I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
I'll show my age and say LBJ!
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.
As the flip side to Hillary, what must Trump be feeling now? An incredible moment for a total outsider, the Leicester City of politicians. Whatever you think of him, chapeau.
What a remarkable achievement for a billionaire son of a millionaire to reach high office.
Obama's achievement is greater.
Yep. Being the first African-American man to hold office is a much greater achievement than a orange-tanned white man being born into wealth going on to be President. Barack and Michelle Obama have inspired many in the eight years with their stories. I'm not actually sure who Trump 'inspires'.
I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
I'll show my age and say LBJ!
I would agree. No one has shown a similar ability to actually get stuff done.
No doubt SeanT will tell us that actually he was a diabolist who raped at will or something.
I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
I'll show my age and say LBJ!
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.
Passing Civil Rights was a monumental achievement given the resistance and conflict.
I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
I'll show my age and say LBJ!
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.
The moon landing. Kennedy had the vision but it was delivered under LBJ.
Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama.
Kennedy put a man on the Moon. I wonder what Trump can achieve. His tech squillionaire meeting was a very positive step I thought.
Economically he might just be brilliant... Socially I expect him to be a fairly standard republican.
Kennedy as President had many achievements, and huge failures, but his private life was pretty bad, and in the modern era he would have faired very badly under today's media scrutiny.
Reagan is hands down the best president of my lifetime.
Of course he is. Reagan was and is the best president since Roosevelt. He won the Cold War, FFS.
Clinton, Obama, Bush 1 and 2, and indeed Nixon and LBJ etc, are dwarves in comparison.
The gipper was interesting. It is worth checking out his 1960s speeches on YT which dispel any comparison with Trump. But wrt to the cold war he was in the right place at the right time. Communism was failing under its own contradictions and would have fallen anyway.
Its been pretty obvious that Farage has been angling for some well paid sinecures in the States. If Fox News is the most trusted television source in the USA I have sympathy for Americans. Murdoch's fingerprints all over it.
The O'Reilly Factor is one of the most popular news shows in the US. That alone I find utterly mind boggling.
As the flip side to Hillary, what must Trump be feeling now? An incredible moment for a total outsider, the Leicester City of politicians. Whatever you think of him, chapeau.
What a remarkable achievement for a billionaire son of a millionaire to reach high office.
Obama's achievement is greater.
Yep. Being the first African-American man to hold office is a much greater achievement than a orange-tanned white man being born into wealth going on to be President. Barack and Michelle Obama have inspired many in the eight years with their stories. I'm not actually sure who Trump 'inspires'.
Obama was half-white
He identifies as Black though. Many mixed race people do actually, especially those of Obama's generation.
As the flip side to Hillary, what must Trump be feeling now? An incredible moment for a total outsider, the Leicester City of politicians. Whatever you think of him, chapeau.
You mean fluking it to the top and crashing and burning a few months later?
Its been pretty obvious that Farage has been angling for some well paid sinecures in the States. If Fox News is the most trusted television source in the USA I have sympathy for Americans. Murdoch's fingerprints all over it.
The O'Reilly Factor is one of the most popular news shows in the US. That alone I find utterly mind boggling.
Kennedy put a man on the Moon. I wonder what Trump can achieve. His tech squillionaire meeting was a very positive step I thought.
Economically he might just be brilliant... Socially I expect him to be a fairly standard republican.
Kennedy as President had many achievements, and huge failures, but his private life was pretty bad, and in the modern era he would have faired very badly under today's media scrutiny.
I don't think this is so, everyone knew about Kennedy's infidelities back in the day. An inspirational president.
What we do know is that Hillary would have surely been a dull, middle of the road at best average president. Charisma bypass.
I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
I'll show my age and say LBJ!
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.
Passing Civil Rights was a monumental achievement given the resistance and conflict.
I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
I'll show my age and say LBJ!
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.
The moon landing. Kennedy had the vision but it was delivered under LBJ.
Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama.
You are very NASA focused. I think the Moon program was the most moronic waste of money since the topping out of the Great Pyramid, and I say that as a huge supporter of expenditure on space telescopes and unmanned probes.
As the flip side to Hillary, what must Trump be feeling now? An incredible moment for a total outsider, the Leicester City of politicians. Whatever you think of him, chapeau.
What a remarkable achievement for a billionaire son of a millionaire to reach high office.
Obama's achievement is greater.
Yep. Being the first African-American man to hold office is a much greater achievement than a orange-tanned white man being born into wealth going on to be President. Barack and Michelle Obama have inspired many in the eight years with their stories. I'm not actually sure who Trump 'inspires'.
Obama was half-white
He identifies as Black though. Many mixed race people do actually, especially those of Obama's generation.
I think Obama is still half-white. Makes it easier to scream 'Waycist' I suppose.
I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
I'll show my age and say LBJ!
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.
The moon landing. Kennedy had the vision but it was delivered under LBJ.
Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama.
My mum always tells me that Nixon was the worst. I think the fact his legacy is Watergate kind of speaks for itself....
The founding fathers through to Andrew Jackson enjoy very good ratings, followed by a largely inconsistent run though to FDR -> LBJ (Who were all top 10 or thereabouts), the series of mediocre ones then starts again punctuated by Ronald Reagen.
Obama seems to be ranked 18/45, which isn't too bad, though generally below Bill Clinton.
When Charles married Camilla, the local paper had the headline "Local man to wed".
And when Arne Naess married Diana Ross, every paper in the world said "Diana Ross marries Norwegian shipping magnate" except Lloyd's List which went with "Arne Naess marries American singer".
As the flip side to Hillary, what must Trump be feeling now? An incredible moment for a total outsider, the Leicester City of politicians. Whatever you think of him, chapeau.
What a remarkable achievement for a billionaire son of a millionaire to reach high office.
Obama's achievement is greater.
Yep. Being the first African-American man to hold office is a much greater achievement than a orange-tanned white man being born into wealth going on to be President. Barack and Michelle Obama have inspired many in the eight years with their stories. I'm not actually sure who Trump 'inspires'.
Obama was half-white
He identifies as Black though. Many mixed race people do actually, especially those of Obama's generation.
I think Obama is still half-white. Makes it easier to scream 'Waycist' I suppose.
You see Obama as mixed race if you want to, but it won't change how he identifies, and how most Black people see him.
I'm mixed race myself, and given how difficult life has been for many mixed race people historically, and even today, I think people should respect how they choose to identify.
I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
I'll show my age and say LBJ!
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.
The moon landing. Kennedy had the vision but it was delivered under LBJ.
Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama.
You are very NASA focused. I think the Moon program was the most moronic waste of money since the topping out of the Great Pyramid, and I say that as a huge supporter of expenditure on space telescopes and unmanned probes.
Everyone has to have a hobby... Personally I think Human Space Flight is pretty much the pinnacle of our civilisation
The founding fathers through to Andrew Jackson enjoy very good ratings, followed by a largely inconsistent run though to FDR -> LBJ (Who were all top 10 or thereabouts), the series of mediocre ones then starts again punctuated by Ronald Reagen.
Obama seems to be ranked 18/45, which isn't too bad, though generally below Bill Clinton.
I wonder how people gauge these things.
After all, by at least one objective measure, the worst President of all was Lincoln. More Americans died premature violent deaths on his watch than anybody else's.
I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
I'll show my age and say LBJ!
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.
The moon landing. Kennedy had the vision but it was delivered under LBJ.
Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama.
You are very NASA focused. I think the Moon program was the most moronic waste of money since the topping out of the Great Pyramid, and I say that as a huge supporter of expenditure on space telescopes and unmanned probes.
Everyone has to have a hobby... Personally I think Human Space Flight is pretty much the pinnacle of our civilisation
Concorde was more of an achievement than putting man on the moon.
@SeanT Well, Bill Clinton (along with JFK) showed that you can get away with infidelity. What Trump did/said was a lot more darker than mere infidelity....
WTF? The allegations against Clinton are easily as bad as anything hurled at Trump. Indeed they are probably worse and more lurid, and with better evidence.
Kennedy was no saint either. On a par and in some respects worse than Clinton.
Kennedy put a man on the Moon. ...
Didn't the first moon landing take place in 1969? That was some time after Kennedy's death in 1963. True he kicked the programme off but he was long dead before the technology to do it was developed and it eventually succeeded. Whether it was worth doing at all, is another question.
I have long had a sneaking feeling that had Kennedy not be assassinated he would have gone down as a mediocre, at best, president and possibly a bloody awful one. Up thread someone posted that LBJ took the USA into Vietnam, he did not. That was JFK; LBJ merely expanded what Kennedy had started and in the circumstances that then prevailed I suspect Kennedy would have made the same decision.
The founding fathers through to Andrew Jackson enjoy very good ratings, followed by a largely inconsistent run though to FDR -> LBJ (Who were all top 10 or thereabouts), the series of mediocre ones then starts again punctuated by Ronald Reagen.
Obama seems to be ranked 18/45, which isn't too bad, though generally below Bill Clinton.
I wonder how people gauge these things.
After all, by at least one objective measure, the worst President of all was Lincoln. More Americans died premature violent deaths on his watch than anybody else's.
'twas in a noble cause. I don't hold Churchill responsible for our WW2 casualties.
In terms of culture I agree Obama's achievement in simply becoming the first black American POTUS was wholly laudable, admirable and astonishing. But that's where it ended....
You're wrong. In 2008 the US was in the shit. They were still in Iraq and the economy was down the toilet. Osama was at large and millions of Americans had no healthcare.
@HurstLlama I agree with you 100% on Kennedy. It also annoys me how the Kennedys are seen in relation to Black people. He just used the whole situation with MLK in order to get votes from the African-American community.
I wonder whether Trump will continue tweeting from his 'realDonaldTrump' handle or whether he'll switch to the POTUS one?
@HurstLlama I agree with you 100% on Kennedy. It also annoys me how the Kennedys are seen in relation to Black people. He just used the whole situation with MLK in order to get votes from the African-American community.
I wonder whether Trump will continue tweeting from his 'realDonaldTrump' handle or whether he'll switch to the POTUS one?
I'm interested too. The first thing the SS do is confiscate the PEOTUS's ordinary phone and give him one of the ghastly TS bricks. It tends to cramp their style.
@SeanT Well, Bill Clinton (along with JFK) showed that you can get away with infidelity. What Trump did/said was a lot more darker than mere infidelity....
WTF? The allegations against Clinton are easily as bad as anything hurled at Trump. Indeed they are probably worse and more lurid, and with better evidence.
Kennedy was no saint either. On a par and in some respects worse than Clinton.
Kennedy put a man on the Moon. ...
Didn't the first moon landing take place in 1969? That was some time after Kennedy's death in 1963. True he kicked the programme off but he was long dead before the technology to do it was developed and it eventually succeeded. Whether it was worth doing at all, is another question.
I have long had a sneaking feeling that had Kennedy not be assassinated he would have gone down as a mediocre, at best, president and possibly a bloody awful one. Up thread someone posted that LBJ took the USA into Vietnam, he did not. That was JFK; LBJ merely expanded what Kennedy had started and in the circumstances that then prevailed I suspect Kennedy would have made the same decision.
Going into Vietnam was the result of appalling advice from the President's staff. LBJ realised it, which why he wouldn't stand again.
@SeanT Well, Bill Clinton (along with JFK) showed that you can get away with infidelity. What Trump did/said was a lot more darker than mere infidelity....
WTF? The allegations against Clinton are easily as bad as anything hurled at Trump. Indeed they are probably worse and more lurid, and with better evidence.
Kennedy was no saint either. On a par and in some respects worse than Clinton.
Kennedy put a man on the Moon. ...
Didn't the first moon landing take place in 1969? That was some time after Kennedy's death in 1963. True he kicked the programme off but he was long dead before the technology to do it was developed and it eventually succeeded. Whether it was worth doing at all, is another question.
I have long had a sneaking feeling that had Kennedy not be assassinated he would have gone down as a mediocre, at best, president and possibly a bloody awful one. Up thread someone posted that LBJ took the USA into Vietnam, he did not. That was JFK; LBJ merely expanded what Kennedy had started and in the circumstances that then prevailed I suspect Kennedy would have made the same decision.
Kennedy almost started a "nucular" war over Cuba...
He is setting himself some incredible goals. Rather than just waffle about new beginnings.
The rusting factories will be open from this moment etc etc.
The USA has access to a huge internal market still, fundamentally it is simply put ... in a better place to 'go it alone' than almost anywhere else on the planet.
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No doubt SeanT will tell us that actually he was a diabolist who raped at will or something.
Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama.
It was memorably quoted in "The Civil War" tv series by Ken Burns.
Schumer was less memorable
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw0e5GyXgAE2UJR.jpg
What we do know is that Hillary would have surely been a dull, middle of the road at best average president. Charisma bypass.
Is this the Bay City Rollers?
http://i.thisis.co.uk/275520/article/images/htfp/http___www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk_images2_tetbury.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
The founding fathers through to Andrew Jackson enjoy very good ratings, followed by a largely inconsistent run though to FDR -> LBJ (Who were all top 10 or thereabouts), the series of mediocre ones then starts again punctuated by Ronald Reagen.
Obama seems to be ranked 18/45, which isn't too bad, though generally below Bill Clinton.
I'm mixed race myself, and given how difficult life has been for many mixed race people historically, and even today, I think people should respect how they choose to identify.
After all, by at least one objective measure, the worst President of all was Lincoln. More Americans died premature violent deaths on his watch than anybody else's.
I have long had a sneaking feeling that had Kennedy not be assassinated he would have gone down as a mediocre, at best, president and possibly a bloody awful one. Up thread someone posted that LBJ took the USA into Vietnam, he did not. That was JFK; LBJ merely expanded what Kennedy had started and in the circumstances that then prevailed I suspect Kennedy would have made the same decision.
the fucker snorts too.....terribly unappealing
I wonder whether Trump will continue tweeting from his 'realDonaldTrump' handle or whether he'll switch to the POTUS one?
The rusting factories will be open from this moment etc etc.
Also I wouldn't bet on Trump getting this protectionist agenda through Congress. Paul Ryan is about to lose his mind right now....
I think it was more in our interests when the EU didn't spend any money on weapons, and the US was the world's policeman.
I do not think that people understand all that he's saying and how different it is from anything gone before.