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Gufffaw.williamglenn said:
And are the analogies any good?Casino_Royale said:Also many MPs seem to think they have cracking analogies for the invocation of A50, but they're almost all universally shite.
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Like I said, no. They're falling on an embarrassing silence.williamglenn said:
And are the analogies any good?Casino_Royale said:Also many MPs seem to think they have cracking analogies for the invocation of A50, but they're almost all universally shite.
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I am waiting to hear he has picked a fight with the Dalai Lama. I think otherwise he is running out of people to piss off.Scott_P said:0 -
Do any involve misunderstood Physics/Engineering?williamglenn said:
And are the analogies any good?Casino_Royale said:Also many MPs seem to think they have cracking analogies for the invocation of A50, but they're almost all universally shite.
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That at least would put him in China's good books.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am waiting to hear he has picked a fight with the Dalai Lama. I think otherwise he is running out of people to piss off.Scott_P said:0 -
Would you like me to start quoting Newton's First Law of motion?viewcode said:
They do balance on a radial line between the centre of the circle and the objectFysics_Teacher said:
No: orbital motion is accelerating so the forces don't balance.Philip_Thompson said:
The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.Scott_P said:
The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...Ishmael_Z said:Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
Gravity is the centripetal force. Centifugal forces are only seen if you are in the frame of reference of the rotating (or orbiting) object.
Having said all that you missed the obvious mistake: Sean was talking metaphorically so Physics dosen't really apply, but he got the names the wrong way round.
(I'm assuming the orbit is a circle. I'm buggered if i'm doing the math for an ellipse)0 -
Yeah well they should have thought of that before they backed the referendum bill. Berks.Casino_Royale said:You can really tell that barely a quarter of our MPs supported Brexit.
Speech after speech is being made in the Chamber, here, supporting A50 through very gritted teeth.0 -
Yep.Casino_Royale said:Also many MPs... but they're almost all universally shite.
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For crying out loud, you don't beg the press baron to fire the editor. You remind him you know where his kids sleep, you're thinking of reforming the libel laws and has he met your friend with the gun?FrancisUrquhart said:
Crickey.Scott_P said:twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/826553860923731969
Cameron went up against Putin? Brought a fop to a gun fight...
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Not saying I entirely agree with this but I thought it was an interesting idea.Richard_Tyndall said:
I am waiting to hear he has picked a fight with the Dalai Lama. I think otherwise he is running out of people to piss off.Scott_P said:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156399716951/outrage-dilution0 -
I think we have worked out by now that Dave wasn't exactly the best at "negotiating".viewcode said:
For crying out loud, you don't beg the press baron to fire the editor. You remind him you know where his kids sleep, you're thinking of reforming the libel laws and has he met your friend with the gun?FrancisUrquhart said:
Crickey.Scott_P said:twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/826553860923731969
Cameron went up against Putin? Brought a fop to a gun fight...0 -
Can't say I'd be any different, but it does tickle me that they each think they're about to deliver the Gettysburg address, but actually come across more Tommy Saxondale.glw said:0 -
YepFrancisUrquhart said:
I think we have worked out by now that Dave wasn't exactly the best at "negotiating".viewcode said:
For crying out loud, you don't beg the press baron to fire the editor. You remind him you know where his kids sleep, you're thinking of reforming the libel laws and has he met your friend with the gun?FrancisUrquhart said:
Crickey.Scott_P said:twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/826553860923731969
Cameron went up against Putin? Brought a fop to a gun fight...0 -
Well done to them.Casino_Royale said:You can really tell that barely a quarter of our MPs supported Brexit.
Speech after speech is being made in the Chamber, here, supporting A50 through very gritted teeth.
Good evening, everyone.0 -
You have been going on for weeks how Bayrou deciding not to stand would boost Macronrcs1000 said:
Is there any news which you'd regard as positive for Macron?HYUFD said:
A Bayrou candidacy would boost Fillon (obviously he is working on him) and could be the kiss of death for a Macron presidency this year and ensure a Fillon v Le Pen run offwilliamglenn said:
The French are more than capable of political intrigue and dirty tricks without any outside help.rcs1000 said:
I'd blame the EU, except I don't think they are that competentDromedary said:Will the Russians get the blame? Or the Americans? Someone will. The Russians, probably. Here is what Fillon is saying:
"To my knowledge, this has never happened before in the history of the Fifth Republic, never less than three months before a presidential election. This extremely powerful and highly professional operation has been launched with the sole goal of eliminating a candidate from the contest by undemocratic means."
"À ma connaissance, dans l'histoire de la Ve République, cette situation ne s'est jamais produite, jamais à moins de trois mois d'une élection présidentielle. Une opération d'une telle ampleur et aussi professionnelle n'a été montée que pour essayer d'éliminer un candidat autrement que par la voie démocratique."
C'mon, François, point the finger at someone!
PS. There are some reports that Bayrou is getting closer to declaring his candidacy.0 -
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Well I think Newsnight are put quite an unbelievable spin on this...Cameron vs Dacre meant we voted Leave....the fact Dacre and Daily Mail have been anti-EU since the time of the dinosaurs means I doubt it meant bugger all.0
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Who'd have thunk it watching the news.HYUFD said:twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/826557283492585472
Keiran Pedley ✔ keiranpedley
Ipsos poll shows Americans back Trump ban by 48% to 41% http://ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=16379 …
Edit: Perhaps I am blind, but the numbers don't say that.
Edit2: Oh, they do, but what's the second column for?
Edit3 (on a roll): That's the Democrat column. Interestingly, independents also support it.0 -
My favourite physics joke was from Big Bang Theory where one of the characters was told his situation was like being "attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis"Fysics_Teacher said:
Would you like me to start quoting Newton's First Law of motion?viewcode said:
They do balance on a radial line between the centre of the circle and the objectFysics_Teacher said:
No: orbital motion is accelerating so the forces don't balance.Philip_Thompson said:
The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.Scott_P said:
The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...Ishmael_Z said:Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
Gravity is the centripetal force. Centifugal forces are only seen if you are in the frame of reference of the rotating (or orbiting) object.
Having said all that you missed the obvious mistake: Sean was talking metaphorically so Physics dosen't really apply, but he got the names the wrong way round.
(I'm assuming the orbit is a circle. I'm buggered if i'm doing the math for an ellipse)
Screwed.
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Democrats oppose it, yes, GOP and independent voters support itRobD said:
Who'd have thunk it watching the news.HYUFD said:twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/826557283492585472
Keiran Pedley ✔ keiranpedley
Ipsos poll shows Americans back Trump ban by 48% to 41% http://ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=16379 …
Edit: Perhaps I am blind, but the numbers don't say that.
Edit2: Oh, they do, but what's the second column for?
Edit3 (on a roll): That's the Democrat column. Interestingly, independents also support it.0 -
Troubling news for Theresa and her approach to Brexit http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/public-rejects-theresa-may-s-take-it-or-leave-it-threat-to-leave-the-eu-with-no-deal-a7555921.html0
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Right, but that just isn't an option. If there's no deal after two years, we are out.Goupillon said:Troubling news for Theresa and her approach to Brexit http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/public-rejects-theresa-may-s-take-it-or-leave-it-threat-to-leave-the-eu-with-no-deal-a7555921.html
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If it would make you feel better. "Ulysses" usually works for me.Fysics_Teacher said:
Would you like me to start quoting Newton's First Law of motion?viewcode said:
They do balance on a radial line between the centre of the circle and the objectFysics_Teacher said:
No: orbital motion is accelerating so the forces don't balance.Philip_Thompson said:
The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.Scott_P said:
The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...Ishmael_Z said:Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
Gravity is the centripetal force. Centifugal forces are only seen if you are in the frame of reference of the rotating (or orbiting) object.
Having said all that you missed the obvious mistake: Sean was talking metaphorically so Physics dosen't really apply, but he got the names the wrong way round.
(I'm assuming the orbit is a circle. I'm buggered if i'm doing the math for an ellipse)0 -
I am responding to @A View from Cumbria FPT.
My husband has lived all his life in Cumbria. He is no urban Nimby. He is a planning barrister and is heavily involved in the anti-pylons campaign. There is an alternative which would not involve the desecration of the Duddon Valley and which would still allow the plant to be built and electricity to be provided. There is an arguable case that the National Grid has not complied properly with the relevant planning guidelines. They have decided to put large pylons (far larger than normal ones) in this area precisely because it is only on the edge of the National Park and because it is a relatively unpopulated area so they think they can get away with it. The cost of extending the underground lines to cover this area is only 7% more than what is currently being proposed.
A beautiful, historic and literary area of our countryside should not be ruined forever for the sake of a false economy.0 -
The deal has to be given consent by the parliament so in practice the decision to leave with no deal, or have some kind of extension will need to be made before the 5 minutes to midnight summit meeting.RobD said:
Right, but that just isn't an option. If there's no deal after two years, we are out.Goupillon said:Troubling news for Theresa and her approach to Brexit http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/public-rejects-theresa-may-s-take-it-or-leave-it-threat-to-leave-the-eu-with-no-deal-a7555921.html
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Well Newsnight have turned a scoop into a silly hit job into the Mail, Cameron, Coulson, Dacre, and Leave.0
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Since Dacre spent years trying to get Dave sacked, it's hard to see what there is to complain about.Scott_P said:0 -
"I know only two tunes: one of them is 'Yankee Doodle', and the other one isn't."viewcode said:
If it would make you feel better. "Ulysses" usually works for me.Fysics_Teacher said:
Would you like me to start quoting Newton's First Law of motion?viewcode said:
They do balance on a radial line between the centre of the circle and the objectFysics_Teacher said:
No: orbital motion is accelerating so the forces don't balance.Philip_Thompson said:
The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.Scott_P said:
The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...Ishmael_Z said:Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
Gravity is the centripetal force. Centifugal forces are only seen if you are in the frame of reference of the rotating (or orbiting) object.
Having said all that you missed the obvious mistake: Sean was talking metaphorically so Physics dosen't really apply, but he got the names the wrong way round.
(I'm assuming the orbit is a circle. I'm buggered if i'm doing the math for an ellipse)0 -
That implies there is a good deal still on other, plenty of other polls have showed voters would prefer to walk away with no deal than accept a bad dealGoupillon said:Troubling news for Theresa and her approach to Brexit http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/public-rejects-theresa-may-s-take-it-or-leave-it-threat-to-leave-the-eu-with-no-deal-a7555921.html
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It is interesting again how out of touch the US media are. I watched CNN last night and at one point they had 6 panelists on, all against the ban.HYUFD said:twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/826557283492585472
Over the course of 2hrs, they had only 1 person on, a Harvard Law Professor, who said he didn't agree with the ban, but tried to caution all the other guests that it isn't mean all of the XO is unconstitutional and that the AG who resigned was wrong as something being bad policy doesn't mean it isn't your job to defend it.
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After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
Could Senate Democrats filibuster Trump's Supreme Court nominee indefinitely?
Republicans refused to vote on Garland for a year - so presumably Democrats could now do the same - and indeed for even longer.
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Perhaps the voters would like the option of keeping the status quo rather than having no satisfactory deal?HYUFD said:
That implies there is a good deal still on other, plenty of other polls have showed voters would prefer to walk away with no deal than accept a bad dealGoupillon said:Troubling news for Theresa and her approach to Brexit http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/public-rejects-theresa-may-s-take-it-or-leave-it-threat-to-leave-the-eu-with-no-deal-a7555921.html
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Has there not been some changes to the filibuster rules in the Senate recently?MikeL said:Could Senate Democrats filibuster Trump's Supreme Court nominee indefinitely?
Republicans refused to vote on Garland for a year - so presumably Democrats could now do the same - and indeed for even longer.0 -
Status quo isn't an option as the EU is already pressing ahead with ever closer union, and in all honesty status quo was never an option.Goupillon said:
Perhaps the voters would like the option of keeping the status quo rather than having no satisfactory deal?HYUFD said:
That implies there is a good deal still on other, plenty of other polls have showed voters would prefer to walk away with no deal than accept a bad dealGoupillon said:Troubling news for Theresa and her approach to Brexit http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/public-rejects-theresa-may-s-take-it-or-leave-it-threat-to-leave-the-eu-with-no-deal-a7555921.html
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What was stopping them selling it to a French or German company before Brexit?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
Quite an interesting article, and an interesting if provocative headline, but the two are completely unrelated. Have they mixed up the article with another?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
They weren't running round desperate to do a deal with someone who's made it clear he wants America to be the only beneficiary of any deals.Fysics_Teacher said:
What was stopping them selling it to a French or German company before Brexit?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
Hasn't May herself said she'd walk away from a bad US deal?Danny565 said:
They weren't running round desperate to do a deal with someone who's made it clear he wants America to be be in sole control of any deals.Fysics_Teacher said:
What was stopping them selling it to a French or German company before Brexit?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
But she obviously doesn't mean that, or else she wouldn't still be saying she wanted a trade deal even after Trump has made clear any deal would be bad for Britain.RobD said:
Hasn't May herself said she'd walk away from a bad US deal?Danny565 said:
They weren't running round desperate to do a deal with someone who's made it clear he wants America to be be in sole control of any deals.Fysics_Teacher said:
What was stopping them selling it to a French or German company before Brexit?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
Has she?RobD said:
Hasn't May herself said she'd walk away from a bad US deal?Danny565 said:
They weren't running round desperate to do a deal with someone who's made it clear he wants America to be be in sole control of any deals.Fysics_Teacher said:
What was stopping them selling it to a French or German company before Brexit?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
Yeah that was a question! I thought other commenters on here had said something along those lines.Barnesian said:
Has she?RobD said:
Hasn't May herself said she'd walk away from a bad US deal?Danny565 said:
They weren't running round desperate to do a deal with someone who's made it clear he wants America to be be in sole control of any deals.Fysics_Teacher said:
What was stopping them selling it to a French or German company before Brexit?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
I listened out for that when May meet Trump. I didn't hear say that she would walk away from a bad deal with the U.S.. She did say that about a deal with the EU. The U.K.NEEDS a deal with the EU. It doesn't with the U.S.RobD said:
Hasn't May herself said she'd walk away from a bad US deal?Danny565 said:
They weren't running round desperate to do a deal with someone who's made it clear he wants America to be be in sole control of any deals.Fysics_Teacher said:
What was stopping them selling it to a French or German company before Brexit?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
Yeah, I think that's a reasonable assessment.FF43 said:
I listened out for that when May meet Trump. I didn't hear say that she would walk away from a bad deal with the U.S.. She did say that about a deal with the EU. The U.K.NEEDS a deal with the EU. It doesn't with the U.S.RobD said:
Hasn't May herself said she'd walk away from a bad US deal?Danny565 said:
They weren't running round desperate to do a deal with someone who's made it clear he wants America to be be in sole control of any deals.Fysics_Teacher said:
What was stopping them selling it to a French or German company before Brexit?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump
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Got a link to that YouGov poll?Goupillon said:Troubling news for Theresa and her approach to Brexit http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/public-rejects-theresa-may-s-take-it-or-leave-it-threat-to-leave-the-eu-with-no-deal-a7555921.html
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Why do you keep repeating this utter garbage?Danny565 said:...even after Trump has made clear any deal would be bad for Britain.
As I've said before, I don't personally think much will come of any US/UK deal*, but to say that 'Trump has made clear any deal would be bad for Britain' is, how shall I put this politely, fake news, or - as we used to say - a complete lie.
* Unless perhaps the EU plays silly games and tries to impose severe restrictions on our trade with the Single Market, in which case a deal with the US to substitute for some of the lost trade could be useful.0 -
Citation required.Danny565 said:
Trump has made clear any deal would be bad for Britain.RobD said:
Hasn't May herself said she'd walk away from a bad US deal?Danny565 said:
They weren't running round desperate to do a deal with someone who's made it clear he wants America to be be in sole control of any deals.Fysics_Teacher said:
What was stopping them selling it to a French or German company before Brexit?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
Emily Maitlis doing a terrible job a) hiding her anti-Trump views and b) holding the Trump spokesman to account by banging on about extremist Roman Emperor Trump, rather than pulling apart why the policy is flawed.
Oh FFS...I know why I don't watch Newsnight now, bloody Greek failed Finance Minister AGAIN. For a bloke who was only in power for a few days the amount of airtime he gets you would think he was the longest and most successful chancellor in living history.0 -
Even if that is the case, she can still try and walk away in the end.Danny565 said:
But she obviously doesn't mean that, or else she wouldn't still be saying she wanted a trade deal even after Trump has made clear any deal would be bad for Britain.RobD said:
Hasn't May herself said she'd walk away from a bad US deal?Danny565 said:
They weren't running round desperate to do a deal with someone who's made it clear he wants America to be be in sole control of any deals.Fysics_Teacher said:
What was stopping them selling it to a French or German company before Brexit?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
This is what I don't get about some right-wing commetators' logic. They say that her showing willingness to walk away from a "bad deal" with the EU is an essential bargaining tactic, so that they have an incentive to give a good deal. That may well be true; but why then do they not extend the same logic to a deal with the US, and instead cheer on May as she desperately runs after Trump and makes it clear to him that she'll take any deal on offer from him?FF43 said:
I listened out for that when May meet Trump. I didn't hear say that she would walk away from a bad deal with the U.S.. She did say that about a deal with the EU. The U.K.NEEDS a deal with the EU. It doesn't with the U.S.RobD said:
Hasn't May herself said she'd walk away from a bad US deal?Danny565 said:
They weren't running round desperate to do a deal with someone who's made it clear he wants America to be be in sole control of any deals.Fysics_Teacher said:
What was stopping them selling it to a French or German company before Brexit?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
Filmed in the style of a hostage video with ridiculous conspiratorial talk about the 'deep establishment'.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh FFS...I know why I don't watch Newsnight now, bloody Greek failed Finance Minister AGAIN.
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Europe's socialist leader has accused Donald Trump of using the UK as a Trojan horse to destroy the European Union.
Gianni Pittella, leader of the Party of European Socialists (PES), blasted Theresa May for making a "very big mistake" by getting close to the new US President, saying he is endangering worldwide democracy.
Speaking to Sky News, Mr Pittella pleaded for Britain "not to help this project, which would be a disaster for the UK itself".
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-is-using-uk-to-destroy-the-eu-says-socialist-leader-107499990 -
Yes, proof that Mrs May's tactics on this are working a treat.Scott_P said:Europe's socialist leader has accused Donald Trump of using the UK as a Trojan horse to destroy the European Union.
Gianni Pittella, leader of the Party of European Socialists (PES), blasted Theresa May for making a "very big mistake" by getting close to the new US President, saying he is endangering worldwide democracy.
Speaking to Sky News, Mr Pittella pleaded for Britain "not to help this project, which would be a disaster for the UK itself".
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-is-using-uk-to-destroy-the-eu-says-socialist-leader-10749999
If our EU friends don't want us to cosy up to Trump, they can make us a better offer.0 -
Even if you don't think Trump's inauguration speech made it clear enough, have you seen the MANY things he said about NAFTA and TPP through the campaign? He said time and time again they were too generous to the other parties in the deals, and that they played America for suckers. It's not really a stretch to infer from that that he would insist on terms far more slanted to America in any trade deals that he would sign.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why do you keep repeating this utter garbage?Danny565 said:...even after Trump has made clear any deal would be bad for Britain.
As I've said before, I don't personally think much will come of any US/UK deal*, but to say that 'Trump has made clear any deal would be bad for Britain' is, how shall I put this politely, fake news, or - as we used to say - a complete lie.0 -
He is "endangering worldwide democracy"?Scott_P said:Europe's socialist leader has accused Donald Trump of using the UK as a Trojan horse to destroy the European Union.
Gianni Pittella, leader of the Party of European Socialists (PES), blasted Theresa May for making a "very big mistake" by getting close to the new US President, saying he is endangering worldwide democracy.
Speaking to Sky News, Mr Pittella pleaded for Britain "not to help this project, which would be a disaster for the UK itself".
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-is-using-uk-to-destroy-the-eu-says-socialist-leader-10749999
Well, it's a view... titters0 -
I liked Keir starmers speech. Ken Clarke's was brilliant.0
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Given that no offer that meets May's red lines would prevent her cosying up to Trump there's a logic failure somewhere in your eulogy to her negotiating skills.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, proof that Mrs May's tactics on this are working a treat.Scott_P said:Europe's socialist leader has accused Donald Trump of using the UK as a Trojan horse to destroy the European Union.
Gianni Pittella, leader of the Party of European Socialists (PES), blasted Theresa May for making a "very big mistake" by getting close to the new US President, saying he is endangering worldwide democracy.
Speaking to Sky News, Mr Pittella pleaded for Britain "not to help this project, which would be a disaster for the UK itself".
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-is-using-uk-to-destroy-the-eu-says-socialist-leader-10749999
If our EU friends don't want us to cosy up to Trump, they can make us a better offer.0 -
It might not be a stretch to infer it, but you weren't inferring it, you said that 'Trump has made clear any deal would be bad for Britain'. He hasn't, and I'm sure he would say it would be a great deal for Britain.Danny565 said:
Even if you don't think Trump's inauguration speech made it clear enough, have you seen the MANY things he said about NAFTA and TPP through the campaign? He said time and time again they were too generous to the other parties in the deals, and that they played America for suckers. It's not really a stretch to infer from that that he would insist on terms far more slanted to America in any trade deals that he would sign.
If it's not, then we don't sign it. This isn't complicated.0 -
Interesting to note that the EUers view of UK leaving and there being a £10bn blackhole is not to even consider that cut spending is a possible option.0
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Trump should come on a state visit. The Queen should give him a state banquet. She should sit him next to Prince Charles on one side and Laura Kuenssberg on the other. Other invitees: chair of the Refugee Council, Mo Farrah, Sadiq Khan, Bonnie Greer, Gary Lineker, Prof Brian Cox, Malala Yousafzai and Stephen Hawking.
If he lasted past the soup course, I'd be amazed.-1 -
Why not. I complimented both of them on this forum 'live' during the debate, even though I do not agree with them. It is that kind of integrity that is sorely missing in the HOC and HOLScott_P said:
Read Matthew Parris in The Times tomorrow*Jonathan said:I liked Keir starmers speech. Ken Clarke's was brilliant.
*Brexiteers, don't read it. You won't like it.0 -
Would anybody last past the soup course with that kind of line up? Sounds like a dinner party from hell to me as those you most want to hear will get drowned by some right old big mouths. Mo ain't getting a word in edge ways in that company.MrsB said:Trump should come on a state visit. The Queen should give him a state banquet. She should sit him next to Prince Charles on one side and Laura Kuenssberg on the other. Other invitees: chair of the Refugee Council, Mo Farrah, Sadiq Khan, Bonnie Greer, Gary Lineker, Prof Brian Cox, Malala Yousafzai and Stephen Hawking.
If he lasted past the soup course, I'd be amazed.0 -
Tell that to MerkelFrancisUrquhart said:Interesting to note that the EUers view of UK leaving and there being a £10bn blackhole is not to even consider that cut spending is a possible option.
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There will be a deal with the EU. It won't be a good deal or probably even a really bad deal. It will the deal that is achievable in the circumstances, which aren't to our advantage.Danny565 said:
This is what I don't get about some right-wing commetators' logic. They say that her showing willingness to walk away from a "bad deal" with the EU is an essential bargaining tactic, so that they have an incentive to give a good deal. That may well be true; but why then do they not extend the same logic to a deal with the US, and instead cheer on May as she desperately runs after Trump and makes it clear to him that she'll take any deal on offer from him?FF43 said:
I listened out for that when May meet Trump. I didn't hear say that she would walk away from a bad deal with the U.S.. She did say that about a deal with the EU. The U.K.NEEDS a deal with the EU. It doesn't with the U.S.RobD said:
Hasn't May herself said she'd walk away from a bad US deal?Danny565 said:
They weren't running round desperate to do a deal with someone who's made it clear he wants America to be be in sole control of any deals.Fysics_Teacher said:
What was stopping them selling it to a French or German company before Brexit?Danny565 said:After Brexit, the Tories can sell the NHS to Donald Trump
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/after-brexit-tories-can-sell-nhs-donald-trump0 -
This seems to me like a very naive view, in light of May's obvious desperation and neediness in Washington last week.Richard_Nabavi said:
If it's not, then we don't sign it. This isn't complicated.
Again, if she really wasn't willing to sign ANY deal, no matter how bad, with the US, then she would've already cut the topic off altogether after Trump's "America first" talk.0 -
Elizabeth Warren says that Tillerson is superb at diplomacy, and was excellent at advancing the interests of Exxon whilst in charge 0
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The status quo now being full withdrawal from the EU given they have just voted for itGoupillon said:
Perhaps the voters would like the option of keeping the status quo rather than having no satisfactory deal?HYUFD said:
That implies there is a good deal still on other, plenty of other polls have showed voters would prefer to walk away with no deal than accept a bad dealGoupillon said:Troubling news for Theresa and her approach to Brexit http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/public-rejects-theresa-may-s-take-it-or-leave-it-threat-to-leave-the-eu-with-no-deal-a7555921.html
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Though Fox has a rather different takeFrancisUrquhart said:
It is interesting again how out of touch the US media are. I watched CNN last night and at one point they had 6 panelists on, all against the ban.HYUFD said:twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/826557283492585472
Over the course of 2hrs, they had only 1 person on, a Harvard Law Professor, who said he didn't agree with the ban, but tried to caution all the other guests that it isn't mean all of the XO is unconstitutional and that the AG who resigned was wrong as something being bad policy doesn't mean it isn't your job to defend it.0 -
Boom-tish!Fysics_Teacher said:
"I know only two tunes: one of them is 'Yankee Doodle', and the other one isn't."viewcode said:
If it would make you feel better. "Ulysses" usually works for me.Fysics_Teacher said:
Would you like me to start quoting Newton's First Law of motion?viewcode said:
They do balance on a radial line between the centre of the circle and the objectFysics_Teacher said:
No: orbital motion is accelerating so the forces don't balance.Philip_Thompson said:
The forces only exactly balance if the object is traveling in an orbit. If the object escapes it's orbit then it is because the forces didn't exactly balance which is possible.Scott_P said:
The forces must EXACTLY balance, hence the gag...Ishmael_Z said:Both centripetal and centrifugal force are actual things in Newtonian physics. I don't expect you or Scott actually to know anything as difficult as that, but surely you can google this stuff before making prats of yourselves?
Undergraduate degree #1 was engineering, so I think I some idea. Chance of an apology?
Gravity is the centripetal force. Centifugal forces are only seen if you are in the frame of reference of the rotating (or orbiting) object.
Having said all that you missed the obvious mistake: Sean was talking metaphorically so Physics dosen't really apply, but he got the names the wrong way round.
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Thankfully HM is above such petty things.MrsB said:Trump should come on a state visit. The Queen should give him a state banquet. She should sit him next to Prince Charles on one side and Laura Kuenssberg on the other. Other invitees: chair of the Refugee Council, Mo Farrah, Sadiq Khan, Bonnie Greer, Gary Lineker, Prof Brian Cox, Malala Yousafzai and Stephen Hawking.
If he lasted past the soup course, I'd be amazed.0 -
It's a very reasonable view. Fake news, purging dissent, being Russia's useful idiot. All these things are bad for democracyRobD said:
He is "endangering worldwide democracy"?Scott_P said:Europe's socialist leader has accused Donald Trump of using the UK as a Trojan horse to destroy the European Union.
Gianni Pittella, leader of the Party of European Socialists (PES), blasted Theresa May for making a "very big mistake" by getting close to the new US President, saying he is endangering worldwide democracy.
Speaking to Sky News, Mr Pittella pleaded for Britain "not to help this project, which would be a disaster for the UK itself".
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-is-using-uk-to-destroy-the-eu-says-socialist-leader-10749999
Well, it's a view... titters0 -
As was discussed on the paper review tonight Theresa May's popularity is with the Republicans and that is the importance of the relationship.williamglenn said:
Given that no offer that meets May's red lines would prevent her cosying up to Trump there's a logic failure somewhere in your eulogy to her negotiating skills.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, proof that Mrs May's tactics on this are working a treat.Scott_P said:Europe's socialist leader has accused Donald Trump of using the UK as a Trojan horse to destroy the European Union.
Gianni Pittella, leader of the Party of European Socialists (PES), blasted Theresa May for making a "very big mistake" by getting close to the new US President, saying he is endangering worldwide democracy.
Speaking to Sky News, Mr Pittella pleaded for Britain "not to help this project, which would be a disaster for the UK itself".
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-is-using-uk-to-destroy-the-eu-says-socialist-leader-10749999
If our EU friends don't want us to cosy up to Trump, they can make us a better offer.0 -
The Trump spokesman is Sebastian Gorka, Deputy Assistant to the President and born and raised in London.FrancisUrquhart said:Emily Maitlis doing a terrible job a) hiding her anti-Trump views and b) holding the Trump spokesman to account by banging on about extremist Roman Emperor Trump, rather than pulling apart why the policy is flawed.
Oh FFS...I know why I don't watch Newsnight now, bloody Greek failed Finance Minister AGAIN. For a bloke who was only in power for a few days the amount of airtime he gets you would think he was the longest and most successful chancellor in living history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Gorka
Varoufakis actually had some interesting things to say on a universal basic income and automation0 -
It appears he knows just what it is like to be detained by officials at the airport even thought you have the right visas...HYUFD said:
The Trump spokesman is Sebastian Gorka, Deputy Assistant to the President and born and raised in London.FrancisUrquhart said:Emily Maitlis doing a terrible job a) hiding her anti-Trump views and b) holding the Trump spokesman to account by banging on about extremist Roman Emperor Trump, rather than pulling apart why the policy is flawed.
Oh FFS...I know why I don't watch Newsnight now, bloody Greek failed Finance Minister AGAIN. For a bloke who was only in power for a few days the amount of airtime he gets you would think he was the longest and most successful chancellor in living history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Gorka
Varoufakis actually had some interesting things to say on a universal basic income and automation
Gorka was detained January 31, 2016 at the Ronald Reagan Airport in Washington D.C. for attempting to board a plane with a 9mm handgun in his luggage.0 -
She clear wants to get a good deal but as she made clear to GOP congressman in that speech she will only sign a deal which benefits both sides, the UK already has a trade surplus with the US we do not need a deal with them that muchDanny565 said:
This seems to me like a very naive view, in light of May's obvious desperation and neediness in Washington last week.Richard_Nabavi said:
If it's not, then we don't sign it. This isn't complicated.
Again, if she really wasn't willing to sign ANY deal, no matter how bad, with the US, then she would've already cut the topic off altogether after Trump's "America first" talk.0 -
The EU has a choice: does it turn its back on the UK, and suffer all the attendant damage to its own economies, or does it try to come up with some kind of free trade agreement which minimises the damage? Economic logic pushes them to the latter course, but there are significant political forces which will push them (or some of them) towards the former.williamglenn said:Given that no offer that meets May's red lines would prevent her cosying up to Trump there's a logic failure somewhere in your eulogy to her negotiating skills.
The PM's task is to push them towards some fudge which they can present as respecting the 'four freedoms' and not allowing us to 'cherry-pick', whilst in reality doing as much of the opposite as possible. Since this is very much in their own interests, that is not an economic argument, it's a political one. She is giving the grown-ups amongst them an argument they can use on our behalf: that, if they shun us, we will be forced to cosy up to the US, setting up an American Trojan Horse on the very borders of the EU.
Will it work? Dunno. There's a significant risk that it won't, that the EU will shoot itself (and us) in the foot because of excessive ideological purity. That indeed was my principal reason for voting Remain. But, in Mrs May's shoes, I'd be trying to run the same wheeze - a bit of stick to make the carrot more palatable.0 -
She is extremely exposed to staying in Trump's good books now...Big_G_NorthWales said:
As was discussed on the paper review tonight Theresa May's popularity is with the Republicans and that is the importance of the relationship.williamglenn said:
Given that no offer that meets May's red lines would prevent her cosying up to Trump there's a logic failure somewhere in your eulogy to her negotiating skills.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, proof that Mrs May's tactics on this are working a treat.Scott_P said:Europe's socialist leader has accused Donald Trump of using the UK as a Trojan horse to destroy the European Union.
Gianni Pittella, leader of the Party of European Socialists (PES), blasted Theresa May for making a "very big mistake" by getting close to the new US President, saying he is endangering worldwide democracy.
Speaking to Sky News, Mr Pittella pleaded for Britain "not to help this project, which would be a disaster for the UK itself".
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-is-using-uk-to-destroy-the-eu-says-socialist-leader-10749999
If our EU friends don't want us to cosy up to Trump, they can make us a better offer.
I could have said, "Theresa, drop to your knees," she would have dropped to her knees. She was begging me for a trade deal.
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Which he owned up toFrancisUrquhart said:
It appears he knows just what it is like to be detained by officials at the airport...HYUFD said:
The Trump spokesman is Sebastian Gorka, Deputy Assistant to the President and born and raised in London.FrancisUrquhart said:Emily Maitlis doing a terrible job a) hiding her anti-Trump views and b) holding the Trump spokesman to account by banging on about extremist Roman Emperor Trump, rather than pulling apart why the policy is flawed.
Oh FFS...I know why I don't watch Newsnight now, bloody Greek failed Finance Minister AGAIN. For a bloke who was only in power for a few days the amount of airtime he gets you would think he was the longest and most successful chancellor in living history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Gorka
Varoufakis actually had some interesting things to say on a universal basic income and automation
Gorka was detained January 31, 2016 at the Ronald Reagan Airport in Washington D.C. for attempting to board a plane with a 9mm handgun in his luggage.0 -
I am joking.HYUFD said:
Which he owned up toFrancisUrquhart said:
It appears he knows just what it is like to be detained by officials at the airport...HYUFD said:
The Trump spokesman is Sebastian Gorka, Deputy Assistant to the President and born and raised in London.FrancisUrquhart said:Emily Maitlis doing a terrible job a) hiding her anti-Trump views and b) holding the Trump spokesman to account by banging on about extremist Roman Emperor Trump, rather than pulling apart why the policy is flawed.
Oh FFS...I know why I don't watch Newsnight now, bloody Greek failed Finance Minister AGAIN. For a bloke who was only in power for a few days the amount of airtime he gets you would think he was the longest and most successful chancellor in living history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Gorka
Varoufakis actually had some interesting things to say on a universal basic income and automation
Gorka was detained January 31, 2016 at the Ronald Reagan Airport in Washington D.C. for attempting to board a plane with a 9mm handgun in his luggage.0 -
Was it a spherical gun?FrancisUrquhart said:
I am joking.HYUFD said:
Which he owned up toFrancisUrquhart said:
It appears he knows just what it is like to be detained by officials at the airport...HYUFD said:
The Trump spokesman is Sebastian Gorka, Deputy Assistant to the President and born and raised in London.FrancisUrquhart said:Emily Maitlis doing a terrible job a) hiding her anti-Trump views and b) holding the Trump spokesman to account by banging on about extremist Roman Emperor Trump, rather than pulling apart why the policy is flawed.
Oh FFS...I know why I don't watch Newsnight now, bloody Greek failed Finance Minister AGAIN. For a bloke who was only in power for a few days the amount of airtime he gets you would think he was the longest and most successful chancellor in living history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Gorka
Varoufakis actually had some interesting things to say on a universal basic income and automation
Gorka was detained January 31, 2016 at the Ronald Reagan Airport in Washington D.C. for attempting to board a plane with a 9mm handgun in his luggage.
Oh.. we've moved on
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Spin from someone who wants to remain and does not like a close relationship with the USwilliamglenn said:
She is extremely exposed to staying in Trump's good books now...Big_G_NorthWales said:
As was discussed on the paper review tonight Theresa May's popularity is with the Republicans and that is the importance of the relationship.williamglenn said:
Given that no offer that meets May's red lines would prevent her cosying up to Trump there's a logic failure somewhere in your eulogy to her negotiating skills.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, proof that Mrs May's tactics on this are working a treat.Scott_P said:Europe's socialist leader has accused Donald Trump of using the UK as a Trojan horse to destroy the European Union.
Gianni Pittella, leader of the Party of European Socialists (PES), blasted Theresa May for making a "very big mistake" by getting close to the new US President, saying he is endangering worldwide democracy.
Speaking to Sky News, Mr Pittella pleaded for Britain "not to help this project, which would be a disaster for the UK itself".
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-is-using-uk-to-destroy-the-eu-says-socialist-leader-10749999
If our EU friends don't want us to cosy up to Trump, they can make us a better offer.
I could have said, "Theresa, drop to your knees," she would have dropped to her knees. She was begging me for a trade deal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_XCy-vYMJs0 -
Oh dear. I've been out, seen La La Land, had dinner and cocktails, and you're still doom mongering about hypothetical trade deals. Even Southam's eeyore routine is preferable...Danny565 said:
Even if you don't think Trump's inauguration speech made it clear enough, have you seen the MANY things he said about NAFTA and TPP through the campaign? He said time and time again they were too generous to the other parties in the deals, and that they played America for suckers. It's not really a stretch to infer from that that he would insist on terms far more slanted to America in any trade deals that he would sign.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why do you keep repeating this utter garbage?Danny565 said:...even after Trump has made clear any deal would be bad for Britain.
As I've said before, I don't personally think much will come of any US/UK deal*, but to say that 'Trump has made clear any deal would be bad for Britain' is, how shall I put this politely, fake news, or - as we used to say - a complete lie.0 -
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I want a close relationship with the US but not a subservient one.Big_G_NorthWales said:Spin from someone who wants to remain and does not like a close relationship with the US
Have you ever noticed that for all the talk of being a bridge between the US and Europe, when a British PM is in Washington they never mention the rest of our continent?0 -
Didn't May mention Europe in her speech?williamglenn said:
I want a close relationship with the US but not a subservient one.Big_G_NorthWales said:Spin from someone who wants to remain and does not like a close relationship with the US
Have you ever noticed that for all the talk of being a bridge between the US and Europe, when a British PM is in Washington they never mention the rest of our continent?0 -
Arguably Trump needs a trade deal with the UK more than the UK needs one with the US given the US has a deficit with the UK and the UK a surplus with the US, however May's sweetening of Trump ensures that he will not slam tariffs on UK goods as he will on Mexican, Chinese and maybe German goods if no deal is reached. However if no deal is reached with the EU and they slam tariffs on UK goods the UK will slam tariffs on EU goods and of course we do have a deficit with the EU unlike with the USwilliamglenn said:
She is extremely exposed to staying in Trump's good books now...Big_G_NorthWales said:
As was discussed on the paper review tonight Theresa May's popularity is with the Republicans and that is the importance of the relationship.williamglenn said:
Given that no offer that meets May's red lines would prevent her cosying up to Trump there's a logic failure somewhere in your eulogy to her negotiating skills.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, proof that Mrs May's tactics on this are working a treat.Scott_P said:Europe's socialist leader has accused Donald Trump of using the UK as a Trojan horse to destroy the European Union.
Gianni Pittella, leader of the Party of European Socialists (PES), blasted Theresa May for making a "very big mistake" by getting close to the new US President, saying he is endangering worldwide democracy.
Speaking to Sky News, Mr Pittella pleaded for Britain "not to help this project, which would be a disaster for the UK itself".
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-is-using-uk-to-destroy-the-eu-says-socialist-leader-10749999
If our EU friends don't want us to cosy up to Trump, they can make us a better offer.
I could have said, "Theresa, drop to your knees," she would have dropped to her knees. She was begging me for a trade deal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_XCy-vYMJs0 -
Don't spoil my point with facts.RobD said:
Didn't May mention Europe in her speech?williamglenn said:
I want a close relationship with the US but not a subservient one.Big_G_NorthWales said:Spin from someone who wants to remain and does not like a close relationship with the US
Have you ever noticed that for all the talk of being a bridge between the US and Europe, when a British PM is in Washington they never mention the rest of our continent? 0 -
I can't see Jezza having any problems during a month long GE campaign...the press have nothing to go at.CarlottaVance said:0 -
*cough*Bollocks*cough*HYUFD said:May's sweetening of Trump ensures that he will not slam tariffs on UK goods as he will on Mexican, Chinese and maybe German goods if no deal is reached.
He has already complained that Europeans don't buy as many Chevy's as American's buy BMWs
Now, we know the reason for that, but by his logic he will only want us to export Range Rovers if we import an equal number of Suburbans0 -
Why do the SNP think Scotland, and especially the Scottish Government is an equal partner?0
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Amazing how many crap trade deals anti-Brexit anti-Mayites can come up with.Scott_P said:
*cough*Bollocks*cough*HYUFD said:May's sweetening of Trump ensures that he will not slam tariffs on UK goods as he will on Mexican, Chinese and maybe German goods if no deal is reached.
He has already complained that Europeans don't buy as many Chevy's as American's buy BMWs
Now, we know the reason for that, but by his logic he will only want us to export Range Rovers if we import an equal number of Suburbans
Unsurprisingly, no such deals will be signed.0 -
Yesterday Jezza accused Thatcher of supporting apartheid - which people from Mandela to FW DeKlerk have rubbished - great Thatcher quote on asked about the difference between the IRA and the ANC: The IRA have the vote. The ANC do not.FrancisUrquhart said:
I can't see Jezza having any problems during a month long GE campaign...the press have nothing to go at.CarlottaVance said:0 -
The bloke they had on Newsnight from Team Trump was far more competent that than idiot.Scott_P said:This is pretty funny
https://twitter.com/nolandmccaskill/status/8265389776876625960
