Report from Whitehaven News reporter at the counting hall:
"The ballot boxes that arrived earlier were the postal votes. I only saw four being brought in.
Bearing in mind that in 2015 there were 12,218 postal votes in Copeland, of which 9,737 were returned, I'm not sure if the four boxes for the by-election were all of them or not, plus I don't know how many postal votes fit in a box."
Anybody know about the possible capacity of these postal vote boxes?
Report from Whitehaven News reporter at the counting hall:
"The ballot boxes that arrived earlier were the postal votes. I only saw four being brought in.
Bearing in mind that in 2015 there were 12,218 postal votes in Copeland, of which 9,737 were returned, I'm not sure if the four boxes for the by-election were all of them or not, plus I don't know how many postal votes fit in a box."
Anybody know about the possible capacity of these postal vote boxes?
Copeland update: Tories have been calm all campaign because they weren't favourites. Canvass returns look strong so now they feel they can win it. So they have something to lose rather nothing to lose. SOOOO, now...mild panic. Squeaky bum time they tell me!
UKIP not talking to me at all...sign of a loss.
Labour in gallows mood. They say Stoke is won unless they have completely got it wrong. They think Copeland is lost, but they feel better than they did earlier, because of the beer, so they may sneak a victory!. That's all sentimental, mind.
DYOR
The Tories have been the bookies' favourites to win Copeland for pretty much the whole campaign.
Report from Whitehaven News reporter at the counting hall:
"The ballot boxes that arrived earlier were the postal votes. I only saw four being brought in.
Bearing in mind that in 2015 there were 12,218 postal votes in Copeland, of which 9,737 were returned, I'm not sure if the four boxes for the by-election were all of them or not, plus I don't know how many postal votes fit in a box."
Anybody know about the possible capacity of these postal vote boxes?
Report from Whitehaven News reporter at the counting hall:
"The ballot boxes that arrived earlier were the postal votes. I only saw four being brought in.
Bearing in mind that in 2015 there were 12,218 postal votes in Copeland, of which 9,737 were returned, I'm not sure if the four boxes for the by-election were all of them or not, plus I don't know how many postal votes fit in a box."
Anybody know about the possible capacity of these postal vote boxes?
That implies that circa 25% of the total votes cast in 2015 were postal votes. That is likely to rise to 30% + in this by election.
Copeland update: Tories have been calm all campaign because they weren't favourites. Canvass returns look strong so now they feel they can win it. So they have something to lose rather nothing to lose. SOOOO, now...mild panic. Squeaky bum time they tell me!
UKIP not talking to me at all...sign of a loss.
Labour in gallows mood. They say Stoke is won unless they have completely got it wrong. They think Copeland is lost, but they feel better than they did earlier, because of the beer, so they may sneak a victory!. That's all sentimental, mind.
DYOR
The Tories have been the bookies' favourites to win Copeland for pretty much the whole campaign.
Indeed, they have, but as people on here say, that is what the betters think, not the parties. But Tories never felt like favourites. I think it has been Labour held for 60 years. You don't win back those constituencies when in govt. And our Harry Hayfield says Labour win.
Report from Whitehaven News reporter at the counting hall:
"The ballot boxes that arrived earlier were the postal votes. I only saw four being brought in.
Bearing in mind that in 2015 there were 12,218 postal votes in Copeland, of which 9,737 were returned, I'm not sure if the four boxes for the by-election were all of them or not, plus I don't know how many postal votes fit in a box."
Anybody know about the possible capacity of these postal vote boxes?
Maybe we need a spreadsheet.
Oh that's your solution to everything.
Correctly.
We all have our crutches, yours is Erskine May (and filthy neutrality)
NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.
I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.
There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.
There are good things and there are bad things
Tomorrow in our office we have our usual charity dress down day.
The recipient this week is the family of a small child who the NHS allegedly refused to do a brain scan on despite having many fits and the parents being sure there was something very wrong.
In the end the scan was done and I large tumor was found. Too large for the NHS to handle they told the parents
Family now raising money to get operation performed in the States.
But they found money for transgender toilets
Choices are a bitch eh
Do you really believe transgender toilets have anything to do with refusing to operate on a child's brain tumour? Try to recover your common sense.
It's about priorities. All wrong. money comes from same pot.
It's the same argument Corbyn's used throughout his life about nuclear weapons. It's puerile.
FPT not against Cyclefree specifically here but all of you that have compared the dodgy geezers you know and engaged in one upmanship. Says a lot about pb all these people had the audacity to steal money.
Sorry dodgy geezers are those that will happily steal lives without blinking and I suspect seant knows more of them than you
Not my area of expertise but surely the very point of the lights is to generate heat so how would using LEDs help?
It's not heat that you need. It's the light so that you can control and force the growing season. You can net 0.8kg every 12-13 weeks from about 40 plants.
Interesting didn't know that, as I said not my area of expertise at all. I always assumed it was a greenhouse-like effect of heat that the lights were there to generate.
I doubt the economics and techniques of cannabis farms are an area of expertise to many posters on this site. Indeed, Mr.Pubgoer seems to be suspiciously knowledgeable.
Never personally HL PBers have known many people. I just seem to have known a few more rogues than most over the years. Although I guess Sean T would probably lead the way in having known some dodgy geezers.
I am reassured, Mr. Pubgoer.
In the who has known most crooks stakes, I would put SeanT well down the list. Anyone who has worked in the City for any length of time is probably leading him by a length and a half and those that have worked in merchant banking are so far clear of the field that they are could probably have a competition amongst themselves. The supposedly stale area of insurance is not immune either. I know of one chap, who might still be alive so I am not going to name him, having been thrown out of Lloyds for corrupt and improper practice used to do deals out of his Rolls Royce parked around the corner.
I think I ought to win that competition! I did do my bit putting the perpetrator of Britain's biggest fraud in prison, after all.
And I meet dodgy geezers every day of the week.....
It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.
Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.
Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.
Part of me still thinks Ranieri's achievement, as impressive as it was, wasn't as good as Brian Clough's Forest achievements, promotion, Old First Division title, and two European cups in consecutive seasons.
And Clough did it with Derby too. But then I think Clough was doing it in an era when it was easier to make marginal gains. Today the market is very efficient so it's very difficult to significantly overachieve.
The really great manager of that era was the one who is never talked about.
Took over from a loudmouth with a huge reputation and did far better but because he wasn't a loudmouth he isn't remembered.
Copeland update: Tories have been calm all campaign because they weren't favourites. Canvass returns look strong so now they feel they can win it. So they have something to lose rather nothing to lose. SOOOO, now...mild panic. Squeaky bum time they tell me!
UKIP not talking to me at all...sign of a loss.
Labour in gallows mood. They say Stoke is won unless they have completely got it wrong. They think Copeland is lost, but they feel better than they did earlier, because of the beer, so they may sneak a victory!. That's all sentimental, mind.
DYOR
The Tories have been the bookies' favourites to win Copeland for pretty much the whole campaign.
Indeed, they have, but as people on here say, that is what the betters think, not the parties. But Tories never felt like favourites. I think it has been Labour held for 60 years. You don't win back those constituencies when in govt. And our Harry Hayfield says Labour win.
I'm not sure I understand a concept of favourite that disregards bookies' odds and goes on feelings.
Copeland update: Tories have been calm all campaign because they weren't favourites. Canvass returns look strong so now they feel they can win it. So they have something to lose rather nothing to lose. SOOOO, now...mild panic. Squeaky bum time they tell me!
UKIP not talking to me at all...sign of a loss.
Labour in gallows mood. They say Stoke is won unless they have completely got it wrong. They think Copeland is lost, but they feel better than they did earlier, because of the beer, so they may sneak a victory!. That's all sentimental, mind.
DYOR
The Tories have been the bookies' favourites to win Copeland for pretty much the whole campaign.
Indeed, they have, but as people on here say, that is what the betters think, not the parties. But Tories never felt like favourites. I think it has been Labour held for 60 years. You don't win back those constituencies when in govt. And our Harry Hayfield says Labour win.
I'm not sure I understand a concept of favourite that disregards bookies' odds and goes on feelings.
Depends on who is doing the feeling, and what they know.
Copeland update: Tories have been calm all campaign because they weren't favourites. Canvass returns look strong so now they feel they can win it. So they have something to lose rather nothing to lose. SOOOO, now...mild panic. Squeaky bum time they tell me!
UKIP not talking to me at all...sign of a loss.
Labour in gallows mood. They say Stoke is won unless they have completely got it wrong. They think Copeland is lost, but they feel better than they did earlier, because of the beer, so they may sneak a victory!. That's all sentimental, mind.
DYOR
The Tories have been the bookies' favourites to win Copeland for pretty much the whole campaign.
It's hard to understand why, unless the Labour Party is collapsing, like the Liberals in the 1920's, as opposed to being just very unpopular. If the Tories win Copeland, it's the best result for a governing party since 1879.
It'll never be achieved again what Ranieri managed at Leicester. This was Elvis on the moon type odds, the pinnacle, the everest, south pole, moon & mars mission all wrapped into one; perhaps there was just nowhere to go.
Ranieri will never achieve such heights again, and neither will Leicester. Perhaps he will retire, for to lift the Prem with a club that ought to be perenial championship/Prem bouncers can't and won't ever be topped in our lifetimes.
Farewell Ranieri, and thanks for showing what dreamers can do.
Part of me still thinks Ranieri's achievement, as impressive as it was, wasn't as good as Brian Clough's Forest achievements, promotion, Old First Division title, and two European cups in consecutive seasons.
And Clough did it with Derby too. But then I think Clough was doing it in an era when it was easier to make marginal gains. Today the market is very efficient so it's very difficult to significantly overachieve.
The really great manager of that era was the one who is never talked about.
Took over from a loudmouth with a huge reputation and did far better but because he wasn't a loudmouth he isn't remembered.
NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.
I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.
There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.
There are good things and there are bad things
Tomorrow in our office we have our usual charity dress down day.
The recipient this week is the family of a small child who the NHS allegedly refused to do a brain scan on despite having many fits and the parents being sure there was something very wrong.
In the end the scan was done and I large tumor was found. Too large for the NHS to handle they told the parents
Family now raising money to get operation performed in the States.
But they found money for transgender toilets
Choices are a bitch eh
Do you really believe transgender toilets have anything to do with refusing to operate on a child's brain tumour? Try to recover your common sense.
It's about priorities. All wrong. money comes from same pot.
It's the same argument Corbyn's used throughout his life about nuclear weapons. It's puerile.
I was listening to a radio program whilst driving over the peaks with a man from the USA who worked with nuclear weapons in his time. Essentially he put forward that the US and Russia with their armaments kept world peace through MAD. He made the point that the (far smaller) armaments of say France, UK and some others essentially added zip to the total security of the world.
Copeland update: Tories have been calm all campaign because they weren't favourites. Canvass returns look strong so now they feel they can win it. So they have something to lose rather nothing to lose. SOOOO, now...mild panic. Squeaky bum time they tell me!
UKIP not talking to me at all...sign of a loss.
Labour in gallows mood. They say Stoke is won unless they have completely got it wrong. They think Copeland is lost, but they feel better than they did earlier, because of the beer, so they may sneak a victory!. That's all sentimental, mind.
DYOR
The Tories have been the bookies' favourites to win Copeland for pretty much the whole campaign.
Indeed, they have, but as people on here say, that is what the betters think, not the parties. But Tories never felt like favourites. I think it has been Labour held for 60 years. You don't win back those constituencies when in govt. And our Harry Hayfield says Labour win.
I'm not sure I understand a concept of favourite that disregards bookies' odds and goes on feelings.
OK, the party didn't think they were favourites to win.
Copeland update: Tories have been calm all campaign because they weren't favourites. Canvass returns look strong so now they feel they can win it. So they have something to lose rather nothing to lose. SOOOO, now...mild panic. Squeaky bum time they tell me!
UKIP not talking to me at all...sign of a loss.
Labour in gallows mood. They say Stoke is won unless they have completely got it wrong. They think Copeland is lost, but they feel better than they did earlier, because of the beer, so they may sneak a victory!. That's all sentimental, mind.
DYOR
The Tories have been the bookies' favourites to win Copeland for pretty much the whole campaign.
Indeed, they have, but as people on here say, that is what the betters think, not the parties. But Tories never felt like favourites. I think it has been Labour held for 60 years. You don't win back those constituencies when in govt. And our Harry Hayfield says Labour win.
I'm not sure I understand a concept of favourite that disregards bookies' odds and goes on feelings.
OK, the party didn't think they were favourites to win.
That's a good attitude to have. Would be an incredible result even if so many factors point towards it happening.
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
Well, both sides are saying squeaky bum time. Only time will tell.
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
Arhhh Eoin, another Walter Mitty type and somebody who is never wrong about anything...like ever...and when I say never, I mean pretty much always.
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
Sounds like an completely predictable 9.15pm GOTV tweet to me.
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
Arhhh Eoin, another Walter Mitty type and somebody who is never wrong about anything...like ever...and when I say never, I mean pretty much always.
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:
Also worth noting that the old East Germany now has greater longevity than the USA, and that the USA is actually a nation where longevity has gone into reverse.
Hearing Lab think they are behind in Copeland and need a really busy last half hour.
Latter seems unlikely and Tory Gain if true
I imagine oop norf in a hurricane out in the country is not the sort of place that will get a rush at 9.30 pm. If Labour think they are behind currently, then the die is caste. As David Herdson said, labour have more supporters, but it will be down to GOTV
Just seen Alli's tackle. Far worse than anything Roy Keene did. In fact in 65 years watching football I cannot think of anything worse as it was so deliberate. Long suspension coming surely
Alf-Inge Håland says hello.
hts://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_st29mlQwU
Didn't he say in a bio that he deliberately set out to hurt him? He should have been arrested for that challenge.
Look at the deliberate swing of the arm. Think it only got a yellow, and the FA broke its own rules to ban him since he had been given an on field punishment of a yellow.
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
Perhaps you can then persuade Corbyn to go and we can have a functioning Labour Party again?
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
Labour do not have a good track record on previous 45 minute claims... Iraq, NHS, and now Copeland
Hearing Lab think they are behind in Copeland and need a really busy last half hour.
Latter seems unlikely and Tory Gain if true
I imagine oop norf in a hurricane out in the country is not the sort of place that will get a rush at 9.30 pm. If Labour think they are behind currently, then the die is caste. As David Herdson said, labour have more supporters, but it will be down to GOTV
Could just be the usual bit of motivating. Who knows?
Report from Whitehaven News reporter at the counting hall:
"The ballot boxes that arrived earlier were the postal votes. I only saw four being brought in.
Bearing in mind that in 2015 there were 12,218 postal votes in Copeland, of which 9,737 were returned, I'm not sure if the four boxes for the by-election were all of them or not, plus I don't know how many postal votes fit in a box."
Anybody know about the possible capacity of these postal vote boxes?
Maybe we need a spreadsheet.
Oh that's your solution to everything.
Correctly.
We all have our crutches, yours is Erskine May (and filthy neutrality)
Why would they put the postal votes into ballot boxes?
Where I live all the postal votes are put into sealed bags, then, after the ballot boxes arrive from the polling stations, the polling station votes have been verified to make sure the numbers of votes in the boxes match the number marked on the register.
Once this is done the sealed bags are opened and the count proper begins. No need to put the postal votes into boxes.
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
Well they are in a bad way nationally, they are probably just generally concerned and may not even believe themselves that locally it may not have an impact. But my money says otherwise, don't let me down labour.
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:
Note just how terrible City were against the other top teams.
How's it going for Arsenal in the CL? At least you also got an away goal ;-)
That was Man City, btw. Yes, we've done our usual thing in Europe - though at least I didn't waste £350 going to Munich. Winning the group did us no good whatsoever.
Still, at least we're not crashing out of Europe on a Thursday night!
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
Well they are in a bad way nationally, they are probably just generally concerned and may not even believe themselves that locally it may not have an impact. But my money says otherwise, don't let me down labour.
flip a coin, if you believe people on the ground there
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
Labour do not have a good track record on previous 45 minute claims... Iraq, NHS, and now Copeland
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
Well they are in a bad way nationally, they are probably just generally concerned and may not even believe themselves that locally it may not have an impact. But my money says otherwise, don't let me down labour.
flip of a coin, if you believe people on the ground there
NHS doesn't quite fit the rights world view, but it chugs along providing better value than most systems. One day they'll learn to accept a broader view.
I think the NHS is not great, but it is okay, and there is no ideal system of healthcare.
There are some truly great things in the NHS. Treatment avaliable to the poorest and the richest alike isn't something to take for granted. It's something to be proud of. And very British.
There are good things and there are bad things
Tomorrow in our office we have our usual charity dress down day.
The recipient this week is the family of a small child who the NHS allegedly refused to do a brain scan on despite having many fits and the parents being sure there was something very wrong.
In the end the scan was done and I large tumor was found. Too large for the NHS to handle they told the parents
Family now raising money to get operation performed in the States.
But they found money for transgender toilets
Choices are a bitch eh
Do you really believe transgender toilets have anything to do with refusing to operate on a child's brain tumour? Try to recover your common sense.
It's about priorities. All wrong. money comes from same pot.
It's the same argument Corbyn's used throughout his life about nuclear weapons. It's puerile.
I was listening to a radio program whilst driving over the peaks with a man from the USA who worked with nuclear weapons in his time. Essentially he put forward that the US and Russia with their armaments kept world peace through MAD. He made the point that the (far smaller) armaments of say France, UK and some others essentially added zip to the total security of the world.
Our arms provide assurance in case America goes rogue. Now might be considered more important than ever on that front.
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
Well they are in a bad way nationally, they are probably just generally concerned and may not even believe themselves that locally it may not have an impact. But my money says otherwise, don't let me down labour.
flip a coin, if you believe people on the ground there
Eh, local people are the worse people to as about local matters.
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:
Note just how terrible City were against the other top teams.
How's it going for Arsenal in the CL? At least you also got an away goal ;-)
That was Man City, btw. Yes, we've done our usual thing in Europe - though at least I didn't waste £350 going to Munich. Winning the group did us no good whatsoever.
Still, at least we're not crashing out of Europe on a Thursday night!
Yep. Schadenfreude all round! Such is the pleasure of football.
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:
Note just how terrible City were against the other top teams.
How's it going for Arsenal in the CL? At least you also got an away goal ;-)
That was Man City, btw. Yes, we've done our usual thing in Europe - though at least I didn't waste £350 going to Munich. Winning the group did us no good whatsoever.
Still, at least we're not crashing out of Europe on a Thursday night!
Yep. Schadenfreude all round! Such is the pleasure of football.
Hearing Lab think they are behind in Copeland and need a really busy last half hour.
Latter seems unlikely and Tory Gain if true
I imagine oop norf in a hurricane out in the country is not the sort of place that will get a rush at 9.30 pm. If Labour think they are behind currently, then the die is caste. As David Herdson said, labour have more supporters, but it will be down to GOTV
Could just be the usual bit of motivating. Who knows?
Our local Labour MP bombards voters on election day with text messages, right up to 10 pm. Works for her. The Brexit App emailed users about 10 times on election day
Copeland update: Tories have been calm all campaign because they weren't favourites. Canvass returns look strong so now they feel they can win it. So they have something to lose rather nothing to lose. SOOOO, now...mild panic. Squeaky bum time they tell me!
UKIP not talking to me at all...sign of a loss.
Labour in gallows mood. They say Stoke is won unless they have completely got it wrong. They think Copeland is lost, but they feel better than they did earlier, because of the beer, so they may sneak a victory!. That's all sentimental, mind.
DYOR
The Tories have been the bookies' favourites to win Copeland for pretty much the whole campaign.
It's hard to understand why, unless the Labour Party is collapsing, like the Liberals in the 1920's, as opposed to being just very unpopular. If the Tories win Copeland, it's the best result for a governing party since 1879.
On present polling Copeland was always going to be neck and neck between the Tories and Labour, in solid Leave territory Brexit being May's Falklands, Thatcher being the last PM to gain a seat in a by election in 1982
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:
Note just how terrible City were against the other top teams.
How's it going for Arsenal in the CL? At least you also got an away goal ;-)
That was Man City, btw. Yes, we've done our usual thing in Europe - though at least I didn't waste £350 going to Munich. Winning the group did us no good whatsoever.
Still, at least we're not crashing out of Europe on a Thursday night!
Yep. Schadenfreude all round! Such is the pleasure of football.
Éoin@LabourEoin 20m20 minutes ago More Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
Well they are in a bad way nationally, they are probably just generally concerned and may not even believe themselves that locally it may not have an impact. But my money says otherwise, don't let me down labour.
flip a coin, if you believe people on the ground there
Eh, local people are the worse people to as about local matters.
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:
Note just how terrible City were against the other top teams.
How's it going for Arsenal in the CL? At least you also got an away goal ;-)
That was Man City, btw. Yes, we've done our usual thing in Europe - though at least I didn't waste £350 going to Munich. Winning the group did us no good whatsoever.
Still, at least we're not crashing out of Europe on a Thursday night!
Yep. Schadenfreude all round! Such is the pleasure of football.
Do you want 5/2 for £20 Con bt UKIP in Stoke?
Is that a general offer ?
Not really, I offered it to him ages ago. What price do you think it should be then?
Good to see Trevor Phillips confronting student snowflakes on Channel 4 who think it's offensive to wear Mexican headwear.
I can't really decide what he's doing here - seems like an exercise in letting idiots show themselves up- Paris Lees, the keyboard warrior explaining his rape/death threats as 'banter'.
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:
Note just how terrible City were against the other top teams.
How's it going for Arsenal in the CL? At least you also got an away goal ;-)
That was Man City, btw. Yes, we've done our usual thing in Europe - though at least I didn't waste £350 going to Munich. Winning the group did us no good whatsoever.
Still, at least we're not crashing out of Europe on a Thursday night!
Yep. Schadenfreude all round! Such is the pleasure of football.
Do you want 5/2 for £20 Con bt UKIP in Stoke?
Is that a general offer ?
Not really, I offered it to him ages ago. What price do you think it should be then?
UKIP 4.3 / Tories 15.5 midpoints Betfair at the moment. Seeing as that is pretty much 100% of the market without Labour, just divide them ?
Good to see Trevor Phillips confronting student snowflakes on Channel 4 who think it's offensive to wear Mexican headwear.
Amazing just how illiberal some of these so called liberals are. Banning somberos and dressing as pochontas? Seems to me they'd ban anything.
Do they protest against FGM and forced marriages?
Possibly, but I'm convinced part of the reason for the sheer intensity on, shall we say, sometimes less significant causes, is because those have a greater chance of success, partly as the bar is set lower, partly because its easier of course, and partly because since they are less significant opponents are more likely to give in.
Serious issues are hard.
This is not to say that smaller issues cannot still be reasonable to protest, at times, but the proportion of energy focused on them is out of whack, even when other more serious topics are also brought up.
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:
Note just how terrible City were against the other top teams.
How's it going for Arsenal in the CL? At least you also got an away goal ;-)
That was Man City, btw. Yes, we've done our usual thing in Europe - though at least I didn't waste £350 going to Munich. Winning the group did us no good whatsoever.
Still, at least we're not crashing out of Europe on a Thursday night!
Yep. Schadenfreude all round! Such is the pleasure of football.
Do you want 5/2 for £20 Con bt UKIP in Stoke?
Is that a general offer ?
Not really, I offered it to him ages ago. What price do you think it should be then?
UKIP 4.3 / Tories 15.5 midpoints Betfair at the moment. Seeing as that is pretty much 100% of the market without Labour, just divide them ?
Which yields 3.6 ?
I make it 2/7 & 7/2 off that?
23.2/29.6=78.3% chance of UKIP 21.7% chance of Con
Here's an interesting question: Which of last season's top 8 had the best record among those teams?
Surely the Arse
Double over Leicester Beat City home drew away Two draws w Spurs Two draws w Liverpool Beat Utd home lost away Double over Everton Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
West Ham not Everton. Arsenal were top of the top 6. You can play around with it on Statto:
Note just how terrible City were against the other top teams.
How's it going for Arsenal in the CL? At least you also got an away goal ;-)
That was Man City, btw. Yes, we've done our usual thing in Europe - though at least I didn't waste £350 going to Munich. Winning the group did us no good whatsoever.
Still, at least we're not crashing out of Europe on a Thursday night!
Yep. Schadenfreude all round! Such is the pleasure of football.
Do you want 5/2 for £20 Con bt UKIP in Stoke?
Nah. I have spent my stake money for this month, but thanks for the offer.
Comments
"The ballot boxes that arrived earlier were the postal votes. I only saw four being brought in.
Bearing in mind that in 2015 there were 12,218 postal votes in Copeland, of which 9,737 were returned, I'm not sure if the four boxes for the by-election were all of them or not, plus I don't know how many postal votes fit in a box."
Anybody know about the possible capacity of these postal vote boxes?
Round 1 Le Pen 25% Fillon 21% Macron 20% Hamon 14% Melenchon 13%
Round 2 Macron 60% Le Pen 40% Fillon 57% Le Pen 43%
http://harris-interactive.fr/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2017/02/Rapport-Harris-Intentions-vote-election-presidentielle-France-TV.pdf
Correctly.
Remember that Ranieri built on the success of Pearson. Last season's run started against West Ham in March 15.
Ranieri is a great manager, but wherever he has gone it has been fairly shortlived success.
not against Cyclefree specifically here but all of you that have compared the dodgy geezers you know and engaged in one upmanship. Says a lot about pb all these people had the audacity to steal money.
Sorry dodgy geezers are those that will happily steal lives without blinking and I suspect seant knows more of them than you
Took over from a loudmouth with a huge reputation and did far better but because he wasn't a loudmouth he isn't remembered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_winning_managers
The fans continued to sing his song, right to the end, but football is a merciless business.
He won the Liverpool Echo poll a decade ago as our greatest ever manager/influence.
Latter seems unlikely and Tory Gain if true
I've laid the snot out of UKIP there.
Double over Leicester
Beat City home drew away
Two draws w Spurs
Two draws w Liverpool
Beat Utd home lost away
Double over Everton
Drew Soton home lost away
6 6 2?
More
Votes will be cast in the next 45 minutes that will decide the outcome of the Copeland by-election. It's that close. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Sounds desperate to me
We want another Spurs goal here, keep them playing on a Thursday
http://tinyurl.com/zwfzze4
Note just how terrible City were against the other top teams.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/02/when-evidence-says-no-but-doctors-say-yes/517368/?utm_source=atltw
Also worth noting that the old East Germany now has greater longevity than the USA, and that the USA is actually a nation where longevity has gone into reverse.
Where I live all the postal votes are put into sealed bags, then, after the ballot boxes arrive from the polling stations, the polling station votes have been verified to make sure the numbers of votes in the boxes match the number marked on the register.
Once this is done the sealed bags are opened and the count proper begins. No need to put the postal votes into boxes.
Still, at least we're not crashing out of Europe on a Thursday night!
until the whole of next season
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/live-stoke-on-trent-central-by-election-results/story-30153407-detail/story.html
The students were particularly painful to watch.
Lab 2.32
In Copeland at present (note that Lab have shortened this evening)
Lab 1.4
UKiP 4
in Stoke
Just noting close of poll Betfair for future reference.
Which yields 3.6 ?
Something has happened...
Serious issues are hard.
This is not to say that smaller issues cannot still be reasonable to protest, at times, but the proportion of energy focused on them is out of whack, even when other more serious topics are also brought up.
23.2/29.6=78.3% chance of UKIP 21.7% chance of Con
How does Betfair sort that market ?