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D-Day. The day Doris Day came to Copeland pic.twitter.com/Laa4WYkxVp

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  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,577
    First :smiley:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,577
    Everyone makes mistakes, Harry. I am just glad there wasn't an election on a... *shudders*... Wednesday!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,015
    edited February 2017
    Third like UKIP.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,591
    From p/t: to @viewcode

    Oh dear, sorry to hear of your woes. Wuss away!!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,701
    Cheers, Mr. Hayfield. (We all make mistakes. Even em).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,241
    Are we all staying up....so we can say we were there when Stoke yet again returned a donkey with a red rosette?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,976
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Are we all staying up....so we can say we were there when Stoke yet again returned a donkey with a red rosette?

    Hell no
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,310
    LDs take Chigwell Village, I think it falls into the category of very, very unlikely.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    how late are the results expected?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,577
    kle4 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Are we all staying up....so we can say we were there when Stoke yet again returned a donkey with a red rosette?

    Hell no
    Not even for an extended session of late night political chat? :o
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    Will you offer me 3/1 on con 2nd?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    Pong said:

    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    Will you offer me 3/1 on con 2nd?
    No! I was hoping some muggeroo would bet EVS!
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    Will you offer me 3/1 on con 2nd?
    No! I was hoping some muggeroo would bet EVS!
    5/2?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    Will you offer me 3/1 on con 2nd?
    No! I was hoping some muggeroo would bet EVS!
    5/2?
    EVENS!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Are we all staying up....so we can say we were there when Stoke yet again returned a donkey with a red rosette?

    I am, I shall be your guide for this evening.

    In the last year when I've looked after PB overnight, I oversaw Brexit and President Trump.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,976
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Are we all staying up....so we can say we were there when Stoke yet again returned a donkey with a red rosette?

    Hell no
    Not even for an extended session of late night political chat? :o
    Ok youve won me over
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,701
    Sorry to hear of your bad week, Mr. Viewcode. Hopefully the next will be better, and tomorrow will provide some diversion.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    Will you offer me 3/1 on con 2nd?
    No! I was hoping some muggeroo would bet EVS!
    5/2?
    EVENS!
    You can't blame me for trying.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    I think you offered 5/2 to me a couple of weeks back that Con beat Kipper for second. Does that still stand?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,408
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Are we all staying up....so we can say we were there when Stoke yet again returned a donkey with a red rosette?

    I am, I shall be your guide for this evening.

    In the last year when I've looked after PB overnight, I oversaw Brexit and President Trump.
    So no pressure then to make it an exciting night here on PB....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Are we all staying up....so we can say we were there when Stoke yet again returned a donkey with a red rosette?

    Hell no
    Not even for an extended session of late night political chat? :o
    Ok youve won me over
    I've got an awesome pun lined up for tonight.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    foxinsoxuk said:

    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    I think you offered 5/2 to me a couple of weeks back that Con beat Kipper for second. Does that still stand?
    Oh yeah I keep the same prices for the match bet when the odds to win change from EVS to 5/1 and 100/1 to 14s!!!!
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    edited February 2017
    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    Will you offer me 3/1 on con 2nd?
    No! I was hoping some muggeroo would bet EVS!
    5/2?
    EVENS!
    You can't blame me for trying.
    No always worth a go!

    UKIP could still win, I have seen 5/1 shots come in before!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    A truly terrible night for Mrs May if the Tories fail to take Stoke.

    That's my benchmark for tonight.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    I think you offered 5/2 to me a couple of weeks back that Con beat Kipper for second. Does that still stand?
    Oh yeah I keep the same prices for the match bet when the odds to win change from EVS to 5/1 and 100/1 to 14s!!!!
    Excellent! I may have some further bets to place then :-)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,577
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Are we all staying up....so we can say we were there when Stoke yet again returned a donkey with a red rosette?

    Hell no
    Not even for an extended session of late night political chat? :o
    Ok youve won me over
    Blue Nun on standby.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,532
    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    Will you offer me 3/1 on con 2nd?
    No! I was hoping some muggeroo would bet EVS!
    5/2?
    EVENS!
    You can't blame me for trying.
    No always worth a go!

    UKIP could still win, I have seen 5/1 shots come in before!
    I would point out that at this point on EU referendum day, Remain was the clear betting favourite.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    Will you offer me 3/1 on con 2nd?
    No! I was hoping some muggeroo would bet EVS!
    5/2?
    EVENS!
    You can't blame me for trying.
    No always worth a go!

    UKIP could still win, I have seen 5/1 shots come in before!
    I would point out that at this point on EU referendum day, Remain was the clear betting favourite.
    1/14 at the close of the polls I believe

    What price was Trump?

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Vaguely on topic:
    another_richard said:

    According to C4 Copeland is the 4th best place to live in the country:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2921524/sarah-beeny-pinpoints-the-best-50-places-to-live-in-the-uk-in-new-tv-show-and-youll-never-guess-the-winning-area/

    though I note Blaby in Leics is in third. Not my favourite Leicester suburb...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,061
    rottenborough said:

    From p/t: to @viewcode

    Oh dear, sorry to hear of your woes. Wuss away!!

    Thank you
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited February 2017
    "Estimate (based on historical trends): Labour HOLD on a swing of 1% from Con to Lab"

    I was surprised to read the above "estimate" on the last line of the header this evening setting out details of the Copeland by-election.
    I would be interested to learn by whom the "estimate" was prepared and on what polling or other information it is based since it flies in the face of all the received wisdom relating to the likely outcome on which basis the Tories are the short odds-on favourite to win the seat from Labour, even if Mike Smithson (along with yours truly) happen to disagree.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,998
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    A truly terrible night for Mrs May if the Tories fail to take Stoke.

    That's my benchmark for tonight.

    A truly good night for me if they fail to take Copeland.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    Will you offer me 3/1 on con 2nd?
    No! I was hoping some muggeroo would bet EVS!
    5/2?
    EVENS!
    You can't blame me for trying.
    No always worth a go!

    UKIP could still win, I have seen 5/1 shots come in before!
    I would point out that at this point on EU referendum day, Remain was the clear betting favourite.
    The question will Paul Nuttall concede at around 10pm tonight and bugger up the betting markets further, and then win?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,936
    edited February 2017
    Thanks Harry! :)

    What time are we expecting declarations in Stoke and Copeland?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,546
    Kudos for the Its The Mind image - fantastic bit of Python insanity.

    Posting this from the business lounge of Holiday Inn Kensington making full use of the free bar. As a Labour man should I (a) cheer on the Labour candidates tonight or (b) cheer on the Tory candidates...?
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Has Nuttall really done much worse than Trump? I don't see how the enormous Brexit vote can be dismissed, however much he has embarrassed himself individually. If somebody wants to vote UKIP to send a message, the candidate is but a minor barrier.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,976
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Kudos for the Its The Mind image - fantastic bit of Python insanity.

    Posting this from the business lounge of Holiday Inn Kensington making full use of the free bar. As a Labour man should I (a) cheer on the Labour candidates tonight or (b) cheer on the Tory candidates...?

    Sit and pray for sanity to return to the party no matter what result occurs - as it is that is not guaranteed whichever you cheer on.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Pray 4 Jeremy
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,546
    On the bright side I decided to stay in the smoke tonight and not head north as my colleagues have done. Not the best day for travelling by train
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,709
    My worst betting event last year was the Holyrood elections. Got a bit high on the SNP supply and underestimated Tory surgitis.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    GIN1138 said:

    Thanks Harry! :)

    What time are we expecting declarations in Stoke and Copeland?

    Someone on here yesterday was suggesting 1-2am for Stoke and 3-4am for Copeland (weather permitting).
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,577
    Pulpstar said:

    My worst betting event last year was the Holyrood elections. Got a bit high on the SNP supply and underestimated Tory surgitis.

    You didn't hear the Scottish Tory Surge Klaxon (tm)?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Dutch polls IPSOS VVD [Rutte] 28 (+2) PVV [WIlders] 26 (-1) continuing the trend - but will it stay like that?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,661
    The Tory price in Stoke at over 15/1 makes no sense.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,998
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    Will you offer me 3/1 on con 2nd?
    No! I was hoping some muggeroo would bet EVS!
    5/2?
    EVENS!
    You can't blame me for trying.
    No always worth a go!

    UKIP could still win, I have seen 5/1 shots come in before!
    I would point out that at this point on EU referendum day, Remain was the clear betting favourite.
    The question will Paul Nuttall concede at around 10pm tonight and bugger up the betting markets further, and then win?
    It depends if he's betting on the outcome.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    dr_spyn said:

    LDs take Chigwell Village, I think it falls into the category of very, very unlikely.

    what?? they got 4% last time? How?........
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    No big changes today in the betting re-Copeland.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,998
    Casino_Royale said:

    The Tory price in Stoke at over 15/1 makes no sense.

    That looks like value. 8 or 9 to 1 seems right to me.
  • HarryHayfieldHarryHayfield Posts: 55
    peter_from_putney said:

    "Estimate (based on historical trends): Labour HOLD on a swing of 1% from Con to Lab"

    I was surprised to read the above "estimate" on the last line of the header this evening setting out details of the Copeland by-election.
    I would be interested to learn by whom the "estimate" was prepared and on what polling or other information it is based since it flies in the face of all the received wisdom relating to the likely outcome on which basis the Tories are the short odds-on favourite to win the seat from Labour, even if Mike Smithson (along with yours truly) happen to disagree.

    It was my estimate based on comparing the Conservative, Labour, Liberal Democrat, Plaid, SNP, UKIP and Green vote at a general election and the by-election in a similar method to Mr. Singh of Number Cruncher Politics

  • glwglw Posts: 10,454
    edited February 2017
    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is a monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,577
    @HarryHayfield - thanks for this, and all previous by election threads!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,263
    Ranieri sacked! What on Earth?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,661
    Sean_F said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The Tory price in Stoke at over 15/1 makes no sense.

    That looks like value. 8 or 9 to 1 seems right to me.
    I think they should be shorter than UKIP but UKIP should be longer.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,976
    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Interesting that Shadsy, Ladbrokes' political supremo, who doesn't get many things wrong has shortened his odds on Labour holding Stoke from 1.57 this morning to 1.36 currently.
    Why TSE, no slouch himself when it comes to political betting really thinks the Tories have a prayer in this seat amazes me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    DAFUQ!

    https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/834849797400064000
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,709
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DAFUQ!

    https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/834849797400064000

    Madness. Absolute bloody madness.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,701
    Mr. Eagles, rank ingratitude from Leicester.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    peter_from_putney said:

    Interesting that Shadsy, Ladbrokes' political supremo, who doesn't get many things wrong has shortened his odds on Labour holding Stoke from 1.57 this morning to 1.36 currently.
    Why TSE, no slouch himself when it comes to political betting really thinks the Tories have a prayer in this seat amazes me.

    I don't think the Tories have a chance in Stoke.

    I will eat Paddy Ashdown's hat if the Tories gain Stoke.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    edited February 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DAFUQ!

    https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/834849797400064000

    Madness. Absolute bloody madness.
    That is incredible. Sacked at Peak Leicester!

    Modern Football Is Rubbish
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,577
    edited February 2017
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    It is an offence to report on postal votes.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,709
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DAFUQ!

    https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/834849797400064000

    Madness. Absolute bloody madness.
    That is incredible. Sacked at Peak Leicester!

    Modern Football Is Rubbish
    Sacked after getting a half decent result in the CHAMPION'S LEAGUE.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,454
    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,015
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    The end of the UK then. The question is whether it will be a return to the Kingdom of Great Britain, or whether the clock will be turned back even further.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,454
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DAFUQ!

    https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/834849797400064000

    Madness. Absolute bloody madness.
    Blimey, this morning's radio was all about how Leicester might have turned a corner with last night's performance.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It is an offence to report on postal votes.

    Even after 10pm when the polls close?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,577
    williamglenn said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    The end of the UK then. The question is whether it will be a return to the Kingdom of Great Britain, or whether the clock will be turned back even further.
    A seemingly unnecessary clause in a treaty is the end of the UK? Talk about hyperbole.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,123
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DAFUQ!

    https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/834849797400064000

    Madness. Absolute bloody madness.
    That is incredible. Sacked at Peak Leicester!

    Modern Football Is Rubbish
    Sacked after getting a half decent result in the CHAMPION'S LEAGUE.
    Hope they go down now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,661
    peter_from_putney said:

    Interesting that Shadsy, Ladbrokes' political supremo, who doesn't get many things wrong has shortened his odds on Labour holding Stoke from 1.57 this morning to 1.36 currently.
    Why TSE, no slouch himself when it comes to political betting really thinks the Tories have a prayer in this seat amazes me.

    It's not about him getting it wrong or right: his odds will reflect Ladbrokes book, and the weight of money being placed.

    Following that is just following the market.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It is an offence to report on postal votes.

    Does that apply to general comments as well as giving specific figures?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DAFUQ!

    https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/834849797400064000

    Madness. Absolute bloody madness.
    Second season in a row that the reigning Premier league champions have sacked their manager
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,936
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DAFUQ!

    https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/834849797400064000

    Has Keith Vaz engineered a big story to deflect from labour tomorrow morning.

    Either way disgraceful and I hope they go down as a result
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,569
    justin124 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It is an offence to report on postal votes.

    Does that apply to general comments as well as giving specific figures?
    Yes.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,709
    glw said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DAFUQ!

    https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/834849797400064000

    Madness. Absolute bloody madness.
    Blimey, this morning's radio was all about how Leicester might have turned a corner with last night's performance.
    I'd give my right arm for Ranieri to come to my club down the M69 from Leicester.

    Leicester - Prem winners going to Seville in the Champion's league
    Coventry - Nine points from safety at the bottom of league one.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,701
    Anyway, I am off for the evening.

    Best of luck, everyone. Do give Mr. Eagles regular jabs with a pin if he seems to be nodding off.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,263
    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
    Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483
    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    A second betting disaster in 5 days beckons! Anyone want a match bet on 2nd place in Stoke?

    Will you offer me 3/1 on con 2nd?
    No! I was hoping some muggeroo would bet EVS!
    5/2?
    EVENS!
    You can't blame me for trying.
    No always worth a go!

    UKIP could still win, I have seen 5/1 shots come in before!
    I would point out that at this point on EU referendum day, Remain was the clear betting favourite.
    1/14 at the close of the polls I believe

    What price was Trump?

    I put my whole Betfair bank on Clinton at 1.16 which is about 1/6 and then went to bed, when I woke up I found to my horror that Trump was 'ahead in key states'

    He must have been around 9/2 or 4.5 on Betfair.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited February 2017
    Casino_Royale said:

    Sean_F said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The Tory price in Stoke at over 15/1 makes no sense.

    That looks like value. 8 or 9 to 1 seems right to me.
    I think they should be shorter than UKIP but UKIP should be longer.
    My thoughts too.

    I may well be wrong though.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    David Coburn MEP‏@DavidCoburnUKip 25s25 seconds ago
    More
    I will be tweeting from Stoke once the polls close we can win this
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,015
    RobD said:

    williamglenn said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    The end of the UK then. The question is whether it will be a return to the Kingdom of Great Britain, or whether the clock will be turned back even further.
    A seemingly unnecessary clause in a treaty is the end of the UK? Talk about hyperbole.
    I'm just getting into the spirit of Brexit at any price.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Russell Hargrave‏@Hargraver 46s46 seconds ago
    More
    Sources in Stoke: leading candidate for new #Leicester boss is Paul Nuttall
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,709
    dixiedean said:

    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
    Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.
    Yes, the spending on our healthcare should go up. An NHS complemented by employer private health schemes seems the way to go methinks.
    For all its problems it is still a very valuable and cost efficient resource for providing healthcare at the end of the day.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,263
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DAFUQ!

    https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/834849797400064000

    Has Keith Vaz engineered a big story to deflect from labour tomorrow morning.

    Either way disgraceful and I hope they go down as a result
    Me too. It is scandalous.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,015
    Danny565 said:

    David Coburn MEP‏@DavidCoburnUKip 25s25 seconds ago
    More
    I will be tweeting from Stoke once the polls close we can win this

    Some punctuation would help clarify whether he's blindly optimistic or just planning to stuff the ballot boxes.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,454
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DAFUQ!

    https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/834849797400064000

    Madness. Absolute bloody madness.
    Second season in a row that the reigning Premier league champions have sacked their manager
    So Wenger's being cannier than people think.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,208
    TudorRose said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Thanks Harry! :)

    What time are we expecting declarations in Stoke and Copeland?

    Someone on here yesterday was suggesting 1-2am for Stoke and 3-4am for Copeland (weather permitting).
    I heard 3-4am for Stoke and perhaps tomorrow for Copeland. I'm going to set my alarm for 3am and join you all then.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,906
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.
    In the middle of an election campaign in NI, that's a bit stupid from Kenny, he might as well say vote DUP.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,454
    dixiedean said:

    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
    Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.
    Money is only part of the problem, and maybe not even a major part.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    dixiedean said:

    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
    Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.
    And how do the G7 organise this funding of healthcare?


  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    williamglenn said:

    Danny565 said:

    David Coburn MEP‏@DavidCoburnUKip 25s25 seconds ago
    More
    I will be tweeting from Stoke once the polls close we can win this

    Some punctuation would help clarify whether he's blindly optimistic or just planning to stuff the ballot boxes.
    lol
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,577
    Alanbrooke said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.
    In the middle of an election campaign in NI, that's a bit stupid from Kenny, he might as well say vote DUP.
    Isn't he on his way out anyway? So who cares what he thinks should be in the deal?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,263
    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
    Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.
    Yes, the spending on our healthcare should go up. An NHS complemented by employer private health schemes seems the way to go methinks.
    For all its problems it is still a very valuable and cost efficient resource for providing healthcare at the end of the day.
    We cannot have a proper debate when the Left treats the NHS as the ultimate in perfection and the Right complain that we spend too much on it. It isn't, and we don't.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    glw said:

    dixiedean said:

    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
    Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.
    Money is only part of the problem, and maybe not even a major part.
    It's the system.

    It came into being in 1948. It's been in crisis since 1948.

    No one in their right mind would design this system from scratch.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    Interesting that Shadsy, Ladbrokes' political supremo, who doesn't get many things wrong has shortened his odds on Labour holding Stoke from 1.57 this morning to 1.36 currently.
    Why TSE, no slouch himself when it comes to political betting really thinks the Tories have a prayer in this seat amazes me.

    I don't think the Tories have a chance in Stoke.

    I will eat Paddy Ashdown's hat if the Tories gain Stoke.
    I must have somehow misconstrued your earlier post at 7.26pm:

    "A truly terrible night for Mrs May if the Tories fail to take Stoke.

    That's my benchmark for tonight."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,976
    edited February 2017
    Alanbrooke said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.
    In the middle of an election campaign in NI, that's a bit stupid from Kenny, he might as well say vote DUP.
    Will it really make a difference there? Genuine question.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,241
    edited February 2017
    I hear Jim the Washing Machine salesman is distort, I mean distraught, at the news of Ranieri sacking....
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,906
    RobD said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.
    In the middle of an election campaign in NI, that's a bit stupid from Kenny, he might as well say vote DUP.
    Isn't he on his way out anyway? So who cares what he thinks should be in the deal?
    He is, normally he has been a pretty sensible bloke who avoids the North like the plague , so I assume the green tub thumping is trying to shore up his position.

    On the other hand I'm all for it if we can have a reciprocal clause on Ireland leaving the EU.
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