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+1Moses_ said:
Sorry noJosiasJessop said:
As I keep on saying, she gave out abuse as well. It was far from all one-way.TwistedFireStopper said:I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retreating and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
As someone who really did not give a shit either way as commonly stated on this forum
Plato got a avalanche of abuse here. An absolute Avalanche....Just go back and read some of the terrible things that were said about her. You should be absolutely fucking ashamed of this and hang you collected heads. All of you....
Plato can stand up for herself as we all very well know but the treatment that certain posters gave to her over many months just because she researched and posted alternatives were nothing short of disgraceful.
Well done ms Plato .
I Should have said this before I did not and I include myself in the above shame as a consequence.0 -
It was a very nasty election, neither candidate had the opportunity to act Presidential.Pulpstar said:Trump slipped into presidential mode from candidate mode seamlessly imo.
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I'm told they will be yuuuugeeee.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
We're going to need it.DecrepitJohnL said:Marijuana legalisation in various states -- either medical or recreational -- may spread here. More importantly, it may spur further research by the drug companies, who together with the agribusinesses will soon dominate the trade.
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Usual bile from you, show us your proof or just crawl away.JosiasJessop said:
Not to share. She knows. I daresay I'll be waiting a long time ...Charles said:
I've just the past few weeks but don't recall anything like @Jobabob 's systematic unpleasantness towards Miss Plato.JosiasJessop said:
Or the ones she threw.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.
Perhaps you have some specifics to share?0 -
Some people call unsubstantiated accusations "smears"JosiasJessop said:
Not to share. She knows. I daresay I'll be waiting a long time ...Charles said:
I've just the past few weeks but don't recall anything like @Jobabob 's systematic unpleasantness towards Miss Plato.JosiasJessop said:
Or the ones she threw.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.
Perhaps you have some specifics to share?0 -
Just been said that the Paris climate change deal is dead as a result of Trump's Presidency. This election has to have been the left's ultimate demise0
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it was pretty clear on 24th June that Trump would win it. I could see the juggernaut steaming inevitably towards us just as I could before the referendum. I didn't want to believe it, but I knew it would happen. Like Jonathan, heart and head one way, but my gut the other.0
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Good Morning PBers ....
A new dawn has broken has it not .....
Firstly. Whilst @Plato is in the house :
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.
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Well done. You show, yet again, why you shouldn't be let anywhere near voters.Stark_Dawning said:I lurched off to bed last night with young Mr Smithson intoning that 'a swing is a swing' and 'it's all over' then arose to this. One consolation though: it makes me feel better about Brexit. We're now not the only country capable of being seismically reckless with our own good standing.
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Could Scotland afford the license fee?malcolmg said:
I am going to campaign to have Prestwick airport renamed to TRUMP airport.Alanbrooke said:
she may need to cede that Golf course as US sovereign territory :-)malcolmg said:
She called that well wrongAlanbrooke said:
LOL wee Mrs McTurnip is currently looking at a crow and wondering how it tastes.malcolmg said:
Alan, Scotland has a president and soon we will be independent, happy days. Go "The Donald".Alanbrooke said:So does he take phone call from Nigel or Tezza first ?
You can send Fat Boy Slim as your ambassador :-)0 -
538 hinted at it, but were possibly afraid of going out on a limb.rottenborough said:Well done to Plato and one or two others on here.
Polling and projection analysis and 538 are all finished.
But who cares while we watch in fear to see if Congress can control him.0 -
I've already congratulated her. But to some extent, what she received was what she was giving out, especially early on.Moses_ said:
Sorry noJosiasJessop said:
As I keep on saying, she gave out abuse as well. It was far from all one-way.TwistedFireStopper said:I hope a few apologies to Plato are being drafted. You can disagree with her politics and her habit of retreating and copy and pasting, but she has taken a lot of abuse from certain posters in here. A little humility from her tormentors would be nice.
As someone who really did not give a shit either way as commonly stated on this forum
Plato got a avalanche of abuse here. An absolute Avalanche....Just go back and read some of the terrible things that were said about her. You should be absolutely fucking ashamed of this and hang you collected heads. All of you....
Plato can stand up for herself as we all very well know but the treatment that certain posters gave to her over many months just because she researched and posted alternatives were nothing short of disgraceful.
Well done ms Plato .
I Should have said this before I did not and I include myself in the above shame as a consequence.0 -
But not for sale to the vrhinnna-ese.RobD said:
I'm told they will be yuuuugeeee.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Just in the wrong order.IanB2 said:At least trump is trying to say the right things
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This popular vote market on Betfair is extraordinary. I genuinely think Clinton should be 1.01
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Wow, the FTSE has come almost all the way back up again, offering the chance to make the money from it falling all over again.0
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Please Jack: even if your ARSE has to leave, please stick around. There's still plenty of room on the field for the rest of you.JackW said:Good Morning PBers ....
A new dawn has broken has it not .....
Firstly. Whilst @Plato is in the house :
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.0 -
I think POTUS had to approve it - or Senate had to approve POTUS appointment. So deadlock.RobD said:Wow, I hadn't realised that the Senate hadn't confirmed a new Justice, so there is a vacancy right now!
One just hopes Trump will take advice while he adjusts to the office. He will have to start delivering reasonably soon.
Oh - and when will he get his Nobel Peace Prize?0 -
I suppose a British hedge fund could pay for a woman to go to America and launch a case in an American court to overturn the result.0
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Dunno. The pundits will be scrabbling through Trump speeches but on most issues, he has faced both ways or just said he'd get the best people on it. More worrying is his isolationism -- or his long-held conviction (he's been saying it for decades) that the rest of the world gets a free ride on America.OldKingCole said:
The end of Obamacare, climate change.......? What else?DecrepitJohnL said:
The cabinet will be interesting. I've been relaxed about Trump owing to my theory that because he has no political hinterland, the Republican establishment will need to supply a list of candidates.PlatoSaid said:
I've huge respect for Pence - he took a gamble and played his hand very well. Kudos to him.RobD said:I bet Pence can't believe it!
Now the GOP have the WH, Senate, House et al - they can do something tangible.0 -
Really quite an amazingly bad night for them. And it's not even as though it was just Dems who thought they'd win, plenty of republicans too.DavidL said:Total disaster for the Dems. Net gain of 1 in the Senate but still Republican, net gain of 5 in the House, still Republican, a chance to rebalance the Supreme Court for a generation and a reworking of the US Presidential map that opens up so many more opportunities for Republican candidates to win. Kasich surely will be a very strong candidate in 4 years time if the Donald has had enough.
Expect to see Canada feted as home of hip young liberalism - though they tend to forget that was afree a decade of tory government.0 -
He already keeps his fleet there when he is not using it, its home base so already well on its way.Charles said:
Could Scotland afford the license fee?malcolmg said:
I am going to campaign to have Prestwick airport renamed to TRUMP airport.Alanbrooke said:
she may need to cede that Golf course as US sovereign territory :-)malcolmg said:
She called that well wrongAlanbrooke said:
LOL wee Mrs McTurnip is currently looking at a crow and wondering how it tastes.malcolmg said:
Alan, Scotland has a president and soon we will be independent, happy days. Go "The Donald".Alanbrooke said:So does he take phone call from Nigel or Tezza first ?
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Well done Plato.
What also surprised me was being repeatedly told between midnight and 1.30am that 'it is over' in favour of Clinton. Until actual votes are counted and different demographics watched it's impossible to call something no matter how many people shouting on Twitter tell you otherwise.
Even exit polls can be wayward if one candidate is associated with something you wouldn't want to admit in public. That 'shy Trump' aspect seemed clear to some of us.
As for Nate Silver declaring that he would no longer include the LATimes tracker in his model 'because it has been an outlier all year' what a crass piece of cherry picking.
IBD/TIPP Tracker poll once again performed superbly.0 -
Worth standing back - Trump has done it by winning three large states all by just 1%:
FL
PA
MI
Switch those three and Clinton wins 298-240.0 -
Now waiting to collect my £350 from by bet for a Donald victory.0
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The US has elected its most dangerous leader. We all have plenty to fear
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-us-president-nightmare?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard0 -
Yep, millions of votes to come from California.Tissue_Price said:This popular vote market on Betfair is extraordinary. I genuinely think Clinton should be 1.01
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Okay: she repeatedly brought my 'illness' up in conversation and saying that I'd changed. It was bemusing, but also wrong and annoying. It was not just once, but repeatedly.Charles said:
Some people call unsubstantiated accusations "smears"JosiasJessop said:
Not to share. She knows. I daresay I'll be waiting a long time ...Charles said:
I've just the past few weeks but don't recall anything like @Jobabob 's systematic unpleasantness towards Miss Plato.JosiasJessop said:
Or the ones she threw.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.
Perhaps you have some specifics to share?
Care to take the 'smears' angle back?0 -
They both fought a good hard fight I thought.SimonStClare said:
It was a very nasty election, neither candidate had the opportunity to act Presidential.Pulpstar said:Trump slipped into presidential mode from candidate mode seamlessly imo.
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What will be Donald's first act as Pres? Any ideas?0
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Morning ELIZA. Hope you're well.malcolmg said:
Usual bile from you, show us your proof or just crawl away.JosiasJessop said:
Not to share. She knows. I daresay I'll be waiting a long time ...Charles said:
I've just the past few weeks but don't recall anything like @Jobabob 's systematic unpleasantness towards Miss Plato.JosiasJessop said:
Or the ones she threw.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.
Perhaps you have some specifics to share?
See my post a couple of minutes ago.0 -
You think? 0.6% behind at the moment. That's a fair few votes given the number counted.Tissue_Price said:This popular vote market on Betfair is extraordinary. I genuinely think Clinton should be 1.01
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If Trump bows out it will be Pence not Kasich, the Bush/Kasich wing of the GOP was as badly beaten last night as HillaryDavidL said:Total disaster for the Dems. Net gain of 1 in the Senate but still Republican, net gain of 5 in the House, still Republican, a chance to rebalance the Supreme Court for a generation and a reworking of the US Presidential map that opens up so many more opportunities for Republican candidates to win. Kasich surely will be a very strong candidate in 4 years time if the Donald has had enough.
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Rough Year For Many. French elections unlikely to be great for the left, what about Germany?Jonathan said:
Shaking or breaking? Time will tell.Alanbrooke said:Looks like the Anglosphere is shaking the world up a bit
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Your needle is very stuckAndyJS said:
Yep, millions of votes to come from California.Tissue_Price said:This popular vote market on Betfair is extraordinary. I genuinely think Clinton should be 1.01
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Sorry? If I want to say something a million times, that's what I'll do. Understand? Good.JennyFreeman said:
Your needle is very stuckAndyJS said:
Yep, millions of votes to come from California.Tissue_Price said:This popular vote market on Betfair is extraordinary. I genuinely think Clinton should be 1.01
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Jailing Hilary?Stark_Dawning said:What will be Donald's first act as Pres? Any ideas?
Discovering what investigations are ongoing into himself?
A round of golf in Scotland?
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So the lesson is trust your gut even if it makes you queasy. It's gonna be beautiful people. It's gonna be huge.0
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I admit I thought Ms Plato had lost her marbles.
I didn't join in the avalanche of abuse because I don't have a monopoly of marbles myself. I also believe Trump won't be as bad as many think. The Mexican wall was clearly an exaggeration and I suspect he'll tone down a lot of the rhetoric now - because that's all it was.
I wish America well.0 -
Good morning everyone. I am in the emotionally conflicted position of having won nearly £80K at Betfair on what I consider to be the most abhorrent major election result in the western world in my lifetime - the election in the US, with mass support, of a billionaire fascist demagogue who models his presentation on Hitler.
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Alistair said:
Plato went all wobbly wobbly didn't she and went for a narrow Cliton win?Sandpit said:Where's Miss @PlatoSaid this morning? Stand up and take a bow that lady.
The LA Times poll was nonsense and Silver was right to exclude. It predicted Trump winning the PV by 3-4 points whereas the most likely finish will be Clinton winning 0-1.JennyFreeman said:Well done Plato.
What also surprised me was being repeatedly told between midnight and 1.30am that 'it is over' in favour of Clinton. Until actual votes are counted and different demographics watched it's impossible to call something no matter how many people shouting on Twitter tell you otherwise.
Even exit polls can be wayward if one candidate is associated with something you wouldn't want to admit in public. That 'shy Trump' aspect seemed clear to some of us.
As for Nate Silver declaring that he would no longer include the LATimes tracker in his model 'because it has been an outlier all year' what a crass piece of cherry picking.
IBD/TIPP Tracker poll once again performed superbly.0 -
Why does everyone think Trump is going to summon the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse? Yes, he is a grotesque character on many levels. But he surrounded himself with people who got the job done for him. If he has the ability to surround himself with similarly smart folk to run America - he could yet be a very good President.
If he doesn't, he will lose the House and the Senate by 2018 and be a one-term dud.
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Well it has had a good run but in the present wave of nationalism and anti globalisation even the Arse must be finding it difficult to catch up!JackW said:Good Morning PBers ....
A new dawn has broken has it not .....
Firstly. Whilst @Plato is in the house :
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.0 -
Has Britain dodged a bullet by Cameron resigning after (but not because) he called Trump divisive, stupid and wrong?0
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and Paddy already paid out on Clinton. LOL.Tissue_Price said:0 -
Well, unless you're a Trumper, in which case it's party time.YellowSubmarine said:The US has elected its most dangerous leader. We all have plenty to fear
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-us-president-nightmare?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard0 -
frpenkridge said:
I suppose a British hedge fund could pay for a woman to go to America and launch a case in an American court to overturn the result.
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Nate is completely vindicated.JennyFreeman said:Well done Plato.
What also surprised me was being repeatedly told between midnight and 1.30am that 'it is over' in favour of Clinton.
Even exit polls can be wayward if one candidate is associated with something you wouldn't want to admit in public. That 'shy Trump' aspect seemed clear to some of us.
As for Nate Silver declaring that he would no longer include the LATimes tracker in his model 'because it has been an outlier all year' what a crass piece of cherry picking.
IBD/TIPP Tracker poll once again performed superbly.
He was basically right (25-33% chance of a trump victory) - and for the right reasons (polling MOE/ uncertainty) - although the LA times episode wasn't his finest hour.
That black Trump voter in Ohio was pretty much the story of the election.
An inconvenient truth.0 -
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MikeL said:
Worth standing back - Trump has done it by winning three large states all by just 1%:
FL
PA
MI
Switch those three and Clinton wins 298-240.
So what? And Florida wasn't 1%.0 -
I see the three talking heads on the bbc are all vermently anti-trump.0
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We still had that stupid debate in the Commons.DecrepitJohnL said:Has Britain dodged a bullet by Cameron resigning after (but not because) he called Trump divisive, stupid and wrong?
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WEll if that was the case it was wrong , but she received torents of abuse and has been vindicated so still stands that it was very nasty and just because some people did not like to hear her opinion. Sadly it is not an unknown phenomena on here if you are not following the herd.JosiasJessop said:
Morning ELIZA. Hope you're well.malcolmg said:
Usual bile from you, show us your proof or just crawl away.JosiasJessop said:
Not to share. She knows. I daresay I'll be waiting a long time ...Charles said:
I've just the past few weeks but don't recall anything like @Jobabob 's systematic unpleasantness towards Miss Plato.JosiasJessop said:
Or the ones she threw.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.
Perhaps you have some specifics to share?
See my post a couple of minutes ago.0 -
I congratulate your ARSE on a fine job in the past but for Trump your ARSE gave a loud Fart of empty air. Good luck on your ARSE's retirement.JackW said:Good Morning PBers ....
A new dawn has broken has it not .....
Firstly. Whilst @Plato is in the house :
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.
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I have gone in to try and salvage something from this election.AndyJS said:
Yep, millions of votes to come from California.Tissue_Price said:This popular vote market on Betfair is extraordinary. I genuinely think Clinton should be 1.01
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.1258289480 -
I expect most people in THIS country are...FrancisUrquhart said:I see the three talking heads on the bbc are all vermently anti-trump.
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They are probably reflecting most of this country.FrancisUrquhart said:I see the three talking heads on the bbc are all vermently anti-trump.
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What a thoroughly interesting night. 2016 delivers a shock result again.
Where does this leave the UK in terms of Brexit? Assuming Trump is favourable to us, could be a positive thing. I'm sure Europes answer to this as well will be the catastrophic "more Europe" mantra.0 -
Well done Plato. I am not a big better but I did put £50 on Trump well before he won the nomination, a very small consolation. I freely confess I had written it off believing the polls and the media while you kept pointing out the strength of the other voices who were not being heard. And in the end the voices that are not heard prevailed.PlatoSaid said:
I saw mention that two others wanted to retire - guess they won't be now. Trump IIRC published a list of potential candidates a few weeks ago.RobD said:Wow, I hadn't realised that the Senate hadn't confirmed a new Justice, so there is a vacancy right now!
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Paddy's Clinton payouts will have cost them peanuts compared to the publicity. I stand to be corrected by shadsy but generally the big (can we not say huge any more?) odds-on punters step in late, not months in advance.RobD said:
and Paddy already paid out on Clinton. LOL.Tissue_Price said:0 -
CUCKOODromedary said:Good morning everyone. I am in the emotionally conflicted position of having won nearly £80K at Betfair on what I consider to be the most abhorrent major election result in the western world in my lifetime - the election in the US, with mass support, of a billionaire fascist demagogue who models his presentation on Hitler.
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Tom Lehrer is supposed to have said when Henry Kissinger won the Nobel peace prize "Satire is Dead" Is Politics now also dead?0
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Perhaps, but it doesn't inform the viewer. Luckily Andrew Neal is very good.murali_s said:
I expect most people in THIS country are...FrancisUrquhart said:I see the three talking heads on the bbc are all vermently anti-trump.
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Amazingly, the Italian stock market is up this morning, while US futures point to down 5%.0
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I was really taken with Scott Adams many months ago - he crystallised what I was thinking on several levels.CD13 said:I admit I thought Ms Plato had lost her marbles.
I didn't join in the avalanche of abuse because I don't have a monopoly of marbles myself. I also believe Trump won't be as bad as many think. The Mexican wall was clearly an exaggeration and I suspect he'll tone down a lot of the rhetoric now - because that's all it was.
I wish America well.
For anyone interested - he's just done an intv that some may find interesting.
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LOL! How much have Paddy Power lost, paying out on Clinton early and now on Trump?Tissue_Price said:0 -
The final IBD/TIPP poll gave Trump a 2 point lead. He is almost certainly not going to have that.0
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You'll have to explain that one to me, Malcolm!malcolmg said:
CUCKOODromedary said:Good morning everyone. I am in the emotionally conflicted position of having won nearly £80K at Betfair on what I consider to be the most abhorrent major election result in the western world in my lifetime - the election in the US, with mass support, of a billionaire fascist demagogue who models his presentation on Hitler.
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But let's not forget today's important news - England are 199/3 and it's not even Tea time yet!0
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Cuckoo? His thoughts sound about right to me. I have relatives in the US (New York, Florida) who are shitting themselves right now. I'm just glad that my mum's Jamaican parents made the choice to come here in the 1950s, rather than America.malcolmg said:
CUCKOODromedary said:Good morning everyone. I am in the emotionally conflicted position of having won nearly £80K at Betfair on what I consider to be the most abhorrent major election result in the western world in my lifetime - the election in the US, with mass support, of a billionaire fascist demagogue who models his presentation on Hitler.
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I agree about some of the abuse. My point is that it was hardly all one-way.malcolmg said:
WEll if that was the case it was wrong , but she received torents of abuse and has been vindicated so still stands that it was very nasty and just because some people did not like to hear her opinion. Sadly it is not an unknown phenomena on here if you are not following the herd.JosiasJessop said:
Morning ELIZA. Hope you're well.malcolmg said:
Usual bile from you, show us your proof or just crawl away.JosiasJessop said:
Not to share. She knows. I daresay I'll be waiting a long time ...Charles said:
I've just the past few weeks but don't recall anything like @Jobabob 's systematic unpleasantness towards Miss Plato.JosiasJessop said:
Or the ones she threw.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:Congratulations to Plato for sticking to her guns despite the brickbats thrown.
Perhaps you have some specifics to share?
See my post a couple of minutes ago.
And I know all about your last sentence I'm pro-HS2. 0 -
So was the election rigged or not?
#confused
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No. Because politicians are slippery and although awkward in the light of events they can play stuff like that off, call it playing to the home crowd, that sort of thing.DecrepitJohnL said:Has Britain dodged a bullet by Cameron resigning after (but not because) he called Trump divisive, stupid and wrong?
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John Harris videos from US months ago picked this up ... again...like Tory GE & Brexit.0
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Perhaps no ARSE, but do drop by from time to time please.JackW said:Good Morning PBers ....
A new dawn has broken has it not .....
Firstly. Whilst @Plato is in the house :
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.0 -
Not rigged enough, like the EU ref!MarkHopkins said:
So was the election rigged or not?
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Mr. L, on flipping states: Sanders came damned close to winning far more early states than he did. Had he done so, he may well have been Trump's opponent.
And Clinton goes down in history as the worst loser in US political history.0 -
Yes, otherwise trump would have won every state ;-)MarkHopkins said:
So was the election rigged or not?
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Nah he's a berk. Even at 5 am he was still predicting better than evens for a Clinton win. He's an idiot.Pong said:
Nate is completely vindicated.JennyFreeman said:Well done Plato.
What also surprised me was being repeatedly told between midnight and 1.30am that 'it is over' in favour of Clinton.
Even exit polls can be wayward if one candidate is associated with something you wouldn't want to admit in public. That 'shy Trump' aspect seemed clear to some of us.
As for Nate Silver declaring that he would no longer include the LATimes tracker in his model 'because it has been an outlier all year' what a crass piece of cherry picking.
IBD/TIPP Tracker poll once again performed superbly.
He was basically right (25-33% chance of a trump victory) - and for the right reasons (polling MOE/ uncertainty) - although the LA times episode wasn't his finest hour.
That black Trump voter in Ohio was pretty much the story of the election.
An inconvenient truth.
Trump was always likeliest to win this vote as some of us pointed out.0 -
The survival of life on Earth is a left/right issue, is it? Who knew?Big_G_NorthWales said:Just been said that the Paris climate change deal is dead as a result of Trump's Presidency. This election has to have been the left's ultimate demise
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+1foxinsoxuk said:
Perhaps no ARSE, but do drop by from time to time please.JackW said:Good Morning PBers ....
A new dawn has broken has it not .....
Firstly. Whilst @Plato is in the house :
I congratulate you most heartily on your success, together with other PBers who saw this wave coming. Very well done. A stunning triumph - Trumpsters - Enjoy the adulation and bask long in your moment in the sun.
Whilst I mention a "wave" it will be a wave goodbye to the ARSE. We've enjoyed some huge wins over the past ten years on PB but all good things come to an end and I know when the time is to leave the field. And that time is now.
JackW is one of the few conservative (?) commentators on here whose posts I read with avid interest.0 -
His (non comedy) book on How to Win Big is worth watching.PlatoSaid said:
I was really taken with Scott Adams many months ago - he crystallised what I was thinking on several levels.CD13 said:I admit I thought Ms Plato had lost her marbles.
I didn't join in the avalanche of abuse because I don't have a monopoly of marbles myself. I also believe Trump won't be as bad as many think. The Mexican wall was clearly an exaggeration and I suspect he'll tone down a lot of the rhetoric now - because that's all it was.
I wish America well.
For anyone interested - he's just done an intv that some may find interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-sBO6OppAc0 -
ROoooooooooooooooooot...Sandpit said:But let's not forget today's important news - England are 199/3 and it's not even Tea time yet!
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Global warming is threatening to end all life on earth?Bromptonaut said:
The survival of life on Earth is a left/right issue, is it? Who knew?Big_G_NorthWales said:Just been said that the Paris climate change deal is dead as a result of Trump's Presidency. This election has to have been the left's ultimate demise
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Seeing those silly virtual fireworks on the BBC reminds me that Clinton cancelled hers. You always wonder what is going on inside the campaigns and when she first concluded that she was in serious trouble. I suspect it was sooner than we realised. Bit like some of the constituencies that Milband was visiting in the last few days of 2015.0
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Well the world just became a more dangerous place and I can see that he will be such a divisive figure in America there will be millions who will be producing a my god what have we done reaction.
The damage he is going to do to that country, one founded by immigrants and later multiculturalism is going to be huge.0 -
Trump will have trouble with his plans mind:
"His day one reforms include a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of congress and a five-year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service." [Telegraph]
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Mr. W, I hope you know that we don't just love your ARSE, and that, even if that's gone, you'll still be around.0
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Those who went all out and bet on a Clinton presidency must be mourning their losses this morning.0
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Swagger into the White House and say 'you're fired', Apprentice-style, to Obama.Stark_Dawning said:What will be Donald's first act as Pres? Any ideas?
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And I never thought I'd see the day when a video from vladtv is posted on PB!0
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It may be the end of the free trade era. Rising rather than falling tarrifsRazedabode said:What a thoroughly interesting night. 2016 delivers a shock result again.
Where does this leave the UK in terms of Brexit? Assuming Trump is favourable to us, could be a positive thing. I'm sure Europes answer to this as well will be the catastrophic "more Europe" mantra.0 -
Will be hugely popular in the country.rottenborough said:Trump will have trouble with his plans mind:
"His day one reforms include a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of congress and a five-year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service." [Telegraph]
Congress gonna vote for that?0
