Trashing is kind, taking a dump on is more like it.
It's payback - and not much payback - for what Obama did to Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents Association dinner, when he ridiculed him mercilessly in public for several minutes.
I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
I'll show my age and say LBJ!
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.
The moon landing. Kennedy had the vision but it was delivered under LBJ.
Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama.
My mum always tells me that Nixon was the worst. I think the fact his legacy is Watergate kind of speaks for itself....
Actually Nixon was quite a decent president - arms-control agreement with the Soviet Union, Nixon to China, disengaging from Vietnam, some progress on civil rights (de-segregation of schools, for example).
Of course he was a crook, a liar and a fraud, as well. Nobody's perfect!
Trashing is kind, taking a dump on is more like it.
It's payback - and not much payback - for what Obama did to Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents Association dinner, when he ridiculed him mercilessly in public for several minutes.
Wasn't Trump the guy a part of the whole Birthirism thing? So I don't really blame Obama for doing that to him.
In terms of culture I agree Obama's achievement in simply becoming the first black American POTUS was wholly laudable, admirable and astonishing. But that's where it ended....
You're wrong. In 2008 the US was in the shit. They were still in Iraq and the economy was down the toilet. Osama was at large and millions of Americans had no healthcare.
Millions still have no decent healthcare cover by the standards of 'socialised medcicine' (i.e., Canada and perhaps half of Europe where taxation pays and all residents are eligible.)
BTW I think he's a jolly good speaker. I just wish I could agree with him on more than two things!
a) IS is bad b) ~$1 trillion of public works is good; US infrastructure is definitely crumbling.
From what it sounds like this speech by Trump will do the very opposite of what he's stated he wants to do - which is to unify America. It'll probably just reinforce the sense of division that's currently in America.
In terms of culture I agree Obama's achievement in simply becoming the first black American POTUS was wholly laudable, admirable and astonishing. But that's where it ended....
You're wrong. In 2008 the US was in the shit. They were still in Iraq and the economy was down the toilet. Osama was at large and millions of Americans had no healthcare.
Millions still have no decent healthcare cover by the standards of 'socialised medcicine' (i.e., Canada and perhaps half of Europe where taxation pays and all residents are eligible.)
BTW I think he's a jolly good speaker. I just wish I could agree with him on more than two things!
a) IS is bad b) ~$1 trillion of public works is good; US infrastructure is definitely crumbling.
He's a bloody awful speaker. He sounds drunk. Who are you comparing him with?
In terms of culture I agree Obama's achievement in simply becoming the first black American POTUS was wholly laudable, admirable and astonishing. But that's where it ended....
You're wrong. In 2008 the US was in the shit. They were still in Iraq and the economy was down the toilet. Osama was at large and millions of Americans had no healthcare.
Millions still have no decent healthcare cover by the standards of 'socialised medcicine' (i.e., Canada and perhaps half of Europe where taxation pays and all residents are eligible.)
BTW I think he's a jolly good speaker. I just wish I could agree with him on more than two things!
a) IS is bad b) ~$1 trillion of public works is good; US infrastructure is definitely crumbling.
Yes, the US desperately needs the infrastructure investment.
Trashing is kind, taking a dump on is more like it.
It's payback - and not much payback - for what Obama did to Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents Association dinner, when he ridiculed him mercilessly in public for several minutes.
Wasn't Trump the guy a part of the whole Birthirism thing? So I don't really blame Obama for doing that to him.
I believe it was the Clinton campaign that started that particular hare running.
"Hillary cannot make America great. She's talking something yesterday, 'making America whole.' Whole. No, I want to make America great again. I want to make America great again."
That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.
It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now
Hilarious.
Isn't Trump supposed to be a President for all Americans....that includes the evil liberal-lefties, the snowflakes, and all the millions who voted to Hillary 'lost big' Clinton?
Trashing is kind, taking a dump on is more like it.
It's payback - and not much payback - for what Obama did to Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents Association dinner, when he ridiculed him mercilessly in public for several minutes.
Wasn't Trump the guy a part of the whole Birthirism thing? So I don't really blame Obama for doing that to him.
I believe it was the Clinton campaign that started that particular hare running.
Edit: in 2008, of course.
The Clintons did start it, but Trump was a apart of it as well. It's pretty well documented.
That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.
That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.
It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now
Hilarious.
Isn't Trump supposed to be a President for all Americans....that includes the evil liberal-lefties, the snowflakes, and all the millions who voted to Hillary 'lost big' Clinton?
Its great entertainment though - he continues to rip up the rules.
"Hillary cannot make America great. She's talking something yesterday, 'making America whole.' Whole. No, I want to make America great again. I want to make America great again."
That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.
It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now
Hilarious.
Isn't Trump supposed to be a President for all Americans....that includes the evil liberal-lefties, the snowflakes, and all the millions who voted to Hillary 'lost big' Clinton?
Its great entertainment though - he continues to rip up the rules.
I'm not sure a man now in charge of enough nuclear missiles to blow up the entire planet should be judged on his ability to entertain
That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.
That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.
I think we are all quite clear what the aims of a US-UK negotiation will be for the US. And it sure as hell isn't to give Tezza an easy next few years.
Trashing is kind, taking a dump on is more like it.
It's payback - and not much payback - for what Obama did to Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents Association dinner, when he ridiculed him mercilessly in public for several minutes.
Wasn't Trump the guy a part of the whole Birthirism thing? So I don't really blame Obama for doing that to him.
I believe it was the Clinton campaign that started that particular hare running.
Edit: in 2008, of course.
The Clintons did start it, but Trump was a apart of it as well. It's pretty well documented.
Yes he was. He eventually led it. Not his wisest decision, although it did get him national attention. Proves Wilde - the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.
It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now
Hilarious.
Isn't Trump supposed to be a President for all Americans....that includes the evil liberal-lefties, the snowflakes, and all the millions who voted to Hillary 'lost big' Clinton?
Its great entertainment though - he continues to rip up the rules.
Sadly, being President of the United States of America is not an entertaining reality tv show that one can just turn off. The decisions that the leader of the free world makes will affect the entire world.
@bbcnickrobinson: So President Trump will eradicate Islamic terrorism, reverse globalisation & eliminate crime. That should keep him busy for week or two
That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.
No, no, we're going to be a global champion for Trade, Dan Hannan said it so it must be true.
Anyway, this is what taking control and sovereignty means and we're going to get it good and hard.
That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.
It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now
Hilarious.
Isn't Trump supposed to be a President for all Americans....that includes the evil liberal-lefties, the snowflakes, and all the millions who voted to Hillary 'lost big' Clinton?
Its great entertainment though - he continues to rip up the rules.
I'm not sure a man now in charge of enough nuclear missiles to blow up the entire planet should be judged on his ability to entertain
Well you heard him - if the nukes fall it will be "America First"..
@bbcnickrobinson: So President Trump will eradicate Islamic terrorism, reverse globalisation & eliminate crime. That should keep him busy for week or two
That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.
Hasn't the incoming administration already been talking about doing a trade deal with the UK?
That was probably the best speech he's ever given. In his normal bonkers mode.
It was snowflake melting tastic - there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies out there now
Hilarious.
Isn't Trump supposed to be a President for all Americans....that includes the evil liberal-lefties, the snowflakes, and all the millions who voted to Hillary 'lost big' Clinton?
Its great entertainment though - he continues to rip up the rules.
I'm not sure a man now in charge of enough nuclear missiles to blow up the entire planet should be judged on his ability to entertain
The Rockettes will perform - any nuclear reference there?
That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.
No that was Obama
Obama believed in global institutions and did his best to try and keep the EU together.....
We'll see how this narrow minded, American first, works. But it doesn't bode well for any trade deal...
That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.
Hasn't the incoming administration already been talking about doing a trade deal with the UK?
It has and it will be happy to do one whose terms it dictates.
That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.
Hasn't the incoming administration already been talking about doing a trade deal with the UK?
It has and it will be happy to do one whose terms it dictates.
So how can that be more anti-British than "back of the queue"?
For too long, trade deals have been negotiated by, and for, members of the Washington establishment. President Trump will ensure that on his watch, trade policies will be implemented by and for the people, and will put America first.
By fighting for fair but tough trade deals, we can bring jobs back to America’s shores, increase wages, and support U.S. manufacturing.
That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.
Hasn't the incoming administration already been talking about doing a trade deal with the UK?
It has and it will be happy to do one whose terms it dictates.
In terms of culture I agree Obama's achievement in simply becoming the first black American POTUS was wholly laudable, admirable and astonishing. But that's where it ended....
You're wrong. In 2008 the US was in the shit. They were still in Iraq and the economy was down the toilet. Osama was at large and millions of Americans had no healthcare.
Millions still have no decent healthcare cover by the standards of 'socialised medcicine' (i.e., Canada and perhaps half of Europe where taxation pays and all residents are eligible.)
BTW I think he's a jolly good speaker. I just wish I could agree with him on more than two things!
a) IS is bad b) ~$1 trillion of public works is good; US infrastructure is definitely crumbling.
He's a bloody awful speaker. He sounds drunk. Who are you comparing him with?
That trade deal Europe-hating, right wing British Atlanticists have been fantasising is dying a million deaths. Trump may be the most anti-British president ever. His priorities are diametrically opposed to ours in almost every way.
I think we are all quite clear what the aims of a US-UK negotiation will be for the US. And it sure as hell isn't to give Tezza an easy next few years.
This is the trade deal, Mrs May. You will open up your markets to us, we will not open up our markets to you. Sign here.
Only heard bits of the speech, but no healing the wounds yet.
Come on, Trump!
No matter what that was a forceful patriotic speech
It's somehow more effective for being apparently unscripted and partly improvised, complete with misspeaks, elisions, bombast and absurd non sequiturs. Instead you get the *feeling*
If I were a liberal Left American, or a jihadi, I'd be worried now, or even suicidal. If I was a working class American Trump voter, I'd be delighted. As a Brexiteer Brit European, I reserve judgement.
At least it's fun.
A Jihadi worried? Trump is going to be the best recruiter and motivator for global Jihad we have seen. He is an ISIS wet dream...they have just seen all their Christmases come home at once.
Trump could well kill conservatism in many different ways.
Apparently he's just like Regan though. Even though the way he loves Russia would have Regan spinning in his grave right now....
@SeanT Obama is pretty popular in this country. Trump isn't.
Obama is personally popular, yes. But 3 out of 4 Americans think his policies took the US in the wrong direction. That's the Obama dichotomy. He is popular but his policies are not.
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Of course he was a crook, a liar and a fraud, as well. Nobody's perfect!
The Guardian is going to love this.
Anyway, just off to watch "There's Something About Mary".....
God help America!
BTW I think he's a jolly good speaker. I just wish I could agree with him on more than two things!
a) IS is bad
b) ~$1 trillion of public works is good; US infrastructure is definitely crumbling.
Come on, Trump!
Hilarious.
Edit: in 2008, of course.
"Hillary cannot make America great. She's talking something yesterday, 'making America whole.' Whole. No, I want to make America great again. I want to make America great again."
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000jcbmLKXNrOE/s/750/750/36999.jpg
Anyway, this is what taking control and sovereignty means and we're going to get it good and hard.
British GDP to exceed US GDP by 2020.
@DanielJHannan: If you've spent years railing against "neoliberalism" - well, let's see how you like a world without it. #Inauguration
We'll see how this narrow minded, American first, works. But it doesn't bode well for any trade deal...
"Release the hounds.."
"Here you go, Mister President - the nuclear codes."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/trade-deals-working-all-americans
For too long, trade deals have been negotiated by, and for, members of the Washington establishment. President Trump will ensure that on his watch, trade policies will be implemented by and for the people, and will put America first.
By fighting for fair but tough trade deals, we can bring jobs back to America’s shores, increase wages, and support U.S. manufacturing.
@SeanT Obama is pretty popular in this country. Trump isn't.
As Bretiteers are so keen to say!
Great to see you back, JackW!
https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy
" President Trump will refocus the EPA on its essential mission of protecting our air and water."
"We will bring back the treasures of the past by reverting to customs of the past!"
Does he have a point in this world any more ?