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Facts. What do they show?TheScreamingEagles said:Looking via wayback machine, Michelle Obama hasn't tweeted anything since 2013
https://web.archive.org/web/20140415000000*/https://twitter.com/MichelleObama
And I believe the FLOTUS account is only used for non partisan stuff.0 -
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But-but-but the Russians! The KGB! Oh wait...
@HillaryClinton Left Classified Documents in China Hotel Room https://t.co/sREVhVUbnh0 -
Remember all that spam posted on here about how Bernie Sanders hates Hillary Clinton?Alistair said:
Facts. What do they show?TheScreamingEagles said:Looking via wayback machine, Michelle Obama hasn't tweeted anything since 2013
https://web.archive.org/web/20140415000000*/https://twitter.com/MichelleObama
And I believe the FLOTUS account is only used for non partisan stuff.
Just seen he's doing eight events for Hillary in the next few days/0 -
Clearly the former as means that decisions are taken on behalf of a smaller number of people and the decision making is closer to the people. Ideally we would go even further and devolve most governmental decisions to the local level although of course this is not practical for everything.williamglenn said:
Are English citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?Sean_F said:
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?Jobabob said:
If only that were true.TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.0 -
Elections make for strange bedfellowsTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember all that spam posted on here about how Bernie Sanders hates Hillary Clinton?Alistair said:
Facts. What do they show?TheScreamingEagles said:Looking via wayback machine, Michelle Obama hasn't tweeted anything since 2013
https://web.archive.org/web/20140415000000*/https://twitter.com/MichelleObama
And I believe the FLOTUS account is only used for non partisan stuff.
Just seen he's doing eight events for Hillary in the next few days/
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Whilst they had many good points and were very clever in their engineering (have you ever tried doing long division using Roman Numerals), the Romans were actually a very unpleasant people.Morris_Dancer said:The Romans used to crucify dogs.
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Hmm. Strictly from a geological point of view that is not true. Britain is very much part of the European continent and it is only a temporary quirk of nature that has us separated geographically. We are no less part of the continent of Europe than Sicily.David_Evershed said:
Whilst Britain is in Europe it is not on the Continent of Europe (which sometimes gets cut off by fog).williamglenn said:
And Britain is European. I'm afraid that's non-negotiable, Brexit or no Brexit.Sunil_Prasannan said:
European? Moi?williamglenn said:
If some racist told you you were not European, you'd agree with them. That's your problem.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I is British, thank you very much!0 -
You are talking five, eight, maybe even twelve centuries there.HurstLlama said:
Whilst they had many good points and were very clever in their engineering (have you ever tried doing long division using Roman Numerals), the Romans were actually a very unpleasant people.Morris_Dancer said:The Romans used to crucify dogs.
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The early Romans would throw slaves to their deaths off the Tarpian Rock, if required.0 -
Agreed. This is one reason why we have more in relation with the Anglosphere than we do with Europe.David_Evershed said:
Continental countries like France are very protectionist whilst the UK has always been a global trading nation which recognises the benefits of free trade. This is one reason for the lack of a cultural fit between the EU and the UK.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. It is entirely accurate.Jobabob said:
If only that were true.TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.0 -
Mr. Llama, they had an odd and complicated view of animals. Tiberius had a pet snake he fed by hand, and when Pompey tried having domesticated elephants killed for sport in the arena, the crowd jeered him.0
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In this instance, apparently that some people who spend their lives scouring the Internet for pro-Trump propaganda are incapable of finding Michelle Obama's Twitter account. Or so they pretend.Alistair said:
Facts. What do they show?TheScreamingEagles said:Looking via wayback machine, Michelle Obama hasn't tweeted anything since 2013
https://web.archive.org/web/20140415000000*/https://twitter.com/MichelleObama
And I believe the FLOTUS account is only used for non partisan stuff.0 -
"Australia curbs flow of disgruntled UK junior doctors
Visa conditions tightened after surge in interest from British medics"
https://www.ft.com/content/38513e9a-a029-11e6-86d5-4e36b35c35500 -
Well yes, Europe can mean many things. It can mean the whole continent from the Urals westwards, or all except the Russian bit, or the EU, or it can mean continental Europe. It's usually clear from the context, and while there's mischief to be had in exasperating continentals by referring to continental Europe as 'Europe', only the strangest would claim that the UK alone in the world is sui generis, sitting outside of continental classification.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hmm. Strictly from a geological point of view that is not true. Britain is very much part of the European continent and it is only a temporary quirk of nature that has us separated geographically. We are no less part of the continent of Europe than Sicily.David_Evershed said:
Whilst Britain is in Europe it is not on the Continent of Europe (which sometimes gets cut off by fog).williamglenn said:
And Britain is European. I'm afraid that's non-negotiable, Brexit or no Brexit.Sunil_Prasannan said:
European? Moi?williamglenn said:
If some racist told you you were not European, you'd agree with them. That's your problem.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I is British, thank you very much!
I wonder if the French have a word for 'all of Europe that is not France'?0 -
Vladimir Putin did it.TheScreamingEagles said:
No she hasn'tPlatoSaid said:Paul Joseph Watson
Has @MichelleObama deleted her tweets for the past 3 and a half years?
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Oh don't be silly the brietbart alt right don't let little things like facts get in the way.Chris said:
Oh - I think I see what's confusing you now.PlatoSaid said:Paul Joseph Watson
Has @MichelleObama deleted her tweets for the past 3 and a half years?
Yes
She used to tweet as MichelleObama until early 2013, but has tweeted as FLOTUS since then.0 -
Valentinian was very fond of his two pet she bears, Innocentia and Mica Aurea, to whom he would feed people who had offended him.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Llama, they had an odd and complicated view of animals. Tiberius had a pet snake he fed by hand, and when Pompey tried having domesticated elephants killed for sport in the arena, the crowd jeered him.
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You present the EU and the UK as alternative states. whereas I think most globalists would see them as complementary: the nation state and a supranational body with pooled sovereignty. So it isn't just how you answer the question, but the question itself, that determines your view. Those that see it as either/or versus those that see it as both/and.Sean_F said:
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?Jobabob said:
If only that were true.TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.
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Mr. F, I remember that (good old Innocent and Goldflake). I believe they were released into the wild after their master died of apoplexy.
He was probably the last proper emperor the West had. From memory, Majorian tried to remedy the situation, but it was too far gone.0 -
OGH is clearly a dis-believer and thus a tory stooge...
Clearly he is deeply rattled and ignores that the current Labour polling is merely the pull-back before the electoral tsunami returns to sweep the 'refreshing' reds to glory in 2020 and beyond.0 -
Except the direction of travel for the EU is towards a state.FF43 said:
You present the EU and the UK as alternative states. whereas I think most globalists would see them as complementary: the nation state and a supernational body with pooled sovereignty. So it isn't just how you answer the question, but the question itself, that determines your view. Those that see it as either/or versus those that see it as both/and.Sean_F said:
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?Jobabob said:
If only that were true.TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.0 -
Completely misreading Brexit sentiment brought pro-EU politicians to the point of being forced to call a referendum. And losing it.Richard_Tyndall said:
Agreed. This is one reason why we have more in relation with the Anglosphere than we do with Europe.David_Evershed said:
Continental countries like France are very protectionist whilst the UK has always been a global trading nation which recognises the benefits of free trade. This is one reason for the lack of a cultural fit between the EU and the UK.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. It is entirely accurate.Jobabob said:
If only that were true.TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.
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Or Russia.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hmm. Strictly from a geological point of view that is not true. Britain is very much part of the European continent and it is only a temporary quirk of nature that has us separated geographically. We are no less part of the continent of Europe than Sicily.David_Evershed said:
Whilst Britain is in Europe it is not on the Continent of Europe (which sometimes gets cut off by fog).williamglenn said:
And Britain is European. I'm afraid that's non-negotiable, Brexit or no Brexit.Sunil_Prasannan said:
European? Moi?williamglenn said:
If some racist told you you were not European, you'd agree with them. That's your problem.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I is British, thank you very much!
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There's only one direction of travel though. EU-wide institutions don't hand back powers to national institutions.FF43 said:
You present the EU and the UK as alternative states. whereas I think most globalists would see them as complementary: the nation state and a supranational body with pooled sovereignty. So it isn't just how you answer the question, but the question itself, that determines your view. Those that see it as either/or versus those that see it as both/and.Sean_F said:
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?Jobabob said:
If only that were true.TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.0 -
I'm writing a thread, and the picture for that thread will be that Guardian 'the day the polls turned' front page.Scrapheap_as_was said:OGH is clearly a dis-believer and thus a tory stooge...
Clearly he is deeply rattled and ignores that the current Labour polling is merely the pull-back before the electoral tsunami returns to sweep the 'refreshing' reds to glory in 2020 and beyond.0 -
Posh people moving to Croydon?HurstLlama said:
The effects of gentrification perhaps?AndyJS said:O/T
Interesting crime statistics — so far this year there have been 8 homicides in Croydon, 1 in Hackney, and zero in Lambeth.
http://www.murdermap.co.uk/investigate.asp0 -
@hugorifkind: After Trump wins & Russia invades Ukraine & Assad crushes Syria & WW3 looms the worst thing will be people saying "stop moaning" on Twitter.
@hugorifkind: "Only the metropolitan liberal elite are against the death of their children in a fiery global nuclear holocaust" they'll say."Get over it."
@hugorifkind: "But 50.001% of America voted to turn Earth into the end of Planet of The Apes," they'll say, "and thus the subject is closed, forever."0 -
People believe that. What people believe determines their judgments. In fact there is essentially no chance of the EU replacing the nation states. No-one important wants it. The EU's real problem, in a way, it is that is NOT a superstate, but is a kind of half way house. Whether you think it's a good idea, or indeed whether it works, depends on whether you think half a solution is better than no solution at allRobD said:
Except the direction of travel for the EU is towards a state.FF43 said:
You present the EU and the UK as alternative states. whereas I think most globalists would see them as complementary: the nation state and a supernational body with pooled sovereignty. So it isn't just how you answer the question, but the question itself, that determines your view. Those that see it as either/or versus those that see it as both/and.Sean_F said:
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?Jobabob said:
If only that were true.TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.0 -
Mr. 43, the Greek coalition that defeated the Persians became by small steps the Athenian empire. And there was only one city-state that wanted that to happen.0
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I wish he'd stop moaning....Scott_P said:@hugorifkind: After Trump wins & Russia invades Ukraine & Assad crushes Syria & WW3 looms the worst thing will be people saying "stop moaning" on Twitter.
@hugorifkind: "Only the metropolitan liberal elite are against the death of their children in a fiery global nuclear holocaust" they'll say."Get over it."
@hugorifkind: "But 50.001% of America voted to turn Earth into the end of Planet of The Apes," they'll say, "and thus the subject is closed, forever."0 -
EICIPM!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm writing a thread, and the picture for that thread will be that Guardian 'the day the polls turned' front page.Scrapheap_as_was said:OGH is clearly a dis-believer and thus a tory stooge...
Clearly he is deeply rattled and ignores that the current Labour polling is merely the pull-back before the electoral tsunami returns to sweep the 'refreshing' reds to glory in 2020 and beyond.
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@Scott_P
@hugorifkind: After Trump wins & Russia invades Ukraine & Assad crushes Syria & WW3 looms the worst thing will be people saying "stop moaning" on Twitter.
@hugorifkind: "Only the metropolitan liberal elite are against the death of their children in a fiery global nuclear holocaust" they'll say."Get over it."
@hugorifkind: "But 50.001% of America voted to turn Earth into the end of Planet of The Apes," they'll say, "and thus the subject is closed, forever."
Is he pissed or on drugs ?
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You do spoil us!TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm writing a thread, and the picture for that thread will be that Guardian 'the day the polls turned' front page.Scrapheap_as_was said:OGH is clearly a dis-believer and thus a tory stooge...
Clearly he is deeply rattled and ignores that the current Labour polling is merely the pull-back before the electoral tsunami returns to sweep the 'refreshing' reds to glory in 2020 and beyond.0 -
Must be nice to have control of immigrationAndyJS said:"Australia curbs flow of disgruntled UK junior doctors
Visa conditions tightened after surge in interest from British medics"
https://www.ft.com/content/38513e9a-a029-11e6-86d5-4e36b35c35500 -
But then there was the poena cullei. Not one for animal lovers, however you feel about parricide.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Llama, they had an odd and complicated view of animals. Tiberius had a pet snake he fed by hand, and when Pompey tried having domesticated elephants killed for sport in the arena, the crowd jeered him.
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It's one of the funniest passages in Gibbon.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. F, I remember that (good old Innocent and Goldflake). I believe they were released into the wild after their master died of apoplexy.
He was probably the last proper emperor the West had. From memory, Majorian tried to remedy the situation, but it was too far gone.0 -
Mr. Rex, was that the chap being put in a sack with a cock, a dog and a snake then tossed into the Thames?0
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Arizona - Data Orbital - Sample 550 - 29-30 Oct
Clinton 41 .. Trump 45
http://us12.campaign-archive1.com/?u=5a280d25318f2afe3f311adb6&id=215d65b9fa&e=0 -
Tiber, surely, Mr Dancer!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Rex, was that the chap being put in a sack with a cock, a dog and a snake then tossed into the Thames?
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Dr. Prasannan, congratulations on spotting the entirely deliberate error.0
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Probably the Tiber but yep, that was the one.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Rex, was that the chap being put in a sack with a cock, a dog and a snake then tossed into the Thames?
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There is no such thing as a citizen of England currently. I may well die one, though.williamglenn said:
Are English citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?Sean_F said:
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?Jobabob said:
If only that were true.TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.
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If Clinton loses (and her support in the polls is dropping faster than Monica Lewinski on Bill) then it probably won't be the e-mails and security, it is more likely to be the news that the FBI are investigating the Clinton Foundation.
(Unless Weiner can point directly to something really nasty (involving Clinton - I am sure there is plenty of nasty stuff on that laptop) and it comes out - pretty unlikely given that due process must be observed).
The question is: can she hang on?. It is going to be a long week.0 -
Whilst that'd normally have GOP strategists reaching for the sick bucket it is actually decent for Trump given his weakness with Latino voters.JackW said:Arizona - Data Orbital - Sample 550 - 29-30 Oct
Clinton 41 .. Trump 45
http://us12.campaign-archive1.com/?u=5a280d25318f2afe3f311adb6&id=215d65b9fa&e=0 -
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/793486511043817472
Just returned home to read this. Insanity. The excuse given is risible.0 -
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
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Cliff Richard.SouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .0 -
Joanna LumleySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
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Krooked KeithBlack_Rook said:https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/793486511043817472
Just returned home to read this. Insanity. The excuse given is risible. 0 -
Faria Chideya of 538 looks at how Mexican-Americans are influencing the contest in Arizona and more widely in the US :
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mexican-americans-are-reshaping-the-electoral-map-in-arizona-and-the-u-s/0 -
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Orwell & Kipling !0
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Even from a politicking point of view I simply don't understand this decision. It seems completely perverse.Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/793486511043817472
Just returned home to read this. Insanity. The excuse given is risible.0 -
A better poll for Trump but these small sample sizes irk me and more importantly is their structural weakness in polling Hispanics.Pulpstar said:
Whilst that'd normally have GOP strategists reaching for the sick bucket it is actually decent for Trump given his weakness with Latino voters.JackW said:Arizona - Data Orbital - Sample 550 - 29-30 Oct
Clinton 41 .. Trump 45
http://us12.campaign-archive1.com/?u=5a280d25318f2afe3f311adb6&id=215d65b9fa&e=0 -
Spike MilliganSouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .0 -
Hugo Rifkind or ScottP?john_zims said:@Scott_P
@hugorifkind: After Trump wins & Russia invades Ukraine & Assad crushes Syria & WW3 looms the worst thing will be people saying "stop moaning" on Twitter.
@hugorifkind: "Only the metropolitan liberal elite are against the death of their children in a fiery global nuclear holocaust" they'll say."Get over it."
@hugorifkind: "But 50.001% of America voted to turn Earth into the end of Planet of The Apes," they'll say, "and thus the subject is closed, forever."
Is he pissed or on drugs ?0 -
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Can anyone provide a reasonable explanation as to what the hell the Tories were playing at? So much for trying to improve their already poor image.Richard_Tyndall said:
Even from a politicking point of view I simply don't understand this decision. It seems completely perverse.Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/793486511043817472
Just returned home to read this. Insanity. The excuse given is risible.0 -
It is not just that people believe it, it is that in Europe it is regularly stated as an objective by politicians. It is also the fact that for the Euro to survive long term there needs to be just that sort of political union. To claim this is simply a matter of perception ignores all the basic indicators that it is still the direction of travel both by design and by necessity.FF43 said:
People believe that. What people believe determines their judgments. In fact there is essentially no chance of the EU replacing the nation states. No-one important wants it. The EU's real problem, in a way, it is that is NOT a superstate, but is a kind of half way house. Whether you think it's a good idea, or indeed whether it works, depends on whether you think half a solution is better than no solution at allRobD said:
Except the direction of travel for the EU is towards a state.FF43 said:
You present the EU and the UK as alternative states. whereas I think most globalists would see them as complementary: the nation state and a supernational body with pooled sovereignty. So it isn't just how you answer the question, but the question itself, that determines your view. Those that see it as either/or versus those that see it as both/and.Sean_F said:
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?Jobabob said:
If only that were true.TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.0 -
Isn't Krooked Keith a Labour MP?MP_SE said:
Can anyone provide a reasonable explanation as to what the hell the Tories were playing at? So much for trying to improve their already poor image.Richard_Tyndall said:
Even from a politicking point of view I simply don't understand this decision. It seems completely perverse.Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/793486511043817472
Just returned home to read this. Insanity. The excuse given is risible.0 -
Well at least as far as the Urals.Leedsprinter said:
Or Russia.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hmm. Strictly from a geological point of view that is not true. Britain is very much part of the European continent and it is only a temporary quirk of nature that has us separated geographically. We are no less part of the continent of Europe than Sicily.David_Evershed said:
Whilst Britain is in Europe it is not on the Continent of Europe (which sometimes gets cut off by fog).williamglenn said:
And Britain is European. I'm afraid that's non-negotiable, Brexit or no Brexit.Sunil_Prasannan said:
European? Moi?williamglenn said:
If some racist told you you were not European, you'd agree with them. That's your problem.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I is British, thank you very much!0 -
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .0 -
His 25th death anniversary is later this month.Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .0 -
Freddie Mercury?David_Evershed said:
Spike MilliganSouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .0 -
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?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !0 -
I see they managed to get a plane into the shot.MP_SE said:LOL @ Lib Dem logic.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/7934716644911144960 -
He was of Parsi descent though. And how exactly do you define "White" anyway?Pulpstar said:
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !0 -
Joanna LumleySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .0 -
I already mentioned her!MP_SE said:
Joanna LumleySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .0 -
Interesting list:Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Joanna Lumley
Vivien Leigh
Rudyard Kipling
Paddy Ashdown
Eric Blair
Bob Woolmer
Colin Cowdrey
William Thackery Makepeace
Gerald Durrell
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He is ethnically Parsi, as a group and personally from India.Pulpstar said:
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !0 -
can she hang on? Yes. Next.weejonnie said:If Clinton loses (and her support in the polls is dropping faster than Monica Lewinski on Bill) then it probably won't be the e-mails and security, it is more likely to be the news that the FBI are investigating the Clinton Foundation.
(Unless Weiner can point directly to something really nasty (involving Clinton - I am sure there is plenty of nasty stuff on that laptop) and it comes out - pretty unlikely given that due process must be observed).
The question is: can she hang on?. It is going to be a long week.0 -
He was Irish.David_Evershed said:
Spike MilliganSouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
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Are you leaving? That is a relief.Scott_P said:
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Biggles!Richard_Tyndall said:
Interesting list:Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Joanna Lumley
Vivien Leigh
Rudyard Kipling
Paddy Ashdown
Eric Blair
Bob Woolmer
Colin Cowdrey
William Thackery Makepeace
Gerald Durrell0 -
Brendan "Darkie" Hughes was also Irish.SouthamObserver said:
He was Irish.David_Evershed said:
Spike MilliganSouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .0 -
Strictly at the time he was born Ireland was still British.SouthamObserver said:
He was Irish.David_Evershed said:
Spike MilliganSouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .0 -
159 out of the 203 votes came from Tories.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't Krooked Keith a Labour MP?MP_SE said:
Can anyone provide a reasonable explanation as to what the hell the Tories were playing at? So much for trying to improve their already poor image.Richard_Tyndall said:
Even from a politicking point of view I simply don't understand this decision. It seems completely perverse.Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/793486511043817472
Just returned home to read this. Insanity. The excuse given is risible.
http://order-order.com/2016/11/01/tory-whips-saved-vaz/0 -
Sir Cliff was mentioned upthread.Richard_Tyndall said:
Interesting list:Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Joanna Lumley
Vivien Leigh
Rudyard Kipling
Paddy Ashdown
Eric Blair
Bob Woolmer
Colin Cowdrey
William Thackery Makepeace
Gerald Durrell0 -
You'll just have to go to Twitter to read the funniest tweets of the day.Richard_Tyndall said:0 -
I think he was genetically entirely Parsi?Carolus_Rex said:
He was of Parsi descent though. And how exactly do you define "White" anyway?Pulpstar said:
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
And my definition of "white" was "what the common person in the street considers them" - it's a sign of the tolerance of the UK that no one cared about his heritage one way or another0 -
She is worth two mentions!Sunil_Prasannan said:
I already mentioned her!MP_SE said:
Joanna LumleySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .0 -
Oops I thought you meant the Rebels!MP_SE said:
159 out of the 203 votes came from Tories.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't Krooked Keith a Labour MP?MP_SE said:
Can anyone provide a reasonable explanation as to what the hell the Tories were playing at? So much for trying to improve their already poor image.Richard_Tyndall said:
Even from a politicking point of view I simply don't understand this decision. It seems completely perverse.Black_Rook said:https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/793486511043817472
Just returned home to read this. Insanity. The excuse given is risible.
http://order-order.com/2016/11/01/tory-whips-saved-vaz/0 -
Latest Florida votesJackW said:
A better poll for Trump but these small sample sizes irk me and more importantly is their structural weakness in polling Hispanics.Pulpstar said:
Whilst that'd normally have GOP strategists reaching for the sick bucket it is actually decent for Trump given his weakness with Latino voters.JackW said:Arizona - Data Orbital - Sample 550 - 29-30 Oct
Clinton 41 .. Trump 45
http://us12.campaign-archive1.com/?u=5a280d25318f2afe3f311adb6&id=215d65b9fa&e=
Mail Provided (Not .. 436,754 516,412 31,045 289,185
Voted Vote-by-Mail 865,187 793,105 51,842 344,385
Voted Early in person 783,416 839,572 46,617 353,397
With the Republican lead in Voted by mail now up to 72,000 and the Democrat lead in Voted early 56,000 I think that this is better for the Republicans (who only held a net 9000 lead a couple of days ago).
However, as usual we don't know who they voted for, nor the independents.0 -
Curious bias towards the arts - or is that just the ones that we remember?Richard_Tyndall said:
Interesting list:Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Joanna Lumley
Vivien Leigh
Rudyard Kipling
Paddy Ashdown
Eric Blair
Bob Woolmer
Colin Cowdrey
William Thackery Makepeace
Gerald Durrell0 -
I find myself unable to stop thinking about those eyebrows. Wondering what happens when she's surprised.MP_SE said:LOL @ Lib Dem logic.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/7934716644911144960 -
But not when he died. He was an Irish citizen.Richard_Tyndall said:
Strictly at the time he was born Ireland was still British.SouthamObserver said:
He was Irish.David_Evershed said:
Spike MilliganSouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
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I just found a website that mentioned famous Brits born in India. It has more of course including plenty of Indian descent but that was kind of outside the scope of the discussion here.Charles said:
Curious bias towards the arts - or is that just the ones that we remember?Richard_Tyndall said:
Interesting list:Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Joanna Lumley
Vivien Leigh
Rudyard Kipling
Paddy Ashdown
Eric Blair
Bob Woolmer
Colin Cowdrey
William Thackery Makepeace
Gerald Durrell0 -
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?Richard_Tyndall said:
Interesting list:Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Joanna Lumley
Vivien Leigh
Rudyard Kipling
Paddy Ashdown
Eric Blair
Bob Woolmer
Colin Cowdrey
William Thackery Makepeace
Gerald Durrell
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0
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That seems a reasonable definition to me.Charles said:
I think he was genetically entirely Parsi?Carolus_Rex said:
He was of Parsi descent though. And how exactly do you define "White" anyway?Pulpstar said:
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
And my definition of "white" was "what the common person in the street considers them" - it's a sign of the tolerance of the UK that no one cared about his heritage one way or another0 -
Because he was white? :-)Charles said:
I think he was genetically entirely Parsi?Carolus_Rex said:
He was of Parsi descent though. And how exactly do you define "White" anyway?Pulpstar said:
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
And my definition of "white" was "what the common person in the street considers them" - it's a sign of the tolerance of the UK that no one cared about his heritage one way or another
0 -
Harsh but true.matt said:
I find myself unable to stop thinking about those eyebrows. Wondering what happens when she's surprised.MP_SE said:LOL @ Lib Dem logic.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/793471664491114496
Interestingly Teresa Gorman had tattooed eyebrows.0 -
Double post.SouthamObserver said:
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?Richard_Tyndall said:
Interesting list:Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Joanna Lumley
Vivien Leigh
Rudyard Kipling
Paddy Ashdown
Eric Blair
Bob Woolmer
Colin Cowdrey
William Thackery Makepeace
Gerald Durrell0 -
Depends what the massive Independents surge means.Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/Pulpstar/status/793507263315079168
This looks good for Trump to me.0 -
I am not sure it is racist to believe that Rudyard Kipling was not an Indian. I would be very surprised if he considered himself an Indian. Maybe Anglo-Indian, but that is very different.matt said:
We can't stop Indians being racist.SouthamObserver said:
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?Richard_Tyndall said:
Interesting list:Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Joanna Lumley
Vivien Leigh
Rudyard Kipling
Paddy Ashdown
Eric Blair
Bob Woolmer
Colin Cowdrey
William Thackery Makepeace
Gerald Durrell
0 -
One cant stop Indians being racists and ethnic nationalists. We don't have to apply the same debased standards.SouthamObserver said:
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?Richard_Tyndall said:
Interesting list:Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Joanna Lumley
Vivien Leigh
Rudyard Kipling
Paddy Ashdown
Eric Blair
Bob Woolmer
Colin Cowdrey
William Thackery Makepeace
Gerald Durrell0 -
I have no idea. Certainly I would count an Indian born in Britain as British. I see no reason why the reverse should not be true unless there is a specific legal impediment.SouthamObserver said:
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?Richard_Tyndall said:
Interesting list:Charles said:
Freddie MercurySouthamObserver said:
How many British Indians are white?Sunil_Prasannan said:
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?SouthamObserver said:
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.Sunil_Prasannan said:
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.SouthamObserver said:
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.Barnesian said:
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not all countries are in the EU!Barnesian said:
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?TGOHF said:
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.FF43 said:SeanT said:This is a brilliant essay on Brexit, Trump, populism, globalism. Whatever your persuasion: READ IT
http://www.humansandnature.org/the-ethics-of-globalism-nationalism-and-patriotism
It's incredibly perceptive, and full of insight.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
Joanna Lumley
Vivien Leigh
Rudyard Kipling
Paddy Ashdown
Eric Blair
Bob Woolmer
Colin Cowdrey
William Thackery Makepeace
Gerald Durrell0
