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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,654
    Time ladies and gentlemen.

    Ask not for whom the bell tolls Nuttall and Corbyn. It tolls for thee.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PolhomeEditor: Usual health warnings apply, but top Labour source predicting Tories have won Copeland. Party much more confident about Stoke, though.
  • Pulpstar said:

    What happens if the flying brick wins in Stoke ?

    How does Betfair sort that market ?

    I get 3k as I've laid all the 4 options ;-)
  • AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Good to see Trevor Phillips confronting student snowflakes on Channel 4 who think it's offensive to wear Mexican headwear.

    Amazing just how illiberal some of these so called liberals are. Banning somberos and dressing as pochontas? Seems to me they'd ban anything.
    Do they protest against FGM and forced marriages?
    They do actually, just it is not news.
    Citation needed...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Usual health warnings apply, but top Labour source predicting Tories have won Copeland. Party much more confident about Stoke, though.

    Pretty much what the majority of people have been predicting.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,580
    So, hours away from it transpiring the voters have not cooperated in making the elections exciting. They gave us Richmond, we're probably not due another exciting one for awhile.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?

    Surely the Arse

    Double over Leicester
    Beat City home drew away
    Two draws w Spurs
    Two draws w Liverpool
    Beat Utd home lost away
    Double over Everton
    Drew Soton home lost away

    6 6 2?
    West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:

    http://tinyurl.com/zwfzze4

    Note just how terrible City were against the other top teams.
    How's it going for Arsenal in the CL? At least you also got an away goal ;-)
    That was Man City, btw. Yes, we've done our usual thing in Europe - though at least I didn't waste £350 going to Munich. Winning the group did us no good whatsoever.

    Still, at least we're not crashing out of Europe on a Thursday night!
    Yep. Schadenfreude all round! Such is the pleasure of football.

    Do you want 5/2 for £20 Con bt UKIP in Stoke?
    Is that a general offer :) ?
    Not really, I offered it to him ages ago. What price do you think it should be then?
    UKIP 4.3 / Tories 15.5 midpoints Betfair at the moment. Seeing as that is pretty much 100% of the market without Labour, just divide them ?

    Which yields 3.6 ?

    I make it 2/7 & 7/2 off that?

    23.2/29.6=78.3% chance of UKIP 21.7% chance of Con
    Well I'll take £20 at 7-2 :)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Why are Spurs disappointed to get knocked out of this mickey mouse cup? They've had a result

    Win and you are in the champions league
    Yeah but come Runners up and league pos 5th on the back of Thursday night excertions and you are back in the Disney Cup
  • AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Good to see Trevor Phillips confronting student snowflakes on Channel 4 who think it's offensive to wear Mexican headwear.

    Amazing just how illiberal some of these so called liberals are. Banning somberos and dressing as pochontas? Seems to me they'd ban anything.
    Do they protest against FGM and forced marriages?
    They do actually, just it is not news.
    Do they ?

    The plods and the CPS clearly don't.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Usual health warnings apply, but top Labour source predicting Tories have won Copeland. Party much more confident about Stoke, though.

    That would be the perfect combination :D
  • Are there exit polls ?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,122
    On Ranieri, I I think we have to respect the views of @foxinsoxuk - he sees them every week, we don't. I saw Leicester at the Emirates in Feb 15 and confidently predicted that they'd stay up (didn't bet on it, mind). Maybe it's a bit unfair on Ranieri, but clearly something isn't right and I think they've probably made the right decision.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,111
    I'm balls deep on Con coming second in Stoke now. I'll lose my entire SPIN PB prize money for predicting the 2015 GE if they don't.

    If they somehow win, then Champers till April.

    But, if it all goes to pot, I'll still have a lovely pup (who is sleeping through the night already) and a bookcase full of Robert Peel's books :)
  • Are there exit polls ?

    No
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    Chomsky was right: watching sports is an effing waste of life. #spurs #ranieri
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Sky saying turn out very low. Maybe 20s, no more than 30s.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Adam Boulton, Faisal Islam and Professor Michael Thrasher live on Sky News:

    http://news.sky.com/watch-live
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Tories go from 1/3 to 1/2 in last couple of mins in Copeland.

    Something has happened...

    Is that a significant change? I ask as a non -betiing person!
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Sky say Labour more confident in Stoke.
  • Oh dear Spurs.

    The worst European campaign since Cameron's renegotiation deal....
  • For the old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Mitcham in 1982 ?

    For the really old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Brighouse in 1960 ?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    justin124 said:

    Tories go from 1/3 to 1/2 in last couple of mins in Copeland.

    Something has happened...

    Is that a significant change? I ask as a non -betiing person!
    75% to 66.7%
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SeanT said:

    Has Keith Vaz engineered a big story to deflect from labour tomorrow morning.

    Either way disgraceful and I hope they go down as a result
    There is no loyalty left in this world...
    I am sad, but it is the right decision. Our position in the League is poor and our form worse. The performances against Swansea and Millwall were pathetic. Last night only luck and good goalkeeping kept Sevilla from scoring 4 or more. The second half was better, at moments looking like last years team. It was not enough.

    The window is closed, there are a dozen games to go in the League, Claudio was the only thing possible to change. But I am sad, Claudio is a true gentleman, not a man to fire up the team and keep us up to rebuild.

    It's a disgusting decision. Repulsive. You've gone from most-loved team to most-hated.

    If you got relegated, who fucking cares. You're a minor team. The gent Ranieri gave you the greatest possible moment EVER. No one will ever equal what he did for you.


    It's quite quite emetic. I hope Leicester are relegated to the Scottish premier league and that famine strikes your city for the next seven years in a row.
    I don't care if other supporters hate us, in fact I like it.

    Football is about bloodyminded partisanship and tribalism.

    I enjoyed League One a few years back, and the CL this year. Other teams supporters cannot know that joy and pain of the rollercoaster. They are bus wankers.
  • Whitehaven News just now:

    "First indications are that the turnout was around 50 per cent, we've been told....."

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,580
    Dixie said:

    Sky say Labour more confident in Stoke.

    I should hope so!
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Copeland too close to call say Sky.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    ANYONE BUT UKIP.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    For the old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Mitcham in 1982 ?

    For the really old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Brighouse in 1960 ?

    You can watch the reaction on this video I uploaded:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpt2ywiTzY
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Goupillon said:

    Whitehaven News just now:

    "First indications are that the turnout was around 50 per cent, we've been told....."

    lower turnout in Stoke then.
  • Are there exit polls ?

    Did you hear what happened to the psephologist from Warsaw after he voted?

    He became an Exit Pole!

    :lol:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/834886599288762369

    Sounds too good to be true. Forget the Blue Nun, champers on standby!

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    edited February 2017
    Oooh sounds like Corbyn expects defeat in at least one.

    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/834887005616107523
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,068
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Usual health warnings apply, but top Labour source predicting Tories have won Copeland. Party much more confident about Stoke, though.

    That would be the perfect combination :D
    Not for me.

    But, terrible for Labour, if true, the worst result for the principal opposition for 138 years.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    isam said:

    justin124 said:

    Tories go from 1/3 to 1/2 in last couple of mins in Copeland.

    Something has happened...

    Is that a significant change? I ask as a non -betiing person!
    75% to 66.7%
    Same change as from 100-1 to 11-1 (I think)
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Dixie said:

    Sky saying turn out very low. Maybe 20s, no more than 30s.

    in Stoke
  • Goupillon said:
    They kill Mutants, right?
  • If Labour win Copeland then they have once again an incredible expectations management spin team.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2017

    Are there exit polls ?

    There used to be by-election exit polls in the 1990s but they're now deemed to be too expensive.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    For the old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Mitcham in 1982 ?

    For the really old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Brighouse in 1960 ?

    I suspect you could have heard the Tories chortling and tittering from across the Atlantic! :smiley:
  • Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    justin124 said:

    Tories go from 1/3 to 1/2 in last couple of mins in Copeland.

    Something has happened...

    Is that a significant change? I ask as a non -betiing person!
    75% to 66.7%
    Same change as from 100-1 to 11-1 (I think)
    No it's really not.
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    justin124 said:

    Tories go from 1/3 to 1/2 in last couple of mins in Copeland.

    Something has happened...

    Is that a significant change? I ask as a non -betiing person!
    75% to 66.7%
    Same change as from 100-1 to 11-1 (I think)
    Still 1/3 with Ladbrokes 1/2 with Betfred was best price 2/5 earlier in the day with various firms, not wildly significant.
  • RobD said:

    For the old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Mitcham in 1982 ?

    For the really old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Brighouse in 1960 ?

    I suspect you could have heard the Tories chortling and tittering from across the Atlantic! :smiley:
    While we conduct Austerity Debates? ;)
  • HYUFD said:

    Harris France presidential poll

    Round 1 Le Pen 25% Fillon 21% Macron 20% Hamon 14% Melenchon 13%

    Round 2 Macron 60% Le Pen 40% Fillon 57% Le Pen 43%
    http://harris-interactive.fr/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2017/02/Rapport-Harris-Intentions-vote-election-presidentielle-France-TV.pdf

    The result is pretty consistent with the other polls with Le Pen clearly in front and a very close fight for second place. The Fillon camp will be pleased to have a poll showing him just in front , as IFOP and Opinion way show the reverse.


  • M.PartridgeM.Partridge Posts: 70
    edited February 2017
    Hmmmm.....am i not getting something?

    The bookies are making Labour odds more and more likely each minute to take Copeland, but all the talk on here suggests they have lost....am i missing something?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,654
    If the Tories do take Copeland there will be a lot of Labour Councillors sleeping uneasily with the locals pending.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    RobD said:

    For the old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Mitcham in 1982 ?

    For the really old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Brighouse in 1960 ?

    I suspect you could have heard the Tories chortling and tittering from across the Atlantic! :smiley:
    It is my local area. In 1997 Labour won Mitcham and Morden and have never looked back. Massive majorities in all elections.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    I was more interested to see Labour suddenly shortening to 6/4 just before the polls closed - implying a 40% chance of a win .
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    justin124 said:

    Tories go from 1/3 to 1/2 in last couple of mins in Copeland.

    Something has happened...

    Is that a significant change? I ask as a non -betiing person!
    75% to 66.7%
    Same change as from 100-1 to 11-1 (I think)
    No it's really not.
    You're right, 1-3 to 1-2 is a bigger swing.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    justin124 said:

    Tories go from 1/3 to 1/2 in last couple of mins in Copeland.

    Something has happened...

    Is that a significant change? I ask as a non -betiing person!
    75% to 66.7%
    Same change as from 100-1 to 11-1 (I think)
    A bet on UKIP vs Con? You can have £20 if fox doesnt want it, I have asked him twice
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    RobD said:

    For the old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Mitcham in 1982 ?

    For the really old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Brighouse in 1960 ?

    I suspect you could have heard the Tories chortling and tittering from across the Atlantic! :smiley:
    While we conduct Austerity Debates? ;)
    Indeed :D
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,580

    Oooh sounds like Corbyn expects defeat in at least one.

    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/834887005616107523

    The man is great at expectations management. But what is he talking about? The 'political establishment' has let the people down, but if Labour lose in Copeland it will be to the governing party, so the people will apparently disagree.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    "Confession"? Nothing there he's not said before, as far as I can tell.
  • Goupillon said:

    Whitehaven News just now:

    "First indications are that the turnout was around 50 per cent, we've been told....."

    Given prior history I think we can safely conclude it was 25-30%.

    Always overestimated.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    justin124 said:

    Tories go from 1/3 to 1/2 in last couple of mins in Copeland.

    Something has happened...

    Is that a significant change? I ask as a non -betiing person!
    75% to 66.7%
    Same change as from 100-1 to 11-1 (I think)
    A bet on UKIP vs Con? You can have £20 if fox doesnt want it, I have asked him twice
    At 5-2 for Stoke ?
    ~
    Sure

    I win £50 if Tories beat UKIP, lose £20 if they don't ?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?

    Surely the Arse

    Double over Leicester
    Beat City home drew away
    Two draws w Spurs
    Two draws w Liverpool
    Beat Utd home lost away
    Double over Everton
    Drew Soton home lost away

    6 6 2?
    West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:

    http://tinyurl.com/zwfzze4

    Note just how terrible City were against the other top teams.
    How's it going for Arsenal in the CL? At least you also got an away goal ;-)
    That was Man City, btw. Yes, we've done our usual thing in Europe - though at least I didn't waste £350 going to Munich. Winning the group did us no good whatsoever.

    Still, at least we're not crashing out of Europe on a Thursday night!
    Yep. Schadenfreude all round! Such is the pleasure of football.

    Do you want 5/2 for £20 Con bt UKIP in Stoke?
    Is that a general offer :) ?
    Not really, I offered it to him ages ago. What price do you think it should be then?
    UKIP 4.3 / Tories 15.5 midpoints Betfair at the moment. Seeing as that is pretty much 100% of the market without Labour, just divide them ?

    Which yields 3.6 ?

    I make it 2/7 & 7/2 off that?

    23.2/29.6=78.3% chance of UKIP 21.7% chance of Con
    Well I'll take £20 at 7-2 :)
    No of course not!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,974

    HYUFD said:

    Harris France presidential poll

    Round 1 Le Pen 25% Fillon 21% Macron 20% Hamon 14% Melenchon 13%

    Round 2 Macron 60% Le Pen 40% Fillon 57% Le Pen 43%
    http://harris-interactive.fr/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2017/02/Rapport-Harris-Intentions-vote-election-presidentielle-France-TV.pdf

    The result is pretty consistent with the other polls with Le Pen clearly in front and a very close fight for second place. The Fillon camp will be pleased to have a poll showing him just in front , as IFOP and Opinion way show the reverse.


    Macron will likely have got a small bounce from Bayrou but longer term I doubt it makes much difference, it will be very close between Macron and Fillon as to who makes the runoff
  • Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    justin124 said:

    Tories go from 1/3 to 1/2 in last couple of mins in Copeland.

    Something has happened...

    Is that a significant change? I ask as a non -betiing person!
    75% to 66.7%
    Same change as from 100-1 to 11-1 (I think)
    No it's really not.
    You're right, 1-3 to 1-2 is a bigger swing.
    No it's not. 100/1 to 11/1 is a much bigger swing.
  • Danny565 said:

    "Confession"? Nothing there he's not said before, as far as I can tell.
    Except the Trump bit? I was led to believe they were thumbs-aloft best buddies.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    justin124 said:

    Tories go from 1/3 to 1/2 in last couple of mins in Copeland.

    Something has happened...

    Is that a significant change? I ask as a non -betiing person!
    75% to 66.7%
    Same change as from 100-1 to 11-1 (I think)
    A bet on UKIP vs Con? You can have £20 if fox doesnt want it, I have asked him twice
    At 5-2 for Stoke ?
    ~
    Sure

    I win £50 if Tories beat UKIP, lose £20 if they don't ?
    Yes ok you've got it
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Hmmmm.....am i not getting something?

    The bookies are making Labour odds more and more likely each minute to take Copeland, but all the talk on here suggests they have lost....am i missing something?

    too close to call I think. Both parties will be 1/3 at this rate.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?

    Surely the Arse

    Double over Leicester
    Beat City home drew away
    Two draws w Spurs
    Two draws w Liverpool
    Beat Utd home lost away
    Double over Everton
    Drew Soton home lost away

    6 6 2?
    West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:

    http://tinyurl.com/zwfzze4

    Note just how terrible City were against the other top teams.
    How's it going for Arsenal in the CL? At least you also got an away goal ;-)
    That was Man City, btw. Yes, we've done our usual thing in Europe - though at least I didn't waste £350 going to Munich. Winning the group did us no good whatsoever.

    Still, at least we're not crashing out of Europe on a Thursday night!
    Yep. Schadenfreude all round! Such is the pleasure of football.

    Do you want 5/2 for £20 Con bt UKIP in Stoke?
    Nah. I have spent my stake money for this month, but thanks for the offer.
    Ok, sorry only just saw this
  • Who in Stoke does a lower turn out favour?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Hmmmm.....am i not getting something?

    The bookies are making Labour odds more and more likely each minute to take Copeland, but all the talk on here suggests they have lost....am i missing something?

    Well, I'm pretty sure the bookies moved towards Labour in the last few minutes before the exit poll on GE2015 night.... #omens
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,122
    SeanT said:

    tlg86 said:

    On Ranieri, I I think we have to respect the views of @foxinsoxuk - he sees them every week, we don't. I saw Leicester at the Emirates in Feb 15 and confidently predicted that they'd stay up (didn't bet on it, mind). Maybe it's a bit unfair on Ranieri, but clearly something isn't right and I think they've probably made the right decision.

    No, it's just WRONG. Morally wrong. Really and genuinely dismaying for the average non-partisan fan.

    UGH.

    Give him the whole season, if you get relegated, so be it. Then rebuild. Part company on decent terms.


    His achievement was so massive it deserved something special. Fuck Leicester. YUK.
    If Leicester go down I don't see them coming straight back up. There is no room for sentiment in this game. I didn't see the game live, but that diamond he played at Southampton was a complete mess - so he has certainly contributed to some of the problems.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,121
    Did someone give "Sinner" Michael a big lunch before this interview? ;)
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    That is actually not as bad as I thought. With the weather and it being a terrible turnout constituency in normal times, I was expecting <20%.
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483

    Hmmmm.....am i not getting something?

    The bookies are making Labour odds more and more likely each minute to take Copeland, but all the talk on here suggests they have lost....am i missing something?

    The odds haven't changed that much all day Tories were 2/5 at lunchtime, right now they're 4/9 on Betfair.
    Nobody really knows who's won at this stage.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Goupillon said:

    Whitehaven News just now:

    "First indications are that the turnout was around 50 per cent, we've been told....."

    Given prior history I think we can safely conclude it was 25-30%.

    Always overestimated.
    I don't think I've ever seen turnout being underestimated before a result.
  • Why don't we get the people from Sunderland to count all by election votes?
  • Stoke Sentinel a few minutes ago:

    "The first few ballot boxes have arrived at Fenton Manor for the Stoke-on-Trent Central by-election count. They'll be coming here from all 45 polling stations across the constituency over the next 15 minutes or so.

    Read more at http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/live-stoke-on-trent-central-by-election-results/story-30153407-detail/story.html#bSUfZVUMu8P047yI.99"
  • Who in Stoke does a lower turn out favour?

    I'd have thought slightly against Labour, but they seem very confident.

    It feels like Tories in a clear (but distant) second, but we'll see.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @britainelects: ITV reports the Tories are confident of gaining Copeland and that Labour are hoping to edge Stoke Central.
  • AndyJS said:

    For the old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Mitcham in 1982 ?

    For the really old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Brighouse in 1960 ?

    You can watch the reaction on this video I uploaded:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpt2ywiTzY
    Thanks.

    And for all the other YouTube videos you've uploaded.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    ITV reports the Tories are confident of gaining Copeland and that Labour are hoping to edge Stoke Central.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    Who in Stoke does a lower turn out favour?

    The better organised, so presumably Labour.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    Why don't we get the people from Sunderland to count all by election votes?

    Would make for a disappointingly short by This Week by election special.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Britain Elects‏@britainelects 55s56 seconds ago

    ITV reports the Tories are confident of gaining Copeland and that Labour are hoping to edge Stoke Central.
  • Who in Stoke does a lower turn out favour?

    The better organised, so presumably Labour.
    Every election we have this sort of speculation, I've never thought it bears much relation to the result. Shame we have to wait for actual results :)
  • Scott_P said:
    How can he step down now, 21st Century Socialism is just starting to really take off....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,650

    Goupillon said:
    They kill Mutants, right?
    Yes. They are 30ft high robots built to track and kill mutants. They were built out of clay and fired in special kilns on the outskirts of Stoke. They were especially popular during Chris Claremont's run in the 70's, when Wolverine was enlisted into the Weapon X programme of Stoke City Council, designed to target recalcitrant traffic wardens and in extremis act as a kebab holder. Alan Moore's later reinvention, relocating the series to Northampton for Jean Grey and the "Dark Red-necked Egret" saga, was not entirely successful... :)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,121
    TudorRose said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Thanks Harry! :)

    What time are we expecting declarations in Stoke and Copeland?

    Someone on here yesterday was suggesting 1-2am for Stoke and 3-4am for Copeland (weather permitting).
    Thank you Tudor. :)
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483
    Dixie said:

    Hmmmm.....am i not getting something?

    The bookies are making Labour odds more and more likely each minute to take Copeland, but all the talk on here suggests they have lost....am i missing something?

    too close to call I think. Both parties will be 1/3 at this rate.
    Really? I'd like to lay them both then, thank you very much!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    For the old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Mitcham in 1982 ?

    For the really old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Brighouse in 1960 ?

    You can watch the reaction on this video I uploaded:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpt2ywiTzY
    Thanks.

    And for all the other YouTube videos you've uploaded.
    And thanks to the London councillor who sent me the Mitcham & Morden video.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221

    Why don't we get the people from Sunderland to count all by election votes?

    very good, and a good question
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    DeClare said:

    Dixie said:

    Hmmmm.....am i not getting something?

    The bookies are making Labour odds more and more likely each minute to take Copeland, but all the talk on here suggests they have lost....am i missing something?

    too close to call I think. Both parties will be 1/3 at this rate.
    Really? I'd like to lay them both then, thank you very much!
    Good Lord!
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    Dixie said:

    Tories have been calm all campaign because they weren't favourites.

    #alternativefacts
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tlg86 said:

    SeanT said:

    tlg86 said:

    On Ranieri, I I think we have to respect the views of @foxinsoxuk - he sees them every week, we don't. I saw Leicester at the Emirates in Feb 15 and confidently predicted that they'd stay up (didn't bet on it, mind). Maybe it's a bit unfair on Ranieri, but clearly something isn't right and I think they've probably made the right decision.

    No, it's just WRONG. Morally wrong. Really and genuinely dismaying for the average non-partisan fan.

    UGH.

    Give him the whole season, if you get relegated, so be it. Then rebuild. Part company on decent terms.


    His achievement was so massive it deserved something special. Fuck Leicester. YUK.
    If Leicester go down I don't see them coming straight back up. There is no room for sentiment in this game. I didn't see the game live, but that diamond he played at Southampton was a complete mess - so he has certainly contributed to some of the problems.
    Relegation isn't that bad. The fear is worse than the reality. I know I have seen it twice from the PL and once from the Championship. The team starts winning games, the fanbase is slightly reduced but more fanatical, and it is possible to get tickets. Promotion does beat it mind you!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,121
    "Hoping to edge" Stoke doesn't exactly sound brimming with confidence... Possible they could lose both seats?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    I don't like the sound of "hoping to edge", bloody Labour and their expectations.
  • AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    For the old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Mitcham in 1982 ?

    For the really old timers among us can anyone remember the reaction when the Conservatives gained Brighouse in 1960 ?

    You can watch the reaction on this video I uploaded:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpt2ywiTzY
    Thanks.

    And for all the other YouTube videos you've uploaded.
    And thanks to the London councillor who sent me the Mitcham & Morden video.
    I would have thought some politics dept would have a huge library of such videos - it would be good if they were all available in the public domain.
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    GIN1138 said:

    "Hoping to edge" Stoke doesn't exactly sound brimming with confidence... Possible they could lose both seats?
    or win both seats.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    Who in Stoke does a lower turn out favour?

    The better organised, so presumably Labour.
    Every election we have this sort of speculation, I've never thought it bears much relation to the result. Shame we have to wait for actual results :)
    Perhaps not, but in an age when a high percentage of votes in a by-election will be postal there is logic in it.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,121
    Dixie said:

    GIN1138 said:

    "Hoping to edge" Stoke doesn't exactly sound brimming with confidence... Possible they could lose both seats?
    or win both seats.
    Go Jezza!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smiley:
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