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Any number of circulatory conditions.williamglenn said:
Narcolepsy?PlatoSaid said:This is the worst video for me. She's totally without coordination.
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I thought her team looked pretty crap at dealing with it. The second person who helps suppprt her moves in far too late and is clearly surprised by her fall.PlatoSaid said:
Quite a few tweets are noting that her team seem to be well drilled on dealing with this experience.williamglenn said:
Maybe this is just the first time it's happened on camera but is actually a regular occurrence that is part of a manageable condition.PlatoSaid said:
She looks almost unconscious - if that were me, I'd be taking it seriously and going to hospital. The 90mins she went AWOL just adds to it.RobD said:
Worse still? Scared to even watch.PlatoSaid said:And another angle
#hillaryshealth BRAND NEW VIDEO ANGLE. THIS WAS NOT HEAT. SHE HAS BRAIN/CIRCULATION PROBLEMS https://t.co/bw61rMa4DT0 -
*grim laughter*MarqueeMark said:
That really doesn't look very Presidential. Unless the President is Ronald Reagan. And he's just been shot...PlatoSaid said:This is the worst video for me. She's totally without coordination.
What the hell causes this?
Another video of Hillary Clinton "collapsing" today, taken from a different angle https://t.co/rUGvNhkqzb0 -
"He'll probably mime someone having a stroke."glw said:So Trump should say "I hope Hilary is feeling well and campaigning again as soon as possible." i.e. She's ill but I'm being nice. He'll probably mime someone having a stroke.
That made me laugh out loud as being so hideously grotesque whilst utterly predictable....0 -
Working classes and lower middle classes who had been screwed by hyperinflation under Weimar.Dromedary said:
Who exactly? People like medics, police officers, aristocratic landowners, businessmen?Charles said:
Was he as anti biolshevik as the mensheviks?FrankBooth said:
His visceral anti-bolshevism? There was a good piece by Tim Stanley on why considering Hitler as left wing is silly. Can't be bothered to find it though.Charles said:
I'm sure we've had this debate before, but which of Hitler's policies do you regard as being objectively right wing?SouthamObserver said:
I am struggling to get my head around the fact that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy. Who'd have thought it?Alistair said:
I can call a dog a zebra, it doesn't make it a zebra.Paul_Bedfordshire said:Its hardly surprising. Most people think Hitler was right wing rather than extreme left wing despite the fact that he ran the German nations Socialist Workers Party.
I'd argue it was competition for the same power base that encouraged him to be so intrinsically opposed to them
And the Nazis were far more anti-Bolshevik than the Mensheviks were either before or after 1917, although to compare Nazis-versus-Bolsheviks with Mensheviks-versus-Bolsheviks is to overload the term "Bolsheviks".
The Junkers came later - they were suspicious of the Nazis (and vice versa) even throughout much of the war (e.g. von Stauffenburg was an entirely Junker plot). That's why Hindenberg was President initially.0 -
Double check your visa - I believe the US has some quite strict rules about acting as a journalist on a non-journalists visa.rcs1000 said:I'm on the West Coast this week. I was planning to be in SF on Wednesday evening, but may now go the Hillary rally in Nevada. I wonder if I can go as a Politicalbetting affiliated reporter
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PlatoSaid said:
Justin Miller
“They threw her in like she was a side of beef,” a senior law enforcement official told The Daily Beast. https://t.co/MoI0JzlVRl
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Indeed - The two public occasions Hilary was been obliged to attend in recent weeks has showed having a coughing fit at the Labor Day rally and secondly, taken seriously unwell at the 15th 9/11 memorial event. - Team Hilary must be horrified at the thought of another attack during a live debate on TV. – She had better be in good health from now on because all eyes will be on her public appearances between now and the election.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Can you imagine if something happens in a live debate?PlatoSaid said:
She looks almost unconscious - if that were me, I'd be taking it seriously and going to hospital. The 90mins she went AWOL just adds to it.RobD said:
Worse still? Scared to even watch.PlatoSaid said:And another angle
#hillaryshealth BRAND NEW VIDEO ANGLE. THIS WAS NOT HEAT. SHE HAS BRAIN/CIRCULATION PROBLEMS https://t.co/bw61rMa4DT0 -
I think defectors from the banned Russian team, rather than as a product of the war.tlg86 said:
A side benefit of a civil war? It was Jimmy Carr who got into trouble for this joke:Sandpit said:
Interesting to see Ukraine in third place, according to the Ukrainian Mrs Sandpit they have managed to unearth some good Paralympians in the weeks leading up to the Games...FrancisUrquhart said:
"Say what you like about those servicemen amputees from Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're going to have a fucking good Paralympic team in 2012."
http://tinyurl.com/gvjmj2u
Jimmy Carr's joke was fine, typical leftie moral guardians getting upset of behalf of those who would laugh along. There are indeed a fair few military veterans at the Paralympics.0 -
Better than running out of the room in a panic? At the time there was very partial information and it wasn't initially clear whether it was a tragic accident or an attack on AmericaYellowSubmarine said:
GWB kept reading to a group of school children for 20mins. Then flew to Nebraska.PlatoSaid said:John Durant
If Hillary can't make it through a 9/11 ceremony, how is she supposed to make it through an actual 9/11?
He flew to Orffut AFB at the instruction of the Secret Service and over his protests. He didn't spend long there before heading back to Washington.
There are many things to criticise Bush for, but his behaviour on the day of 9/11 is not one of them.0 -
One of my favourites from the Amateur Transplants:MarqueeMark said:
"He'll probably mime someone having a stroke."glw said:So Trump should say "I hope Hilary is feeling well and campaigning again as soon as possible." i.e. She's ill but I'm being nice. He'll probably mime someone having a stroke.
That made me laugh out loud as being so hideously grotesque whilst utterly predictable....
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Have to say - this has been an epic weekend for TeamHillary - yesterday we'd #TheDeplorables and today we've got #HillaryHealth0
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I wonder what they will publish on the last day of either Hillary's or Trump's presidencies.rcs1000 said:
The greatest story in that edition was: "Hijackers Surprised to Find Selves in Hell", although "God Clarifies Thou Shalt Not Kill Commandment" was also pretty awesome.Speedy said:
Everyone is going to make it an issue and talk about it, some may even make a " Weekend at Bernie's" parody , especially on the 15h anniversary of this:PlatoSaid said:
She looks almost unconscious - if that were me, I'd be taking it seriously and going to hospital. The 90mins she went AWOL just adds to it.RobD said:
Worse still? Scared to even watch.PlatoSaid said:And another angle
#hillaryshealth BRAND NEW VIDEO ANGLE. THIS WAS NOT HEAT. SHE HAS BRAIN/CIRCULATION PROBLEMS https://t.co/bw61rMa4DT
https://twitter.com/DoctorSyntax/status/775020950358196225
Lets hope it's something light and not "world comes to end" or "world is relieved".
It's very detrimental that the public believes that both Hillary and Trump would end up in disaster if they win. There is very little trust about their abilities in public.0 -
I don't have a visa, I'm travelling on the ESTA/visa waiver scheme.wasd said:
Double check your visa - I believe the US has some quite strict rules about acting as a journalist on a non-journalists visa.rcs1000 said:I'm on the West Coast this week. I was planning to be in SF on Wednesday evening, but may now go the Hillary rally in Nevada. I wonder if I can go as a Politicalbetting affiliated reporter
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Ah, good call. Yes, Jimmy's style is to tell an outrageous joke that makes people laugh at something they'd rather not be laughing at.Sandpit said:
I think defectors from the banned Russian team, rather than as a product of the war.tlg86 said:
A side benefit of a civil war? It was Jimmy Carr who got into trouble for this joke:Sandpit said:
Interesting to see Ukraine in third place, according to the Ukrainian Mrs Sandpit they have managed to unearth some good Paralympians in the weeks leading up to the Games...FrancisUrquhart said:
"Say what you like about those servicemen amputees from Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're going to have a fucking good Paralympic team in 2012."
http://tinyurl.com/gvjmj2u
Jimmy Carr's joke was fine, typical leftie moral guardians getting upset of behalf of those who would laugh along. There are indeed a fair few military veterans at the Paralympics.0 -
Have you tried standing one up?rcs1000 said:
What's steadier than a dead person?ThreeQuidder said:0 -
It was bound to happen:
https://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Screen-Shot-2016-08-21-at-5.09.51-AM-800x416.png
For those who don't get the reference, look up Weekend at Bernie's0 -
Welcome to the One Sick Puppy Club.....tlg86 said:
One of my favourites from the Amateur Transplants:MarqueeMark said:
"He'll probably mime someone having a stroke."glw said:So Trump should say "I hope Hilary is feeling well and campaigning again as soon as possible." i.e. She's ill but I'm being nice. He'll probably mime someone having a stroke.
That made me laugh out loud as being so hideously grotesque whilst utterly predictable....
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I think that I had commented yesterday that the only thing that could make Hillary's week worse was killing Obama on his golf cart.PlatoSaid said:Have to say - this has been an epic weekend for TeamHillary - yesterday we'd #TheDeplorables and today we've got #HillaryHealth
I was wrong.0 -
I'm going to have to take the fifth on that.Charles said:
Have you tried standing one up?rcs1000 said:
What's steadier than a dead person?ThreeQuidder said:0 -
The shocker for me is how far behind the US is. Shows how relatively little they put into their paralympic athletes. Kudos to the UK for supporting our paralympic athletes so well.Sandpit said:
Interesting to see Ukraine in third place, according to the Ukrainian Mrs Sandpit they have managed to unearth some good Paralympians in the weeks leading up to the Games...FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Very good. For some reason I think of that band every time there's a Tube strike ontlg86 said:
One of my favourites from the Amateur Transplants:MarqueeMark said:
"He'll probably mime someone having a stroke."glw said:So Trump should say "I hope Hilary is feeling well and campaigning again as soon as possible." i.e. She's ill but I'm being nice. He'll probably mime someone having a stroke.
That made me laugh out loud as being so hideously grotesque whilst utterly predictable....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-R00z0JSuw
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I saw them live the day after the 2010 general election; they were superb but annoyingly talented - I bet they went to private schools.Sandpit said:
Very good. For some reason I think of that band every time there's a Tube strike ontlg86 said:
One of my favourites from the Amateur Transplants:MarqueeMark said:
"He'll probably mime someone having a stroke."glw said:So Trump should say "I hope Hilary is feeling well and campaigning again as soon as possible." i.e. She's ill but I'm being nice. He'll probably mime someone having a stroke.
That made me laugh out loud as being so hideously grotesque whilst utterly predictable....
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-R00z0JSuw 0 -
Thank You for the link. I'm a way through it.PlatoSaid said:
It wasn't like that at all - this first person account is a superb read.YellowSubmarine said:
GWB kept reading to a group of school children for 20mins. Then flew to Nebraska.PlatoSaid said:John Durant
If Hillary can't make it through a 9/11 ceremony, how is she supposed to make it through an actual 9/11?
Rep. Adam Putnam: There’s some debate within the staff that I can hear about how the president needs to address the nation. They’re saying, “We can’t do it here. You can’t do it in front of fifth-graders.” The Secret Service is saying, “You’re doing it here or you’re not doing at all. We’re not taking the time to do it somewhere else. We need to get him secure.”
Dave Wilkinson: We’re talking to folks back at the White House, we’re beginning to get the motorcade up and running, getting the motorcycle cops back, we’re ready to evacuate at a moment’s notice. All of a sudden it hits me: The president’s the only one who doesn’t know that this plane has hit the second building. It was a discomfort to all of us that the president didn’t know. The event was dragging on, and that’s when Andy Card came out.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/were-the-only-plane-in-the-sky-214230#ixzz4JyED5GoX
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Say what you like about Hillary, but allegedly the shoe she left behind has a price tag of $5000.weejonnie said:
I think that I had commented yesterday that the only thing that could make Hillary's week worse was killing Obama on his golf cart.PlatoSaid said:Have to say - this has been an epic weekend for TeamHillary - yesterday we'd #TheDeplorables and today we've got #HillaryHealth
I was wrong.
https://twitter.com/Stef_Lion/status/775031314554683392
That's one very expensive shoe there.0 -
Surely Hillary will have to do a confessional health related interview at some point before election day.0
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Team GB provides funding and training to Paralympians on an equal basis to the Olympic athletes, maybe China is the only other country that does that.MTimT said:
The shocker for me is how far behind the US is. Shows how relatively little they put into their paralympic athletes. Kudos to the UK for supporting our paralympic athletes so well.Sandpit said:
Interesting to see Ukraine in third place, according to the Ukrainian Mrs Sandpit they have managed to unearth some good Paralympians in the weeks leading up to the Games...FrancisUrquhart said:
The USA would be able to storm the Paralympics if they put the effort in, they've got all the elite training facilities already. There's a comment somewhere about how injured veterans find themselves treated, or not, in the USA, and their attitude to disability in general, which might explain why this hasn't happened.0 -
$5k to the Clinton's is nothing....What they make for about 1 sentence of a speech.Speedy said:
Say what you like about Hillary, but allegedly the shoe she left behind has a price tag of $5000.weejonnie said:
I think that I had commented yesterday that the only thing that could make Hillary's week worse was killing Obama on his golf cart.PlatoSaid said:Have to say - this has been an epic weekend for TeamHillary - yesterday we'd #TheDeplorables and today we've got #HillaryHealth
I was wrong.
https://twitter.com/Stef_Lion/status/775031314554683392
That's one very expensive shoe there.0 -
Hillary's health is definitely going to have an impact.
Not only it's the first time that interest on Hillary is beating Trump on Google Trends, but she's beating him by a consistent margin of 3-1.
https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=now 1-d&geo=US&q=/m/0cqt90,/m/0d06m50 -
She's going to really struggle to avoid the subject after today. She's clearly been very ill, the rumour mill will make it more serious than it actually is, if she stays quiet. That's assuming she's not actually at death's door and being medically kept alive until the election is over.williamglenn said:Surely Hillary will have to do a confessional health related interview at some point before election day.
Oh, and @glw, proper laugh out loud comment on Trump's reaction.0 -
Which is why Trump is doing so wellFrancisUrquhart said:
$5k to the Clinton's is nothing....What they make for about 1 sentence of a speech.Speedy said:
Say what you like about Hillary, but allegedly the shoe she left behind has a price tag of $5000.weejonnie said:
I think that I had commented yesterday that the only thing that could make Hillary's week worse was killing Obama on his golf cart.PlatoSaid said:Have to say - this has been an epic weekend for TeamHillary - yesterday we'd #TheDeplorables and today we've got #HillaryHealth
I was wrong.
https://twitter.com/Stef_Lion/status/775031314554683392
That's one very expensive shoe there.0 -
That video of Hillary Clinton is so weird. She's leaning back on the concrete stump and when the van pulls up she cant put one foot in front of the other to get to it and then they drag her, evidenced by the zoom in angle where you see her feet dragging on the floor. She could stand up but obviously not actually move, walk or climb into the vehicle. That's not overheating it's something to do with her brain function.0
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Yesterday she was all over media for insulting millions of GOPers, now whether one agrees with her or not - it made her look pretty nasty and smug. Today she's clearly incapable for a period.Sandpit said:
She's going to really struggle to avoid the subject after today. She's clearly been very ill, the rumour mill will make it more serious than it actually is, if she stays quiet. That's assuming she's not actually at death's door and being medically kept alive until the election is over.williamglenn said:Surely Hillary will have to do a confessional health related interview at some point before election day.
Oh, and @glw, proper laugh out loud comment on Trump's reaction.
If you were a swing voter - what would you be thinking right now?!0 -
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That's a crucial issue, rumours.Sandpit said:
She's going to really struggle to avoid the subject after today. She's clearly been very ill, the rumour mill will make it more serious than it actually is, if she stays quiet. That's assuming she's not actually at death's door and being medically kept alive until the election is over.williamglenn said:Surely Hillary will have to do a confessional health related interview at some point before election day.
Oh, and @glw, proper laugh out loud comment on Trump's reaction.
Before this all the rumours and conspiracy theories about Hillary where dismissed from the media.
Now that it maybe that some of these rumours and conspiracies maybe true, the media will be forced to take them into account instead of dismissing them.0 -
Anthony Zurcher guy has zero impartiality about his reporting on American politics.SimonStClare said:An utterly pathetic report from the BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-373321060 -
The internet makes the BBC look impotent and obsolete, and that's a big problem for the BBC.SimonStClare said:An utterly pathetic report from the BBC.
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The more I think about this, the more I think this is a big, big win for Trump.
See, he says, I spoke the truth about Hillary's health when no-one else would.
It adds credibility to everything else he says.
There's only one problem. This increases the - admittedly still small - possibility that Clinton steps down before November. Imagine if she were to drop out tomorrow, and Kaine were to become the nominee.
I can't think of anything worse for the Trump campaign. Clinton is pretty much the only Democrat Trump beats.0 -
She should just do a honest press conference about her health, no one apart from the loon conspiracy theorists will hold it against her, and they won't vote for her any way and if she makes it relatable by saying x millions of Americans have this condition then it might help to fix the biggest problem she has which is being seen as too cold.williamglenn said:Surely Hillary will have to do a confessional health related interview at some point before election day.
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Nothing to see here - carry on.
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Of corse, the big story today has been the fact that Secretary Clinton left rather unceremoniously, having become overheated. We should say the weather has been horrific, very hot, extremely humid temperatures. She was adorned in a long-sleeved coat, a pantsuit. And so what we will see here now is her getting into the car. She was a little bit unstable there, not feeling too well. And, again, she had indicated to staffers around her as well as notably, probably, Secret Service officials that she was not feeling well, and she needed to leave the event. Of course, she certainly did not want to bring attention to herself if not feeling well, given the solemnity of the event going on there at Ground Zero commemorations there of 9/11. So those, again, pictures that we just got into us, and showing the Secretary leaving. She was a little bit wobbly. That’s I think, an appropriate word to use. You could see right there she had become overheated.
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MSNBC - from Breitbart.0 -
SimonStClare said:
An utterly pathetic report from the BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37332106
The implication is clear.BBC said:- Why is Trump questioning Clinton's health?
Mrs Clinton is 68. Republican candidate Donald Trump is 70.0 -
I have a friend who is obsessed by the idea of hosting a mummy unwrapping party.rcs1000 said:
I'm going to have to take the fifth on that.Charles said:
Have you tried standing one up?rcs1000 said:
What's steadier than a dead person?ThreeQuidder said:
(I do bear some responsibility for that - I had borrowed a mummy from a museum and arranged for him to be present at the unboxing - but he wants to take it one step further)
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But their mythical vans are going to be able to work out if you are watching iPlayer at home (without cracking your WIFI).Speedy said:
The internet makes the BBC look impotent and obsolete, and that's a big problem for the BBC.SimonStClare said:An utterly pathetic report from the BBC.
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I think even Clinton dropping out wouldn't be so bad for Trump as it would demonstrate that everyone around Clinton has been involved in covering up how bad things are.rcs1000 said:The more I think about this, the more I think this is a big, big win for Trump.
See, he says, I spoke the truth about Hillary's health when no-one else would.
It adds credibility to everything else he says.
There's only one problem. This increases the - admittedly still small - possibility that Clinton steps down before November. Imagine if she were to drop out tomorrow, and Kaine were to become the nominee.
I can't think of anything worse for the Trump campaign. Clinton is pretty much the only Democrat Trump beats.0 -
What I think will actually happen, in typical Hillary style:Speedy said:
That's a crucial issue, rumours.Sandpit said:
She's going to really struggle to avoid the subject after today. She's clearly been very ill, the rumour mill will make it more serious than it actually is, if she stays quiet. That's assuming she's not actually at death's door and being medically kept alive until the election is over.williamglenn said:Surely Hillary will have to do a confessional health related interview at some point before election day.
Oh, and @glw, proper laugh out loud comment on Trump's reaction.
Before this all the rumours and conspiracy theories about Hillary where dismissed from the media.
Now that it maybe that some of these rumours and conspiracies maybe true, the media will be forced to take them into account instead of dismissing them.
She'll set up a Big Interview with a friendly anchor, to Tell The Whole Truth. Trailed non-stop for three days.
But it will be pre recorded, questions seen the day before with scripted responses prepared, heavily edited and over-produced.
Then her team will go on a massive media offensive, saying she's answered all the questions and there's nothing more to say - while she's actually answered nothing at all.0 -
She won't drop out unless she drops dead.rcs1000 said:The more I think about this, the more I think this is a big, big win for Trump.
See, he says, I spoke the truth about Hillary's health when no-one else would.
It adds credibility to everything else he says.
There's only one problem. This increases the - admittedly still small - possibility that Clinton steps down before November. Imagine if she were to drop out tomorrow, and Kaine were to become the nominee.
I can't think of anything worse for the Trump campaign. Clinton is pretty much the only Democrat Trump beats.0 -
According to google, Humidity was between 44% -54% when Clinton was at this ceremony....NY can certainly be horrid in terms of temp / humidity in the middle of summer, but according to the data today wasn't one of those days.weejonnie said:Nothing to see here - carry on.
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Of corse, the big story today has been the fact that Secretary Clinton left rather unceremoniously, having become overheated. We should say the weather has been horrific, very hot, extremely humid temperatures. She was adorned in a long-sleeved coat, a pantsuit. And so what we will see here now is her getting into the car. She was a little bit unstable there, not feeling too well. And, again, she had indicated to staffers around her as well as notably, probably, Secret Service officials that she was not feeling well, and she needed to leave the event. Of course, she certainly did not want to bring attention to herself if not feeling well, given the solemnity of the event going on there at Ground Zero commemorations there of 9/11. So those, again, pictures that we just got into us, and showing the Secretary leaving. She was a little bit wobbly. That’s I think, an appropriate word to use. You could see right there she had become overheated.
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And admit that thanks to the surgeries and implants she's more machine than human being? Darth Clinton, they call her.nunu said:
She should just do a honest press conference about her health, no one apart from the loon conspiracy theorists will hold it against her, and they won't vote for her any way and if she makes it relatable by saying x millions of Americans have this condition then it might help to fix the biggest problem she has which is being seen as too cold.williamglenn said:Surely Hillary will have to do a confessional health related interview at some point before election day.
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Charles said:
I have a friend who is obsessed by the idea of hosting a mummy unwrapping party.rcs1000 said:
I'm going to have to take the fifth on that.Charles said:
Have you tried standing one up?rcs1000 said:
What's steadier than a dead person?ThreeQuidder said:
(I do bear some responsibility for that - I had borrowed a mummy from a museum and arranged for him to be present at the unboxing - but he wants to take it one step further) 0 -
The problem is that the explanation that's been given doesn't seem adequate to explain what the video shows, and it's not satisfactory that the electorate should have to speculate about whether a presidential candidate is suffering from a serious medical condition.Big_G_NorthWales said:She does seem to be ill and I would not want to speculate on how serious it is as there may be a perfectly reasonable explanation.
And also that this isn't an isolated incident. The previous well publicised photos of Clinton being supported by aides as she went up some steps didn't really look like a simple stumble.0 -
The interwebs really show the bias in spades.SimonStClare said:An utterly pathetic report from the BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37332106
When we can all read a variety of sources and commentary - and outlets with partial views, it's obvious.
I visit the BBC website less than once a month.0 -
That wasn't "a little bit wobbly", that was call an ambulance and go to hospital time. Now admittedly the Secret Service are the next best thing, and she would have likely had paramedics or doctors on immediate standby, and may have been examined for all we know. But anyone seeing those videos will know that if that was their relative they'd be either going to A&E themselves or calling an ambulance.weejonnie said:Nothing to see here - carry on.
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So those, again, pictures that we just got into us, and showing the Secretary leaving. She was a little bit wobbly. That’s I think, an appropriate word to use. You could see right there she had become overheated.
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MSNBC - from Breitbart.
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The Trump campaign should take a fine line approaching this.rcs1000 said:The more I think about this, the more I think this is a big, big win for Trump.
See, he says, I spoke the truth about Hillary's health when no-one else would.
It adds credibility to everything else he says.
There's only one problem. This increases the - admittedly still small - possibility that Clinton steps down before November. Imagine if she were to drop out tomorrow, and Kaine were to become the nominee.
I can't think of anything worse for the Trump campaign. Clinton is pretty much the only Democrat Trump beats.
But will Hillary call it quits less than 2 months before the election ?
I don't think so, but if the editorials from NBC start dumping on her there is a small chance.
But you have to read the tea leaves from New York very carefully.
Personally I think Hillary didn't do all those "deplorable" things all these years just to quit a few days before voting day.
She wants to be president at all costs, no matter what.0 -
Quick question, why do we put our hands over our mouths or chest when horrified?0
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I thought my interest in taxidermy was an unusual hobby.Charles said:
I have a friend who is obsessed by the idea of hosting a mummy unwrapping party.rcs1000 said:
I'm going to have to take the fifth on that.Charles said:
Have you tried standing one up?rcs1000 said:
What's steadier than a dead person?ThreeQuidder said:
(I do bear some responsibility for that - I had borrowed a mummy from a museum and arranged for him to be present at the unboxing - but he wants to take it one step further)0 -
Yes, if it's something that won't impair her ability to serve as president.nunu said:She should just do a honest press conference about her health, no one apart from the loon conspiracy theorists will hold it against her, and they won't vote for her any way and if she makes it relatable by saying x millions of Americans have this condition then it might help to fix the biggest problem she has which is being seen as too cold.
But if it's something more serious she obviously has a huge problem.0 -
She's a reputation for lying - this would just add more fuel to it. Who'd believe her?williamglenn said:
I think even Clinton dropping out wouldn't be so bad for Trump as it would demonstrate that everyone around Clinton has been involved in covering up how bad things are.rcs1000 said:The more I think about this, the more I think this is a big, big win for Trump.
See, he says, I spoke the truth about Hillary's health when no-one else would.
It adds credibility to everything else he says.
There's only one problem. This increases the - admittedly still small - possibility that Clinton steps down before November. Imagine if she were to drop out tomorrow, and Kaine were to become the nominee.
I can't think of anything worse for the Trump campaign. Clinton is pretty much the only Democrat Trump beats.0 -
I don't know where you are all getting this 'didn't look like heat stroke' line of thinking from. It looks exactly like heatstroke. Heatstroke affects the brain and motor functions.0
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Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.0
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Because it wasn't hot or humid. Seems a bit odd, early in the day, 80F, 50% Humidity, only there for a little while, seems odd set of conditions for getting heatstroke.Alistair said:I don't know where you are all getting this 'didn't look like heat stroke' line of thinking from. It looks exactly like heatstroke. Heatstroke affects the brain and motor functions.
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Her Big Press Conference after 270 days was actually a Trump bashing with 4 press questions.Sandpit said:
What I think will actually happen, in typical Hillary style:Speedy said:
That's a crucial issue, rumours.Sandpit said:
She's going to really struggle to avoid the subject after today. She's clearly been very ill, the rumour mill will make it more serious than it actually is, if she stays quiet. That's assuming she's not actually at death's door and being medically kept alive until the election is over.williamglenn said:Surely Hillary will have to do a confessional health related interview at some point before election day.
Oh, and @glw, proper laugh out loud comment on Trump's reaction.
Before this all the rumours and conspiracy theories about Hillary where dismissed from the media.
Now that it maybe that some of these rumours and conspiracies maybe true, the media will be forced to take them into account instead of dismissing them.
She'll set up a Big Interview with a friendly anchor, to Tell The Whole Truth. Trailed non-stop for three days.
But it will be pre recorded, questions seen the day before with scripted responses prepared, heavily edited and over-produced.
Then her team will go on a massive media offensive, saying she's answered all the questions and there's nothing more to say - while she's actually answered nothing at all.0 -
75F and 55 Humidity - and I saw hundreds of other people collapsing from it - including a 70 year old man with orange hair. NOT!Alistair said:I don't know where you are all getting this 'didn't look like heat stroke' line of thinking from. It looks exactly like heatstroke. Heatstroke affects the brain and motor functions.
Sorry - but your argument fails statistical analysis 101.0 -
Off-topic (continuing from last thread,) any chance that May could be planning to trigger an election next year after all? I think she has the numbers to get grammar schools through the Commons: support can be drafted from NI Unionists, Carswell and probably several Labour rebels, and would be a surprise if sufficient Tory MPs were willing to die in a ditch over changes that most of the party rank and file will support. Could defeat in Lords be used as pretext to go to the country?
As far as numbers above are concerned, most remarkable is the fact that all the age groups below pensioners split almost exactly evenly right and left - but maybe that's just an artefact of self-classification? A lot of young people may hold views similar to those of Jeremy Corbyn, but if most of their peers are in the same place politically then they may genuinely believe these views to be centrist, rather than particularly left-wing...?0 -
Oranged hair OAP wearing bullet proof suit....weejonnie said:
75F and 55 Humidity - and I saw hundreds of other people collapsing from it - including a 70 year old man with orange hair. NOT!Alistair said:I don't know where you are all getting this 'didn't look like heat stroke' line of thinking from. It looks exactly like heatstroke. Heatstroke affects the brain and motor functions.
Sorry - but your argument fails statistical analysis 101.0 -
I'd love to know what happened to make Joe Biden decide not to run.williamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
The Clintons got the whole party, except Sen. Sanders, to stand aside for her - if they've been hiding something from the whole party then it will be mayhem.*
*I meant mayhem within the party, but if Trump wins and the GOP hold the Senate, appoint SC judges etc, it will be like the sensible Labour people here who hate what the Tories are doing but are powerless to actually do anything about it.0 -
Well that's something good that could come out of it.williamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
Then President Trump will probably be succeeded by President Lisa Warren, just like the Simpsons prophesized.
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And the Labour PartySpeedy said:
The internet makes the BBC look impotent and obsolete, and that's a big problem for the BBC.SimonStClare said:An utterly pathetic report from the BBC.
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@YellowSubmarine
The Mail article from M&C Saatchi is here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-3783202/M-C-Saatchi-boss-reveals-EU-crusade-ruined-sharp-rebuke-highlights-ad-COULDN-T-use.html
The James McGrory article can be accessed here for Issue 10: http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/articles0 -
I doubt it Mr. Rook. Isn't the plan to issue a green paper on education reform? If so that is a very long way from anything approaching a bill which would require a Commons vote, let alone get to the Lords. I rather suspect that this is something that might possibly get into the fag end of this parliament but will probably become a manifesto commitment for 2020.Black_Rook said:Off-topic (continuing from last thread,) any chance that May could be planning to trigger an election next year after all? I think she has the numbers to get grammar schools through the Commons: support can be drafted from NI Unionists, Carswell and probably several Labour rebels, and would be a surprise if sufficient Tory MPs were willing to die in a ditch over changes that most of the party rank and file will support. Could defeat in Lords be used as pretext to go to the country?
As far as numbers above are concerned, most remarkable is the fact that all the age groups below pensioners split almost exactly evenly right and left - but maybe that's just an artefact of self-classification? A lot of young people may hold views similar to those of Jeremy Corbyn, but if most of their peers are in the same place politically then they may genuinely believe these views to be centrist, rather than particularly left-wing...?0 -
Selecting a grifter was always going to end in tears.williamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
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I might have read that Clinton surrogates were demanding to see Bernie's health records. Ironic considering he was giving 90 minute speeches in the searing heat of places like Arizona while some of the millennials behind looked as if they were going to collapse.Sandpit said:
I'd love to know what happened to make Joe Biden decide not to run.williamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
The Clintons got the whole party, except Sen. Sanders, to stand aside for her - if they've been hiding something from the whole party then it will be mayhem.*
*I meant mayhem within the party, but if Trump wins and the GOP hold the Senate, appoint SC judges etc, it will be like the sensible Labour people here who hate what the Tories are doing but are powerless to actually do anything about it.0 -
Maybe it is, but in the video if you look at her feet she is literally dragged into the van, she appears to be completely out of it. That would scare the hell out of me if that was a relative of mine. The NHS web site says call an ambulance in such circumstances.Alistair said:I don't know where you are all getting this 'didn't look like heat stroke' line of thinking from. It looks exactly like heatstroke. Heatstroke affects the brain and motor functions.
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FrancisUrquhart said:
Oranged hair OAP wearing bullet proof suit....weejonnie said:
75F and 55 Humidity - and I saw hundreds of other people collapsing from it - including a 70 year old man with orange hair. NOT!Alistair said:I don't know where you are all getting this 'didn't look like heat stroke' line of thinking from. It looks exactly like heatstroke. Heatstroke affects the brain and motor functions.
Sorry - but your argument fails statistical analysis 101.
I am not sure who was more lively, Hillary or the blow up doll the stag party guys took with them to the 9/11 memorial a few days ago.FrancisUrquhart said:
Oranged hair OAP wearing bullet proof suit....weejonnie said:
75F and 55 Humidity - and I saw hundreds of other people collapsing from it - including a 70 year old man with orange hair. NOT!Alistair said:I don't know where you are all getting this 'didn't look like heat stroke' line of thinking from. It looks exactly like heatstroke. Heatstroke affects the brain and motor functions.
Sorry - but your argument fails statistical analysis 101.0 -
Wonder if the Democrats may become ever more extreme - witness the support for Sanders and the violence of his supporters. Shades of Momentum there.MP_SE said:
Selecting a grifter was always going to end in tears.williamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
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Would still vote for a machine over Trump tbh, and bed bugs.rcs1000 said:
And admit that thanks to the surgeries and implants she's more machine than human being? Darth Clinton, they call her.nunu said:
She should just do a honest press conference about her health, no one apart from the loon conspiracy theorists will hold it against her, and they won't vote for her any way and if she makes it relatable by saying x millions of Americans have this condition then it might help to fix the biggest problem she has which is being seen as too cold.williamglenn said:Surely Hillary will have to do a confessional health related interview at some point before election day.
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That's a long time to boot a big initiative like this into the long grass. She's previously indicated that she wants to get things done other than Brexit. Creating a flagship policy and then leaving it on ice for four years doesn't conform to that aspiration.HurstLlama said:
I doubt it Mr. Rook. Isn't the plan to issue a green paper on education reform? If so that is a very long way from anything approaching a bill which would require a Commons vote, let alone get to the Lords. I rather suspect that this is something that might possibly get into the fag end of this parliament but will probably become a manifesto commitment for 2020.Black_Rook said:Off-topic (continuing from last thread,) any chance that May could be planning to trigger an election next year after all? I think she has the numbers to get grammar schools through the Commons: support can be drafted from NI Unionists, Carswell and probably several Labour rebels, and would be a surprise if sufficient Tory MPs were willing to die in a ditch over changes that most of the party rank and file will support. Could defeat in Lords be used as pretext to go to the country?
As far as numbers above are concerned, most remarkable is the fact that all the age groups below pensioners split almost exactly evenly right and left - but maybe that's just an artefact of self-classification? A lot of young people may hold views similar to those of Jeremy Corbyn, but if most of their peers are in the same place politically then they may genuinely believe these views to be centrist, rather than particularly left-wing...?0 -
They really are a thing...rcs1000 said:Charles said:
I have a friend who is obsessed by the idea of hosting a mummy unwrapping party.rcs1000 said:
I'm going to have to take the fifth on that.Charles said:
Have you tried standing one up?rcs1000 said:
What's steadier than a dead person?ThreeQuidder said:
(I do bear some responsibility for that - I had borrowed a mummy from a museum and arranged for him to be present at the unboxing - but he wants to take it one step further)
http://www.history.com/topics/ancient-history/ancient-egypt/videos/mummies-mummy-unwrapping-parties0 -
He inherited quite a lot in his mid 20s (he was fishing with his Dad when his father had a heart attack) and has since been busy running the family business and coming up with a seriously creative bucket listPlatoSaid said:
I thought my interest in taxidermy was an unusual hobby.Charles said:
I have a friend who is obsessed by the idea of hosting a mummy unwrapping party.rcs1000 said:
I'm going to have to take the fifth on that.Charles said:
Have you tried standing one up?rcs1000 said:
What's steadier than a dead person?ThreeQuidder said:
(I do bear some responsibility for that - I had borrowed a mummy from a museum and arranged for him to be present at the unboxing - but he wants to take it one step further) 0 -
If Trump wins the GOP will collapse, never mind the Democrats! The GOP establishment loathe himwilliamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
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That's one serious Oedipal complex..Charles said:
I have a friend who is obsessed by the idea of hosting a mummy unwrapping party.rcs1000 said:
I'm going to have to take the fifth on that.Charles said:
Have you tried standing one up?rcs1000 said:
What's steadier than a dead person?ThreeQuidder said:
(I do bear some responsibility for that - I had borrowed a mummy from a museum and arranged for him to be present at the unboxing - but he wants to take it one step further)0 -
I agree, Mr. Rook it is a long time, well a long time in the world of politics. However, we have speculation, possibly well-informed, that the idea was leaked ahead of plan and, if I am right that this is green paper stuff, both ideas which I find plausible, then I very much doubt it is to be used to try and force and early GE.Black_Rook said:
That's a long time to boot a big initiative like this into the long grass. She's previously indicated that she wants to get things done other than Brexit. Creating a flagship policy and then leaving it on ice for four years doesn't conform to that aspiration.HurstLlama said:
I doubt it Mr. Rook. Isn't the plan to issue a green paper on education reform? If so that is a very long way from anything approaching a bill which would require a Commons vote, let alone get to the Lords. I rather suspect that this is something that might possibly get into the fag end of this parliament but will probably become a manifesto commitment for 2020.Black_Rook said:Off-topic (continuing from last thread,) any chance that May could be planning to trigger an election next year after all? I think she has the numbers to get grammar schools through the Commons: support can be drafted from NI Unionists, Carswell and probably several Labour rebels, and would be a surprise if sufficient Tory MPs were willing to die in a ditch over changes that most of the party rank and file will support. Could defeat in Lords be used as pretext to go to the country?
As far as numbers above are concerned, most remarkable is the fact that all the age groups below pensioners split almost exactly evenly right and left - but maybe that's just an artefact of self-classification? A lot of young people may hold views similar to those of Jeremy Corbyn, but if most of their peers are in the same place politically then they may genuinely believe these views to be centrist, rather than particularly left-wing...?0 -
If Trump wins there will be a massive earthquake in both establishment parties. It will be the death of one era and the birth of another, which could prove to be messy.HYUFD said:
If Trump wins the GOP will collapse, never mind the Democrats! The GOP establishment loathe himwilliamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
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Yes. A Clinton presidency will be crony capitalism on crack.weejonnie said:
Wonder if the Democrats may become ever more extreme - witness the support for Sanders and the violence of his supporters. Shades of Momentum there.MP_SE said:
Selecting a grifter was always going to end in tears.williamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
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If Trump wins it will be Sanders or Warren who is the Democratic nominee in 2020, if Hillary wins it will be Cruz who is the GOP nominee. Either way the losing party will pick a radical next time.weejonnie said:
Wonder if the Democrats may become ever more extreme - witness the support for Sanders and the violence of his supporters. Shades of Momentum there.MP_SE said:
Selecting a grifter was always going to end in tears.williamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
Personally I am sticking to a very narrow Hillary win, her supporters would still vote for her over Trump even if she has to govern from a care home with 24 hour medical assistance. However a Hillary presidency will basically be a geriatric Nixon in a pantsuit0 -
It is neither her supporters nor Trump supporters who this incident is important for, it is the undecided who are importantHYUFD said:
If Trump wins it will be Sanders or Warren who is the Democratic nominee in 2020, if Hillary wins it will be Cruz who is the GOP nominee. Either way the losing party will pick a radical next time.weejonnie said:
Wonder if the Democrats may become ever more extreme - witness the support for Sanders and the violence of his supporters. Shades of Momentum there.MP_SE said:
Selecting a grifter was always going to end in tears.williamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
Personally I am sticking to a very narrow Hillary win, her supporters would still vote for her over Trump even if she has to govern from a care home with 24 hour medical assistance. However a Hillary presidency will basically be a geriatric Nixon in a pantsuit0 -
It would really would be Trump populist nationalism v Sanders liberal socialism in 2020MikeK said:
If Trump wins there will be a massive earthquake in both establishment parties. It will be the death of one era and the birth of another, which could prove to be messy.HYUFD said:
If Trump wins the GOP will collapse, never mind the Democrats! The GOP establishment loathe himwilliamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
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The undecideds are pretty small in number now, what is more likely to be important for them is the debates in a few weeks timeAlistair said:
It is neither her supporters nor Trump supporters who this incident is important for, it is the undecided who are importantHYUFD said:
If Trump wins it will be Sanders or Warren who is the Democratic nominee in 2020, if Hillary wins it will be Cruz who is the GOP nominee. Either way the losing party will pick a radical next time.weejonnie said:
Wonder if the Democrats may become ever more extreme - witness the support for Sanders and the violence of his supporters. Shades of Momentum there.MP_SE said:
Selecting a grifter was always going to end in tears.williamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
Personally I am sticking to a very narrow Hillary win, her supporters would still vote for her over Trump even if she has to govern from a care home with 24 hour medical assistance. However a Hillary presidency will basically be a geriatric Nixon in a pantsuit0 -
Sanders will be about 103 in 2020 - not a chance of him standing againHYUFD said:
If Trump wins it will be Sanders or Warren who is the Democratic nominee in 2020, if Hillary wins it will be Cruz who is the GOP nominee. Either way the losing party will pick a radical next time.weejonnie said:
Wonder if the Democrats may become ever more extreme - witness the support for Sanders and the violence of his supporters. Shades of Momentum there.MP_SE said:
Selecting a grifter was always going to end in tears.williamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
Personally I am sticking to a very narrow Hillary win, her supporters would still vote for her over Trump even if she has to govern from a care home with 24 hour medical assistance. However a Hillary presidency will basically be a geriatric Nixon in a pantsuit0 -
Most of the undecideds are crying out for a "Re-Open Nominations" option on the ballot paper!Alistair said:
It is neither her supporters nor Trump supporters who this incident is important for, it is the undecided who are importantHYUFD said:
If Trump wins it will be Sanders or Warren who is the Democratic nominee in 2020, if Hillary wins it will be Cruz who is the GOP nominee. Either way the losing party will pick a radical next time.weejonnie said:
Wonder if the Democrats may become ever more extreme - witness the support for Sanders and the violence of his supporters. Shades of Momentum there.MP_SE said:
Selecting a grifter was always going to end in tears.williamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
Personally I am sticking to a very narrow Hillary win, her supporters would still vote for her over Trump even if she has to govern from a care home with 24 hour medical assistance. However a Hillary presidency will basically be a geriatric Nixon in a pantsuit0 -
In that video the closest I have seen to her condition (many times) without needing medical attention is a post epileptic seizure condition. Epileptic seizures take a variety of forms, and the recovery can be from minutes to hours. Muscle control can be from zero to normal.0
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Horrible video for Hillary.
Lets take this one step at a time. This woman has a poor health record even for someone of her age. Many of these problems, such as the clots, have affected her brain. She claims to have had serious memory lapses whilst at State. She has frankly shown herself to be delusional at times (eg the Kosovo under fire landing). She avoids public challenge through press interviews. She looks terrible. She has now been seen collapsing twice.
She is clearly absolutely desperate to be the first woman President. She is willing to risk her life to achieve this. She has put herself in the position of the only person who can stop Trump becoming President. It is on even a simple analysis an unbelievably selfish and self-indulgent position. She is, literally, not fit to be President.0 -
That was clearly an incident where she was out of it, the fact that a shoe came off and was left behind indicates that (as well as panic amongst her security people). What it means healthwise I am not so sure other than the lady has some serious issues.glw said:
Maybe it is, but in the video if you look at her feet she is literally dragged into the van, she appears to be completely out of it. That would scare the hell out of me if that was a relative of mine. The NHS web site says call an ambulance in such circumstances.Alistair said:I don't know where you are all getting this 'didn't look like heat stroke' line of thinking from. It looks exactly like heatstroke. Heatstroke affects the brain and motor functions.
The apparent fast recovery means bugger all. I had a similar episode in my local pub years ago and before the ambulance could get there (called by the landlord) I was back, functioning, had finished my pint and was wondering whether I could get away with having another before the ambulance did turn up. The fact that I recovered quickly from the episode didn't mean that I was actually not well (hypotension caused by the tablets to fix the hypertension caused by kidney failure caused by feck knows, if you really want to know).0 -
Cough...brexit referendum....coughMikeK said:
If Trump wins there will be a massive earthquake in both establishment parties. It will be the death of one era and the birth of another, which could prove to be messy.HYUFD said:
If Trump wins the GOP will collapse, never mind the Democrats! The GOP establishment loathe himwilliamglenn said:Assuming Trump wins, the acrimony within the Democratic party is going to be severe when they realise what they've done by stitching up the race for a candidate who wasn't fit to run. I suspect the whole Clinton political machine will be purged from the party.
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What are the Clinton team going to do about the debates? Dose her up with adrenaline beforehand? Insist on a sit-down format? Find an excuse to cancel altogether? If she takes a tumble like that on live TV with undecided voters watching keenly, surely she's toast.0
