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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    MoE on a correctly sampled poll is 1.96*SQRT([p*(1-p)]/n) where p is the probability (from 0 to 1) and n is number of samples.

    On a sample of 1000:
    50% = MoE of 3.09%
    25% = MoE of 2.68%
    10% = MoE of 1.86%

    Snap
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Firstly, Sunil, my condolences on your loss

    Secondly Labour in general and Corbyn and McDonnell in particular deserve fully the ton of shit that will be landing on their heads.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
    You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
    When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    MoE on a correctly sampled poll is 1.96*SQRT([p*(1-p)]/n) where p is the probability (from 0 to 1) and n is number of samples.

    On a sample of 1000:
    50% = MoE of 3.09%
    25% = MoE of 2.68%
    10% = MoE of 1.86%

    Snap
    Double Snap but I did it with empirical experimentation.
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,040
    edited April 2017
    Scott_P said:
    From talking to my friends in Exeter, I know that Ben Bradshaw is a very popular local MP who has a big personal vote.

    Is Exeter up on BF?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
    You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
    When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
    You're really selling the LibDems - to the Tinfoil Tendency.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    That damned jewish conspiracy

    The door to the Labour party is over there >>>>>>> David
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2017

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
    You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
    When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
    Are you kidding or actually mental? You think the Israeli Government has actual interest in a tin-pot* political website in the UK?

    * In the most affectionate way. I didn't want to write that but my Zionist handlers insisted.
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    welshowl said:

    murali_s said:

    Back to politics, do any of you feel that there will be swingback in the polls towards Labour as we approach polling day?

    The consensus is that things will get worse for Labour.

    Firstly, condolences to Sunil.

    On swingback to Labour:

    a) Black Swan of whatever nature.

    b) CPS charges on expenses is the obvious one, though it depends on the number and nature. There may be none, and that's that, of course. Clearly there is a "political" defence to anything that were brought of that "innocent until proven - we will stoutly deny etc etc" which would kick it at that point well past June 8th, and (lawyers advise please) we get into sub judice I guess on the details which might cap it all after a few days of bad headlines.

    I have a feeling that the heavy artillery on Corbyn's associations with matters Irish and Middle Eastern is being held back till this point (I really feel we ain't seen nothing yet), as at that point people can draw whatever moral equivalence or otherwise from "an accusation of not doing expenses right that's yet to be proven", to "here's the Labour candidate for Prime Minister's speech at such and such a rally in 1984 and a video in 1993 and a photo in 2005" or whatever is stored at Tory HQ.

    It's a moot point how well these associations are known generally (not that much is my guess) but they will, I suggest, go down indescribably badly in Middle Britain.

    And keep telling the innocent voters hearing this for the first time (sigh) that this is not just any old MP but *the man the Labour Party has nurtured for 30+ years and finally elected as its official LEADER and putative PM*. This is seriously dangerous for Labour. Chickens, roost, etc.

    How sad. Never mind.

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    Ferrets in a sack:

    Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn was undermined by "endless leaks" from Labour's own staff, according to his former spokesman.

    Matt Zarb-Cousin, who dealt with political journalists at Westminster on behalf of Mr Corbyn, blamed staff at Labour's head office for leaking damaging information to the press.

    Labour staff are based at an office called Southside in Victoria Street, Westminster. The Labour leader - in a similar way to other opposition leaders before him - also has a personal team of staff based at offices in the Parliamentary estate itself.


    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-undermined-12949519
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Oh dear Labour fans - dont turn on sky news now
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    "magical money tree" lol - she must be a fan of PB
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,277
    murali_s said:

    ELBOW for week ending Sunday 23rd gave the Tories a simple average of 45.67, a lead of 19.89%. That was 9 polls including Norstat.

    I wanted to look at the individual polling tables like with the original ELBOW methodology from 2 years back, but sadly my dear old Dad passed away early on Saturday morning, quite suddenly while having his shower. He was 80. I didn't say until now because I was in the denial phase I guess.

    Sorry to hear that news Sunil.

    Happened to me just 3 weeks when my Dad passed away three days short of his 76th b'day. In many ways I am also still in denial and we all grieve differently I guess but make sure you look after your Mum please.
    Condolences to you too, Murali.

    And thanks to everyone for your kind words.
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    ToryJim said:

    The Queen has set the election in train.

    https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/857261549802729474

    God Save Her Majesty, and in the meantime, will Betfair now please pay out on my Year of Next UK General Election bet?
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    Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were

    Conservatives 73%

    SNP 13%

    I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP

    Needless to say no one else is worth quoting

    Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    LOL - answer - BORROW , BORROW BORROW
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Someone pull the plug and put this idiot out of her misery
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,942
    Scott_P said:

    *** BETTING POST ***

    haven't had one of those for a while...

    Still following the suggestion from PfP about looking at potential Labour leadership contenders who have majorities greater than 10,000 and therefore might still be in contention

    looking at this spreadsheet

    http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/mps-maj.htm

    Starting at 10,000, one of the first names on the list is Catherine McKinnell who I personally think would be an excellent choice, but is probably disqualified on account of being the wrong sex for a Labour leader.

    A few rows below that though, we come to a name that seems almost destined.

    A leader who can clean up the mess and dispel the loony left from the party forever.

    I give you, Stephen Kinnock

    @ 33/1 with the magic sign

    I'm on.

    Very good tip, methinks. I'm on at 43s

    Right name, right age, right seat (maybe - huge Lab majority that I mistakenly bet against in BF Sportsbook).

    Now, lets just hope I lose my bet on him losing his seat.....
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Floater said:

    Firstly, Sunil, my condolences on your loss

    Secondly Labour in general and Corbyn and McDonnell in particular deserve fully the ton of shit that will be landing on their heads.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o13glRURgTE
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    kle4 said:

    The man's absurd. Like other people who have found themselves down that path, he insists shadowy cabals of enemies, purely political enemies of course, are behind any criticism, indignant that anyone could criticise them for any reason other than that political, oh yes political to be sure, reason.
    The Party is absurd, for keeping him in place for so long.

    It has come to a pretty pass when with respect to Israel, UKIP looks a more liberal party than the Liberal Democrats.
    I have already seen a number of Lib Dem activists complain about the suspension...

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
    You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
    When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
    QED.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    For the 'Theresa May is only highly rated because Corbyn is rubbish school of denial thought':

    https://twitter.com/IpsosMORI/status/857195587548192768

    Corbyn is better rated than Hague and Foot were vs Blair and Thatcher

    But that is perhaps the Labour numbers are so small that Corbyn raters are more numerous. Having said that, Labour numbers are comparable to 1983. So , maybe, Corbyn is doing better than Foot. Also, Scotland is different today.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Anorak said:

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
    You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
    When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
    Are you kidding or actually mental? You think the Israeli Government has actual interest in a tin-pot* political website in the UK?

    * In the most affectionate way.
    Of course the Israeli Government is concerned at contradicting criticism on this and other websites . I think it was on Conhome but it may have been on here some years ago when I riled him enough to admit he was posting the Israeli Government's " Point Of View "
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2017
    Corbyn has to be a Tory sleeper agent... Knacks labour party, agrees to a GE he can't win, refuses to do a debate where the pm would be empty chaired..
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    murali_s said:

    ELBOW for week ending Sunday 23rd gave the Tories a simple average of 45.67, a lead of 19.89%. That was 9 polls including Norstat.

    I wanted to look at the individual polling tables like with the original ELBOW methodology from 2 years back, but sadly my dear old Dad passed away early on Saturday morning, quite suddenly while having his shower. He was 80. I didn't say until now because I was in the denial phase I guess.

    Sorry to hear that news Sunil.

    Happened to me just 3 weeks when my Dad passed away three days short of his 76th b'day. In many ways I am also still in denial and we all grieve differently I guess but make sure you look after your Mum please.
    My condolences to you also, @murali_s
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,209

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    Is this adjusted for age?
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,410
    Floater said:

    Someone pull the plug and put this idiot out of her misery

    It's not that noted polymath Dawn Butler is it?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
    You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
    When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
    Be careful, Mark. The bully boys [ and girls ] will be at you. Any criticism of the Israeli government will be interpreted as an anti-Zionist and , you guessed it, an anti-Semitic attack.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    Is this adjusted for age?
    The members are who the members are. Tories have been 'pensioners' since the 1960s at least.....
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited April 2017

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    To be fair they are targeting different demographics so method effectiveness may vary.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were

    Conservatives 73%

    SNP 13%

    I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP

    Needless to say no one else is worth quoting

    Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2

    With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    Good graphic

    Conservatives have the cash for full time agents to organise leaflet production, leaflet delivery and canvassing.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    Murali, just wait until the attack dogs are set upon on you. Israel cannot be criticised.
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    So Tories shy but active & effective. Who knew?

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    TOPPING said:

    Just catching up having been away a while.

    @Sunil and @murali_s very sorry to hear your news.

    On topic (is there one?) it was obvious that Jezza's desire for a united Ireland, free from the oppressive yoke of the imperial British state, gained after a violent uprising against the Crown Forces, would at some point be examined. Where's the surprise?

    Apparently it's not cricket according to Roger and a couple of others
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,289
    edited April 2017
    calum said:

    Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were

    Conservatives 73%

    SNP 13%

    I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP

    Needless to say no one else is worth quoting

    Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2

    With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
    I just find the poll most unexpected. Is Ruth Davidson move to be the pro Union party going to win a lot more support than an Indy 2 party. All will be revealed on the 9th June
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    My sympathies to @Sunil_Prasannan - I always feel myself lost for words in circumstances like this, but I trust that he will find the time to read through this thread and appreciate the thoughts that so many of us have expressed far more eloquently than I can.
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    Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,816

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    By that graphic, Lib Dems canvass nearly as much as, and leaflet more than, the Conservatives.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
    You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
    When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
    LOL - got your tinfoil hat on?

    oooh the jews are out to get us all........!!!!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    Prodicus said:

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    So Tories shy but active & effective. Who knew?

    I'd add:

    The Lib Dems are the most enthusiastic and
    Greens are colossal virtue signallers
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    By that graphic, Lib Dems canvass nearly as much as, and leaflet more than, the Conservatives.
    Shhhhh. You will upset Carlotta. She is always correct.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    My sympathies to @murali_s too - I missed your equally sad news whilst scrolling through today's posts.
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    By that graphic, Lib Dems canvass nearly as much as, and leaflet more than, the Conservatives.
    ... and Labour (hidden under the blue blobs)

    I'm mildly convinved that overactive hyperactive online stuff is a mild vote loser, but no way to test this.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    By that graphic, Lib Dems canvass nearly as much as, and leaflet more than, the Conservatives.
    Yes, I've already noted the Lib Dems are the most enthusiastic over all.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Anorak said:

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
    You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
    When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
    Are you kidding or actually mental? You think the Israeli Government has actual interest in a tin-pot* political website in the UK?

    * In the most affectionate way.
    Of course the Israeli Government is concerned at contradicting criticism on this and other websites . I think it was on Conhome but it may have been on here some years ago when I riled him enough to admit he was posting the Israeli Government's " Point Of View "
    Mark, with the greatest respect - step away from the keyboard

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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    He's done much more that - he's a typical modern anti-semite who tries to hide it behing "I'm just criticising Israel". Those of us with experience aren't fooled.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    surbiton said:

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    By that graphic, Lib Dems canvass nearly as much as, and leaflet more than, the Conservatives.
    Shhhhh. You will upset Carlotta. She is always correct.
    Liar.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,410
    It seems the Labour comfort blanket is the polling misfires recently.

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/857268074562670592
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    "Hold your nose and vote Lib Dem"

    And so it begins... The Labour party is out for the count.
    What does a Labour supporter do in Kingston & Surbiton ? Let me think........
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    By that graphic, Lib Dems canvass nearly as much as, and leaflet more than, the Conservatives.
    Yes, I've already noted the Lib Dems are the most enthusiastic over all.
    Isn't yellow the cybernats?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    By that graphic, Lib Dems canvass nearly as much as, and leaflet more than, the Conservatives.
    Shhhhh. You will upset Carlotta. She is always correct.
    Liar.
    That description suits you perfectly when the other day you labelled me as an "expatriate rentier".

    I am neither an expatriate nor do I rent out a property.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Mark Senior once spoke to a guy on the internet who said that article was written by Mossad.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    Floater said:

    Anorak said:

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
    You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
    When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
    Are you kidding or actually mental? You think the Israeli Government has actual interest in a tin-pot* political website in the UK?

    * In the most affectionate way.
    Of course the Israeli Government is concerned at contradicting criticism on this and other websites . I think it was on Conhome but it may have been on here some years ago when I riled him enough to admit he was posting the Israeli Government's " Point Of View "
    Mark, with the greatest respect - step away from the keyboard

    What has:

    “a shame there isn’t a powerful, well-funded Board of Deputies for Roma”.

    Got to do with the State of Israel?

    https://www.thejc.com/comment/leaders/libdem-s-inaction-over-david-ward-is-contemptible-1.51120
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,964
    edited April 2017

    MoE on a correctly sampled poll is 1.96*SQRT([p*(1-p)]/n) where p is the probability (from 0 to 1) and n is number of samples.

    On a sample of 1000:
    50% = MoE of 3.09%
    25% = MoE of 2.68%
    10% = MoE of 1.86%

    A bit late.. but here's the Monte Carlo approach that Alistair touched on. Solid lines are the simulation, dashed lines is using the formula. A perfect match!

    http://i.imgur.com/4zIdlJK.png
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,040
    It looks like I will be voting LD here in Wimbledon. I have a feeling they will finish a strong second - let's see.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    He's done much more that - he's a typical modern anti-semite who tries to hide it behing "I'm just criticising Israel". Those of us with experience aren't fooled.
    You do not even know the meaning of the word anti-semite . Many of the moslims in Bradford are in fact semitic
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,628

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    Think you need to have another look at the chart! Are you getting LD and SNP mixed up?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    By that graphic, Lib Dems canvass nearly as much as, and leaflet more than, the Conservatives.
    Shhhhh. You will upset Carlotta. She is always correct.
    Liar.
    That description suits you perfectly when the other day you labelled me as an "expatriate rentier".

    I am neither an expatriate nor do I rent out a property.
    I confused foul mouthed misogynistic boors - I'm devastated. My humble apologies.

    You lied that I had commented on the May's sex life.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    He's done much more that - he's a typical modern anti-semite who tries to hide it behing "I'm just criticising Israel". Those of us with experience aren't fooled.
    You do not even know the meaning of the word anti-semite . Many of the moslims in Bradford are in fact semitic
    The word "semite" has been hijacked just like Palestinian lands.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    calum said:

    Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were

    Conservatives 73%

    SNP 13%

    I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP

    Needless to say no one else is worth quoting

    Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2

    With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
    I just find the poll most unexpected. Is Ruth Davidson move to be the pro Union party going to win a lot more support than an Indy 2 party. All will be revealed on the 9th June
    It's a random vodoo poll on a low circulation paper that backed No at the he last IndyRef. It is about as valid as a lettuce leaf for telling us what is happening.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991
    calum said:

    Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were

    Conservatives 73%

    SNP 13%

    I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP

    Needless to say no one else is worth quoting

    Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2

    With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
    On present polling the SNP leader at Westminster could well lose his seat to the Tories
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,815
    So that's Jezza and Tessa out of the debates.

    They aren't going to happen are they? Wonder who predicted that...
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    Corbyn has to be a Tory sleeper agent... Knacks labour party, agrees to a GE he can't win, refuses to do a debate where the pm would be empty chaired..

    I'm no admirer of Corbyn. In fact, I think he's an idiot. However, avoiding the 'debate' is a sane decision on his part. The Tory lead appears impregnable, and being in a debate with Farron could only lose Labour votes. Refusing to debate without May destroys the debate (who would listen to a debate between the seven dwarves when Snow White and the evil witch are missing), so avoiding Farron taking votes from Corbyn, and still allowing Labour to claim that May's chicken.
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    dugher:

    The outgoing MP for Barnsley East added: “It is a remarkable achievement for the leadership to have taken a catastrophic situation in Scotland and made it quite a lot worse. We seem to be doing worse in Wales. We’ve gone backwards amongst every demographic, every region of the country.

    “Jeremy is behind Theresa May on managing the NHS. It’s quite a special achievement to put all of that together in a short period of time. Hats off to Jeremy and Seumas, Diane [Abbott] and John [McDonnell]. That’s pretty special.”

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/85424/michael-dugher-jeremy-corbyn-must-stand-down-if
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    RobD said:

    MoE on a correctly sampled poll is 1.96*SQRT([p*(1-p)]/n) where p is the probability (from 0 to 1) and n is number of samples.

    On a sample of 1000:
    50% = MoE of 3.09%
    25% = MoE of 2.68%
    10% = MoE of 1.86%

    A bit late.. but here's the Monte Carlo approach that Alistair touched on. Solid lines are the simulation, dashed lines is using the formula. A perfect match!

    http://i.imgur.com/4zIdlJK.png
    Regardless of sample size, the highest MoE is around the 50% mark.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    By that graphic, Lib Dems canvass nearly as much as, and leaflet more than, the Conservatives.
    Yes, I've already noted the Lib Dems are the most enthusiastic over all.
    Isn't yellow the cybernats?

    You're right! They're the cyberwarriors - along with the Greens.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,964
    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    MoE on a correctly sampled poll is 1.96*SQRT([p*(1-p)]/n) where p is the probability (from 0 to 1) and n is number of samples.

    On a sample of 1000:
    50% = MoE of 3.09%
    25% = MoE of 2.68%
    10% = MoE of 1.86%

    A bit late.. but here's the Monte Carlo approach that Alistair touched on. Solid lines are the simulation, dashed lines is using the formula. A perfect match!

    http://i.imgur.com/4zIdlJK.png
    Regardless of sample size, the highest MoE is around the 50% mark.
    Not when the sample size is equal to the electorate, or zero.. :D
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    He's done much more that - he's a typical modern anti-semite who tries to hide it behing "I'm just criticising Israel". Those of us with experience aren't fooled.
    You do not even know the meaning of the word anti-semite . Many of the moslims in Bradford are in fact semitic
    Semantics. Would you prefer Jew-hater?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,209
    ToryJim said:

    It seems the Labour comfort blanket is the polling misfires recently.

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/857268074562670592

    Indeed, he is right. The polls should not be believed. They are severely understating the depth of animosity to Labour and Corbyn. The result on the day will be worse.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    MoE on a correctly sampled poll is 1.96*SQRT([p*(1-p)]/n) where p is the probability (from 0 to 1) and n is number of samples.

    On a sample of 1000:
    50% = MoE of 3.09%
    25% = MoE of 2.68%
    10% = MoE of 1.86%

    A bit late.. but here's the Monte Carlo approach that Alistair touched on. Solid lines are the simulation, dashed lines is using the formula. A perfect match!

    http://i.imgur.com/4zIdlJK.png
    Regardless of sample size, the highest MoE is around the 50% mark.
    Not when the sample size is equal to the electorate, or zero.. :D
    Ok. We need a sample of 30m.
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    ToryJim said:

    It seems the Labour comfort blanket is the polling misfires recently.

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/857268074562670592

    The comparison of Angela Rayner with Nye Bevan is mindboggling.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    He's done much more that - he's a typical modern anti-semite who tries to hide it behing "I'm just criticising Israel". Those of us with experience aren't fooled.
    You do not even know the meaning of the word anti-semite . Many of the moslims in Bradford are in fact semitic
    I know the meaning of the word Semite, and I know the meaning of the word anti-semite.

    Thanks for asking.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    calum said:

    Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were

    Conservatives 73%

    SNP 13%

    I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP

    Needless to say no one else is worth quoting

    Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2

    With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
    I just find the poll most unexpected. Is Ruth Davidson move to be the pro Union party going to win a lot more support than an Indy 2 party. All will be revealed on the 9th June
    The Scotsman is DT-lite equivalent - so "poll" is more of a readers survey. I think SCON are succeeding in polarising things down to Unionist v SNP/Green - with SCON being the only unionist party !!
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057

    ToryJim said:

    It seems the Labour comfort blanket is the polling misfires recently.

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/857268074562670592

    The comparison of Angela Rayner with Nye Bevan is mindboggling.
    “The Attlee government was famous for the NHS, the Corbyn government will be famous for the National Education Service. In the Attlee government, Nye Bevan delivered the NHS, our Nye Bevan is here tonight, Angela Rayner is going to deliver the National Education Service.”

    Doesn't the juxtaposition make it obvious that the NHS would be regarded as a bonkers idea if it didn't exist and was being proposed by Labour now?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Those who support without a critical eye some of the reckless, shameful and odious activities of the Israeli/Palestinian/Hamas authorities and their acolytes are simply willfully blind.



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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    https://twitter.com/ESRCPtyMembers/status/856750248550596608

    Tories canvas & leaflet
    Labour Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Lib Dems Like on Facebook & Display a Poster
    Greens Like on Facebook & Re-tweet

    Wonder which is most effective?

    By that graphic, Lib Dems canvass nearly as much as, and leaflet more than, the Conservatives.
    Shhhhh. You will upset Carlotta. She is always correct.
    Liar.
    That description suits you perfectly when the other day you labelled me as an "expatriate rentier".

    I am neither an expatriate nor do I rent out a property.
    I confused foul mouthed misogynistic boors - I'm devastated. My humble apologies.

    You lied that I had commented on the May's sex life.
    I am not going to continue this because I do consider you, and have always done, as boorish. Unlike, Fitalass, who also repeats her Master's [ or, Mistress's ] voice, but is always polite.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    JackW said:

    Those who support without a critical eye some of the reckless, shameful and odious activities of the Israeli/Palestinian/Hamas authorities and their acolytes are simply willfully blind.



    Oh Jack, you will be in trouble too ! Your estate, think about your estate.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,334
    surbiton said:

    For the 'Theresa May is only highly rated because Corbyn is rubbish school of denial thought':

    https://twitter.com/IpsosMORI/status/857195587548192768

    Corbyn is better rated than Hague and Foot were vs Blair and Thatcher

    But that is perhaps the Labour numbers are so small that Corbyn raters are more numerous. Having said that, Labour numbers are comparable to 1983. So , maybe, Corbyn is doing better than Foot. Also, Scotland is different today.
    For that matter, Corbyn's rating isn't much below EdM's, and there are probably more who really like him a lot. These are all low bars but the impression given by some that Corbyn is uniquely and almost universally despised is simply wrong.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    GIN1138 said:
    Makes a change for Polly to be reaching for the sandbags instead of a nose peg. Can’t say I’ve any sympathy for her, she’s been a big part of Labour’s problems for two decades.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,653

    surbiton said:

    For the 'Theresa May is only highly rated because Corbyn is rubbish school of denial thought':

    https://twitter.com/IpsosMORI/status/857195587548192768

    Corbyn is better rated than Hague and Foot were vs Blair and Thatcher

    But that is perhaps the Labour numbers are so small that Corbyn raters are more numerous. Having said that, Labour numbers are comparable to 1983. So , maybe, Corbyn is doing better than Foot. Also, Scotland is different today.
    For that matter, Corbyn's rating isn't much below EdM's, and there are probably more who really like him a lot. These are all low bars but the impression given by some that Corbyn is uniquely and almost universally despised is simply wrong.
    Corbyn is better rated than either Foot or Hague when facing Thatcher or Blair at their height. Unfortunately for him, so is May.
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    GIN1138 said:
    Makes a change for Polly to be reaching for the sandbags instead of a nose peg. Can’t say I’ve any sympathy for her, she’s been a big part of Labour’s problems for two decades.
    I miss the like button.
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/25/theresa-may-hints-social-care-manifesto-pledge-says-cant-duck/

    Mrs May has ruled out a so-called “death tax” to pay for social care, but among the policies she has been urged to consider is a “social insurance” scheme, similar to National Insurance but payable by the over-40s for life.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Anorak said:

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
    You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
    When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
    Are you kidding or actually mental? You think the Israeli Government has actual interest in a tin-pot* political website in the UK?

    * In the most affectionate way. I didn't want to write that but my Zionist handlers insisted.

    But gilt edged tin-pot.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,926
    edited April 2017
    Is anyone prepared to price up Labour Lost Deposits?

    I reckon they could go sub 10% in Hornchurch and Upminster
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    ToryJim said:
    I cannot stand such self superiority (unless it's in the mirror). Hard working people vote Tory all the goddamn time, even if more typically vote Labour, and even that might not be true if the polls are right.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Floater said:

    Anorak said:

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
    You are David Ward and I claim my tenner
    When someone called just David reappears on here as they have done in the past you know the Israeli government has an interest in what is being discussed .
    Are you kidding or actually mental? You think the Israeli Government has actual interest in a tin-pot* political website in the UK?

    * In the most affectionate way.
    Of course the Israeli Government is concerned at contradicting criticism on this and other websites . I think it was on Conhome but it may have been on here some years ago when I riled him enough to admit he was posting the Israeli Government's " Point Of View "
    Mark, with the greatest respect - step away from the keyboard

    Good advice.

    It is not just David Wards remarks that are a problem, but his Livingstone like reluctance to recant.

    I am glad that he is no longer a PPC for our party.
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    Alistair said:

    calum said:

    Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were

    Conservatives 73%

    SNP 13%

    I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP

    Needless to say no one else is worth quoting

    Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2

    With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
    I just find the poll most unexpected. Is Ruth Davidson move to be the pro Union party going to win a lot more support than an Indy 2 party. All will be revealed on the 9th June
    It's a random vodoo poll on a low circulation paper that backed No at the he last IndyRef. It is about as valid as a lettuce leaf for telling us what is happening.
    So there is no truth in Ruth winning the Union vote
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,209
    marke09 said:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/25/theresa-may-hints-social-care-manifesto-pledge-says-cant-duck/

    Mrs May has ruled out a so-called “death tax” to pay for social care, but among the policies she has been urged to consider is a “social insurance” scheme, similar to National Insurance but payable by the over-40s for life.

    Let's hope there is something in the manifesto on this.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Good evening all.

    ***GEEKERY ALERT***

    I've just finished work on my little project: a spreadsheet to examine the effect of Ukip defections in the Conservatives' key constituencies.

    I ranked the Tories' 50 tightest defences and 150 best targets, by percentage swing needed to change hands, based on the results when they were last contested. I then looked at the effect purely of the migration of voters from Ukip to Con on these seats. I ranked them using the following descriptors:

    Highly marginal: majority 0-5%, swing of 2.5% or less needed to change hands
    Marginal: majority 5.01-10%, swing required up to 5%
    Safe: majority 10.01-20%, swing required up to 10%
    Very safe: majority 20.01% and above, swing of over 10% required

    As things currently stand, the first 26 Conservative defences listed rank as highly marginal, the remaining 24 as marginal.

    The 150 Conservative targets are as follows:

    Highly marginal: 18 Labour, 3 Lib Dem, 1 SNP
    Marginal: 23 Labour, 1 Lib Dem, 1 Ukip
    Safe: 43 Labour, 6 SNP, 2 Lib Dem, 2 Plaid Cymru, 1 Green
    Very safe: 44 Labour, 5 SNP

    For targets, the ranking reflects the position of the defeated Conservative candidate relative to the incumbent. In many of the safer seats, there are one or two other parties closer to the incumbent than the Tories.

    If I assign one third of the Ukip vote to the Conservatives, then 21 of their key defences become safe, 21 marginal and only 8 highly marginal. Of their targets, they gain 18 seats from Labour, 2 from the LibDems, 1 from the SNP and 1 from Ukip. Of the uncaptured targets, 30 rank as highly marginal, 19 as marginal, 51 as safe and 28 as very safe.

    If I assign one half of the Ukip vote to the Conservatives, then 1 of their key defences becomes very safe, 29 safe, 18 marginal and only 2 highly marginal. Of their targets, they gain 31 seats from Labour, 3 from the LibDems, 1 from the SNP and 1 from Ukip. Of the uncaptured targets, 26 rank as highly marginal, 22 as marginal, 53 as safe and 13 as very safe.

    If I assign two thirds of the Ukip vote to the Conservatives, then 2 of their key defences become very safe, 34 safe, 13 marginal and only 1 highly marginal. Of their targets, they gain 47 seats from Labour, 3 from the LibDems, 1 from the SNP and 1 from Ukip. Of the uncaptured targets, 20 rank as highly marginal, 25 as marginal, 41 as safe and 12 as very safe.

    These lists are intended simply to demonstrate the effect of the consolidation of the right-leaning vote under the Conservative banner alone. They take no account of the net movement of votes between any of the other parties.

    ***GEEKERY ENDS***
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,991
    calum said:

    calum said:

    Just been reading an article in today's Scotsman with demands for Nicola to lay out her plans for a second referendum before the election. It includes it's own live poll and the figures were

    Conservatives 73%

    SNP 13%

    I am sure some will say it is a voodoo poll but +60 conservatives over SNP

    Needless to say no one else is worth quoting

    Has Nicola made a serious miscalculation over indy2

    With SNP still stuck in mid-40% support - she'll not be to concerned - a Tory landslide and SLAB annihilation would be perfect result for her !
    I just find the poll most unexpected. Is Ruth Davidson move to be the pro Union party going to win a lot more support than an Indy 2 party. All will be revealed on the 9th June
    The Scotsman is DT-lite equivalent - so "poll" is more of a readers survey. I think SCON are succeeding in polarising things down to Unionist v SNP/Green - with SCON being the only unionist party !!
    I expect the LDs to gain Edinburgh West from the SNP too
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,410
    GIN1138 said:
    “There is no floor Labour might not fall below,” - that was the quote that stood out for me.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    murali_s said:

    I don't know much about this guy but if all he has done is criticize Israel, what is all the fuss about? For goodness sake, Israel deserves a hell of lot of criticism - I wish our Government would actually step up to the plate and blast Israel for their repressive actions at times.
    You must remember that when the Israeli Government bombs children in Gaza whilst Israeli citizens have picnics on nearby hillsides cheering as the bombs fall , an army of Israeli supporters will come out of the woodwork to defend and justify their actions .
    It's true. We actually have specially designed children-seeking bombs. Pilots get double pay for hitting childrens' wards in hospitals.

    And the picnic benches are installed by govt for the best views. I take the kids there every year in bombing season.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    surbiton said:

    JackW said:

    Those who support without a critical eye some of the reckless, shameful and odious activities of the Israeli/Palestinian/Hamas authorities and their acolytes are simply willfully blind.



    Oh Jack, you will be in trouble too ! Your estate, think about your estate.
    There's room enough in the dungeons for those who wish to visit Auchentennach Castle, although not all will have the honour of being part of the nations finest pies .... Standards don't you know.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    ToryJim said:

    GIN1138 said:
    “There is no floor Labour might not fall below,” - that was the quote that stood out for me.
    I keep saying there is, and they keep trying to convince me otherwise. Good job, Labour. Although as Nick and others have pointed out, weirdly in some respects they haven't been as low as it seems they could, scary as that is.
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