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  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Wow, is this speechwriter familiar with Lib Dem expectation management?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    tyson said:

    This great Trump movement, the greatest in history was outvoted by 3 million votes by Hillary...so it is at best the second biggest movement....

    Trump won TEN more states than Hillary did.
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Merkel and the EU about to realise they are going to have to pay billions more on defence

    Merkel's already said that, while they're increasing their defence spending a tad, 2% is years away.
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    glw said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trashing Obama's legacy - smart.

    Trashing is kind, taking a dump on is more like it.
    It's payback - and not much payback - for what Obama did to Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents Association dinner, when he ridiculed him mercilessly in public for several minutes.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    rcs1000 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Merkel and the EU about to realise they are going to have to pay billions more on defence

    That cuts both ways, of course. The EU will spend more, but that equally means that they will be wielding more power.

    I think it was more in our interests when the EU didn't spend any money on weapons, and the US was the world's policeman.
    Maybe but where is the money coming from
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    Wow, powerful rhetoric from the new president. Lots of big promises he'll have to live up to.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Blue_rog said:

    'Our vital bodily fluids have been squandered and wasted abroad'

    Eww, was Trump refering to our very own SeanT…
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    SandyRentool said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).

    I'll show my age and say LBJ!
    Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.
    The moon landing. Kennedy had the vision but it was delivered under LBJ.

    Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama.
    My mum always tells me that Nixon was the worst. I think the fact his legacy is Watergate kind of speaks for itself....
    Actually Nixon was quite a decent president - arms-control agreement with the Soviet Union, Nixon to China, disengaging from Vietnam, some progress on civil rights (de-segregation of schools, for example).

    Of course he was a crook, a liar and a fraud, as well. Nobody's perfect!
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Alistair said:

    The idea that massive deficit swelling Reagan is best President is interesting.

    Best president was Truman by a mile. The last one who understood the concept of public service.
    Ford was massively under-rated too.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Eradicate Islamic terrorism.

    The Guardian is going to love this.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    rcs1000 said:

    That cuts both ways, of course. The EU will spend more, but that equally means that they will be wielding more power.

    I think it was more in our interests when the EU didn't spend any money on weapons, and the US was the world's policeman.

    Pax Americana made the world safe for Brexit. It's not a safe choice anymore.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    His hair is standing up to the rain remarkably well. I wonder what hair product he uses?

    Anyway, just off to watch "There's Something About Mary".....
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    edited January 2017
    What an ignorant man and what an inappropriate speech .

    God help America!
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,860
    SeanT said:

    Nuke isis!

    God, I quite like some of this speech. Help.

    Not just ISIS. He said he would completely eradicate all muslim fundamental terrorism.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Merkel and the EU about to realise they are going to have to pay billions more on defence

    That cuts both ways, of course. The EU will spend more, but that equally means that they will be wielding more power.

    I think it was more in our interests when the EU didn't spend any money on weapons, and the US was the world's policeman.
    Maybe but where is the money coming from
    The EU (ex-us) is running a budget deficit of 1.6% of GDP, we're at 5% and the US is at 3.5%.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    williamglenn said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Brace yourselves ladies and gentlemen: https://twitter.com/POTUS

    @POTUS hasn't tweeted yet. :)
    It changed at the exact moment Trump took the oath, and Obama's account became @POTUS44. Very slick.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trashing Obama's legacy - smart.

    Trashing is kind, taking a dump on is more like it.
    It's payback - and not much payback - for what Obama did to Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents Association dinner, when he ridiculed him mercilessly in public for several minutes.
    Wasn't Trump the guy a part of the whole Birthirism thing? So I don't really blame Obama for doing that to him.
  • MikeSmithson
    MikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    MarqueeMark said:

    His hair is standing up to the rain remarkably well. I wonder what hair product he uses?

    Anyway, just off to watch "There's Something About Mary".....

    I often wonder whether his hair is helped by having golden showers

  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Mortimer said:

    Wow, is this speechwriter familiar with Lib Dem expectation management?

    His speech is much more expansive than I expected
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Reaganesque speech.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    SeanT said:

    He's mad, but there's a genius there, too

    The content is dismal, but the direct New York - almost non-oratorical style - is pretty effective.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Mortimer said:

    Wow, is this speechwriter familiar with Lib Dem expectation management?

    His speech is much more expansive than I expected
    Just dumped Obama - amazing
  • rural_voter
    rural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:


    In terms of culture I agree Obama's achievement in simply becoming the first black American POTUS was wholly laudable, admirable and astonishing. But that's where it ended....

    You're wrong. In 2008 the US was in the shit. They were still in Iraq and the economy was down the toilet. Osama was at large and millions of Americans had no healthcare.

    Millions still have no decent healthcare cover by the standards of 'socialised medcicine' (i.e., Canada and perhaps half of Europe where taxation pays and all residents are eligible.)

    BTW I think he's a jolly good speaker. I just wish I could agree with him on more than two things!

    a) IS is bad
    b) ~$1 trillion of public works is good; US infrastructure is definitely crumbling.
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    not_on_fire said:

    williamglenn said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Brace yourselves ladies and gentlemen: https://twitter.com/POTUS

    @POTUS hasn't tweeted yet. :)
    It changed at the exact moment Trump took the oath, and Obama's account became @POTUS44. Very slick.
    I'm sure the WH web site changed then too.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    About as far from JLK as it's possible to get which is why this audience is almost silent
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    From what it sounds like this speech by Trump will do the very opposite of what he's stated he wants to do - which is to unify America. It'll probably just reinforce the sense of division that's currently in America.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    Make America Great Again - bingo!
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    BTW what dystopian sci-fi film is this?
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    ooooooohhhhh Boy.... welcome to the new world.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Only heard bits of the speech, but no healing the wounds yet.

    Come on, Trump!
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    rural_voter said:

    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:


    In terms of culture I agree Obama's achievement in simply becoming the first black American POTUS was wholly laudable, admirable and astonishing. But that's where it ended....

    You're wrong. In 2008 the US was in the shit. They were still in Iraq and the economy was down the toilet. Osama was at large and millions of Americans had no healthcare.

    Millions still have no decent healthcare cover by the standards of 'socialised medcicine' (i.e., Canada and perhaps half of Europe where taxation pays and all residents are eligible.)

    BTW I think he's a jolly good speaker. I just wish I could agree with him on more than two things!

    a) IS is bad
    b) ~$1 trillion of public works is good; US infrastructure is definitely crumbling.
    He's a bloody awful speaker. He sounds drunk. Who are you comparing him with?
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    rural_voter said:

    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:


    In terms of culture I agree Obama's achievement in simply becoming the first black American POTUS was wholly laudable, admirable and astonishing. But that's where it ended....

    You're wrong. In 2008 the US was in the shit. They were still in Iraq and the economy was down the toilet. Osama was at large and millions of Americans had no healthcare.

    Millions still have no decent healthcare cover by the standards of 'socialised medcicine' (i.e., Canada and perhaps half of Europe where taxation pays and all residents are eligible.)

    BTW I think he's a jolly good speaker. I just wish I could agree with him on more than two things!

    a) IS is bad
    b) ~$1 trillion of public works is good; US infrastructure is definitely crumbling.
    Yes, the US desperately needs the infrastructure investment.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    SeanT said:

    That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.

    It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now :D

    Hilarious.
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    Roger said:

    About as far from JLK as it's possible to get which is why this audience is almost silent

    You're obviously not watching the same feed I am.
  • Carolus_Rex
    Carolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    edited January 2017
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trashing Obama's legacy - smart.

    Trashing is kind, taking a dump on is more like it.
    It's payback - and not much payback - for what Obama did to Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents Association dinner, when he ridiculed him mercilessly in public for several minutes.
    Wasn't Trump the guy a part of the whole Birthirism thing? So I don't really blame Obama for doing that to him.
    I believe it was the Clinton campaign that started that particular hare running.

    Edit: in 2008, of course.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    Jonathan said:

    BTW what dystopian sci-fi film is this?

    No....no sci fi film would be this stupid.....you need some credibility

  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Only heard bits of the speech, but no healing the wounds yet.

    Come on, Trump!

    No matter what that was a forceful patriotic speech
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    Jonathan said:

    BTW what dystopian sci-fi film is this?

    Some direct to video garbage.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    MikeSmithson said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    His hair is standing up to the rain remarkably well. I wonder what hair product he uses?

    Anyway, just off to watch "There's Something About Mary".....

    I often wonder whether his hair is helped by having golden showers

    Maybe it's Maybelline? :D
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,860
    I'm heading out to my shelter now.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    edited January 2017
    The_Apocalypse said:

    From what it sounds like this speech by Trump will do the very opposite of what he's stated he wants to do - which is to unify America.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/01/trump_to_hillary_i_dont_want_to_make_america_whole_again_i_want_to_make_america_great_again.html

    "Hillary cannot make America great. She's talking something yesterday, 'making America whole.' Whole. No, I want to make America great again. I want to make America great again."
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Where is Snake Plisken when you need him?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Only heard bits of the speech, but no healing the wounds yet.

    Come on, Trump!

    Please tell me you didn't bet on that, three specific words in a row on a speech is a massive buzzword no no.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.

    It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now :D

    Hilarious.
    Isn't Trump supposed to be a President for all Americans....that includes the evil liberal-lefties, the snowflakes, and all the millions who voted to Hillary 'lost big' Clinton?
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    RobD said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    His hair is standing up to the rain remarkably well. I wonder what hair product he uses?

    Anyway, just off to watch "There's Something About Mary".....

    I often wonder whether his hair is helped by having golden showers

    Maybe it's Maybelline? :D
    Is that what she's calling herself now?
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Tyson, it may have been Twain who said reality was stranger than fiction because fiction had to make sense.
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    Franklin Graham reading from my book! :smile:
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Carolus_Rex said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trashing Obama's legacy - smart.

    Trashing is kind, taking a dump on is more like it.
    It's payback - and not much payback - for what Obama did to Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents Association dinner, when he ridiculed him mercilessly in public for several minutes.
    Wasn't Trump the guy a part of the whole Birthirism thing? So I don't really blame Obama for doing that to him.
    I believe it was the Clinton campaign that started that particular hare running.

    Edit: in 2008, of course.
    The Clintons did start it, but Trump was a apart of it as well. It's pretty well documented.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    The_Apocalypse said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.

    It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now :D

    Hilarious.
    Isn't Trump supposed to be a President for all Americans....that includes the evil liberal-lefties, the snowflakes, and all the millions who voted to Hillary 'lost big' Clinton?
    Its great entertainment though - he continues to rip up the rules.

  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    williamglenn said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    From what it sounds like this speech by Trump will do the very opposite of what he's stated he wants to do - which is to unify America.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/01/trump_to_hillary_i_dont_want_to_make_america_whole_again_i_want_to_make_america_great_again.html

    "Hillary cannot make America great. She's talking something yesterday, 'making America whole.' Whole. No, I want to make America great again. I want to make America great again."
    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/donald-trump-tell-supporters-he-will-unify-the-country-858604611621
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Pulpstar, only a small stake.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    TGOHF said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.

    It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now :D

    Hilarious.
    Isn't Trump supposed to be a President for all Americans....that includes the evil liberal-lefties, the snowflakes, and all the millions who voted to Hillary 'lost big' Clinton?
    Its great entertainment though - he continues to rip up the rules.

    I'm not sure a man now in charge of enough nuclear missiles to blow up the entire planet should be judged on his ability to entertain
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    SouthamObserver said:

    That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.

    No that was Obama
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    MikeSmithson said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    His hair is standing up to the rain remarkably well. I wonder what hair product he uses?

    Anyway, just off to watch "There's Something About Mary".....

    I often wonder whether his hair is helped by having golden showers

    Golden Showers are rather pretty, Mike!

    http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000jcbmLKXNrOE/s/750/750/36999.jpg
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    Oof.
    SouthamObserver said:

    That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.

    I think we are all quite clear what the aims of a US-UK negotiation will be for the US. And it sure as hell isn't to give Tezza an easy next few years.
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Tim_B said:

    glw said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trashing Obama's legacy - smart.

    Trashing is kind, taking a dump on is more like it.
    It's payback - and not much payback - for what Obama did to Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents Association dinner, when he ridiculed him mercilessly in public for several minutes.
    Wasn't Trump the guy a part of the whole Birthirism thing? So I don't really blame Obama for doing that to him.
    I believe it was the Clinton campaign that started that particular hare running.

    Edit: in 2008, of course.
    The Clintons did start it, but Trump was a apart of it as well. It's pretty well documented.
    Yes he was. He eventually led it. Not his wisest decision, although it did get him national attention. Proves Wilde - the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    TGOHF said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.

    It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now :D

    Hilarious.
    Isn't Trump supposed to be a President for all Americans....that includes the evil liberal-lefties, the snowflakes, and all the millions who voted to Hillary 'lost big' Clinton?
    Its great entertainment though - he continues to rip up the rules.

    Sadly, being President of the United States of America is not an entertaining reality tv show that one can just turn off. The decisions that the leader of the free world makes will affect the entire world.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @bbcnickrobinson: So President Trump will eradicate Islamic terrorism, reverse globalisation & eliminate crime. That should keep him busy for week or two
  • JonathanD
    JonathanD Posts: 2,400
    SouthamObserver said:

    That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.

    No, no, we're going to be a global champion for Trade, Dan Hannan said it so it must be true.

    Anyway, this is what taking control and sovereignty means and we're going to get it good and hard.  
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    not_on_fire said:

    TGOHF said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.

    It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now :D

    Hilarious.
    Isn't Trump supposed to be a President for all Americans....that includes the evil liberal-lefties, the snowflakes, and all the millions who voted to Hillary 'lost big' Clinton?
    Its great entertainment though - he continues to rip up the rules.

    I'm not sure a man now in charge of enough nuclear missiles to blow up the entire planet should be judged on his ability to entertain
    Well you heard him - if the nukes fall it will be "America First"..
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/angelafritz/status/822492602113159169
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Scott_P said:

    @bbcnickrobinson: So President Trump will eradicate Islamic terrorism, reverse globalisation & eliminate crime. That should keep him busy for week or two

    bigly
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    SouthamObserver said:

    That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.

    Hasn't the incoming administration already been talking about doing a trade deal with the UK?
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    not_on_fire said:

    TGOHF said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.

    It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now :D

    Hilarious.
    Isn't Trump supposed to be a President for all Americans....that includes the evil liberal-lefties, the snowflakes, and all the millions who voted to Hillary 'lost big' Clinton?
    Its great entertainment though - he continues to rip up the rules.

    I'm not sure a man now in charge of enough nuclear missiles to blow up the entire planet should be judged on his ability to entertain
    The Rockettes will perform - any nuclear reference there?
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Trump could well kill conservatism in many different ways.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/angelafritz/status/822492602113159169

    By virtue of it being alphabetically first?
  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    Too much religion in this inauguration; how long can they keep asking various gods to intercede in favouring the USA.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Feels like a closing night. Bye Bye America. It was nice knowing ya!

    British GDP to exceed US GDP by 2020.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    WTF Dan?

    @DanielJHannan: If you've spent years railing against "neoliberalism" - well, let's see how you like a world without it. #Inauguration
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.

    No that was Obama
    Obama believed in global institutions and did his best to try and keep the EU together.....

    We'll see how this narrow minded, American first, works. But it doesn't bode well for any trade deal...
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    RobD said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.

    Hasn't the incoming administration already been talking about doing a trade deal with the UK?

    It has and it will be happy to do one whose terms it dictates.

  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    So to sum it up:

    "Release the hounds.."

  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    Those of a nervous disposition should look away now:

    "Here you go, Mister President - the nuclear codes."

  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Mortimer said:

    Reaganesque speech.

    In the sense of dementia?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    SouthamObserver said:

    RobD said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.

    Hasn't the incoming administration already been talking about doing a trade deal with the UK?

    It has and it will be happy to do one whose terms it dictates.

    So how can that be more anti-British than "back of the queue"?
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Wondering who has the nuclear codes right now.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/angelafritz/status/822492602113159169

    By virtue of it being alphabetically first?
    Trade deal section here:

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/trade-deals-working-all-americans

    For too long, trade deals have been negotiated by, and for, members of the Washington establishment. President Trump will ensure that on his watch, trade policies will be implemented by and for the people, and will put America first.

    By fighting for fair but tough trade deals, we can bring jobs back to America’s shores, increase wages, and support U.S. manufacturing.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    MikeSmithson said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    His hair is standing up to the rain remarkably well. I wonder what hair product he uses?

    Anyway, just off to watch "There's Something About Mary".....

    I often wonder whether his hair is helped by having golden showers

    Clearly not in the OGH repertoire .... :smile:
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    SouthamObserver said:

    Trump could well kill conservatism in many different ways.

    Apparently he's just like Regan though. Even though the way he loves Russia would have Regan spinning in his grave right now....

    @SeanT Obama is pretty popular in this country. Trump isn't.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SouthamObserver said:

    RobD said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.

    Hasn't the incoming administration already been talking about doing a trade deal with the UK?

    It has and it will be happy to do one whose terms it dictates.

    No deal is better than a bad deal.

    As Bretiteers are so keen to say!
  • rural_voter
    rural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Roger said:

    rural_voter said:

    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:


    In terms of culture I agree Obama's achievement in simply becoming the first black American POTUS was wholly laudable, admirable and astonishing. But that's where it ended....

    You're wrong. In 2008 the US was in the shit. They were still in Iraq and the economy was down the toilet. Osama was at large and millions of Americans had no healthcare.

    Millions still have no decent healthcare cover by the standards of 'socialised medcicine' (i.e., Canada and perhaps half of Europe where taxation pays and all residents are eligible.)

    BTW I think he's a jolly good speaker. I just wish I could agree with him on more than two things!

    a) IS is bad
    b) ~$1 trillion of public works is good; US infrastructure is definitely crumbling.
    He's a bloody awful speaker. He sounds drunk. Who are you comparing him with?
    Could you have been listening at half speed?! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/a-trump-speech-at-half-speed-makes-him-sound-really-drunk_us_575037fae4b0ed593f135bff
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    TOPPING said:

    Oof.

    SouthamObserver said:

    That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.

    I think we are all quite clear what the aims of a US-UK negotiation will be for the US. And it sure as hell isn't to give Tezza an easy next few years.

    This is the trade deal, Mrs May. You will open up your markets to us, we will not open up our markets to you. Sign here.

  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Apparently he's just like Regan though. Even though the way he loves Russia would have Regan spinning in his grave right now....

    That's simply wrong. Reagan hated communism but he was quite affectionate towards Russia and the Russian people. He even used to collect their jokes.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    BBC seem awfully surprised at what the new president had to say!
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    JackW said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    His hair is standing up to the rain remarkably well. I wonder what hair product he uses?

    Anyway, just off to watch "There's Something About Mary".....

    I often wonder whether his hair is helped by having golden showers

    Clearly not in the OGH repertoire .... :smile:
    Those of a mischievous nature might suggest it has great hair-restorative properties....

    Great to see you back, JackW!
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    SeanT said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Only heard bits of the speech, but no healing the wounds yet.

    Come on, Trump!

    No matter what that was a forceful patriotic speech

    It's somehow more effective for being apparently unscripted and partly improvised, complete with misspeaks, elisions, bombast and absurd non sequiturs. Instead you get the *feeling*

    If I were a liberal Left American, or a jihadi, I'd be worried now, or even suicidal. If I was a working class American Trump voter, I'd be delighted. As a Brexiteer Brit European, I reserve judgement.

    At least it's fun.
    A Jihadi worried? Trump is going to be the best recruiter and motivator for global Jihad we have seen. He is an ISIS wet dream...they have just seen all their Christmases come home at once.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Any reaction on the stock and currency markets
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    There's your climate change nonsense shredded already

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy

    " President Trump will refocus the EPA on its essential mission of protecting our air and water."

  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    The_Apocalypse said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Trump could well kill conservatism in many different ways.

    Apparently he's just like Regan though. Even though the way he loves Russia would have Regan spinning in his grave right now....

    @SeanT Obama is pretty popular in this country. Trump isn't.
    Obama is personally popular, yes. But 3 out of 4 Americans think his policies took the US in the wrong direction. That's the Obama dichotomy. He is popular but his policies are not.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    Had trouble with the interwebs in the bomb shelter...got it working now, what did the Donald have to say? Has he declared WWIII yet?
  • Carolus_Rex
    Carolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    williamglenn said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Apparently he's just like Regan though. Even though the way he loves Russia would have Regan spinning in his grave right now....

    That's simply wrong. Reagan hated communism but he was quite affectionate towards Russia and the Russian people. He even used to collect their jokes.
    Though he did come out with that daft line about there being no word for 'Freedom' in Russian.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Now that Trumpski is president, did America win the cold war?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Jonathan said:

    Feels like a closing night. Bye Bye America. It was nice knowing ya!

    British GDP to exceed US GDP by 2020.

    Optimistic.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. T, point of order: for a Jihadi, feeling suicidal is standard operating procedure.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Trumpism (not unlike Brexit) is literally a cargo cult.

    "We will bring back the treasures of the past by reverting to customs of the past!"
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    It's fucking happened......I'm going out to walk Trotsky the dog and drop in the pub.....I may be some time.....
  • MikeK
    MikeK Posts: 9,053
    BBC still getting over the shock of there being a president named Donald Trump. LOL
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    williamglenn said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Apparently he's just like Regan though. Even though the way he loves Russia would have Regan spinning in his grave right now....

    That's simply wrong. Reagan hated communism but he was quite affectionate towards Russia and the Russian people. He even used to collect their jokes.
    So you believe that Reagan would have approved of Trump's cosy relationship with Vladimir Putin? Really?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Scott_P said:

    WTF Dan?

    @DanielJHannan: If you've spent years railing against "neoliberalism" - well, let's see how you like a world without it. #Inauguration

    He's gone off the deep end.

    Does he have a point in this world any more ?
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