politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » UKIP’s collapse gives huge boost to CON in Wales. Now 10% ahea
Comments
-
If you put it that way ...kle4 said:
We can't even launch someone on a one way doomed crash landing to Mars? Damn.logical_song said:
Not possible in 4 years.kle4 said:
No problem.calum said:Trump setting a new target !
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/856579753716862976
Wait - do they have to a) land on the surface, b) return?
AIUI, the US don't have a man-rated heavy-lift rocket any more (in fact they don't have any man-rated rockets). The Falcon 9 Heavy, due for first flight in six months (*), will have enough oomph to launch a Dragon capsule to Mars. They're planning to do this (unmanned) in 2020, and company head Elon Musk has given it a 50/50 chance of landing successfully.
Mars is probably the hardest icy or rocky body to land on in the solar system. An appreciable gravity, with an atmosphere too tenuous for parachutes for large vehicles or for appreciable aerobraking, yet enough of an atmosphere to make rocket landings complicated.
AIUI. I am not a rocket scientist.
(*) A joke. It's been six months away from first flight for years.0 -
Dear Leader Paul Nuttall got to Mars this afternnoon, fooling journalists he was holed up in a hotel room.FrancisUrquhart said:Is Trump trying to get to Mars before the Vvvvhinese? And is he going to build a wall when the US get there to keep others out?
0 -
We can get people to Mars if we massively increase NASA's budget and also cut out alot of the inefficiency.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, hang on, Nasa are sending off another Mars rover, launch date mid 2020. https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/overview/JosiasJessop said:
Nope. They don't have a suitable rocket, capsule or tested landing mechanism, yet alone a way to return.logical_song said:
Not possible in 4 years.kle4 said:
No problem.calum said:Trump setting a new target !
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/856579753716862976
Wait - do they have to a) land on the surface, b) return?
Aside from that (oh, and a budget) - it's a goer.
SpaceX might be able to launch a Dragon 2 capsule (Red Dragon) on Mars in 2020, but that's nohere near big enough to be manned or useful for a manned flight.
I think the next synods are July 2018 and ?October? 2020.
Not sure how big the max payload is for an Atlas V rocket but there's time and to spare to beef it up. So a landing in Trump's first time would be at the far right of the sanity bell curve, but not strictly speaking impossible. "Return them in safety" raises some issues though.
My guess is Donald would be taken aback if shown a to-scale diagram of the earth, the ISS in low earth orbit, the moon, and Mars.
Or he should just give SpaceX $100 billion. Musk could probably build a rocket to get there in Trumps' second term with a great wodge of cash. NASA is inefficient with alot of their spend - the bloody SLS...0 -
Why not? How can you tell what effect your words are having? "It's just short for Pakistani, how can that be racist?" If you want to know if something is racist you ask the people or person who might be affected.Cyan said:
I'm not quite clear whether you support that ridiculous definition, Fysics_Teacher, or whether you are mocking it. That's not the definition of racism used by any sensible person.Fysics_Teacher said:
No. It's about racism.Cyan said:
This is about the Zionist lobby fighting the movement to "boycott, divest and sanction" (BDS) with any means necessary.Black_Rook said:
If someone says something that you perceive as racist then it is racist: this is the definition of racism used in this country.
The definition I used is a paraphrasing of "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person" which is the definition of a racist incident from the Macpherson report. It has been adopted by most if not all public sector institutions in Britain: we use it at the school I teach at. Do I support it? I thought it was ridiculous at first but having lived with it for nearly 20 years I would say it works.
What right do I to tell someone else that the name someone called them or the cartoon that some one has drawn in their book is not racist if they think it is?0 -
I'm genuinely bemused by that one.kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.0 -
'Quite what Labour does in the face of this impending disaster is hard to say.'
There is nothing they can do apart from brace themselves for the result. They've already tried to get rid of Corbyn and it failed miserably. I'm not sure (to quote Dan Jarvis) what the repulsive Yvette Cooper would achieve anyway. It might be an even worse result with her at the helm.
They have to take it on the chin and try again to shift Corbyn afterwards. And the only way that's even a possibility is if he resigns.
I have no sympathy whatsoever for Labour - they have brought this calamity upon themselves. The humiliation awaiting them is richly deserved.0 -
Making eye contact in Glasgow with the wrong person could be perceived by many as a threat - if ever you hear the phrase "who are you looking at" best ignore the Oxford guide and stop looking !!kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.0 -
Wales projection:
CON 22
LAB 13
L DEM 2
GREEN 0
UKIP 0
PLAID 30 -
Anybody know what the polls about that the Tele is quoting with the Tories set to win 67 Labour held marginal seats?0
-
Don't think the Tories will win Ceredigion, the Tories there will (and have in past) vote liberal to ensure that Plaid does not win.Pulpstar said:
How much do you want on Labour at 6-1 in Ceredigionisam said:Labour are 4/-6/1 in those Welsh constituencies now w Skybet... Newport East/West, Ceredigion, Delyn etc... over reaction?
?
The Tories are near to 50% in the rest according to my model.
The one to reback Labour at heavy odds against is Yns Mon.0 -
Graudian / ICM poll from earlier.GIN1138 said:Anybody know what the poll's about that the Tele is quoting with the Tories set to win 67 Labour held marginal seats?
0 -
There has to be a reasonableness test. I could perceive many things as racist or offensive, but it might be because I am an idiot and literally no one else would think that, and it would not be fair on society to curtail their free expression through official sanction because I am an idiot.Fysics_Teacher said:
Why not? How can you tell what effect your words are having? "It's just short for Pakistani, how can that be racist?" If you want to know if something is racist you ask the people or person who might be affected.Cyan said:
I'm not quite clear whether you support that ridiculous definition, Fysics_Teacher, or whether you are mocking it. That's not the definition of racism used by any sensible person.Fysics_Teacher said:
No. It's about racism.Cyan said:
This is about the Zionist lobby fighting the movement to "boycott, divest and sanction" (BDS) with any means necessary.Black_Rook said:
If someone says something that you perceive as racist then it is racist: this is the definition of racism used in this country.
The definition I used is a paraphrasing of "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person" which is the definition of a racist incident from the Macpherson report. It has been adopted by most if not all public sector institutions in Britain: we use it at the school I teach at. Do I support it? I thought it was ridiculous at first but having lived with it for nearly 20 years I would say it works.
What right do I to tell someone else that the name someone called them or the cartoon that some one has drawn in their book is not racist if they think it is?
Paki is a good example where while the user might not think they are being insensitive or racist, it would not, in a great many contexts, be unreasonable for someone to find it so. But that does not mean any single person's perception of perceived racism should be the only qualifier when determining whether it is so.
Objectively defining racism definitively is probably impossible, life is complex, but making it entirely subjective without qualification or reason, seems a step too far in the other direction.0 -
I never said they would.llef said:
Don't think the Tories will win Ceredigion, the Tories there will (and have in past) vote liberal to ensure that Plaid does not win.Pulpstar said:
How much do you want on Labour at 6-1 in Ceredigionisam said:Labour are 4/-6/1 in those Welsh constituencies now w Skybet... Newport East/West, Ceredigion, Delyn etc... over reaction?
?
The Tories are near to 50% in the rest according to my model.
The one to reback Labour at heavy odds against is Yns Mon.
It is a very safe Lib Dem seat.
Ceredigion forecast:
CON 17.48%
LAB 7.35%
L DEM 41.71%
GREEN 4.54%
UKIP 4.18%
PLAID 24.73%0 -
Idiot billionaires, stupid apps, and genius-level swearing: 10 reasons why Silicon Valley is the funniest show on TV
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/internets-biggest-jokes-silicon-valley-funniest-show-tv/
First episode of Season 4 aired last night in US and was very funny. Is on tonight in the UK.0 -
It's so weird to me that a 39 year old is with a 63 year old! Even weirder, is when they started dating....Fenster said:BTW, I spent three hours looking at photos of Macron's wife earlier.
63! Bloody hell. She looks younger than I do, and I'm the same age as Macron.0 -
And then theres getting off Mars? Mars' gravity is more than double that of the moon, which means you need a much more powerful rocket to get off, which you have to land safely in the first place.JosiasJessop said:
Nope. They don't have a suitable rocket, capsule or tested landing mechanism, yet alone a way to return.logical_song said:
Not possible in 4 years.kle4 said:
No problem.calum said:Trump setting a new target !
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/856579753716862976
Wait - do they have to a) land on the surface, b) return?
Aside from that (oh, and a budget) - it's a goer.
SpaceX might be able to launch a Dragon 2 capsule (Red Dragon) on Mars in 2020, but that's nohere near big enough to be manned or useful for a manned flight.
I think the next synods are July 2018 and ?October? 2020.0 -
+1kle4 said:
Thank goodness. Shameless, odious woman judging from the transcripts from the questioning at the time.FrancisUrquhart said:Former board members of the collapsed charity Kids Company – including its founder, Camila Batmanghelidjh, and the former BBC chief Alan Yentob – face being banned from serving as company directors, according to reports.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/24/kids-company-founder-camila-batmanghelidjh-facing-directorship-ban0 -
The Bank of England's staff gym has failed to update its lockers to accept the new £1, it has emerged, causing frustration among exercisers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/24/bank-englands-staff-gym-lockers-not-accepting-new-1-coins/0 -
'Not sure, the label seems to have fallen off' would be an entertaining reply. ;-)calum said:
Making eye contact in Glasgow with the wrong person could be perceived by many as a threat - if ever you hear the phrase "who are you looking at" best ignore the Oxford guide and stop looking !!kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.0 -
Thanks.FrancisUrquhart said:
Graudian / ICM poll from earlier.GIN1138 said:Anybody know what the poll's about that the Tele is quoting with the Tories set to win 67 Labour held marginal seats?
0 -
-
Cyan said:
Do you think the train-travelling Taffs worked a shorter day than you a longer one?AnneJGP said:
Forty-odd years ago I travelled a lot on the line between London & Bristol. I came to recognise that all the trains heading out of Wales were always packed, but the ones going into Wales half empty.FrancisUrquhart said:
Or the old are moving to Wales in droves, and being old they don't produce any new kids of their own?foxinsoxuk said:
That accounts for a lot, but is also very depressing. The young of Wales must be leaving in droves.CarlottaVance said: No data. I travelled random days of the week, random times of day. 0 -
Noted!calum said:
Making eye contact in Glasgow with the wrong person could be perceived by many as a threat - if ever you hear the phrase "who are you looking at" best ignore the Oxford guide and stop looking !!kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861
"This evening I decided to take my leave of the presidency of the National Front," she (MLP) told TV channel France 2.
"I will be above partisan considerations."
It is not clear if her decision will be permanent. She told France 2 that France is approaching a "decisive moment".0 -
Not just the transcripts. The BBC aired a documentary which was created by a long time friend of Batwoman, which was supposed to be a lovely soft soaper of what a great do-gooder she was, but the lady making said I just couldn't hide the stuff I witnessed. Batwoman was absolutely barking and totally disconnected from the real world.jayfdee said:
+1kle4 said:
Thank goodness. Shameless, odious woman judging from the transcripts from the questioning at the time.FrancisUrquhart said:Former board members of the collapsed charity Kids Company – including its founder, Camila Batmanghelidjh, and the former BBC chief Alan Yentob – face being banned from serving as company directors, according to reports.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/24/kids-company-founder-camila-batmanghelidjh-facing-directorship-ban
Sounds like somebody else, I just can't think who...0 -
I think it is very romantic !The_Apocalypse said:
It's so weird to me that a 39 year old is with a 63 year old! Even weirder, is when they started dating....Fenster said:BTW, I spent three hours looking at photos of Macron's wife earlier.
63! Bloody hell. She looks younger than I do, and I'm the same age as Macron.0 -
The age range is the same as between Donald and Melania, so not so remarkeable, apart from the obvious one.The_Apocalypse said:
It's so weird to me that a 39 year old is with a 63 year old! Even weirder, is when they started dating....Fenster said:BTW, I spent three hours looking at photos of Macron's wife earlier.
63! Bloody hell. She looks younger than I do, and I'm the same age as Macron.0 -
It certainly worked in Rotherham, by ensuring that the police accepted that they had no response to the racism card in any circumstances whatever.Fysics_Teacher said:
Why not? How can you tell what effect your words are having? "It's just short for Pakistani, how can that be racist?" If you want to know if something is racist you ask the people or person who might be affected.Cyan said:
I'm not quite clear whether you support that ridiculous definition, Fysics_Teacher, or whether you are mocking it. That's not the definition of racism used by any sensible person.Fysics_Teacher said:
No. It's about racism.Cyan said:
This is about the Zionist lobby fighting the movement to "boycott, divest and sanction" (BDS) with any means necessary.Black_Rook said:
If someone says something that you perceive as racist then it is racist: this is the definition of racism used in this country.
The definition I used is a paraphrasing of "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person" which is the definition of a racist incident from the Macpherson report. It has been adopted by most if not all public sector institutions in Britain: we use it at the school I teach at. Do I support it? I thought it was ridiculous at first but having lived with it for nearly 20 years I would say it works.
What right do I to tell someone else that the name someone called them or the cartoon that some one has drawn in their book is not racist if they think it is?
And consider the word "niggardly" over which a distinguished US academic lost his job. Happy about that?0 -
Mars 2020 is, AIUI, a revamp of the Curiosity rover, which weighs a ton(ne?). It uses the brilliantly Heath Robinsonesque skycrane to land it.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, hang on, Nasa are sending off another Mars rover, launch date mid 2020. https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/overview/JosiasJessop said:
Nope. They don't have a suitable rocket, capsule or tested landing mechanism, yet alone a way to return.logical_song said:
Not possible in 4 years.kle4 said:
No problem.calum said:Trump setting a new target !
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/856579753716862976
Wait - do they have to a) land on the surface, b) return?
Aside from that (oh, and a budget) - it's a goer.
SpaceX might be able to launch a Dragon 2 capsule (Red Dragon) on Mars in 2020, but that's nohere near big enough to be manned or useful for a manned flight.
I think the next synods are July 2018 and ?October? 2020.
Not sure how big the max payload is for an Atlas V rocket but there's time and to spare to beef it up. So a landing in Trump's first time would be at the far right of the sanity bell curve, but not strictly speaking impossible. "Return them in safety" raises some issues though.
My guess is Donald would be taken aback if shown a to-scale diagram of the earth, the ISS in low earth orbit, the moon, and Mars.
From Wiki, Atlas V HLV, which was never built, can get nearly 30 tonnes to LEO.
But the main issue is that they don't have a capsule capable of the journey - or at least of keeping people alive within it.
As an aside, after a few years the ISS started having problems with its water reclamation system. The filters were getting clogged. It turned out to be calcium, which was coming from the astronauts' bones. They were losing bone mass in zero-g, the calcium was getting excreted, and it was clogging up the filters.
Eeewwww.
There are a thousand and one issues like this to be sorted before a capsule can be made to go to Mars - the ISS has the advantages of being large and easily resuppliable from Earth when things go wrong.0 -
I don't really see what this achieves. Le Pen is the NF and the NF is Le Pen.chestnut said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861
"This evening I decided to take my leave of the presidency of the National Front," she (MLP) told TV channel France 2.
"I will be above partisan considerations."
It is not clear if her decision will be permanent. She told France 2 that France is approaching a "decisive moment".
It is like Farage saying he will stand at the GE, but as the Nigel Farage Party. People who like him will vote for him, people who dislike UKIP policies will still not vote for him.0 -
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LgD-1QQVIwYPulpstar said:
I think it is very romantic !The_Apocalypse said:
It's so weird to me that a 39 year old is with a 63 year old! Even weirder, is when they started dating....Fenster said:BTW, I spent three hours looking at photos of Macron's wife earlier.
63! Bloody hell. She looks younger than I do, and I'm the same age as Macron.0 -
Are you in Bosworth this Saturday?Pulpstar said:
I never said they would.llef said:
Don't think the Tories will win Ceredigion, the Tories there will (and have in past) vote liberal to ensure that Plaid does not win.Pulpstar said:
How much do you want on Labour at 6-1 in Ceredigionisam said:Labour are 4/-6/1 in those Welsh constituencies now w Skybet... Newport East/West, Ceredigion, Delyn etc... over reaction?
?
The Tories are near to 50% in the rest according to my model.
The one to reback Labour at heavy odds against is Yns Mon.
It is a very safe Lib Dem seat.
Ceredigion forecast:
CON 17.48%
LAB 7.35%
L DEM 41.71%
GREEN 4.54%
UKIP 4.18%
PLAID 24.73%0 -
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/856471766255927297GIN1138 said:
Thanks.FrancisUrquhart said:
Graudian / ICM poll from earlier.GIN1138 said:Anybody know what the poll's about that the Tele is quoting with the Tories set to win 67 Labour held marginal seats?
0 -
Given that avoiding eye contact is common in Autism isn't this stupidity itself discriminatory?kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.0 -
The NF?FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't really see what this achieves. Le Pen is the NF and the NF is Le Pen.chestnut said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861
"This evening I decided to take my leave of the presidency of the National Front," she (MLP) told TV channel France 2.
"I will be above partisan considerations."
It is not clear if her decision will be permanent. She told France 2 that France is approaching a "decisive moment".
It is like Farage saying he will stand at the GE, but as the Nigel Farage Party. People who like him will vote for him, people who dislike UKIP policies will still not vote for him.0 -
She thinks she can be Marianne instead of Marine.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't really see what this achieves. Le Pen is the NF and the NF is Le Pen.chestnut said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861
"This evening I decided to take my leave of the presidency of the National Front," she (MLP) told TV channel France 2.
"I will be above partisan considerations."
It is not clear if her decision will be permanent. She told France 2 that France is approaching a "decisive moment".
It is like Farage saying he will stand at the GE, but as the Nigel Farage Party. People who like him will vote for him, people who dislike UKIP policies will still not vote for him.
It might backfire if the core FN supporters think she's betrayed them.0 -
Sorry FN...isam said:
The NF?FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't really see what this achieves. Le Pen is the NF and the NF is Le Pen.chestnut said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861
"This evening I decided to take my leave of the presidency of the National Front," she (MLP) told TV channel France 2.
"I will be above partisan considerations."
It is not clear if her decision will be permanent. She told France 2 that France is approaching a "decisive moment".
It is like Farage saying he will stand at the GE, but as the Nigel Farage Party. People who like him will vote for him, people who dislike UKIP policies will still not vote for him.0 -
A gambit to try and win over those who share her views on many things but who recoil at the FN brand, I guess.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't really see what this achieves. Le Pen is the NF and the NF is Le Pen. It is like Farage saying he will stand at the GE, but as the Nigel Farage Party. People who like him will vote for him, people who dislike UKIP policies will still not vote for him.chestnut said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861
"This evening I decided to take my leave of the presidency of the National Front," she (MLP) told TV channel France 2.
"I will be above partisan considerations."
It is not clear if her decision will be permanent. She told France 2 that France is approaching a "decisive moment".
I have no idea whether her personal favourability polling and that of the FN diverge.0 -
Nor me, Jason. No sympathy at all. The current crisis has its roots as far back as the Blair/Brown wars but they are by no means the only culprits.Jason said:'Quite what Labour does in the face of this impending disaster is hard to say.'
There is nothing they can do apart from brace themselves for the result. They've already tried to get rid of Corbyn and it failed miserably. I'm not sure (to quote Dan Jarvis) what the repulsive Yvette Cooper would achieve anyway. It might be an even worse result with her at the helm.
They have to take it on the chin and try again to shift Corbyn afterwards. And the only way that's even a possibility is if he resigns.
I have no sympathy whatsoever for Labour - they have brought this calamity upon themselves. The humiliation awaiting them is richly deserved.
But a democracy needs a decent opposition. The Tories went a.w.o.l. during the IDS period, and the country was all the worse for it. The Labour Government was simply not subjected to the type of scrutiny that was needed. The same is happening now with colors reversed.
And you don't have to be especially charitable to feel some sympathy for the people Labour is supposed to represent. Who will speak for them if Labour doesn't?0 -
Weeks to convince them? He's had over a year!ToryJim said:0 -
THREE HOURS .....blimey, do you fancy her a bit then?Fenster said:BTW, I spent three hours looking at photos of Macron's wife earlier.
63! Bloody hell. She looks younger than I do, and I'm the same age as Macron.0 -
It might have worked if she did it a year ago, but between round one and round two....chestnut said:
A gambit to try and win over those who share her views on many things but who recoil at the FN brand, I guess.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't really see what this achieves. Le Pen is the NF and the NF is Le Pen. It is like Farage saying he will stand at the GE, but as the Nigel Farage Party. People who like him will vote for him, people who dislike UKIP policies will still not vote for him.chestnut said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861
"This evening I decided to take my leave of the presidency of the National Front," she (MLP) told TV channel France 2.
"I will be above partisan considerations."
It is not clear if her decision will be permanent. She told France 2 that France is approaching a "decisive moment".
I have no idea whether her personal favourability polling and that of the FN diverge.0 -
It looks a bit desperate, certainly.FrancisUrquhart said:
It might have worked if she did it a year ago, but between round one and round two....chestnut said:
A gambit to try and win over those who share her views on many things but who recoil at the FN brand, I guess.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't really see what this achieves. Le Pen is the NF and the NF is Le Pen. It is like Farage saying he will stand at the GE, but as the Nigel Farage Party. People who like him will vote for him, people who dislike UKIP policies will still not vote for him.chestnut said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861
"This evening I decided to take my leave of the presidency of the National Front," she (MLP) told TV channel France 2.
"I will be above partisan considerations."
It is not clear if her decision will be permanent. She told France 2 that France is approaching a "decisive moment".
I have no idea whether her personal favourability polling and that of the FN diverge.
Do they have any direct debates now? Just the run off candidates?0 -
The thing is, it works. (At least it seems to well enough at school).kle4 said:
There has to be a reasonableness test. I could perceive many things as racist or offensive, but it might be because I am an idiot, and it would not be fair on society to curtail their free expression through official sanction because I am an idiot.Fysics_Teacher said:
Why not? How can you tell what effect your words are having? "It's just short for Pakistani, how can that be racist?" If you want to know if something is racist you ask the people or person who might be affected.Cyan said:
I'm not quite clear whether you support that ridiculous definition, Fysics_Teacher, or whether you are mocking it. That's not the definition of racism used by any sensible person.Fysics_Teacher said:
No. It's about racism.Cyan said:
This is about the Zionist lobby fighting the movement to "boycott, divest and sanction" (BDS) with any means necessary.Black_Rook said:
If someone says something that you perceive as racist then it is racist: this is the definition of racism used in this country.
The definition I used is a paraphrasing of "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person" which is the definition of a racist incident from the Macpherson report. It has been adopted by most if not all public sector institutions in Britain: we use it at the school I teach at. Do I support it? I thought it was ridiculous at first but having lived with it for nearly 20 years I would say it works.
What right do I to tell someone else that the name someone called them or the cartoon that some one has drawn in their book is not racist if they think it is?
If people start to abuse it, accusing physics teachers of racism because they were talking about black-body radiation or similar then it will break down and we will have to find another one. But that will be difficult because it will involve you telling someone who is deeply upset at what they have been called that they are wrong.
I am worried when I see stories like the one above about 'micro-aggressions' but most of those are people being offended on behalf of someone else.0 -
Oi! The SLS project is very efficiently designing a brilliant rocket system (and it will be) that NASA can only afford to fly once a year ...Pulpstar said:
We can get people to Mars if we massively increase NASA's budget and also cut out alot of the inefficiency.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, hang on, Nasa are sending off another Mars rover, launch date mid 2020. https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/overview/JosiasJessop said:
Nope. They don't have a suitable rocket, capsule or tested landing mechanism, yet alone a way to return.logical_song said:
Not possible in 4 years.kle4 said:
No problem.calum said:Trump setting a new target !
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/856579753716862976
Wait - do they have to a) land on the surface, b) return?
Aside from that (oh, and a budget) - it's a goer.
SpaceX might be able to launch a Dragon 2 capsule (Red Dragon) on Mars in 2020, but that's nohere near big enough to be manned or useful for a manned flight.
I think the next synods are July 2018 and ?October? 2020.
Not sure how big the max payload is for an Atlas V rocket but there's time and to spare to beef it up. So a landing in Trump's first time would be at the far right of the sanity bell curve, but not strictly speaking impossible. "Return them in safety" raises some issues though.
My guess is Donald would be taken aback if shown a to-scale diagram of the earth, the ISS in low earth orbit, the moon, and Mars.
Or he should just give SpaceX $100 billion. Musk could probably build a rocket to get there in Trumps' second term with a great wodge of cash. NASA is inefficient with alot of their spend - the bloody SLS...
Musk couldn't do that in time: he regularly misses his timescales.
Besides, what would the mission be? Kennedy's speech was brilliant because it gave three easy-to-measure aims: 1) get man to the moon, 2) before the end of the decade, and 3) return them safely.
Any Mars shot would need equally clear aims. And getting there quickly in this manner may please Zubrin, but not Musk: it risks having the Apollo situation once more. "We've been there, why send anyone else?" Whereas Musk wants a continuing project.
There's also many, many technical issues to be solved. The larger the craft we send, the more redundancy we can have to solve those issues. And our current launchers cannot raise enough mass, even with the added complexities of construction in orbit.0 -
As a Scouser, "Are youse looking at me" was an invitation to a fight, the response ,if you were up for it was "So what if I am",kle4 said:
Noted!calum said:
Making eye contact in Glasgow with the wrong person could be perceived by many as a threat - if ever you hear the phrase "who are you looking at" best ignore the Oxford guide and stop looking !!kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.
Looking at someone in Liverpool was a serious breach of etiquette.0 -
I heard on France 24 yesterday say there would be a head to head debate.chestnut said:
It looks a bit desperate, certainly.FrancisUrquhart said:
It might have worked if she did it a year ago, but between round one and round two....chestnut said:
A gambit to try and win over those who share her views on many things but who recoil at the FN brand, I guess.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't really see what this achieves. Le Pen is the NF and the NF is Le Pen. It is like Farage saying he will stand at the GE, but as the Nigel Farage Party. People who like him will vote for him, people who dislike UKIP policies will still not vote for him.chestnut said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861
"This evening I decided to take my leave of the presidency of the National Front," she (MLP) told TV channel France 2.
"I will be above partisan considerations."
It is not clear if her decision will be permanent. She told France 2 that France is approaching a "decisive moment".
I have no idea whether her personal favourability polling and that of the FN diverge.
Do they have any direct debates now? Just the run off candidates?0 -
Eye contact is also culture specific. Looking people in the eye can be a problem in Burma for example, seen as aggression.brokenwheel said:
Given that avoiding eye contact is common in Autism isn't this stupidity itself discriminatory?kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.0 -
Indeed so ....Pulpstar said:
I think it is very romantic !The_Apocalypse said:
It's so weird to me that a 39 year old is with a 63 year old! Even weirder, is when they started dating....Fenster said:BTW, I spent three hours looking at photos of Macron's wife earlier.
63! Bloody hell. She looks younger than I do, and I'm the same age as Macron.
Mrs JackW is 143 ....
0 -
No, Farage's solo party!FrancisUrquhart said:
Sorry FN...isam said:
The NF?FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't really see what this achieves. Le Pen is the NF and the NF is Le Pen.chestnut said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861
"This evening I decided to take my leave of the presidency of the National Front," she (MLP) told TV channel France 2.
"I will be above partisan considerations."
It is not clear if her decision will be permanent. She told France 2 that France is approaching a "decisive moment".
It is like Farage saying he will stand at the GE, but as the Nigel Farage Party. People who like him will vote for him, people who dislike UKIP policies will still not vote for him.0 -
It might be ok at school level, but it seems too simplistic and a means to shut other people down once you get to adult hoodFysics_Teacher said:
The thing is, it works. (At least it seems to well enough at school).kle4 said:
There has to be a reasonableness test. I could perceive many things as racist or offensive, but it might be because I am an idiot, and it would not be fair on society to curtail their free expression through official sanction because I am an idiot.Fysics_Teacher said:
Why not? How can you tell what effect your words are having? "It's just short for Pakistani, how can that be racist?" If you want to know if something is racist you ask the people or person who might be affected.Cyan said:
I'm not quite clear whether you support that ridiculous definition, Fysics_Teacher, or whether you are mocking it. That's not the definition of racism used by any sensible person.Fysics_Teacher said:
No. It's about racism.Cyan said:
This is about the Zionist lobby fighting the movement to "boycott, divest and sanction" (BDS) with any means necessary.Black_Rook said:
If someone says something that you perceive as racist then it is racist: this is the definition of racism used in this country.
The definition I used is a paraphrasing of "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person" which is the definition of a racist incident from the Macpherson report. It has been adopted by most if not all public sector institutions in Britain: we use it at the school I teach at. Do I support it? I thought it was ridiculous at first but having lived with it for nearly 20 years I would say it works.
What right do I to tell someone else that the name someone called them or the cartoon that some one has drawn in their book is not racist if they think it is?0 -
And remaining wildly off-topic, here's NASA@s costing for a manned Mars mission: $450 billion for an austere mission over three decades.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/04/the-journey-to-mars-has-a-price-tag-and-it-will-give-congress-sticker-shock/
Ouch.0 -
The EU demands financial services be ring fenced from Brexit deal.
https://twitter.com/brexit/status/8565822903523328010 -
I was thinking that myselfbrokenwheel said:
Given that avoiding eye contact is common in Autism isn't this stupidity itself discriminatory?kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.0 -
I see May has got the team back together...First Lynton Dead Cat Crosby and now Jim Messina.
https://www.ft.com/content/09a54221-3bb0-3f42-8fe2-19657f9d96f30 -
0
-
An Asian fellow I used to work with, probably the nicest person I have met in the betting game, used to say things were only racist if the intention was to be.
How old fashioned that seems now0 -
It's going to present difficulties for those who avoid eye-contact because the other person will interpret eye-contact as a 'challenge' or 'disrespect'.Sean_F said:
I'm genuinely bemused by that one.kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.0 -
The Tories ;-)Peter_the_Punter said:
Nor me, Jason. No sympathy at all. The current crisis has its roots as far back as the Blair/Brown wars but they are by no means the only culprits.Jason said:'Quite what Labour does in the face of this impending disaster is hard to say.'
There is nothing they can do apart from brace themselves for the result. They've already tried to get rid of Corbyn and it failed miserably. I'm not sure (to quote Dan Jarvis) what the repulsive Yvette Cooper would achieve anyway. It might be an even worse result with her at the helm.
They have to take it on the chin and try again to shift Corbyn afterwards. And the only way that's even a possibility is if he resigns.
I have no sympathy whatsoever for Labour - they have brought this calamity upon themselves. The humiliation awaiting them is richly deserved.
But a democracy needs a decent opposition. The Tories went a.w.o.l. during the IDS period, and the country was all the worse for it. The Labour Government was simply not subjected to the type of scrutiny that was needed. The same is happening now with colors reversed.
And you don't have to be especially charitable to feel some sympathy for the people Labour is supposed to represent. Who will speak for them if Labour doesn't?0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIvNjWobzAjayfdee said:
As a Scouser, "Are youse looking at me" was an invitation to a fight, the response ,if you were up for it was "So what if I am",kle4 said:
Noted!calum said:
Making eye contact in Glasgow with the wrong person could be perceived by many as a threat - if ever you hear the phrase "who are you looking at" best ignore the Oxford guide and stop looking !!kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.
Looking at someone in Liverpool was a serious breach of etiquette.0 -
Well, the good people of Oxford know better, so tough diddums.foxinsoxuk said:
Eye contact is also culture specific. Looking people in the eye can be a problem in Burma for example, seen as aggression.brokenwheel said:
Given that avoiding eye contact is common in Autism isn't this stupidity itself discriminatory?kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.0 -
And how old is your girlfriend, Jack?JackW said:
Indeed so ....Pulpstar said:
I think it is very romantic !The_Apocalypse said:
It's so weird to me that a 39 year old is with a 63 year old! Even weirder, is when they started dating....Fenster said:BTW, I spent three hours looking at photos of Macron's wife earlier.
63! Bloody hell. She looks younger than I do, and I'm the same age as Macron.
Mrs JackW is 143 ....0 -
Silly. If they want to avoid an offshore Singapore.williamglenn said:The EU demands financial services be ring fenced from Brexit deal.
https://twitter.com/brexit/status/8565822903523328010 -
It seems so.FrancisUrquhart said:
I heard on France 24 yesterday say there would be a head to head debate.chestnut said:
It looks a bit desperate, certainly.FrancisUrquhart said:
It might have worked if she did it a year ago, but between round one and round two....chestnut said:
A gambit to try and win over those who share her views on many things but who recoil at the FN brand, I guess.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't really see what this achieves. Le Pen is the NF and the NF is Le Pen. It is like Farage saying he will stand at the GE, but as the Nigel Farage Party. People who like him will vote for him, people who dislike UKIP policies will still not vote for him.chestnut said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861
"This evening I decided to take my leave of the presidency of the National Front," she (MLP) told TV channel France 2.
"I will be above partisan considerations."
It is not clear if her decision will be permanent. She told France 2 that France is approaching a "decisive moment".
I have no idea whether her personal favourability polling and that of the FN diverge.
Do they have any direct debates now? Just the run off candidates?
May 3rd.
Melenchon has refused to endorse Macron, Hollande has.0 -
Le Pen is learning from her father's round 2 humiliation in 2002. Very much doubt it will work, but she has to roll some dice - she can't just sit there passively and watch the nation enjoy a rare rush of unity as they put old disputes aside and come together to give the common enemy a kicking.0
-
They wouldn't be pointing towards where they got their loans from?Saltire said:Regarding the decision by MLP
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/8565852967875051520 -
It is the yardstick in tbe NHS too.kle4 said:
It might be ok at school level, but it seems too simplistic and a means to shut other people down once you get to adult hoodFysics_Teacher said:
The thing is, it works. (At least it seems to well enough at school).kle4 said:
There has to be a reasonableness test. I could perceive many things as racist or offensive, but it might be because I am an idiot, and it would not be fair on society to curtail their free expression through official sanction because I am an idiot.Fysics_Teacher said:
Why not? How can you tell what effect your words are having? "It's just short for Pakistani, how can that be racist?" If you want to know if something is racist you ask the people or person who might be affected.Cyan said:
I'm not quite clear whether you support that ridiculous definition, Fysics_Teacher, or whether you are mocking it. That's not the definition of racism used by any sensible person.Fysics_Teacher said:
No. It's about racism.Cyan said:
This is about the Zionist lobby fighting the movement to "boycott, divest and sanction" (BDS) with any means necessary.Black_Rook said:
If someone says something that you perceive as racist then it is racist: this is the definition of racism used in this country.
The definition I used is a paraphrasing of "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person" which is the definition of a racist incident from the Macpherson report. It has been adopted by most if not all public sector institutions in Britain: we use it at the school I teach at. Do I support it? I thought it was ridiculous at first but having lived with it for nearly 20 years I would say it works.
What right do I to tell someone else that the name someone called them or the cartoon that some one has drawn in their book is not racist if they think it is?
It is only the starting point of an investigation, not its conclusion. I have been involved in a number of incidents where at least one party perceived racism as the motivator, but often the conclusions were that racism was not proven.0 -
Ageless .... and looking strikingly like Mrs JackW ....Peter_the_Punter said:
And how old is your girlfriend, Jack?JackW said:
Indeed so ....Pulpstar said:
I think it is very romantic !The_Apocalypse said:
It's so weird to me that a 39 year old is with a 63 year old! Even weirder, is when they started dating....Fenster said:BTW, I spent three hours looking at photos of Macron's wife earlier.
63! Bloody hell. She looks younger than I do, and I'm the same age as Macron.
Mrs JackW is 143 ....
...................................................
Hope all is well in the world of PB's deputy TOTY and most revered cross dresser ?0 -
I've recently had an advert featuring an obviously-retired bloke wind-surfing with a very young (nearly naked) woman on his back. She can't be much more than 19, never mind 39.The_Apocalypse said:
It's so weird to me that a 39 year old is with a 63 year old! Even weirder, is when they started dating....Fenster said:BTW, I spent three hours looking at photos of Macron's wife earlier.
63! Bloody hell. She looks younger than I do, and I'm the same age as Macron.0 -
To answer your question from earlier, Peter, I thought my comment might be unwelcome from some Labour supporters, some of which still seem to think everything will be ok if Corbyn is ditched, particularly from a Tory during an election campaign.Peter_the_Punter said:
Nor me, Jason. No sympathy at all. The current crisis has its roots as far back as the Blair/Brown wars but they are by no means the only culprits.Jason said:'Quite what Labour does in the face of this impending disaster is hard to say.'
There is nothing they can do apart from brace themselves for the result. They've already tried to get rid of Corbyn and it failed miserably. I'm not sure (to quote Dan Jarvis) what the repulsive Yvette Cooper would achieve anyway. It might be an even worse result with her at the helm.
They have to take it on the chin and try again to shift Corbyn afterwards. And the only way that's even a possibility is if he resigns.
I have no sympathy whatsoever for Labour - they have brought this calamity upon themselves. The humiliation awaiting them is richly deserved.
But a democracy needs a decent opposition. The Tories went a.w.o.l. during the IDS period, and the country was all the worse for it. The Labour Government was simply not subjected to the type of scrutiny that was needed. The same is happening now with colors reversed.
And you don't have to be especially charitable to feel some sympathy for the people Labour is supposed to represent. Who will speak for them if Labour doesn't?
You have the intelligence and self-awareness to recognise that he's a symptom and not the cause, but I'm not sure how many others in the Labour membership do.0 -
Yes I knew someone would post that sketch,but it is very good thanks.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIvNjWobzAjayfdee said:
As a Scouser, "Are youse looking at me" was an invitation to a fight, the response ,if you were up for it was "So what if I am",kle4 said:
Noted!calum said:
Making eye contact in Glasgow with the wrong person could be perceived by many as a threat - if ever you hear the phrase "who are you looking at" best ignore the Oxford guide and stop looking !!kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.
Looking at someone in Liverpool was a serious breach of etiquette.0 -
0
-
How much did the US spend in Iraq over 8 years?JosiasJessop said:And remaining wildly off-topic, here's NASA@s costing for a manned Mars mission: $450 billion for an austere mission over three decades.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/04/the-journey-to-mars-has-a-price-tag-and-it-will-give-congress-sticker-shock/
Ouch.
#justasking0 -
Ah, yes. This reminds me of my tutorials. The dreaming spires - halcyon days.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIvNjWobzAjayfdee said:
As a Scouser, "Are youse looking at me" was an invitation to a fight, the response ,if you were up for it was "So what if I am",kle4 said:
Noted!calum said:
Making eye contact in Glasgow with the wrong person could be perceived by many as a threat - if ever you hear the phrase "who are you looking at" best ignore the Oxford guide and stop looking !!kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.
Looking at someone in Liverpool was a serious breach of etiquette.0 -
Swansea West was strongly Remain and is very studenty - it really shouldn't be good for the Conservatives.Pulpstar said:Tories big Swansea West @ 3-1.
0 -
That's a terrible poll for the LD'sSimonStClare said:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/856471766255927297GIN1138 said:
Thanks.FrancisUrquhart said:
Graudian / ICM poll from earlier.GIN1138 said:Anybody know what the poll's about that the Tele is quoting with the Tories set to win 67 Labour held marginal seats?
0 -
Scottish election Forecasting
So modelling the Tory Election Surge Panelbase Gives the Con 11 cons of
With the following SNP seat under 5% majority so at risk from tactical voting
Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale -22.31%
Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk -19.77%
Dumfries and Galloway -11.51%
West Aberdeenshire & Kincardine -8.63%
Edinburgh South -6.59%
Moray -5.28%
East Renfrewshire -5.16%
Aberdeen South -4.34%
Perth and North Perthshire -3.87%
East Lothian -0.85%
Edinburgh South West -0.71%
Majority after the -
Ochil and South Perthshire -0.70%
Stirling -1.21%
Angus -1.77%
Orkney and Shetland -1.77%
Edinburgh North and Leith -1.80%
Edinburgh West -2.99%
North East Fife -3.61%
Ayr, Carrick & Cumnock -4.11%
Argyll & Bute -4.65%
As you can see it's a dumb model as it's got Ed North and LEith in there0 -
It "works" in the sense that it solves 100% of the cases it is meant to solve. I think you are naive if you think it only does that, and nothing else. Rotherham police officer: I am investigating allegations about you grooming young white girls". Suspect: "I perceive what you have just said as racist". The End.Fysics_Teacher said:
The thing is, it works. (At least it seems to well enough at school).kle4 said:
There has to be a reasonableness test. I could perceive many things as racist or offensive, but it might be because I am an idiot, and it would not be fair on society to curtail their free expression through official sanction because I am an idiot.Fysics_Teacher said:
Why not? How can you tell what effect your words are having? "It's just short for Pakistani, how can that be racist?" If you want to know if something is racist you ask the people or person who might be affected.Cyan said:
I'm not quite clear whether you support that ridiculous definition, Fysics_Teacher, or whether you are mocking it. That's not the definition of racism used by any sensible person.Fysics_Teacher said:
No. It's about racism.Cyan said:
This is about the Zionist lobby fighting the movement to "boycott, divest and sanction" (BDS) with any means necessary.Black_Rook said:
If someone says something that you perceive as racist then it is racist: this is the definition of racism used in this country.
The definition I used is a paraphrasing of "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person" which is the definition of a racist incident from the Macpherson report. It has been adopted by most if not all public sector institutions in Britain: we use it at the school I teach at. Do I support it? I thought it was ridiculous at first but having lived with it for nearly 20 years I would say it works.
What right do I to tell someone else that the name someone called them or the cartoon that some one has drawn in their book is not racist if they think it is?
If people start to abuse it, accusing physics teachers of racism because they were talking about black-body radiation or similar then it will break down and we will have to find another one. But that will be difficult because it will involve you telling someone who is deeply upset at what they have been called that they are wrong.
I am worried when I see stories like the one above about 'micro-aggressions' but most of those are people being offended on behalf of someone else.0 -
The problem is it used to be just a few places that were like this. Now most of the country is. People always on the lookout for "offence".FrancisUrquhart said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIvNjWobzAjayfdee said:
As a Scouser, "Are youse looking at me" was an invitation to a fight, the response ,if you were up for it was "So what if I am",kle4 said:
Noted!calum said:
Making eye contact in Glasgow with the wrong person could be perceived by many as a threat - if ever you hear the phrase "who are you looking at" best ignore the Oxford guide and stop looking !!kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.
Looking at someone in Liverpool was a serious breach of etiquette.0 -
This is where 'if I perceive a racist act, it is one' ends.kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.0 -
Such a stigma for the accused though. Racism is rightly abhorrent to most people, and while people can be insensitive without meaning to especially through ignorance, we all know that human nature is to assume where there's smoke there's fire. This micro-aggression stuff indicates a mindset that you are almost certainly guilty if you are accused, no matter your intent, it outright emboldens abuse and manufactured grievance, it makes people paranoid they'll offend people through the most innocuous acts, it'll cause others to look for those minor acts in others they thought were inoffensive but are now told the kindly professor is being a micro aggressive racist. Hopefully that sort of approach is rare.foxinsoxuk said:
It is the yardstick in tbe NHS too.kle4 said:
It might be ok at school level, but it seems too simplistic and a means to shut other people down once you get to adult hoodFysics_Teacher said:
The thing is, it works. (At least it seems to well enough at school).kle4 said:
There has to be a reasonableness m an idiot.Fysics_Teacher said:
Why not? k it is?Cyan said:
I'm not quite clear whether you support that ridiculous definition, Fysics_Teacher, or whether you are mocking it. That's not the definition of racism used by any sensible person.Fysics_Teacher said:
No. It's about racism.Cyan said:
This is about the Zionist lobby fighting the movement to "boycott, divest and sanction" (BDS) with any means necessary.Black_Rook said:
If someone says something that you perceive as racist then it is racist: this is the definition of racism used in this country.
It is only the starting point of an investigation, not its conclusion. I have been involved in a number of incidents where at least one party perceived racism as the motivator, but often the conclusions were that racism was not proven.0 -
And after that very popular film, they will certainly need to be capable of bringing any dead bodies back with them.JosiasJessop said:
Mars 2020 is, AIUI, a revamp of the Curiosity rover, which weighs a ton(ne?). It uses the brilliantly Heath Robinsonesque skycrane to land it.Ishmael_Z said:
Well, hang on, Nasa are sending off another Mars rover, launch date mid 2020. https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/overview/JosiasJessop said:
Nope. They don't have a suitable rocket, capsule or tested landing mechanism, yet alone a way to return.logical_song said:
Not possible in 4 years.kle4 said:
No problem.calum said:Trump setting a new target !
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/856579753716862976
Wait - do they have to a) land on the surface, b) return?
Aside from that (oh, and a budget) - it's a goer.
SpaceX might be able to launch a Dragon 2 capsule (Red Dragon) on Mars in 2020, but that's nohere near big enough to be manned or useful for a manned flight.
I think the next synods are July 2018 and ?October? 2020.
Not sure how big the max payload is for an Atlas V rocket but there's time and to spare to beef it up. So a landing in Trump's first time would be at the far right of the sanity bell curve, but not strictly speaking impossible. "Return them in safety" raises some issues though.
My guess is Donald would be taken aback if shown a to-scale diagram of the earth, the ISS in low earth orbit, the moon, and Mars.
From Wiki, Atlas V HLV, which was never built, can get nearly 30 tonnes to LEO.
But the main issue is that they don't have a capsule capable of the journey - or at least of keeping people alive within it.
As an aside, after a few years the ISS started having problems with its water reclamation system. The filters were getting clogged. It turned out to be calcium, which was coming from the astronauts' bones. They were losing bone mass in zero-g, the calcium was getting excreted, and it was clogging up the filters.
Eeewwww.
There are a thousand and one issues like this to be sorted before a capsule can be made to go to Mars - the ISS has the advantages of being large and easily resuppliable from Earth when things go wrong.0 -
I thought that advert for PB featuring OGH had been scrapped ?!?AnneJGP said:
I've recently had an advert featuring an obviously-retired bloke wind-surfing with a very young (nearly naked) woman on his back. She can't be much more than 19, never mind 39.The_Apocalypse said:
It's so weird to me that a 39 year old is with a 63 year old! Even weirder, is when they started dating....Fenster said:BTW, I spent three hours looking at photos of Macron's wife earlier.
63! Bloody hell. She looks younger than I do, and I'm the same age as Macron.
0 -
It doesn't work, when it becomes "racist" to investigate child rape or electoral fraud.Fysics_Teacher said:
The thing is, it works. (At least it seems to well enough at school).kle4 said:
There has to be a reasonableness test. I could perceive many things as racist or offensive, but it might be because I am an idiot, and it would not be fair on society to curtail their free expression through official sanction because I am an idiot.Fysics_Teacher said:
Why not? How can you tell what effect your words are having? "It's just short for Pakistani, how can that be racist?" If you want to know if something is racist you ask the people or person who might be affected.Cyan said:
I'm not quite clear whether you support that ridiculous definition, Fysics_Teacher, or whether you are mocking it. That's not the definition of racism used by any sensible person.Fysics_Teacher said:
No. It's about racism.Cyan said:
This is about the Zionist lobby fighting the movement to "boycott, divest and sanction" (BDS) with any means necessary.Black_Rook said:
If someone says something that you perceive as racist then it is racist: this is the definition of racism used in this country.
The definition I used is a paraphrasing of "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person" which is the definition of a racist incident from the Macpherson report. It has been adopted by most if not all public sector institutions in Britain: we use it at the school I teach at. Do I support it? I thought it was ridiculous at first but having lived with it for nearly 20 years I would say it works.
What right do I to tell someone else that the name someone called them or the cartoon that some one has drawn in their book is not racist if they think it is?
If people start to abuse it, accusing physics teachers of racism because they were talking about black-body radiation or similar then it will break down and we will have to find another one. But that will be difficult because it will involve you telling someone who is deeply upset at what they have been called that they are wrong.
I am worried when I see stories like the one above about 'micro-aggressions' but most of those are people being offended on behalf of someone else.
Sometimes you do have to tell people that they are being unreasonable.0 -
Apols for off-topicness and working-classness; this is not about the best bordeaux nor best restaurant to spunk 200 quid..
As there is a lot of lawyers on here I would appreciate your advice. My eldest son - under 18 - I have just been told by my ex-wife had the plod over having been caught in possession of cannabis. They either gave him a caution or a reprimand - first time with rozzer bother - so guessing a reprimand.
Questions - will this appear on an enhanced DBS check? He is keen to be an outdoors sporting instruction (sailing/canoeing) and will there be any issues with overseas visa (US/Canada especially).
Any advice / thoughts greatly appreciated.0 -
The French president is supposed to be non-partisan and usually (always?) has no party affiliation when in office.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't really see what this achieves. Le Pen is the NF and the NF is Le Pen.chestnut said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861
"This evening I decided to take my leave of the presidency of the National Front," she (MLP) told TV channel France 2.
"I will be above partisan considerations."
It is not clear if her decision will be permanent. She told France 2 that France is approaching a "decisive moment".
It is like Farage saying he will stand at the GE, but as the Nigel Farage Party. People who like him will vote for him, people who dislike UKIP policies will still not vote for him.
Le Pen is not the NF. Have a look at the Rassemblement Bleu Marine. It's far less equivalent to the NF than the Countryside Alliance was to the British Field Sports Society. I'm not suggesting the RBM and its constituents such as the vile Islamophobic "SIEL", led by the Melanie Phillips-ite Karim Ouchikh, should be taken at face value, as if they discovered the FN last week and decided "hey, we share some ideas". But the FN has for a few years now nurtured a scene that's broader than a political party. Another person to mention is Michel Houellebecq. (Curiously, he is said to have attended Brigitte Macron's soirées.) Then there is the "droite hors les murs" (Philippe de Villiers etc.) Villiers is not FN but I'll be surprised if he doesn't support Le Pen against Macron. And there are people such as Alain Soral and Dieudonné M'bala M'bala, who backed Benoît Hamon in the first round. I don't envisage them not supporting Le Pen now.0 -
Why ?Pong said:
That's a terrible poll for the LD'sSimonStClare said:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/856471766255927297GIN1138 said:
Thanks.FrancisUrquhart said:
Graudian / ICM poll from earlier.GIN1138 said:Anybody know what the poll's about that the Tele is quoting with the Tories set to win 67 Labour held marginal seats?
It is no different to yesterday's ICM poll for Peston .0 -
A lot of them have been. Still currently static. In fairness Labour are generally static from a couple weeks ago, but Tories are up.Pong said:
That's a terrible poll for the LD'sSimonStClare said:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/856471766255927297GIN1138 said:
Thanks.FrancisUrquhart said:
Graudian / ICM poll from earlier.GIN1138 said:Anybody know what the poll's about that the Tele is quoting with the Tories set to win 67 Labour held marginal seats?
NiceYossariansChild said:Apols for off-topicness and working-classness; this is not about the best bordeaux nor best restaurant to spunk 200 quid..
0 -
Macron was only able to do so in the context of a presidential run off system decided on nationwide popular vote. I doubt En Marche will actually win the legislative elections even if he wins the presidencyTheWhiteRabbit said:The centre-left is crying out for Macron. A man actually prepare to GET OFF HIS ARSE and form a popular movement rather than sit on the back benches of a no-hope Labour party or write columns for the Grauniad.
0 -
If he's accepted a caution, that's formally a conviction, so yes. If he's had a stern talking to, no.YossariansChild said:Apols for off-topicness and working-classness; this is not about the best bordeaux nor best restaurant to spunk 200 quid..
As there is a lot of lawyers on here I would appreciate your advice. My eldest son - under 18 - I have just been told by my ex-wife had the plod over having been caught in possession of cannabis. They either gave him a caution or a reprimand - first time with rozzer bother - so guessing a reprimand.
Questions - will this appear on an enhanced DBS check? He is keen to be an outdoors sporting instruction (sailing/canoeing) and will there be any issues with overseas visa (US/Canada especially).
Any advice / thoughts greatly appreciated.0 -
Why has it been left to UKIP to propose this?
http://news.sky.com/story/ukip-schoolgirls-should-have-mandatory-medical-fgm-check-every-year-108492370 -
Wonder when we'll get the first Election 2017 poll from MORI?SimonStClare said:
https://twitter.com/election_data/status/856471766255927297GIN1138 said:
Thanks.FrancisUrquhart said:
Graudian / ICM poll from earlier.GIN1138 said:Anybody know what the poll's about that the Tele is quoting with the Tories set to win 67 Labour held marginal seats?
0 -
Yes true, but we Scousers invented the art form of taking offence, in my youth in Liverpool, it was a scary place in the pubs, I had my moments.AndyJS said:
The problem is it used to be just a few places that were like this. Now most of the country is. People always on the lookout for "offence".FrancisUrquhart said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIvNjWobzAjayfdee said:
As a Scouser, "Are youse looking at me" was an invitation to a fight, the response ,if you were up for it was "So what if I am",kle4 said:
Noted!calum said:
Making eye contact in Glasgow with the wrong person could be perceived by many as a threat - if ever you hear the phrase "who are you looking at" best ignore the Oxford guide and stop looking !!kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.
Looking at someone in Liverpool was a serious breach of etiquette.0 -
You're not proud of it are you?jayfdee said:
Yes true, but we Scousers invented the art form of taking offence, in my youth in Liverpool, it was a scary place in the pubs, I had my moments.AndyJS said:
The problem is it used to be just a few places that were like this. Now most of the country is. People always on the lookout for "offence".FrancisUrquhart said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIvNjWobzAjayfdee said:
As a Scouser, "Are youse looking at me" was an invitation to a fight, the response ,if you were up for it was "So what if I am",kle4 said:
Noted!calum said:
Making eye contact in Glasgow with the wrong person could be perceived by many as a threat - if ever you hear the phrase "who are you looking at" best ignore the Oxford guide and stop looking !!kle4 said:Christ
Staff at Oxford University have been told avoiding eye contact with students could constitute "everyday racism".
It is included in a list of "racial micro-aggressions" that has been published in a newsletter by Oxford's equality and diversity unit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39692673
I'd be screwed - I regularly avoid eye contact because I'm so awkward.
Looking at someone in Liverpool was a serious breach of etiquette.0 -
A caution is an acceptance that the person did the acts complained of, and should not be accepted without qualified legal advice.YossariansChild said:Apols for off-topicness and working-classness; this is not about the best bordeaux nor best restaurant to spunk 200 quid..
As there is a lot of lawyers on here I would appreciate your advice. My eldest son - under 18 - I have just been told by my ex-wife had the plod over having been caught in possession of cannabis. They either gave him a caution or a reprimand - first time with rozzer bother - so guessing a reprimand.
Questions - will this appear on an enhanced DBS check? He is keen to be an outdoors sporting instruction (sailing/canoeing) and will there be any issues with overseas visa (US/Canada especially).
Any advice / thoughts greatly appreciated.0
