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  • RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.
    Quite. Clearly signalling to the idiots who don't know much about this kind of thing.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,320
    chestnut said:

    dixiedean said:

    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
    Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.
    And how do the G7 organise this funding of healthcare?


    See my point above. The system is far from perfect, but thinking we can get better by spending even less is short-sighted,
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2017
    Clutching at straws a little, but it seems to be just one person trying to lay UKIP for £1800 at 4.7, the money laying under that is v sparse, as is the money trying to back Labour or Conservative

    On Brexit night I was looking at the money on the API ladders, and often it was just one big lump of money holding the whole mkt up, v weak underneath
  • Interesting that Shadsy, Ladbrokes' political supremo, who doesn't get many things wrong has shortened his odds on Labour holding Stoke from 1.57 this morning to 1.36 currently.
    Why TSE, no slouch himself when it comes to political betting really thinks the Tories have a prayer in this seat amazes me.

    I don't think the Tories have a chance in Stoke.

    I will eat Paddy Ashdown's hat if the Tories gain Stoke.
    I must have somehow misconstrued your earlier post at 7.26pm:

    "A truly terrible night for Mrs May if the Tories fail to take Stoke.

    That's my benchmark for tonight."
    Sarcasm doesn't travel well on the internt.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,302
    edited February 2017
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.
    In the middle of an election campaign in NI, that's a bit stupid from Kenny, he might as well say vote DUP.
    Will it really make a difference there? Genuine question.
    It'll shift some votes from the centre to the extremes, even just on the FkU principle

    The difficulty in NI is every time the centre gets a chance to break through someone in the UK or RoI panders to the tribalists and we go back to the beginning.

    Really STFU and make them sort themselves out is the only answer.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    chestnut said:

    glw said:

    dixiedean said:

    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
    Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.
    Money is only part of the problem, and maybe not even a major part.
    It's the system.

    It came into being in 1948. It's been in crisis since 1948.

    No one in their right mind would design this system from scratch.
    The real issue is that demand for healthcare is unlimited.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    Paddy has launched a bunch of Trump specials

    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/donald-trump?ev_oc_grp_ids=3015199

    Worst of the lot looks to be a gun ban at 5-6,
    burka ban would clearly violate the US constitution so he won't do that,
    abortion will be a SCOTUS not a POTUS matter.

    None of that lot appeals frankly.

    Trump to complete 1st term at 1-2 is OK, but I'm on this and proxies at longer.

    Whole bunch of other amusing bets in the various tabs, none of which will come remotely close to winning I expect ;p
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2017
    Someone wants 10k at 5 UKIP now

    If you took out the 250 quid under that, theyd be 2.5!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    isam said:

    Someone wants 10k at 5 UKIP now

    Is it you :) ?
  • Gilly gilly gone.

    Worlds a banana
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    isam said:

    Someone wants 10k at 5 UKIP now

    If you took out the 250 quid under that, theyd be 2.5!

    I'd very much appreciate if you could take the market back so I can lay at 2.5 :D
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Someone wants 10k at 5 UKIP now

    Is it you :) ?
    Crikey I am not that big a punter!

    Maybe someone who has laid them wanting to green up. Its gone now, unmatched

    This market is ultra thin, less than £300 trying to back Lab under EVS
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    nunu said:

    dr_spyn said:

    LDs take Chigwell Village, I think it falls into the category of very, very unlikely.

    what?? they got 4% last time? How?........
    Conservative vote 75% in May.

    http://rds.eppingforestdc.gov.uk/mgElectionAreaResults.aspx?ID=479

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.
    Quite. Clearly signalling to the idiots who don't know much about this kind of thing.
    One interesting change is that during the Troubles, majorities on the Mainland usually favoured Unification (sometimes, an IRA atrocity would shift opinion against). But, now polling suggests a plurality favour NI remaining part of the UK. I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,580
    dixiedean said:

    chestnut said:

    dixiedean said:

    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
    Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.
    And how do the G7 organise this funding of healthcare?


    See my point above. The system is far from perfect, but thinking we can get better by spending even less is short-sighted,
    I don't think spending less is necessarily the answer, but given the endless crises even when more us given either we're asking too much or the money is not spent effectively or both. Clearly no easy answer or it would be rolled already, but there is still an almost religious defence of the NHS when harder, folded attitudes may be needed, at least in part,
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    @Pong I will lay a friendly £20@5/2 Cons bt UKIP in Stoke

    and to you @foxinsoxuk

    Spurs 1-0!! Get in ! Keep them in this shit cup!
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.
    Oh, right; I read that as Endex wanting his lot to apply to join the UK.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jessicaelgot: Five hours later, lobby carpool has arrived in Stoke. Lab sources sounding cheerful, Ukip sounding coy. Everyone wet and cold. Result 2-3am.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    isam said:

    @Pong I will lay a friendly £20@5/2 Cons bt UKIP in Stoke

    and to you @foxinsoxuk

    Spurs 1-0!! Get in ! Keep them in this shit cup!

    OK.

    I bet £20 @ 5/2 that Cons get more votes than UKIP in Stoke.

    You lay that bet.

    Pls confirm.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pong said:

    isam said:

    @Pong I will lay a friendly £20@5/2 Cons bt UKIP in Stoke

    and to you @foxinsoxuk

    Spurs 1-0!! Get in ! Keep them in this shit cup!

    OK.

    I bet £20 @ 5/2 that Cons get more votes than UKIP in Stoke.

    You lay that bet.

    Pls confirm.
    Yep £20@5/2 you have
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,179
    Sean_F said:

    I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.

    The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Sean_F said:

    chestnut said:

    glw said:

    dixiedean said:

    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
    Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.
    Money is only part of the problem, and maybe not even a major part.
    It's the system.

    It came into being in 1948. It's been in crisis since 1948.

    No one in their right mind would design this system from scratch.
    The real issue is that demand for healthcare is unlimited.
    That's part of the flawed system design.

    I do wonder what the brains behind many other organisations and businesses would come up with if asked to start with a blank sheet and an open mind.

    I see things that remind me of places I worked for thirty years ago. Things they grew out of.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,302

    Sean_F said:

    I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.

    The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.
    the only one stuck in the past is yourself, most of us have moved on
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Sean_F said:

    chestnut said:

    glw said:

    dixiedean said:

    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
    Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.
    Money is only part of the problem, and maybe not even a major part.
    It's the system.

    It came into being in 1948. It's been in crisis since 1948.

    No one in their right mind would design this system from scratch.
    The real issue is that demand for healthcare is unlimited.
    The real issue is that demand for votes is unlimited.

    And the perceived link between the two is very strong.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    isam said:

    Pong said:

    isam said:

    @Pong I will lay a friendly £20@5/2 Cons bt UKIP in Stoke

    and to you @foxinsoxuk

    Spurs 1-0!! Get in ! Keep them in this shit cup!

    OK.

    I bet £20 @ 5/2 that Cons get more votes than UKIP in Stoke.

    You lay that bet.

    Pls confirm.
    Yep £20@5/2 you have
    Excellent, thanks.
  • chestnut said:

    Sean_F said:

    chestnut said:

    glw said:

    dixiedean said:

    glw said:

    kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Nuttall is right about the NHS, it is monolithic hangover from days gone by, not the envy of the world BS that politicians usually trot out. We will never have first class healthcare if we won't even talk honestly about the NHS.

    Seems likely. Taking public statements at face value it is in continual crisis, no matter how much money is put in it is never enough, and its administration is a farce even by governmental standards.
    And the same people who bang on about all those woes attack even the mildest criticism of the NHS. It seems impossible to have a sensible debate about the NHS.
    Alternatively we could bring spending up to the G7 average.
    Money is only part of the problem, and maybe not even a major part.
    It's the system.

    It came into being in 1948. It's been in crisis since 1948.

    No one in their right mind would design this system from scratch.
    The real issue is that demand for healthcare is unlimited.
    That's part of the flawed system design.

    I do wonder what the brains behind many other organisations and businesses would come up with if asked to start with a blank sheet and an open mind.

    I see things that remind me of places I worked for thirty years ago. Things they grew out of.
    Elon Musk does digging big holes healthcare...
  • isam said:

    Clutching at straws a little, but it seems to be just one person trying to lay UKIP for £1800 at 4.7, the money laying under that is v sparse, as is the money trying to back Labour or Conservative

    On Brexit night I was looking at the money on the API ladders, and often it was just one big lump of money holding the whole mkt up, v weak underneath

    How do you tell the difference between one person putting a lump on and hundreds of people putting a small amount on at the current market value?
  • Has Keith Vaz engineered a big story to deflect from labour tomorrow morning.

    Either way disgraceful and I hope they go down as a result
    There is no loyalty left in this world...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,580

    Sean_F said:

    I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.

    The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.
    That is far from the most common, but you keep making things as simplistic as possible, that'll help.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,855
    chestnut said:

    That's part of the flawed system design.

    I do wonder what the brains behind many other organisations and businesses would come up with if asked to start with a blank sheet and an open mind.

    I see things that remind me of places I worked for thirty years ago. Things they grew out of.

    I agree, I got to hospitals quite often, and it's like looking back in time. The NHS doesn't look like a 21st century organisation, and I expect it to fall further and further behind.

    But we're not going to fix it because one side won't hear any criticism of the NHS (which they seem to consider the UK's greatest achievement ever) and the other side is afraid of scaring the voters by doing anything substantial. So we tinker and keep drip feeding money to the beast.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited February 2017

    isam said:

    Clutching at straws a little, but it seems to be just one person trying to lay UKIP for £1800 at 4.7, the money laying under that is v sparse, as is the money trying to back Labour or Conservative

    On Brexit night I was looking at the money on the API ladders, and often it was just one big lump of money holding the whole mkt up, v weak underneath

    How do you tell the difference between one person putting a lump on and hundreds of people putting a small amount on at the current market value?
    Sometimes it's obvious the money is from the same source when a pile of bets for large amounts at different odds all appear or disappear at the same time.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    edited February 2017
    If Stoke result arrives first, as I think it will we should pay attention to the Lab-Con or Con-Lab swing for Copeland.
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/834852931358879745

    Given reunification would involve NI joining Ireland (already an EU member), how is this an issue? NI wouldn't have to apply to join in their own right.
    Quite. Clearly signalling to the idiots who don't know much about this kind of thing.
    True, when Germany was unified the former East Germany became a member of the EU overnight and the EU recognises the Cypriot government's claim to Northern Cyprus so if there is a settlement in Cyprus, the northern part could go straight in.

    However the EU could be long extinct before Ireland is ever reunited.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2017

    isam said:

    Clutching at straws a little, but it seems to be just one person trying to lay UKIP for £1800 at 4.7, the money laying under that is v sparse, as is the money trying to back Labour or Conservative

    On Brexit night I was looking at the money on the API ladders, and often it was just one big lump of money holding the whole mkt up, v weak underneath

    How do you tell the difference between one person putting a lump on and hundreds of people putting a small amount on at the current market value?
    Well when its exactly £1800 at one price with no money around it, its safe to assume I think. Even if its not a round number, most will be the same person in a market where every other price has a fiver or a tenner up

    Most people try to get to the front of the queue rather than sit with other money too, so you can tell by that
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,471
    NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.
  • Scott_P said:

    @jessicaelgot: Five hours later, lobby carpool has arrived in Stoke. Lab sources sounding cheerful, Ukip sounding coy. Everyone wet and cold. Result 2-3am.

    Hasnt someone been injured in Stoke today as a result of the weather. Hope they are ok
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    edited February 2017

    Sean_F said:

    I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.

    The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.
    The common denominator is British nationalism, and that's fine by me.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    Was trying to square up UKIP in Copeland and had 1 pence matched at almost the max lol

    UKIP 990 £0.01 £9.89
    Ref: xx Matched: 23-Feb-17
    UKIP 900 £0.01 £8.99
    Ref: xx Matched: 23-Feb-17

    Just left it open for the moment.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    Who is laying these 1 pennies :) ?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pulpstar said:

    Was trying to square up UKIP in Copeland and had 1 pence matched at almost the max lol

    UKIP 990 £0.01 £9.89
    Ref: xx Matched: 23-Feb-17
    UKIP 900 £0.01 £8.99
    Ref: xx Matched: 23-Feb-17

    Just left it open for the moment.

    Brilliant!

    Someones trying to get a grand at 940!
  • Sean_F said:

    I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.

    The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.
    The EU is a 1950s throwback - the original Treaty of Rome dates from 1957...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    Jonathan said:

    NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.

    I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    Sean_F said:

    I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.

    The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.
    The EU is a 1950s throwback - the original Treaty of Rome dates from 1957...
    In case you missed it -- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/23/donald-trumps-love-royal-family-may-see-united-states-join-commonwealth/
  • Doris Day saw some of my trainspotting plans in tatters :lol:

    An hour or more freezing my proverbials off waiting at Doncaster for a Grand Central train from London to Bradford (via rare track through Knottingley, Pontefract, and Wakefield) resulted in me having to turn back to my temporary Command Center base in Leeds and then tackle Knottingley via Castleford, and then get to Wakefield Kirkgate from there. I still have to do the relatively long piece of track connecting Doncaster to Knottingley!

    Anyway, I got to see Pontefract Race Course, and Featherstone Rugby Club - from the train :lol:
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,471
    edited February 2017
    Sean_F said:

    Jonathan said:

    NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.

    I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.
    There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.
  • RobD said:

    Sean_F said:

    I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.

    The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.
    The EU is a 1950s throwback - the original Treaty of Rome dates from 1957...
    In case you missed it -- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/23/donald-trumps-love-royal-family-may-see-united-states-join-commonwealth/
    [Giggling like a child]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sunil060902/sandbox
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,471
    edited February 2017

    Sean_F said:

    I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.

    The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.
    The EU is a 1950s throwback - the original Treaty of Rome dates from 1957...
    Is England a C11 throwback? Or the UK a C18 throwback?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited February 2017
    Jonathan said:

    NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.

    The principle of a collectively funded health system that treats important health issues isn't a matter of left and right. It's almost universally accepted as a good idea.

    That doesn't mean the way we go about delivering it is especially effective or efficient.

    Value? If it's so good, why doesn't everyone else copy it?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,855
    Jonathan said:

    There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.

    Medical treatment is only part of the NHS, there's a lot more to the organisation. You can have great food in a restaurant, but if it's noisy, crowded, and getting a booking is a pain, it will still be a poor place to choose to go. The NHS is basically crap at the non-medical stuff.
  • Dirty Dele Alli.
  • Jonathan said:

    Sean_F said:

    I think growing eurosceptic sentiment has resulted in growing Unionist sentiment.

    The common denominator is harking back to a British imperialist past.
    The EU is a 1950s throwback - the original Treaty of Rome dates from 1957...
    Is England a C11 throwback? Or the UK a C18 throwback?
    The Roman Empire a 1st century BC throwback?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,122
    That should be 10 games for Alli.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Good evening.

    Anything interesting happening tonight?

    Hoping something will be Stoked up, and we can all Cope with it.

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    chestnut said:


    Value? If it's so good, why doesn't everyone else copy it?

    Value? If it's so good, why doesn't anyone else copy it?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Has Keith Vaz engineered a big story to deflect from labour tomorrow morning.

    Either way disgraceful and I hope they go down as a result
    There is no loyalty left in this world...
    I am sad, but it is the right decision. Our position in the League is poor and our form worse. The performances against Swansea and Millwall were pathetic. Last night only luck and good goalkeeping kept Sevilla from scoring 4 or more. The second half was better, at moments looking like last years team. It was not enough.

    The window is closed, there are a dozen games to go in the League, Claudio was the only thing possible to change. But I am sad, Claudio is a true gentleman, not a man to fire up the team and keep us up to rebuild.

  • tlg86 said:

    That should be 10 games for Alli.

    That has to be the worst challenge I've seen since Steven Gerrard's challenge on Kevin Campbell in the 1999 Merseyside Derby that left Campbell spending the rest of the season looking for someone with a bollock donor card.
  • Dirty Dele Alli.

    Whats he done
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,122

    tlg86 said:

    That should be 10 games for Alli.

    That has to be the worst challenge I've seen since Steven Gerrard's challenge on Kevin Campbell in the 1999 Merseyside Derby that left Campbell spending the rest of the season looking for someone with a bollock donor card.
    Yeah, that was a bad one! There was clearly intent from Alli and he's bloody lucky he didn't do serious damage to the Gent player.
  • Dirty Dele Alli.

    Whats he done
    One of the worst challenges you'll ever see.

    Think Roy Keane at his very worst.

  • Good evening.

    Anything interesting happening tonight?

    Hoping something will be Stoked up, and we can all Cope with it.

    Isn't QT in Stoke? Not that I watch it these days :)
  • Pulpstar said:

    Who is laying these 1 pennies :) ?


    Auto cash out programs
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    That should be 10 games for Alli.

    That has to be the worst challenge I've seen since Steven Gerrard's challenge on Kevin Campbell in the 1999 Merseyside Derby that left Campbell spending the rest of the season looking for someone with a bollock donor card.
    Yeah, that was a bad one! There was clearly intent from Alli and he's bloody lucky he didn't do serious damage to the Gent player.
    Well we know at least one person who is neither an Arsenal nor a Gent fan pleased with how things have panned out at Wembley so far.
  • danielmawbsdanielmawbs Posts: 96
    edited February 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    Was trying to square up UKIP in Copeland and had 1 pence matched at almost the max lol

    UKIP 990 £0.01 £9.89
    Ref: xx Matched: 23-Feb-17
    UKIP 900 £0.01 £8.99
    Ref: xx Matched: 23-Feb-17

    Just left it open for the moment.

    I had £2 matched on ukip/lab in a series of penny bets which I then laid off at 200 for a handsome £3 profit

  • Dirty Dele Alli.

    Whats he done
    One of the worst challenges you'll ever see.

    Think Roy Keane at his very worst.
    I witnessed all of Roy's tackles and Alli matched the worst. It must have been bad, was he sent off
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,302
    Scott_P said:
    quite right

    Sean gets them overexcited
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Scott_P said:

    ttps://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/834862661007507456

    Good for him; quite right too.
  • I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.

    ONS is saying the change isn't significant, given the uncertainties on the figures.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    That should be 10 games for Alli.

    That has to be the worst challenge I've seen since Steven Gerrard's challenge on Kevin Campbell in the 1999 Merseyside Derby that left Campbell spending the rest of the season looking for someone with a bollock donor card.
    Yeah, that was a bad one! There was clearly intent from Alli and he's bloody lucky he didn't do serious damage to the Gent player.
    Well we know at least one person who is neither an Arsenal nor a Gent fan pleased with how things have panned out at Wembley so far.
    I had a little flutter Laying Spurs. The odds were good and Spurs form at Wembley terrible. I couldn't resist.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Jonathan said:

    Sean_F said:

    Jonathan said:

    NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.

    I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.
    There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.
    There are good things and there are bad things

    Tomorrow in our office we have our usual charity dress down day.

    The recipient this week is the family of a small child who the NHS allegedly refused to do a brain scan on despite having many fits and the parents being sure there was something very wrong.

    In the end the scan was done and I large tumor was found. Too large for the NHS to handle they told the parents

    Family now raising money to get operation performed in the States.

    But they found money for transgender toilets

    Choices are a bitch eh



  • Is the next Leicester manager the Tony Barton de nos jours?

    A cursory check says you cant get at least 100/1 on Leicester winning this year's European cup.
  • RobD said:

    I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.

    ONS is saying the change isn't significant, given the uncertainties on the figures.
    The most likely outcome is still a fall; the ONS are simply saying they can't guarantee it. We shall see, anyway. It's just for interest :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.

    Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.

    Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.
  • Floater said:

    Jonathan said:

    Sean_F said:

    Jonathan said:

    NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.

    I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.
    There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.
    There are good things and there are bad things

    Tomorrow in our office we have our usual charity dress down day.

    The recipient this week is the family of a small child who the NHS allegedly refused to do a brain scan on despite having many fits and the parents being sure there was something very wrong.

    In the end the scan was done and I large tumor was found. Too large for the NHS to handle they told the parents

    Family now raising money to get operation performed in the States.

    But they found money for transgender toilets

    Choices are a bitch eh



    Have you got a link to the NHS spending money on transgender toilets?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    RobD said:

    I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.

    ONS is saying the change isn't significant, given the uncertainties on the figures.
    The most likely outcome is still a fall; the ONS are simply saying they can't guarantee it. We shall see, anyway. It's just for interest :)
    I made it an 82% chance of a fall.
  • Just seen Alli's tackle. Far worse than anything Roy Keene did. In fact in 65 years watching football I cannot think of anything worse as it was so deliberate. Long suspension coming surely
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,122
    RobD said:

    I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.

    ONS is saying the change isn't significant, given the uncertainties on the figures.
    It may actually be that net migration was going to fall anyway. It had been at that high level for sometime so maybe it was always going to ease off (another reason why Dave should have waited!).

    But I suspect the fall does have something to do with the vote. It'll be interesting to see what happens in Q1 and Q4.
  • Pulpstar said:

    It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.

    Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.

    Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.

    Part of me still thinks Ranieri's achievement, as impressive as it was, wasn't as good as Brian Clough's Forest achievements, promotion, Old First Division title, and two European cups in consecutive seasons.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,826
    What an ridiculous sacking. From being perhaps the most admired club in the league they've been shown to have feet of clay
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.

    Interesting mix of figures. A8 outflow up A2 immigration highest ever, Non EU students down.



  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    I see there's been a small but substantial fall in net migration. Interesting as I didn't expect migration to be confidence-driven. It does of course remain at a historically high level.

    ONS is saying the change isn't significant, given the uncertainties on the figures.
    The most likely outcome is still a fall; the ONS are simply saying they can't guarantee it. We shall see, anyway. It's just for interest :)
    I made it an 82% chance of a fall.
    It's a pretty complex situation which I think underlies the basic problem we have no just over the absolute numbers but control. Indeed it is interesting to think what might have happened to public opinion in 2004 if we'd been able to say, yes, there were 201,596 net migrants this year but we know exactly how many where and why.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769

    Just seen Alli's tackle. Far worse than anything Roy Keene did. In fact in 65 years watching football I cannot think of anything worse as it was so deliberate. Long suspension coming surely

    I think its about even with the Haaland challenge.

    If it was deliberate he deserves the rest of the season and then some.
    If it wasn't, well to have been so reckless and foolish also deserves an almighty ban.
  • Just seen Alli's tackle. Far worse than anything Roy Keene did. In fact in 65 years watching football I cannot think of anything worse as it was so deliberate. Long suspension coming surely

    Alf-Inge Håland says hello.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_st29mlQwU
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,122

    Pulpstar said:

    It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.

    Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.

    Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.

    Part of me still thinks Ranieri's achievement, as impressive as it was, wasn't as good as Brian Clough's Forest achievements, promotion, Old First Division title, and two European cups in consecutive seasons.
    And Clough did it with Derby too. But then I think Clough was doing it in an era when it was easier to make marginal gains. Today the market is very efficient so it's very difficult to significantly overachieve.
  • Patrick Battiston also says hello
  • Pulpstar said:

    Just seen Alli's tackle. Far worse than anything Roy Keene did. In fact in 65 years watching football I cannot think of anything worse as it was so deliberate. Long suspension coming surely

    I think its about even with the Haaland challenge.

    If it was deliberate he deserves the rest of the season and then some.
    If it wasn't, well to have been so reckless and foolish also deserves an almighty ban.
    Yes I was there at the game and I agree but both were terrible
  • Wow just seen it, horrific. I am surprised the guys leg didn't snap in two.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769

    Pulpstar said:

    It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.

    Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.

    Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.

    Part of me still thinks Ranieri's achievement, as impressive as it was, wasn't as good as Brian Clough's Forest achievements, promotion, Old First Division title, and two European cups in consecutive seasons.
    Wasn't so much of a cash differential between say Forest, Leeds and Liverpool back in those days.
    If someone was to take the Cleveland Browns and turn them into Superbowl winners, well it would still be an impressive achievement but not at Leicester level (The cash structure in NFL is roughly equal)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Roger said:

    What an ridiculous sacking. From being perhaps the most admired club in the league they've been shown to have feet of clay

    You haven't had to watch it!

    Sad, but the right decision by the owners.

    The king is dead, long live the king. Whoever it is...

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,580

    Just seen Alli's tackle. Far worse than anything Roy Keene did. In fact in 65 years watching football I cannot think of anything worse as it was so deliberate. Long suspension coming surely

    Alf-Inge Håland says hello.

    hts://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_st29mlQwU
    Didn't he say in a bio that he deliberately set out to hurt him? He should have been arrested for that challenge.

    As should Thatcher on Mendes here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v0CdBqUmNA&index=12&list=FLg5SdxeHca5JpoZ1j9-RpJg

    Look at the deliberate swing of the arm. Think it only got a yellow, and the FA broke its own rules to ban him since he had been given an on field punishment of a yellow.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,826
    Floater said:

    Jonathan said:

    Sean_F said:

    Jonathan said:

    NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.

    I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.
    There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.
    There are good things and there are bad things

    Tomorrow in our office we have our usual charity dress down day.

    The recipient this week is the family of a small child who the NHS allegedly refused to do a brain scan on despite having many fits and the parents being sure there was something very wrong.

    In the end the scan was done and I large tumor was found. Too large for the NHS to handle they told the parents

    Family now raising money to get operation performed in the States.

    But they found money for transgender toilets

    Choices are a bitch eh



    Do you really believe transgender toilets have anything to do with refusing to operate on a child's brain tumour? Try to recover your common sense.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Copeland update: Tories have been calm all campaign because they weren't favourites. Canvass returns look strong so now they feel they can win it. So they have something to lose rather nothing to lose. SOOOO, now...mild panic. Squeaky bum time they tell me!

    UKIP not talking to me at all...sign of a loss.

    Labour in gallows mood. They say Stoke is won unless they have completely got it wrong. They think Copeland is lost, but they feel better than they did earlier, because of the beer, so they may sneak a victory!. That's all sentimental, mind.


    DYOR
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Roger said:

    Floater said:

    Jonathan said:

    Sean_F said:

    Jonathan said:

    NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.

    I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.
    There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.
    There are good things and there are bad things

    Tomorrow in our office we have our usual charity dress down day.

    The recipient this week is the family of a small child who the NHS allegedly refused to do a brain scan on despite having many fits and the parents being sure there was something very wrong.

    In the end the scan was done and I large tumor was found. Too large for the NHS to handle they told the parents

    Family now raising money to get operation performed in the States.

    But they found money for transgender toilets

    Choices are a bitch eh



    Do you really believe transgender toilets have anything to do with refusing to operate on a child's brain tumour? Try to recover your common sense.
    It's about priorities. All wrong. money comes from same pot.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Roger said:

    What an ridiculous sacking. From being perhaps the most admired club in the league they've been shown to have feet of clay

    indeed. no loyalty at all. and clubs who sack managers tend to do worse.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,122
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.

    Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.

    Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.

    Part of me still thinks Ranieri's achievement, as impressive as it was, wasn't as good as Brian Clough's Forest achievements, promotion, Old First Division title, and two European cups in consecutive seasons.
    Wasn't so much of a cash differential between say Forest, Leeds and Liverpool back in those days.
    If someone was to take the Cleveland Browns and turn them into Superbowl winners, well it would still be an impressive achievement but not at Leicester level (The cash structure in NFL is roughly equal)
    Maybe I'm being a bit harsh, but I think Leicester got a little bit lucky last season. I know the league doesn't lie, but I really think Spurs were the best team last season. But then maybe my view of it is clouded because I saw them twice last season and they lost both times! And we didn't see many of their games in the first half of the season when they were going really well.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,580
    edited February 2017
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.

    Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.

    Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.

    Part of me still thinks Ranieri's achievement, as impressive as it was, wasn't as good as Brian Clough's Forest achievements, promotion, Old First Division title, and two European cups in consecutive seasons.
    Wasn't so much of a cash differential between say Forest, Leeds and Liverpool back in those days.
    If someone was to take the Cleveland Browns and turn them into Superbowl winners, well it would still be an impressive achievement but not at Leicester level (The cash structure in NFL is roughly equal)
    Maybe I'm being a bit harsh, but I think Leicester got a little bit lucky last season. I know the league doesn't lie, but I really think Spurs were the best team last season. But then maybe my view of it is clouded because I saw them twice last season and they lost both times! And we didn't see many of their games in the first half of the season when they were going really well.
    They certainly did get a bit lucky at times, but the best team is the team that wins - Tottenham played better football, but didn't have the quality to see it through, while with far less potential quality Leicester made the most of their opportunity.

    Given the club achieved the near impossible under him, Leicester could have given Ranieri a full year again - even if they were relegated, the chance of him turning it around in another year may have been worth it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    Leicester would have a better chance of staying up if they had kept Ranieri and sacked the team.
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