (lawyers advise please) we get into sub judice I guess on the details which might cap it all after a few days of bad headlines.
I have a feeling that the heavy artillery on Corbyn's associations with matters Irish and Middle Eastern is being held back till this point (I really feel we ain't seen nothing yet), as at that point people can draw whatever moral equivalence or otherwise from "an accusation of not doing expenses right that's yet to be proven", to "here's the Labour candidate for Prime Minister's speech at such and such a rally in 1984 and a video in 1993 and a photo in 2005" or whatever is stored at Tory HQ.
It's a moot point how well these associations are known generally (not that much is my guess) but they will, I suggest, go down indescribably badly in Middle Britain.
And keep telling the innocent voters hearing this for the first time (sigh) that this is not just any old MP but *the man the Labour Party has nurtured for 30+ years and finally elected as its official LEADER and putative PM*. This is seriously dangerous for Labour. Chickens, roost, etc.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn was undermined by "endless leaks" from Labour's own staff, according to his former spokesman.
Matt Zarb-Cousin, who dealt with political journalists at Westminster on behalf of Mr Corbyn, blamed staff at Labour's head office for leaking damaging information to the press.
Labour staff are based at an office called Southside in Victoria Street, Westminster. The Labour leader - in a similar way to other opposition leaders before him - also has a personal team of staff based at offices in the Parliamentary estate itself.
ELBOW for week ending Sunday 23rd gave the Tories a simple average of 45.67, a lead of 19.89%. That was 9 polls including Norstat.
I wanted to look at the individual polling tables like with the original ELBOW methodology from 2 years back, but sadly my dear old Dad passed away early on Saturday morning, quite suddenly while having his shower. He was 80. I didn't say until now because I was in the denial phase I guess.
Sorry to hear that news Sunil.
Happened to me just 3 weeks when my Dad passed away three days short of his 76th b'day. In many ways I am also still in denial and we all grieve differently I guess but make sure you look after your Mum please.
Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were
Conservatives 73%
SNP 13%
I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP
Needless to say no one else is worth quoting
Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2
Still following the suggestion from PfP about looking at potential Labour leadership contenders who have majorities greater than 10,000 and therefore might still be in contention
Starting at 10,000, one of the first names on the list is Catherine McKinnell who I personally think would be an excellent choice, but is probably disqualified on account of being the wrong sex for a Labour leader.
A few rows below that though, we come to a name that seems almost destined.
A leader who can clean up the mess and dispel the loony left from the party forever.
I give you, Stephen Kinnock
@ 33/1 with the magic sign
I'm on.
Very good tip, methinks. I'm on at 43s
Right name, right age, right seat (maybe - huge Lab majority that I mistakenly bet against in BF Sportsbook).
Now, lets just hope I lose my bet on him losing his seat.....
The man's absurd. Like other people who have found themselves down that path, he insists shadowy cabals of enemies, purely political enemies of course, are behind any criticism, indignant that anyone could criticise them for any reason other than that political, oh yes political to be sure, reason.
The Party is absurd, for keeping him in place for so long.
It has come to a pretty pass when with respect to Israel, UKIP looks a more liberal party than the Liberal Democrats.
I have already seen a number of Lib Dem activists complain about the suspension...
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
Corbyn is better rated than Hague and Foot were vs Blair and Thatcher
But that is perhaps the Labour numbers are so small that Corbyn raters are more numerous. Having said that, Labour numbers are comparable to 1983. So , maybe, Corbyn is doing better than Foot. Also, Scotland is different today.
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
Are you kidding or actually mental? You think the Israeli Government has actual interest in a tin-pot* political website in the UK?
* In the most affectionate way.
Of course the Israeli Government is concerned at contradicting criticism on this and other websites . I think it was on Conhome but it may have been on here some years ago when I riled him enough to admit he was posting the Israeli Government's " Point Of View "
Corbyn has to be a Tory sleeper agent... Knacks labour party, agrees to a GE he can't win, refuses to do a debate where the pm would be empty chaired..
ELBOW for week ending Sunday 23rd gave the Tories a simple average of 45.67, a lead of 19.89%. That was 9 polls including Norstat.
I wanted to look at the individual polling tables like with the original ELBOW methodology from 2 years back, but sadly my dear old Dad passed away early on Saturday morning, quite suddenly while having his shower. He was 80. I didn't say until now because I was in the denial phase I guess.
Sorry to hear that news Sunil.
Happened to me just 3 weeks when my Dad passed away three days short of his 76th b'day. In many ways I am also still in denial and we all grieve differently I guess but make sure you look after your Mum please.
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
Be careful, Mark. The bully boys [ and girls ] will be at you. Any criticism of the Israeli government will be interpreted as an anti-Zionist and , you guessed it, an anti-Semitic attack.
Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were
Conservatives 73%
SNP 13%
I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP
Needless to say no one else is worth quoting
Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2
With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
Murali, just wait until the attack dogs are set upon on you. Israel cannot be criticised.
On topic (is there one?) it was obvious that Jezza's desire for a united Ireland, free from the oppressive yoke of the imperial British state, gained after a violent uprising against the Crown Forces, would at some point be examined. Where's the surprise?
Apparently it's not cricket according to Roger and a couple of others
Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were
Conservatives 73%
SNP 13%
I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP
Needless to say no one else is worth quoting
Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2
With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
I just find the poll most unexpected. Is Ruth Davidson move to be the pro Union party going to win a lot more support than an Indy 2 party. All will be revealed on the 9th June
My sympathies to @Sunil_Prasannan - I always feel myself lost for words in circumstances like this, but I trust that he will find the time to read through this thread and appreciate the thoughts that so many of us have expressed far more eloquently than I can.
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
Are you kidding or actually mental? You think the Israeli Government has actual interest in a tin-pot* political website in the UK?
* In the most affectionate way.
Of course the Israeli Government is concerned at contradicting criticism on this and other websites . I think it was on Conhome but it may have been on here some years ago when I riled him enough to admit he was posting the Israeli Government's " Point Of View "
Mark, with the greatest respect - step away from the keyboard
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
He's done much more that - he's a typical modern anti-semite who tries to hide it behing "I'm just criticising Israel". Those of us with experience aren't fooled.
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
Are you kidding or actually mental? You think the Israeli Government has actual interest in a tin-pot* political website in the UK?
* In the most affectionate way.
Of course the Israeli Government is concerned at contradicting criticism on this and other websites . I think it was on Conhome but it may have been on here some years ago when I riled him enough to admit he was posting the Israeli Government's " Point Of View "
Mark, with the greatest respect - step away from the keyboard
What has:
“a shame there isn’t a powerful, well-funded Board of Deputies for Roma”.
MoE on a correctly sampled poll is 1.96*SQRT([p*(1-p)]/n) where p is the probability (from 0 to 1) and n is number of samples.
On a sample of 1000: 50% = MoE of 3.09% 25% = MoE of 2.68% 10% = MoE of 1.86%
A bit late.. but here's the Monte Carlo approach that Alistair touched on. Solid lines are the simulation, dashed lines is using the formula. A perfect match!
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
He's done much more that - he's a typical modern anti-semite who tries to hide it behing "I'm just criticising Israel". Those of us with experience aren't fooled.
You do not even know the meaning of the word anti-semite . Many of the moslims in Bradford are in fact semitic
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
He's done much more that - he's a typical modern anti-semite who tries to hide it behing "I'm just criticising Israel". Those of us with experience aren't fooled.
You do not even know the meaning of the word anti-semite . Many of the moslims in Bradford are in fact semitic
The word "semite" has been hijacked just like Palestinian lands.
Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were
Conservatives 73%
SNP 13%
I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP
Needless to say no one else is worth quoting
Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2
With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
I just find the poll most unexpected. Is Ruth Davidson move to be the pro Union party going to win a lot more support than an Indy 2 party. All will be revealed on the 9th June
It's a random vodoo poll on a low circulation paper that backed No at the he last IndyRef. It is about as valid as a lettuce leaf for telling us what is happening.
Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were
Conservatives 73%
SNP 13%
I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP
Needless to say no one else is worth quoting
Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2
With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
On present polling the SNP leader at Westminster could well lose his seat to the Tories
Corbyn has to be a Tory sleeper agent... Knacks labour party, agrees to a GE he can't win, refuses to do a debate where the pm would be empty chaired..
I'm no admirer of Corbyn. In fact, I think he's an idiot. However, avoiding the 'debate' is a sane decision on his part. The Tory lead appears impregnable, and being in a debate with Farron could only lose Labour votes. Refusing to debate without May destroys the debate (who would listen to a debate between the seven dwarves when Snow White and the evil witch are missing), so avoiding Farron taking votes from Corbyn, and still allowing Labour to claim that May's chicken.
The outgoing MP for Barnsley East added: “It is a remarkable achievement for the leadership to have taken a catastrophic situation in Scotland and made it quite a lot worse. We seem to be doing worse in Wales. We’ve gone backwards amongst every demographic, every region of the country.
“Jeremy is behind Theresa May on managing the NHS. It’s quite a special achievement to put all of that together in a short period of time. Hats off to Jeremy and Seumas, Diane [Abbott] and John [McDonnell]. That’s pretty special.”
MoE on a correctly sampled poll is 1.96*SQRT([p*(1-p)]/n) where p is the probability (from 0 to 1) and n is number of samples.
On a sample of 1000: 50% = MoE of 3.09% 25% = MoE of 2.68% 10% = MoE of 1.86%
A bit late.. but here's the Monte Carlo approach that Alistair touched on. Solid lines are the simulation, dashed lines is using the formula. A perfect match!
MoE on a correctly sampled poll is 1.96*SQRT([p*(1-p)]/n) where p is the probability (from 0 to 1) and n is number of samples.
On a sample of 1000: 50% = MoE of 3.09% 25% = MoE of 2.68% 10% = MoE of 1.86%
A bit late.. but here's the Monte Carlo approach that Alistair touched on. Solid lines are the simulation, dashed lines is using the formula. A perfect match!
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
He's done much more that - he's a typical modern anti-semite who tries to hide it behing "I'm just criticising Israel". Those of us with experience aren't fooled.
You do not even know the meaning of the word anti-semite . Many of the moslims in Bradford are in fact semitic
Indeed, he is right. The polls should not be believed. They are severely understating the depth of animosity to Labour and Corbyn. The result on the day will be worse.
MoE on a correctly sampled poll is 1.96*SQRT([p*(1-p)]/n) where p is the probability (from 0 to 1) and n is number of samples.
On a sample of 1000: 50% = MoE of 3.09% 25% = MoE of 2.68% 10% = MoE of 1.86%
A bit late.. but here's the Monte Carlo approach that Alistair touched on. Solid lines are the simulation, dashed lines is using the formula. A perfect match!
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
He's done much more that - he's a typical modern anti-semite who tries to hide it behing "I'm just criticising Israel". Those of us with experience aren't fooled.
You do not even know the meaning of the word anti-semite . Many of the moslims in Bradford are in fact semitic
I know the meaning of the word Semite, and I know the meaning of the word anti-semite.
Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were
Conservatives 73%
SNP 13%
I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP
Needless to say no one else is worth quoting
Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2
With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
I just find the poll most unexpected. Is Ruth Davidson move to be the pro Union party going to win a lot more support than an Indy 2 party. All will be revealed on the 9th June
The Scotsman is DT-lite equivalent - so "poll" is more of a readers survey. I think SCON are succeeding in polarising things down to Unionist v SNP/Green - with SCON being the only unionist party !!
The comparison of Angela Rayner with Nye Bevan is mindboggling.
“The Attlee government was famous for the NHS, the Corbyn government will be famous for the National Education Service. In the Attlee government, Nye Bevan delivered the NHS, our Nye Bevan is here tonight, Angela Rayner is going to deliver the National Education Service.”
Doesn't the juxtaposition make it obvious that the NHS would be regarded as a bonkers idea if it didn't exist and was being proposed by Labour now?
Those who support without a critical eye some of the reckless, shameful and odious activities of the Israeli/Palestinian/Hamas authorities and their acolytes are simply willfully blind.
Tories canvas & leaflet Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet
Wonder which is most effective?
By that graphic, Lib Dems canvass nearly as much as, and leaflet more than, the Conservatives.
Shhhhh. You will upset Carlotta. She is always correct.
Liar.
That description suits you perfectly when the other day you labelled me as an "expatriate rentier".
I am neither an expatriate nor do I rent out a property.
I confused foul mouthed misogynistic boors - I'm devastated. My humble apologies.
You lied that I had commented on the May's sex life.
I am not going to continue this because I do consider you, and have always done, as boorish. Unlike, Fitalass, who also repeats her Master's [ or, Mistress's ] voice, but is always polite.
Those who support without a critical eye some of the reckless, shameful and odious activities of the Israeli/Palestinian/Hamas authorities and their acolytes are simply willfully blind.
Oh Jack, you will be in trouble too ! Your estate, think about your estate.
Corbyn is better rated than Hague and Foot were vs Blair and Thatcher
But that is perhaps the Labour numbers are so small that Corbyn raters are more numerous. Having said that, Labour numbers are comparable to 1983. So , maybe, Corbyn is doing better than Foot. Also, Scotland is different today.
For that matter, Corbyn's rating isn't much below EdM's, and there are probably more who really like him a lot. These are all low bars but the impression given by some that Corbyn is uniquely and almost universally despised is simply wrong.
Makes a change for Polly to be reaching for the sandbags instead of a nose peg. Can’t say I’ve any sympathy for her, she’s been a big part of Labour’s problems for two decades.
Corbyn is better rated than Hague and Foot were vs Blair and Thatcher
But that is perhaps the Labour numbers are so small that Corbyn raters are more numerous. Having said that, Labour numbers are comparable to 1983. So , maybe, Corbyn is doing better than Foot. Also, Scotland is different today.
For that matter, Corbyn's rating isn't much below EdM's, and there are probably more who really like him a lot. These are all low bars but the impression given by some that Corbyn is uniquely and almost universally despised is simply wrong.
Corbyn is better rated than either Foot or Hague when facing Thatcher or Blair at their height. Unfortunately for him, so is May.
Makes a change for Polly to be reaching for the sandbags instead of a nose peg. Can’t say I’ve any sympathy for her, she’s been a big part of Labour’s problems for two decades.
Mrs May has ruled out a so-called “death tax” to pay for social care, but among the policies she has been urged to consider is a “social insurance” scheme, similar to National Insurance but payable by the over-40s for life.
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
Are you kidding or actually mental? You think the Israeli Government has actual interest in a tin-pot* political website in the UK?
* In the most affectionate way. I didn't want to write that but my Zionist handlers insisted.
I cannot stand such self superiority (unless it's in the mirror). Hard working people vote Tory all the goddamn time, even if more typically vote Labour, and even that might not be true if the polls are right.
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
Are you kidding or actually mental? You think the Israeli Government has actual interest in a tin-pot* political website in the UK?
* In the most affectionate way.
Of course the Israeli Government is concerned at contradicting criticism on this and other websites . I think it was on Conhome but it may have been on here some years ago when I riled him enough to admit he was posting the Israeli Government's " Point Of View "
Mark, with the greatest respect - step away from the keyboard
Good advice.
It is not just David Wards remarks that are a problem, but his Livingstone like reluctance to recant.
I am glad that he is no longer a PPC for our party.
Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were
Conservatives 73%
SNP 13%
I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP
Needless to say no one else is worth quoting
Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2
With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
I just find the poll most unexpected. Is Ruth Davidson move to be the pro Union party going to win a lot more support than an Indy 2 party. All will be revealed on the 9th June
It's a random vodoo poll on a low circulation paper that backed No at the he last IndyRef. It is about as valid as a lettuce leaf for telling us what is happening.
So there is no truth in Ruth winning the Union vote
Mrs May has ruled out a so-called “death tax” to pay for social care, but among the policies she has been urged to consider is a “social insurance” scheme, similar to National Insurance but payable by the over-40s for life.
Let's hope there is something in the manifesto on this.
I've just finished work on my little project: a spreadsheet to examine the effect of Ukip defections in the Conservatives' key constituencies.
I ranked the Tories' 50 tightest defences and 150 best targets, by percentage swing needed to change hands, based on the results when they were last contested. I then looked at the effect purely of the migration of voters from Ukip to Con on these seats. I ranked them using the following descriptors:
Highly marginal: majority 0-5%, swing of 2.5% or less needed to change hands Marginal: majority 5.01-10%, swing required up to 5% Safe: majority 10.01-20%, swing required up to 10% Very safe: majority 20.01% and above, swing of over 10% required
As things currently stand, the first 26 Conservative defences listed rank as highly marginal, the remaining 24 as marginal.
The 150 Conservative targets are as follows:
Highly marginal: 18 Labour, 3 Lib Dem, 1 SNP Marginal: 23 Labour, 1 Lib Dem, 1 Ukip Safe: 43 Labour, 6 SNP, 2 Lib Dem, 2 Plaid Cymru, 1 Green Very safe: 44 Labour, 5 SNP
For targets, the ranking reflects the position of the defeated Conservative candidate relative to the incumbent. In many of the safer seats, there are one or two other parties closer to the incumbent than the Tories.
If I assign one third of the Ukip vote to the Conservatives, then 21 of their key defences become safe, 21 marginal and only 8 highly marginal. Of their targets, they gain 18 seats from Labour, 2 from the LibDems, 1 from the SNP and 1 from Ukip. Of the uncaptured targets, 30 rank as highly marginal, 19 as marginal, 51 as safe and 28 as very safe.
If I assign one half of the Ukip vote to the Conservatives, then 1 of their key defences becomes very safe, 29 safe, 18 marginal and only 2 highly marginal. Of their targets, they gain 31 seats from Labour, 3 from the LibDems, 1 from the SNP and 1 from Ukip. Of the uncaptured targets, 26 rank as highly marginal, 22 as marginal, 53 as safe and 13 as very safe.
If I assign two thirds of the Ukip vote to the Conservatives, then 2 of their key defences become very safe, 34 safe, 13 marginal and only 1 highly marginal. Of their targets, they gain 47 seats from Labour, 3 from the LibDems, 1 from the SNP and 1 from Ukip. Of the uncaptured targets, 20 rank as highly marginal, 25 as marginal, 41 as safe and 12 as very safe.
These lists are intended simply to demonstrate the effect of the consolidation of the right-leaning vote under the Conservative banner alone. They take no account of the net movement of votes between any of the other parties.
Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were
Conservatives 73%
SNP 13%
I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP
Needless to say no one else is worth quoting
Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2
With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
I just find the poll most unexpected. Is Ruth Davidson move to be the pro Union party going to win a lot more support than an Indy 2 party. All will be revealed on the 9th June
The Scotsman is DT-lite equivalent - so "poll" is more of a readers survey. I think SCON are succeeding in polarising things down to Unionist v SNP/Green - with SCON being the only unionist party !!
I expect the LDs to gain Edinburgh West from the SNP too
I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
It's true. We actually have specially designed children-seeking bombs. Pilots get double pay for hitting childrens' wards in hospitals.
And the picnic benches are installed by govt for the best views. I take the kids there every year in bombing season.
Those who support without a critical eye some of the reckless, shameful and odious activities of the Israeli/Palestinian/Hamas authorities and their acolytes are simply willfully blind.
Oh Jack, you will be in trouble too ! Your estate, think about your estate.
There's room enough in the dungeons for those who wish to visit Auchentennach Castle, although not all will have the honour of being part of the nations finest pies .... Standards don't you know.
“There is no floor Labour might not fall below,” - that was the quote that stood out for me.
I keep saying there is, and they keep trying to convince me otherwise. Good job, Labour. Although as Nick and others have pointed out, weirdly in some respects they haven't been as low as it seems they could, scary as that is.
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Secondly Labour in general and Corbyn and McDonnell in particular deserve fully the ton of shit that will be landing on their heads.
Is Exeter up on BF?
https://twitter.com/GOsborneGenius/status/857197744020127745
The door to the Labour party is over there >>>>>>> David
* In the most affectionate way. I didn't want to write that but my Zionist handlers insisted.
And keep telling the innocent voters hearing this for the first time (sigh) that this is not just any old MP but *the man the Labour Party has nurtured for 30+ years and finally elected as its official LEADER and putative PM*. This is seriously dangerous for Labour. Chickens, roost, etc.
How sad. Never mind.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn was undermined by "endless leaks" from Labour's own staff, according to his former spokesman.
Matt Zarb-Cousin, who dealt with political journalists at Westminster on behalf of Mr Corbyn, blamed staff at Labour's head office for leaking damaging information to the press.
Labour staff are based at an office called Southside in Victoria Street, Westminster. The Labour leader - in a similar way to other opposition leaders before him - also has a personal team of staff based at offices in the Parliamentary estate itself.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-undermined-12949519
And thanks to everyone for your kind words.
Conservatives 73%
SNP 13%
I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP
Needless to say no one else is worth quoting
Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2
Right name, right age, right seat (maybe - huge Lab majority that I mistakenly bet against in BF Sportsbook).
Now, lets just hope I lose my bet on him losing his seat.....
Tories canvas & leaflet
Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet
Wonder which is most effective?
Conservatives have the cash for full time agents to organise leaflet production, leaflet delivery and canvassing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ward_(British_politician)#Controversies (http://tinyurl.com/kav37l3)
oooh the jews are out to get us all........!!!!
The Lib Dems are the most enthusiastic and
Greens are colossal virtue signallers
I'm mildly convinved that overactive hyperactive online stuff is a mild vote loser, but no way to test this.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/857268074562670592
I am neither an expatriate nor do I rent out a property.
https://twitter.com/johnrentoul/status/857275751648952320
“a shame there isn’t a powerful, well-funded Board of Deputies for Roma”.
Got to do with the State of Israel?
https://www.thejc.com/comment/leaders/libdem-s-inaction-over-david-ward-is-contemptible-1.51120
http://i.imgur.com/4zIdlJK.png
You lied that I had commented on the May's sex life.
They aren't going to happen are they? Wonder who predicted that...
The outgoing MP for Barnsley East added: “It is a remarkable achievement for the leadership to have taken a catastrophic situation in Scotland and made it quite a lot worse. We seem to be doing worse in Wales. We’ve gone backwards amongst every demographic, every region of the country.
“Jeremy is behind Theresa May on managing the NHS. It’s quite a special achievement to put all of that together in a short period of time. Hats off to Jeremy and Seumas, Diane [Abbott] and John [McDonnell]. That’s pretty special.”
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/85424/michael-dugher-jeremy-corbyn-must-stand-down-if
You're right! They're the cyberwarriors - along with the Greens.
Thanks for asking.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/26/labour-sandbags-survive-yory-tidal-wave-tactical-voting-progressive-alliances
Doesn't the juxtaposition make it obvious that the NHS would be regarded as a bonkers idea if it didn't exist and was being proposed by Labour now?
Mrs May has ruled out a so-called “death tax” to pay for social care, but among the policies she has been urged to consider is a “social insurance” scheme, similar to National Insurance but payable by the over-40s for life.
But gilt edged tin-pot.
I reckon they could go sub 10% in Hornchurch and Upminster
It is not just David Wards remarks that are a problem, but his Livingstone like reluctance to recant.
I am glad that he is no longer a PPC for our party.
***GEEKERY ALERT***
I've just finished work on my little project: a spreadsheet to examine the effect of Ukip defections in the Conservatives' key constituencies.
I ranked the Tories' 50 tightest defences and 150 best targets, by percentage swing needed to change hands, based on the results when they were last contested. I then looked at the effect purely of the migration of voters from Ukip to Con on these seats. I ranked them using the following descriptors:
Highly marginal: majority 0-5%, swing of 2.5% or less needed to change hands
Marginal: majority 5.01-10%, swing required up to 5%
Safe: majority 10.01-20%, swing required up to 10%
Very safe: majority 20.01% and above, swing of over 10% required
As things currently stand, the first 26 Conservative defences listed rank as highly marginal, the remaining 24 as marginal.
The 150 Conservative targets are as follows:
Highly marginal: 18 Labour, 3 Lib Dem, 1 SNP
Marginal: 23 Labour, 1 Lib Dem, 1 Ukip
Safe: 43 Labour, 6 SNP, 2 Lib Dem, 2 Plaid Cymru, 1 Green
Very safe: 44 Labour, 5 SNP
For targets, the ranking reflects the position of the defeated Conservative candidate relative to the incumbent. In many of the safer seats, there are one or two other parties closer to the incumbent than the Tories.
If I assign one third of the Ukip vote to the Conservatives, then 21 of their key defences become safe, 21 marginal and only 8 highly marginal. Of their targets, they gain 18 seats from Labour, 2 from the LibDems, 1 from the SNP and 1 from Ukip. Of the uncaptured targets, 30 rank as highly marginal, 19 as marginal, 51 as safe and 28 as very safe.
If I assign one half of the Ukip vote to the Conservatives, then 1 of their key defences becomes very safe, 29 safe, 18 marginal and only 2 highly marginal. Of their targets, they gain 31 seats from Labour, 3 from the LibDems, 1 from the SNP and 1 from Ukip. Of the uncaptured targets, 26 rank as highly marginal, 22 as marginal, 53 as safe and 13 as very safe.
If I assign two thirds of the Ukip vote to the Conservatives, then 2 of their key defences become very safe, 34 safe, 13 marginal and only 1 highly marginal. Of their targets, they gain 47 seats from Labour, 3 from the LibDems, 1 from the SNP and 1 from Ukip. Of the uncaptured targets, 20 rank as highly marginal, 25 as marginal, 41 as safe and 12 as very safe.
These lists are intended simply to demonstrate the effect of the consolidation of the right-leaning vote under the Conservative banner alone. They take no account of the net movement of votes between any of the other parties.
***GEEKERY ENDS***
And the picnic benches are installed by govt for the best views. I take the kids there every year in bombing season.