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Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.SandyRentool said:
I'll show my age and say LBJ!The_Apocalypse said:I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
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Obama was half-whiteThe_Apocalypse said:
Yep. Being the first African-American man to hold office is a much greater achievement than a orange-tanned white man being born into wealth going on to be President. Barack and Michelle Obama have inspired many in the eight years with their stories. I'm not actually sure who Trump 'inspires'.Jonathan said:
What a remarkable achievement for a billionaire son of a millionaire to reach high office.SeanT said:As the flip side to Hillary, what must Trump be feeling now? An incredible moment for a total outsider, the Leicester City of politicians. Whatever you think of him, chapeau.
Obama's achievement is greater.
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I would agree. No one has shown a similar ability to actually get stuff done.SandyRentool said:
I'll show my age and say LBJ!The_Apocalypse said:I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
No doubt SeanT will tell us that actually he was a diabolist who raped at will or something.0 -
Chuck Schumer with the job of the token Democrat trying desperately to sound gracious.0
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Hannan uses far too many big words for Fox. Farage is much more their speed. *sheldonesque look of haughty disdain*Pulpstar said:
Dan Hannan ?The_Apocalypse said:@SeanT you're not the first person to tell me that. Ah well, I have my whole life ahead of me to become 'unsheltered'.
If they wanted to get a Brexiteer on FNC they should have gotten Dan Hannan.Tim_B said:
This is no surprise. His talking head has been a feature on FNC since brexitThe_Apocalypse said:
My heart goes out to the Americans.Scott_P said:
He is a charismatic speaker, but his stock is in the toilet right now. Farage never promised or wanted the single market.0 -
Are you really saying Hannan's stock is in the toilet right now all because he wanted to stay in the single market? Really?Pulpstar said:
Dan Hannan ?The_Apocalypse said:@SeanT you're not the first person to tell me that. Ah well, I have my whole life ahead of me to become 'unsheltered'.
If they wanted to get a Brexiteer on FNC they should have gotten Dan Hannan.Tim_B said:
This is no surprise. His talking head has been a feature on FNC since brexitThe_Apocalypse said:
My heart goes out to the Americans.Scott_P said:
He is a charismatic speaker, but his stock is in the toilet right now. Farage never promised or wanted the single market.0 -
This letter to Sarah is dreary stuff. And is he really called Baloo?
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Passing Civil Rights was a monumental achievement given the resistance and conflict.The_Apocalypse said:
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.SandyRentool said:
I'll show my age and say LBJ!The_Apocalypse said:I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
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The moon landing. Kennedy had the vision but it was delivered under LBJ.The_Apocalypse said:
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.SandyRentool said:
I'll show my age and say LBJ!The_Apocalypse said:I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama.0 -
Kennedy as President had many achievements, and huge failures, but his private life was pretty bad, and in the modern era he would have faired very badly under today's media scrutiny.Pulpstar said:Kennedy put a man on the Moon. I wonder what Trump can achieve. His tech squillionaire meeting was a very positive step I thought.
Economically he might just be brilliant... Socially I expect him to be a fairly standard republican.
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The gipper was interesting. It is worth checking out his 1960s speeches on YT which dispel any comparison with Trump. But wrt to the cold war he was in the right place at the right time. Communism was failing under its own contradictions and would have fallen anyway.SeanT said:
Of course he is. Reagan was and is the best president since Roosevelt. He won the Cold War, FFS.John_M said:Reagan is hands down the best president of my lifetime.
Clinton, Obama, Bush 1 and 2, and indeed Nixon and LBJ etc, are dwarves in comparison.
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The O'Reilly Factor is one of the most popular news shows in the US. That alone I find utterly mind boggling.perdix said:
Its been pretty obvious that Farage has been angling for some well paid sinecures in the States. If Fox News is the most trusted television source in the USA I have sympathy for Americans. Murdoch's fingerprints all over it.The_Apocalypse said:
My heart goes out to the Americans.Scott_P said:0 -
OMG the guy who was just speaking has a voice very similar to the evil angel from an old Star Trek episode0
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_BallouIshmael_Z said:This letter to Sarah is dreary stuff. And is he really called Baloo?
It was memorably quoted in "The Civil War" tv series by Ken Burns.
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He identifies as Black though. Many mixed race people do actually, especially those of Obama's generation.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Obama was half-whiteThe_Apocalypse said:
Yep. Being the first African-American man to hold office is a much greater achievement than a orange-tanned white man being born into wealth going on to be President. Barack and Michelle Obama have inspired many in the eight years with their stories. I'm not actually sure who Trump 'inspires'.Jonathan said:
What a remarkable achievement for a billionaire son of a millionaire to reach high office.SeanT said:As the flip side to Hillary, what must Trump be feeling now? An incredible moment for a total outsider, the Leicester City of politicians. Whatever you think of him, chapeau.
Obama's achievement is greater.
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so, for a few minutes Obama is president and Pence is Veep?0
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The 11pm repeat is also very popular.The_Apocalypse said:
The O'Reilly Factor is one of the most popular news shows in the US. That alone I find utterly mind boggling.perdix said:
Its been pretty obvious that Farage has been angling for some well paid sinecures in the States. If Fox News is the most trusted television source in the USA I have sympathy for Americans. Murdoch's fingerprints all over it.The_Apocalypse said:
My heart goes out to the Americans.Scott_P said:0 -
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Wikipedia vice president page already updated. Screen grab the president page now for last dose of sanity for 4 years.0
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I don't think this is so, everyone knew about Kennedy's infidelities back in the day. An inspirational president.glw said:
Kennedy as President had many achievements, and huge failures, but his private life was pretty bad, and in the modern era he would have faired very badly under today's media scrutiny.Pulpstar said:Kennedy put a man on the Moon. I wonder what Trump can achieve. His tech squillionaire meeting was a very positive step I thought.
Economically he might just be brilliant... Socially I expect him to be a fairly standard republican.
What we do know is that Hillary would have surely been a dull, middle of the road at best average president. Charisma bypass.0 -
What is it with tartan this year?
Is this the Bay City Rollers?0 -
When Charles married Camilla, the local paper had the headline "Local man to wed".RobD said:0 -
I kind of side-eye Johnson now after knowing about his attitudes towards race: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racismrottenborough said:
Passing Civil Rights was a monumental achievement given the resistance and conflict.The_Apocalypse said:
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.SandyRentool said:
I'll show my age and say LBJ!The_Apocalypse said:I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
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I wonder what Vladimir is doing right now.0
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Talking into Trump's earpiece?Gallowgate said:I wonder what Vladimir is doing right now.
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You are very NASA focused. I think the Moon program was the most moronic waste of money since the topping out of the Great Pyramid, and I say that as a huge supporter of expenditure on space telescopes and unmanned probes.Pulpstar said:
The moon landing. Kennedy had the vision but it was delivered under LBJ.The_Apocalypse said:
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.SandyRentool said:
I'll show my age and say LBJ!The_Apocalypse said:I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama.0 -
and here we are at high noon....0
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Second choir much better!0
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Or promoting golf courses in Scotland?Jonathan said:What is it with tartan this year?
Is this the Bay City Rollers?0 -
Why are they singing the Blackadder theme tune?0
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I think Obama is still half-white. Makes it easier to scream 'Waycist' I suppose.The_Apocalypse said:
He identifies as Black though. Many mixed race people do actually, especially those of Obama's generation.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Obama was half-whiteThe_Apocalypse said:
Yep. Being the first African-American man to hold office is a much greater achievement than a orange-tanned white man being born into wealth going on to be President. Barack and Michelle Obama have inspired many in the eight years with their stories. I'm not actually sure who Trump 'inspires'.Jonathan said:
What a remarkable achievement for a billionaire son of a millionaire to reach high office.SeanT said:As the flip side to Hillary, what must Trump be feeling now? An incredible moment for a total outsider, the Leicester City of politicians. Whatever you think of him, chapeau.
Obama's achievement is greater.0 -
This one?Tim_B said:
When Charles married Camilla, the local paper had the headline "Local man to wed".RobD said:
http://i.thisis.co.uk/275520/article/images/htfp/http___www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk_images2_tetbury.jpg0 -
Trump is POTUS!0
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And god help us all0
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My mum always tells me that Nixon was the worst. I think the fact his legacy is Watergate kind of speaks for itself....Pulpstar said:
The moon landing. Kennedy had the vision but it was delivered under LBJ.The_Apocalypse said:
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.SandyRentool said:
I'll show my age and say LBJ!The_Apocalypse said:I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama.0 -
Brits with odd voices seem to do inexplicably well on US TV. I've never understood the success of Richard Quest for example.John_M said:
Hannan uses far too many big words for Fox. Farage is much more their speed. *sheldonesque look of haughty disdain*Pulpstar said:
Dan Hannan ?The_Apocalypse said:@SeanT you're not the first person to tell me that. Ah well, I have my whole life ahead of me to become 'unsheltered'.
If they wanted to get a Brexiteer on FNC they should have gotten Dan Hannan.Tim_B said:
This is no surprise. His talking head has been a feature on FNC since brexitThe_Apocalypse said:
My heart goes out to the Americans.Scott_P said:
He is a charismatic speaker, but his stock is in the toilet right now. Farage never promised or wanted the single market.0 -
looks like it - couldn't remember the name of the placeRobD said:
This one?Tim_B said:
When Charles married Camilla, the local paper had the headline "Local man to wed".RobD said:
http://i.thisis.co.uk/275520/article/images/htfp/http___www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk_images2_tetbury.jpg0 -
To the bomb shelters everyone!0
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Wikipedia still has Obama as President..
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My God, they are shelling him....0
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shit...he's pres.0
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Oh, no - we're all going to die now!!!
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That was hilarious editing.MarqueeMark said:My God, they are shelling him....
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The US POTUS rankings are interesting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
The founding fathers through to Andrew Jackson enjoy very good ratings, followed by a largely inconsistent run though to FDR -> LBJ (Who were all top 10 or thereabouts), the series of mediocre ones then starts again punctuated by Ronald Reagen.
Obama seems to be ranked 18/45, which isn't too bad, though generally below Bill Clinton.0 -
Slackers...!RobD said:Wikipedia still has Obama as President..
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bad times0
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Ah.. there we go!SimonStClare said:
Slackers...!RobD said:Wikipedia still has Obama as President..
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When I say "people of the world, thank you" - I really mean "Russians..."0
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Shit....it's actually happened......0
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Your ISP must do some caching because mine had already updated half-way through his vow-thing.RobD said:
Ah.. there we go!SimonStClare said:
Slackers...!RobD said:Wikipedia still has Obama as President..
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Rain right on cue!0
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You see Obama as mixed race if you want to, but it won't change how he identifies, and how most Black people see him.weejonnie said:
I think Obama is still half-white. Makes it easier to scream 'Waycist' I suppose.The_Apocalypse said:
He identifies as Black though. Many mixed race people do actually, especially those of Obama's generation.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Obama was half-whiteThe_Apocalypse said:
Yep. Being the first African-American man to hold office is a much greater achievement than a orange-tanned white man being born into wealth going on to be President. Barack and Michelle Obama have inspired many in the eight years with their stories. I'm not actually sure who Trump 'inspires'.Jonathan said:
What a remarkable achievement for a billionaire son of a millionaire to reach high office.SeanT said:As the flip side to Hillary, what must Trump be feeling now? An incredible moment for a total outsider, the Leicester City of politicians. Whatever you think of him, chapeau.
Obama's achievement is greater.
I'm mixed race myself, and given how difficult life has been for many mixed race people historically, and even today, I think people should respect how they choose to identify.0 -
Everyone has to have a hobby... Personally I think Human Space Flight is pretty much the pinnacle of our civilisationIshmael_Z said:
You are very NASA focused. I think the Moon program was the most moronic waste of money since the topping out of the Great Pyramid, and I say that as a huge supporter of expenditure on space telescopes and unmanned probes.Pulpstar said:
The moon landing. Kennedy had the vision but it was delivered under LBJ.The_Apocalypse said:
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.SandyRentool said:
I'll show my age and say LBJ!The_Apocalypse said:I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama. 0 -
Brace yourselves ladies and gentlemen: https://twitter.com/POTUS0
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What is he talking about?0
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How Shakespearean - the heavens have just opened up as he starts to speak.0
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I wonder how people gauge these things.Pulpstar said:The US POTUS rankings are interesting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
The founding fathers through to Andrew Jackson enjoy very good ratings, followed by a largely inconsistent run though to FDR -> LBJ (Who were all top 10 or thereabouts), the series of mediocre ones then starts again punctuated by Ronald Reagen.
Obama seems to be ranked 18/45, which isn't too bad, though generally below Bill Clinton.
After all, by at least one objective measure, the worst President of all was Lincoln. More Americans died premature violent deaths on his watch than anybody else's.0 -
@POTUS is now Trumps.0
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@POTUS hasn't tweeted yet.Gallowgate said:Brace yourselves ladies and gentlemen: https://twitter.com/POTUS
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Concorde was more of an achievement than putting man on the moon.Pulpstar said:
Everyone has to have a hobby... Personally I think Human Space Flight is pretty much the pinnacle of our civilisationIshmael_Z said:
You are very NASA focused. I think the Moon program was the most moronic waste of money since the topping out of the Great Pyramid, and I say that as a huge supporter of expenditure on space telescopes and unmanned probes.Pulpstar said:
The moon landing. Kennedy had the vision but it was delivered under LBJ.The_Apocalypse said:
Why do say LBJ out of interest? In regard to his administration all I know is that under him the Civil Rights Act passed and the US went into Vietnam.SandyRentool said:
I'll show my age and say LBJ!The_Apocalypse said:I agree with @Jonathan. Obama's been the best POTUS in my lifetime (though that lifetime is only 23 years). I'll miss him when he's gone (and Michelle too).
Nixon must be the worst, catastrophic for NASA - even worse than Obama.0 -
Didn't the first moon landing take place in 1969? That was some time after Kennedy's death in 1963. True he kicked the programme off but he was long dead before the technology to do it was developed and it eventually succeeded. Whether it was worth doing at all, is another question.Pulpstar said:
Kennedy put a man on the Moon. ...glw said:
Kennedy was no saint either. On a par and in some respects worse than Clinton.SeanT said:
WTF? The allegations against Clinton are easily as bad as anything hurled at Trump. Indeed they are probably worse and more lurid, and with better evidence.The_Apocalypse said:@SeanT Well, Bill Clinton (along with JFK) showed that you can get away with infidelity. What Trump did/said was a lot more darker than mere infidelity....
I have long had a sneaking feeling that had Kennedy not be assassinated he would have gone down as a mediocre, at best, president and possibly a bloody awful one. Up thread someone posted that LBJ took the USA into Vietnam, he did not. That was JFK; LBJ merely expanded what Kennedy had started and in the circumstances that then prevailed I suspect Kennedy would have made the same decision.
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'twas in a noble cause. I don't hold Churchill responsible for our WW2 casualties.Carolus_Rex said:
I wonder how people gauge these things.Pulpstar said:The US POTUS rankings are interesting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
The founding fathers through to Andrew Jackson enjoy very good ratings, followed by a largely inconsistent run though to FDR -> LBJ (Who were all top 10 or thereabouts), the series of mediocre ones then starts again punctuated by Ronald Reagen.
Obama seems to be ranked 18/45, which isn't too bad, though generally below Bill Clinton.
After all, by at least one objective measure, the worst President of all was Lincoln. More Americans died premature violent deaths on his watch than anybody else's.0 -
You're wrong. In 2008 the US was in the shit. They were still in Iraq and the economy was down the toilet. Osama was at large and millions of Americans had no healthcare.SeanT said:
In terms of culture I agree Obama's achievement in simply becoming the first black American POTUS was wholly laudable, admirable and astonishing. But that's where it ended....
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This great Trump movement, the greatest in history was outvoted by 3 million votes by Hillary...so it is at best the second biggest movement....
the fucker snorts too.....terribly unappealing0 -
'Carnage' - this is strong stuff. Good for him.0
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@HurstLlama I agree with you 100% on Kennedy. It also annoys me how the Kennedys are seen in relation to Black people. He just used the whole situation with MLK in order to get votes from the African-American community.
I wonder whether Trump will continue tweeting from his 'realDonaldTrump' handle or whether he'll switch to the POTUS one?0 -
Jesus his depiction of the USA is like something from Mad Max0
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His speech is quite good. Very different. Not oratory. But he's saying a few things. Don't agree with it. But it's effective.0
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@HurstLlama Ye I got that wrong, corrected myself in a subsequent post...0
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There are no videos of him snorting, and you shouldn't spread rumours like that.tyson said:This great Trump movement, the greatest in history was outvoted by 3 million votes by Hillary...so it is at best the second biggest movement....
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Trashing Obama's legacy - smart.0
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The idea that massive deficit swelling Reagan is best President is interesting.0
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POTUS has got over 3m followers in 10 minutes.0
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I'm interested too. The first thing the SS do is confiscate the PEOTUS's ordinary phone and give him one of the ghastly TS bricks. It tends to cramp their style.The_Apocalypse said:@HurstLlama I agree with you 100% on Kennedy. It also annoys me how the Kennedys are seen in relation to Black people. He just used the whole situation with MLK in order to get votes from the African-American community.
I wonder whether Trump will continue tweeting from his 'realDonaldTrump' handle or whether he'll switch to the POTUS one?0 -
Going into Vietnam was the result of appalling advice from the President's staff. LBJ realised it, which why he wouldn't stand again.HurstLlama said:
Didn't the first moon landing take place in 1969? That was some time after Kennedy's death in 1963. True he kicked the programme off but he was long dead before the technology to do it was developed and it eventually succeeded. Whether it was worth doing at all, is another question.Pulpstar said:
Kennedy put a man on the Moon. ...glw said:
Kennedy was no saint either. On a par and in some respects worse than Clinton.SeanT said:
WTF? The allegations against Clinton are easily as bad as anything hurled at Trump. Indeed they are probably worse and more lurid, and with better evidence.The_Apocalypse said:@SeanT Well, Bill Clinton (along with JFK) showed that you can get away with infidelity. What Trump did/said was a lot more darker than mere infidelity....
I have long had a sneaking feeling that had Kennedy not be assassinated he would have gone down as a mediocre, at best, president and possibly a bloody awful one. Up thread someone posted that LBJ took the USA into Vietnam, he did not. That was JFK; LBJ merely expanded what Kennedy had started and in the circumstances that then prevailed I suspect Kennedy would have made the same decision.0 -
This is not sounding too great-trade-deal-with-the-UK-ish.0
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'Our vital bodily fluids have been squandered and wasted abroad'0
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Secret service have probably uninstalled the twitter app from his phone!Gallowgate said:Brace yourselves ladies and gentlemen: https://twitter.com/POTUS
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He's getting worse...anyone thought he'd pivot is wrong...0
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He is setting himself some incredible goals. Rather than just waffle about new beginnings.
The rusting factories will be open from this moment etc etc.0 -
Merkel and the EU about to realise they are going to have to pay billions more on defence0
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I dont think Britain should be depending on this bloke for prosperity.0
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RICKROLL!!!!!!0
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Sounds like hardcore protectionism.0
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Kennedy almost started a "nucular" war over Cuba...HurstLlama said:
Didn't the first moon landing take place in 1969? That was some time after Kennedy's death in 1963. True he kicked the programme off but he was long dead before the technology to do it was developed and it eventually succeeded. Whether it was worth doing at all, is another question.Pulpstar said:
Kennedy put a man on the Moon. ...glw said:
Kennedy was no saint either. On a par and in some respects worse than Clinton.SeanT said:
WTF? The allegations against Clinton are easily as bad as anything hurled at Trump. Indeed they are probably worse and more lurid, and with better evidence.The_Apocalypse said:@SeanT Well, Bill Clinton (along with JFK) showed that you can get away with infidelity. What Trump did/said was a lot more darker than mere infidelity....
I have long had a sneaking feeling that had Kennedy not be assassinated he would have gone down as a mediocre, at best, president and possibly a bloody awful one. Up thread someone posted that LBJ took the USA into Vietnam, he did not. That was JFK; LBJ merely expanded what Kennedy had started and in the circumstances that then prevailed I suspect Kennedy would have made the same decision.0 -
The USA has access to a huge internal market still, fundamentally it is simply put ... in a better place to 'go it alone' than almost anywhere else on the planet.rottenborough said:He is setting himself some incredible goals. Rather than just waffle about new beginnings.
The rusting factories will be open from this moment etc etc.0 -
Apparently he'll be a good POTUS for Britain though....Slackbladder said:Sounds like hardcore protectionism.
Also I wouldn't bet on Trump getting this protectionist agenda through Congress. Paul Ryan is about to lose his mind right now....0 -
Buy American and hire American!Slackbladder said:Sounds like hardcore protectionism.
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That cuts both ways, of course. The EU will spend more, but that equally means that they will be wielding more power.Big_G_NorthWales said:Merkel and the EU about to realise they are going to have to pay billions more on defence
I think it was more in our interests when the EU didn't spend any money on weapons, and the US was the world's policeman.0 -
Hillary looks dreadfulTGOHF said:Trashing Obama's legacy - smart.
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Trumps words are revolutionary, but his speechmaking has a lot to be desired.
I do not think that people understand all that he's saying and how different it is from anything gone before.0 -
& Quite right too.Big_G_NorthWales said:Merkel and the EU about to realise they are going to have to pay billions more on defence
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Best president was Truman by a mile. The last one who understood the concept of public service.Alistair said:The idea that massive deficit swelling Reagan is best President is interesting.
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