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  • How is Clinton going to manage the utterly insane schedule required of a candidate for POTUS for the next two months?

    How is Clinton going to manage the utterly insane schedule required of a POTUS for the next four years?
    Do what Obama does and play golf all day?
    Like British business men instead of exporting.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,840
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    3% think Cameron is left wing, 7% that Farage is left wing, 8% Blair is left wing.

    Given the number of Hard right Tories who thought Cameron was a LD, I'm a little surprised it is only 3% who think that.
    Even I think Cameron is a Liberal, but the public seems to think he is more right wing that either May or Farage.
    Which is also weird, as I'm sure I've read pieces suggesting Cameron is indeed pretty right wing, but the reason he was successful (prior to EU) was in general people regarded as pretty centrist and benign despite being pretty right wing.

    I think the public and commentariat are all very confused.
    We know one thing.... he wasn't neutral!
    For shame - and yet people said over and over he had no strong feelings on anything.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    It needs zooming in but you can see it clearly.
  • Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    It's too late now to take Clinton off the ballot. It may be different if she actually dies (I'm not sure) but if she is simply ill she would delegate her duties (on the campaign trail and in office if elected) as usual.
    Yeah, too late to remove her name from the ballot.

    What would happen I believe is she'd say if she won in November, she'd be inaugurated in January, but resign immediately and be replaced by Tim Kaine,
    That would upset lots of people with bets on Kaine. Time to make to make sure of laying Trump rather than backing Hillary, just in case.

    If Hillary goes sick, it will be a landslide for the Dems against Trump.

    Oh, and Eid Mubarak :)
    Thanks. We're celebrating it tomorrow. So glad it isn't today.

    I just know Trump and Farage would be saying 'look at all those Muslims celebrating on the anniversary of 9/11'
    Ha, we're just starting now in the sandpit - think I'll stay in for the next couple of days, rather than venture outside into the chaos that usually happens.

    Did you go to New Anfield yesterday? The new TV camera view from the top of the stand is going to take a bit of getting used to!
    I was there. Up in the clouds. The view was rather good.

    The acoustics are really good.

    If only David Moores and Rick Parry had gone down this route back in 2003.
    Cool, glad you got a good view to see us beat the champions!

    A trip there is on the list for next visit to the UK - at least the extra seats mean it's only bloody difficult rather than nigh on impossible to get a ticket!

    And yes, they should have done it years ago, they've been losing millions a year in revenues to the competition for too long.
    It also led to Hicks and Gillett taking over. Apparently the prawn sandwich brigade tickets are available. Only £129 for tickets and a three course meal.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/owen-smith-uk-join-euro-schengen/

    I was going to say titter, but this time I think 'tit' will do.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    jonny83 said:

    On a day when people are paying tribute to the victims of 9/11 15 years on Corbyn comes out with his pathetic, ignorant 'tribute'.

    Shameful. It would be better if he said nothing at all on the matter.

    It's catnip to Corbyn - just like Ken and Hitler.
  • In 80 Degree heat...if it was the usual NY summer temp / humidity, I reckon they could probably spin it. I've been in NYC when it was 100+ and it is not nice. But a nothing day in NY, looks very bad.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RobD said:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/owen-smith-uk-join-euro-schengen/

    I was going to say titter, but this time I think 'tit' will do.

    I agree.
    It's a good thing that Smith will never be Labour leader.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,840
    RobD said:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/owen-smith-uk-join-euro-schengen/

    I was going to say titter, but this time I think 'tit' will do.

    Ok, what is his game? I know the membership is pro_EU, but he's made that position clear, and while if he wins he can always roll back once May declares article 50 as it being too late to do anything to prevent Brexit, do too much talking about joining the Euro and so on will surely lead to harm in many strong Labour/Brexit areas.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    The retweet count is about +1000 evey time I refresh this page... It was 3500 - now 6500 5 mins later
  • RobD said:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/owen-smith-uk-join-euro-schengen/

    I was going to say titter, but this time I think 'tit' will do.

    Just when you thought he couldn't get worse, he says this.

    Is he trying to out-do Thornberry as to who can give the worst interview today?
  • Well we know what Trump attack ads are going to be now...cough cough...faint...cough cough..on repeat.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,840
    Her age need not be a concern, we know plenty of people that age could do that job, but if there were even in secret any doubts about her ability to physically cope don't the Dermocrats have the equivalent of men in grey suits to prevent someone becoming the candidate?
  • Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/owen-smith-uk-join-euro-schengen/

    I was going to say titter, but this time I think 'tit' will do.

    I agree.
    It's a good thing that Smith will never be Labour leader.
    Perhaps he is planning to run for leader of the LDs...
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/owen-smith-uk-join-euro-schengen/

    I was going to say titter, but this time I think 'tit' will do.

    I agree.
    It's a good thing that Smith will never be Labour leader.
    Perhaps he is planning to run for leader of the LDs...
    I don't think that he is capable of beating even Tim Farron.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited September 2016
    Speedy said:

    ttps://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/774993814025011200

    It needs zooming in but you can see it clearly.
    Well, I didn’t see her faint, but Hilary looks seriously unwell in that clip
    And the people around her know it.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    It needs zooming in but you can see it clearly.
    Well, I didn’t see her faint, but Hilary looks seriously unwell in that clip and the people around her know it.
    That's why I said it needs zooming in, you can see her collapse just as they drag her in the car.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Remember a few days ago there was that video posted on here about Clinton's supposed doctors note. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    In 80 Degree heat...if it was the usual NY summer temp / humidity, I reckon they could probably spin it. I've been in NYC when it was 100+ and it is not nice. But a nothing day in NY, looks very bad.

    And remember this was mid morning. 9.00am - 10.00am.
  • Speedy said:

    ttps://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/774993814025011200

    It needs zooming in but you can see it clearly.
    Well, I didn’t see her faint, but Hilary looks seriously unwell in that clip
    And the people around her know it.
    Well she faints / falls off the curb into the van.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    It needs zooming in but you can see it clearly.
    Well, I didn’t see her faint, but Hilary looks seriously unwell in that clip and the people around her know it.
    That's why I said it needs zooming in, you can see her collapse just as they drag her in the car.
    Haven't yet viewed the vid (don't want to without wifi) but OMG that sounds bad.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,367
    A clever move for Owen. He's read Animal Farm and has decided to be decisive. After all, Napoleon saw off Snowball and Stalin died in his bed (or was it a settee?) while Trotsky didn't.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Speedy said:

    ttps://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/774993814025011200

    It needs zooming in but you can see it clearly.
    Well, I didn’t see her faint, but Hilary looks seriously unwell in that clip
    And the people around her know it.
    Looked like she was being held up before car turned up - then collapsed when trying to walk three paces.
  • RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    It needs zooming in but you can see it clearly.
    Well, I didn’t see her faint, but Hilary looks seriously unwell in that clip and the people around her know it.
    That's why I said it needs zooming in, you can see her collapse just as they drag her in the car.
    Haven't yet viewed the vid (don't want to without wifi) but OMG that sounds bad.
    It looks bad. Maybe she just had flu and stupidly went to the event anyway. But boy it doesn't look great. Will be interesting to see how the Clintons dig themselves out of this one.

    There'll need to be a very large dead cat for Monday morning.
  • The same 'doctor' guy was standing there as she was helped into the car.

    It's very sad to watch.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    Anybody watched Stranger Things yet? It's got rave reviews, and a fantastic 80's soundtrack (The Clash, Joy Division...) but to me it is a bit weird - a mash-up of The Goonies and Alien....
  • It doesn't help that it was a black people carrier that looks vaguely like a hearse. She's also extremely stiff in the video which suggests she wasn't unconcious but couldn't move properly. We must hope it's not a second and much more serious embolism/emboli.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    RobD said:

    Remember a few days ago there was that video posted on here about Clinton's supposed doctors note. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

    She's done virtually nil campaigning for weeks - and very little planned - its very noticeable and odd.
  • Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/owen-smith-uk-join-euro-schengen/

    I was going to say titter, but this time I think 'tit' will do.

    I agree.
    It's a good thing that Smith will never be Labour leader.
    Perhaps he is planning to run for leader of the LDs...
    I don't think that he is capable of beating even Tim Farron.
    If Norman Lamb couldn't beat Tim Farron I can guarantee that Owen Smith couldn't.
  • weejonnie said:

    In 80 Degree heat...if it was the usual NY summer temp / humidity, I reckon they could probably spin it. I've been in NYC when it was 100+ and it is not nice. But a nothing day in NY, looks very bad.

    And remember this was mid morning. 9.00am - 10.00am.
    Is it just me or does it look very weird she is wearing shades on a day that isn't sunny and nobody else in any photo is...even the secret service aren't.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,840
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    It needs zooming in but you can see it clearly.
    Well, I didn’t see her faint, but Hilary looks seriously unwell in that clip and the people around her know it.
    That's why I said it needs zooming in, you can see her collapse just as they drag her in the car.
    Seems like she was propped up on the pillar for support beforehand, to be sure.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2016
    kle4 said:

    Her age need not be a concern, we know plenty of people that age could do that job, but if there were even in secret any doubts about her ability to physically cope don't the Dermocrats have the equivalent of men in grey suits to prevent someone becoming the candidate?
    She got rid of those men.
    Literally only the Democratic media in collusion with Obama can force her out.

    But for that to happen you will need NBC, the Washington Post and the N.Y.Times to really take a dump on her.

    They will have to convince her that there is no hope of beating Trump and make her accept that for the good of the country (and to beat Trump) she has to step down.
  • Odds shortening on all other POTUS candiates on Oddschecker. Tim Kaine in to 66/1 with Ladbrokes. You can still get 200/1 with Coral. Biden's odds have halved in the last hour -too late to get him on the ballot, surely?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited September 2016
    Convenient...just as she leaves apartment, a cute little girl appears, to give her a hug.

    https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/774998045243170816?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Convenient...just as she leaves apartment, a cute little girl appears to give her a hug.

    ttps://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/774998045243170816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    The Clinton News Network are just embarrassing shadows of their former selves.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    edited September 2016

    Convenient...just as she leaves apartment, a cute little girl appears to give her a hug.

    https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/774998045243170816?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

    Are to suggested she absorbs energy from the younglings to survive?
  • Having had bilateral pulmonary embolism I find that video really triggering. I'm a bit freaked to be honest. And of course it's utterly consistent with Flu or Food poisoning or chronic fatigue etc etc. We don't know. I just hope for her sake it's not another blood clot.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Sunny Hundal
    Breaking: Police say they're arrested 55 people and seized a "significant" number of knives from occupiers who stopped interfaith marriage
  • Convenient...just as she leaves apartment, a cute little girl appears, to give her a hug.

    https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/774998045243170816?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

    The damage is done now - the internet cannot unsee the collapse videos. No amount of news management can change that now
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    Thank goodness Trump is the healthiest man his Dr has ever seen!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    Hillary's health: this is from six weeks back -

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/31/doctor-says-hillary-clinton-is-fit-to-serve/?_r=0

    "While Mrs. Clinton experienced blood clots in 1998, 2009 and 2012, tests showed that she did not have any underlying disorder that put her at an increased risk of the clots."

    But also worth noting that Bill Clinton says his wife's 2012 concussion took six months of "very serious work" for her to get over.

    Have the Democrats got themselves a lame-duck nominee?
  • Convenient...just as she leaves apartment, a cute little girl appears, to give her a hug.

    https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/774998045243170816?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

    The damage is done now - the internet cannot unsee the collapse videos. No amount of news management can change that now
    Its clear they are going to try there damn hardest.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Odds shortening on all other POTUS candiates on Oddschecker. Tim Kaine in to 66/1 with Ladbrokes. You can still get 200/1 with Coral. Biden's odds have halved in the last hour -too late to get him on the ballot, surely?

    No one else can get on the ballot that isn't already on the ballot.

    The ballot papers have already been printed out, early voting started on Friday.

    So no Biden, only Kaine or Pence.

    But certainly we are in a situation where it's possible neither Hillary nor Trump are elected.

    Which is actually a dream if you where a Washington insider, since voters hate both.

    If their hopes where to get rid of either President Hillary or President Trump as soon as possible, well they might get rid of both before they even become president.

    All they need to do is force the withdrawal of one of the two and neither of them will win, and right now Hillary looks like the most vulnerable.
  • RobD said:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/owen-smith-uk-join-euro-schengen/

    I was going to say titter, but this time I think 'tit' will do.

    At least he understands what rejoining would mean.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Zeke Millar
    Per pool campaign says Clinton is going home to chappaqua. Reporters are still holding in manhattan. No word on if she saw a doctor
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158

    RobD said:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/owen-smith-uk-join-euro-schengen/

    I was going to say titter, but this time I think 'tit' will do.

    At least he understands what rejoining would mean.
    Fair point!
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Anita Kumar
    Not only did @HillaryClinton leave her pool at 9:30 am, no information was provided until 90 mins later about where she was
  • Miss Plato, isn't a knife one of five items a Sikh is meant to have on them at all times?

    Could be wrong, but if so that is a pretty straightforward explanation.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,591
    edited September 2016

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    It's too late now to take Clinton off the ballot. It may be different if she actually dies (I'm not sure) but if she is simply ill she would delegate her duties (on the campaign trail and in office if elected) as usual.
    Yeah, too late to remove her name from the ballot.

    What would happen I believe is she'd say if she won in November, she'd be inaugurated in January, but resign immediately and be replaced by Tim Kaine,
    That would upset lots of people with bets on Kaine. Time to make to make sure of laying Trump rather than backing Hillary, just in case.

    If Hillary goes sick, it will be a landslide for the Dems against Trump.

    Oh, and Eid Mubarak :)
    Thanks. We're celebrating it tomorrow. So glad it isn't today.

    I just know Trump and Farage would be saying 'look at all those Muslims celebrating on the anniversary of 9/11'
    Ha, we're just starting now in the sandpit - think I'll stay in for the next couple of days, rather than venture outside into the chaos that usually happens.

    Did you go to New Anfield yesterday? The new TV camera view from the top of the stand is going to take a bit of getting used to!
    I was there. Up in the clouds. The view was rather good.

    The acoustics are really good.

    If only David Moores and Rick Parry had gone down this route back in 2003.
    Cool, glad you got a good view to see us beat the champions!

    A trip there is on the list for next visit to the UK - at least the extra seats mean it's only bloody difficult rather than nigh on impossible to get a ticket!

    And yes, they should have done it years ago, they've been losing millions a year in revenues to the competition for too long.
    It also led to Hicks and Gillett taking over. Apparently the prawn sandwich brigade tickets are available. Only £129 for tickets and a three course meal.
    Ooh, that could be tempting for a one-off trip. Will do some digging when I know the dates I'll be back. Thanks.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Mark Halpern
    Pro tip & reality: If you have some physical issue on campaign trail & ditch your press pool, rumor/conspiracies will flourish.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Iain Martin
    Overheated Hillary Clinton's collapse shows a terrible candidate in deep trouble. (My latest for Reaction) https://t.co/2HWosbTXoo
  • Trump needs to be up against Hillary to have even an outside chance, doesn't he?
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/owen-smith-uk-join-euro-schengen/

    I was going to say titter, but this time I think 'tit' will do.

    At least he understands what rejoining would mean.
    Fair point!
    So we best not leave, as when we rejoin in a decade or so, we'll have a far worse deal that what we have now.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    News Executive
    UPDATE: Another video from a different angle, Don't have credit,whoever took this please let me know & I will credit https://t.co/DZ8Bem5af9
  • Speedy said:

    Odds shortening on all other POTUS candiates on Oddschecker. Tim Kaine in to 66/1 with Ladbrokes. You can still get 200/1 with Coral. Biden's odds have halved in the last hour -too late to get him on the ballot, surely?

    No one else can get on the ballot that isn't already on the ballot.

    The ballot papers have already been printed out, early voting started on Friday.

    So no Biden, only Kaine or Pence.

    But certainly we are in a situation where it's possible neither Hillary nor Trump are elected.

    Which is actually a dream if you where a Washington insider, since voters hate both.

    If their hopes where to get rid of either President Hillary or President Trump as soon as possible, well they might get rid of both before they even become president.

    All they need to do is force the withdrawal of one of the two and neither of them will win, and right now Hillary looks like the most vulnerable.
    Excellent, this confirms my decision to make a small wager on Kaine. Bloody hell, this is one of the most insane political races I have ever seen.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    "Hillary's Health Concerns Serious, Say Most Doctors Polled by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)" (article)(data)

    Concerns about Hillary Clinton's health are "serious -- could be disqualifying for the position of President of the U.S.," say nearly 71% of 250 physicians responding to an informal internet survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS).

    About 20% said concerns were "likely overblown, but should be addressed as by full release of medical records." Only 2.7% responded that they were "just a political attack; I have confidence in the letter from her physician and see no cause for concern." While more than 81% were aware of her history of a concussion, only 59% were aware of the cerebral sinus thrombosis, and 52% of the history of deep venous thrombosis. More than 78% said the health concerns had received "not enough emphasis" in the media, and only 2.7% that there had been "too much emphasis."


    It looks like a bit of a voodoo poll (no, Sunil, just walk away from the joke) but interesting nevertheless.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,158
    PlatoSaid said:

    News Executive
    UPDATE: Another video from a different angle, Don't have credit,whoever took this please let me know & I will credit https://t.co/DZ8Bem5af9

    a large part of me doesn't want to click on that. Quite sad.
  • Trump needs to be up against Hillary to have even an outside chance, doesn't he?

    His best and only chance is against Hillary.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,930
    GeoffM said:

    Mr. F, but that is self-identifying. In psychology, people are notoriously bad at self-identifying their own personality.

    There's a natural tendency to drift to the middle/centre anyway.

    Also, where does it show half of people falling into right wing views and 24% into left wing?

    Indeed. I am anti-EU, pro-death penalty, free-trade, anti-islam, pro-gun ownership and I support a return to a hereditaries-only Lords.

    I self-identify as Centre. Possibly Centre-Right if you factor in my pro field sports thing too. But I'd have stuck myself in the 45% group.
    Anti UK membership of the EU is not a left-wing, right-wing thing. There are people like KLE who is (or was) a LibDem and who voted Out; there are many Labour Leavers (and who ran the best Out campaign around).

    Pro death penalty means you have a disturbing degree of confidence in the state to get things right.

    Pro free trade is, I think, a very centrist position. Through history, it has tended to be the left and the right who have tended to promote protectionism of one sort or another.

    Anti Islam: if you mean you worry about the tolerence of intolerence, than that is centrist. If you mean you don't believe people should be able to believe in whichever God they like, then that is absurd.

    Pro gun ownership: well, that's a libertarian thing, presumably.

    You are free to carry a gun, but not free to believe Mohammed is a prophet is a curiously intellectually incoherent set of beliefs.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Speedy said:


    So mystery candidate x would win, or rather the VP picks, but how many have placed a bet on Tim Kaine or Mike Pence to win ?

    I'm Green across the board.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Don't look now OGH.

    Hillary is crashing on the betting markets.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296
    PlatoSaid said:

    News Executive
    UPDATE: Another video from a different angle, Don't have credit,whoever took this please let me know & I will credit https://t.co/DZ8Bem5af9

    Put a fork in her, she's done.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    RobD said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    News Executive
    UPDATE: Another video from a different angle, Don't have credit,whoever took this please let me know & I will credit https://t.co/DZ8Bem5af9

    a large part of me doesn't want to click on that. Quite sad.
    The cruelest comment on that stream is "I've seen this movie before - Weekend at Hillary's"
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited September 2016

    Speedy said:

    ttps://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/774993814025011200

    It needs zooming in but you can see it clearly.
    Well, I didn’t see her faint, but Hilary looks seriously unwell in that clip
    And the people around her know it.
    Didn't see her faint? She looked unconcious. She was propped up on the pillar and having her weight supported by an aide. And then by two aides, she was catatonic.

    That video clip blows this election wide open. All pronouncements I have made previously are voided. This is now Trump's to lose.
  • Speedy said:

    Don't look now OGH.

    Hillary is crashing on the betting markets.

    Nothing ever happens when OGH is on his holibobs...
  • They need to try and make a strength out of their weakest point which is the footage. " What cover up ? Someone was able to film Hillary close up even when needing assiatence. Right in front of her Secret Service protection. This is a free country and that's how it should be. "
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,840
    rcs1000 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Mr. F, but that is self-identifying. In psychology, people are notoriously bad at self-identifying their own personality.

    There's a natural tendency to drift to the middle/centre anyway.

    Also, where does it show half of people falling into right wing views and 24% into left wing?

    Indeed. I am anti-EU, pro-death penalty, free-trade, anti-islam, pro-gun ownership and I support a return to a hereditaries-only Lords.

    I self-identify as Centre. Possibly Centre-Right if you factor in my pro field sports thing too. But I'd have stuck myself in the 45% group.
    Anti UK membership of the EU is not a left-wing, right-wing thing. There are people like KLE who is (or was) a LibDem and who voted Out; there are many Labour Leavers (and who ran the best Out campaign around).

    s.
    I vote LD most frequently, but would not say I am or was a LD. PClipp voted out I believe and is a definite LD I think.

    Political Compass tells me I'm closest to Plaid Cymru for what it's worth!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,840
    People are writing off Hilary? Sounds like an opportunity, monetary wise, cold blooded as that is to think.
  • Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    It's too late now to take Clinton off the ballot. It may be different if she actually dies (I'm not sure) but if she is simply ill she would delegate her duties (on the campaign trail and in office if elected) as usual.
    Yeah, too late to remove her name from the ballot.

    What would happen I believe is she'd say if she won in November, she'd be inaugurated in January, but resign immediately and be replaced by Tim Kaine,
    That would upset lots of people with bets on Kaine. Time to make to make sure of laying Trump rather than backing Hillary, just in case.

    If Hillary goes sick, it will be a landslide for the Dems against Trump.

    Oh, and Eid Mubarak :)
    Thanks. We're celebrating it tomorrow. So glad it isn't today.

    I just know Trump and Farage would be saying 'look at all those Muslims celebrating on the anniversary of 9/11'
    Ha, we're just starting now in the sandpit - think I'll stay in for the next couple of days, rather than venture outside into the chaos that usually happens.

    Did you go to New Anfield yesterday? The new TV camera view from the top of the stand is going to take a bit of getting used to!
    I was there. Up in the clouds. The view was rather good.

    The acoustics are really good.

    If only David Moores and Rick Parry had gone down this route back in 2003.
    Cool, glad you got a good view to see us beat the champions!

    A trip there is on the list for next visit to the UK - at least the extra seats mean it's only bloody difficult rather than nigh on impossible to get a ticket!

    And yes, they should have done it years ago, they've been losing millions a year in revenues to the competition for too long.
    It also led to Hicks and Gillett taking over. Apparently the prawn sandwich brigade tickets are available. Only £129 for tickets and a three course meal.
    Ooh, that could be tempting for a one-off trip. Will do some digging when I know the dates I'll be back. Thanks.
    Click available fixtures option and you should get an idea

    http://hospitality.liverpoolfc.com/
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,930
    GeoffM said:

    "Hillary's Health Concerns Serious, Say Most Doctors Polled by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)" (article)(data)

    Concerns about Hillary Clinton's health are "serious -- could be disqualifying for the position of President of the U.S.," say nearly 71% of 250 physicians responding to an informal internet survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS).

    About 20% said concerns were "likely overblown, but should be addressed as by full release of medical records." Only 2.7% responded that they were "just a political attack; I have confidence in the letter from her physician and see no cause for concern." While more than 81% were aware of her history of a concussion, only 59% were aware of the cerebral sinus thrombosis, and 52% of the history of deep venous thrombosis. More than 78% said the health concerns had received "not enough emphasis" in the media, and only 2.7% that there had been "too much emphasis."


    It looks like a bit of a voodoo poll (no, Sunil, just walk away from the joke) but interesting nevertheless.

    That organisation isn't a serious doctor's group: they're a pressure group founded to fight against the socialisation of US medicine.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited September 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    News Executive
    UPDATE: Another video from a different angle, Don't have credit,whoever took this please let me know & I will credit https://t.co/DZ8Bem5af9

    Imagine requiring Clinton's response to a national emergency. It would be a nightmare trying to get her input between taking naps, having coughing fits and brain farts.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    kle4 said:

    People are writing off Hilary? Sounds like an opportunity, monetary wise, cold blooded as that is to think.

    Betting collapse is grossly overblow, she's only out to 1.56

    Way too far off sticking money on her again.
  • PlatoSaid said:

    News Executive
    UPDATE: Another video from a different angle, Don't have credit,whoever took this please let me know & I will credit https://t.co/DZ8Bem5af9

    Yes. That second video looks even worse. Still completely consistent with Flu/food poison/fatigue etc. Or being nearly dead.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited September 2016
    Its very strange how CNN have the cute girl giving Clinton a hug video up, but not the more worrying fainting one. They are normally so fast with their BREAKING NEWS..
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,591

    Trump needs to be up against Hillary to have even an outside chance, doesn't he?

    Yep. If either candidate withdraws their party will win a landslide.

    There have to be a few men in grey suits somewhere in the Democratic Party who know it's time for her to stand aside.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    kle4 said:

    People are writing off Hilary? Sounds like an opportunity, monetary wise, cold blooded as that is to think.

    You should never write off Hillary, only in the event her own media is criticising her or showing bad stories about her.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    rcs1000 said:


    You are free to carry a gun, but not free to believe Mohammed is a prophet is a curiously intellectually incoherent set of beliefs.

    People can believe he was a prophet if it makes them happy but I have a personal objection to gaining my 15 minutes of fame via a YouTube video and a bearded bloke from Luton holding a big knife.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,930
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Mr. F, but that is self-identifying. In psychology, people are notoriously bad at self-identifying their own personality.

    There's a natural tendency to drift to the middle/centre anyway.

    Also, where does it show half of people falling into right wing views and 24% into left wing?

    Indeed. I am anti-EU, pro-death penalty, free-trade, anti-islam, pro-gun ownership and I support a return to a hereditaries-only Lords.

    I self-identify as Centre. Possibly Centre-Right if you factor in my pro field sports thing too. But I'd have stuck myself in the 45% group.
    Anti UK membership of the EU is not a left-wing, right-wing thing. There are people like KLE who is (or was) a LibDem and who voted Out; there are many Labour Leavers (and who ran the best Out campaign around).

    s.
    I vote LD most frequently, but would not say I am or was a LD. PClipp voted out I believe and is a definite LD I think.

    Political Compass tells me I'm closest to Plaid Cymru for what it's worth!
    I've been fighting for Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish independence from my corner of North London...
  • Its hardly surprising. Most people think Hitler was right wing rather than extreme left wing despite the fact that he ran the German nations Socialist Workers Party.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,840
    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    People are writing off Hilary? Sounds like an opportunity, monetary wise, cold blooded as that is to think.

    You should never write off Hillary, only in the event her own media is criticising her or showing bad stories about her.
    I was simply thinking about anti-clinton's overreacting (they have form) causing an opportunity.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,001
    Very interesting figures. No idea on the quality of questioning or accuracy but certainly interesting. No surprise that over 65s are moe right wing but what's curious, particularly given what we know about voting patterns, is how no more young people regard themselves as left wing as do those in their 50s. It's also remarkable how there is an almost even split on the number of people who call themselves left wing or right wing. It's as if people now where they fit on the political map. Except for pensioners. I wonder if left wingers die younger? At least amongst the current over 65s.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,930

    Its very strange how CNN have the cute girl giving Clinton a hug video up, but not the more worrying fainting one. They are normally so fast with their BREAKING NEWS..

    I think it was CNBC who paid Chelsea Clinton $600,000 a year, for three years, to be an anchor. In which time she filed about a dozen reports, all of which were mind boggling awful interviews with global do-gooders.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,591

    Odds shortening on all other POTUS candiates on Oddschecker. Tim Kaine in to 66/1 with Ladbrokes. You can still get 200/1 with Coral. Biden's odds have halved in the last hour -too late to get him on the ballot, surely?

    Ballots are already printed in most states. Check very carefully the rules of any markets before betting on anyone else winning, bets could be settled according to the names on the ballots only.

    I don't know whether to back or lay Trump right now. If Hillary stays in the race then he's value above evens, but if she withdraws then he should be 10/1 against Kaine.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2016
    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    People are writing off Hilary? Sounds like an opportunity, monetary wise, cold blooded as that is to think.

    You should never write off Hillary, only in the event her own media is criticising her or showing bad stories about her.
    I was simply thinking about anti-clinton's overreacting (they have form) causing an opportunity.
    Well it's not overreacting since she is still the favourite, this will certainly have an impact just that it's too early to say of the size of it.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    rcs1000 said:


    That organisation isn't a serious doctor's group: they're a pressure group founded to fight against the socialisation of US medicine.

    Okay, didn't know that; cheers for the context.
    Although that laudable aim does make them sound like a serious (or at least sensible) group imho.
  • On-topic (for once):

    There are often polls that give something like 3-5% 'unusual' answers that make you think WTF. I sometimes wonder if that is actually the limit of accuracy of most forms of polls:

    2% people giving answers for laughs
    1% people mishearing / reading and giving the wrong answer
    1% people picking an answer at random.
    1% people actually giving their real views.

    etc. Percentages in the above were based on repeated polling of a sample of 1 (myself). I am not a member of the BPC. ;)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Its hardly surprising. Most people think Hitler was right wing rather than extreme left wing despite the fact that he ran the German nations Socialist Workers Party.

    I can call a dog a zebra, it doesn't make it a zebra.
  • Sandpit said:

    Odds shortening on all other POTUS candiates on Oddschecker. Tim Kaine in to 66/1 with Ladbrokes. You can still get 200/1 with Coral. Biden's odds have halved in the last hour -too late to get him on the ballot, surely?

    Ballots are already printed in most states. Check very carefully the rules of any markets before betting on anyone else winning, bets could be settled according to the names on the ballots only.

    I don't know whether to back or lay Trump right now. If Hillary stays in the race then he's value above evens, but if she withdraws then he should be 10/1 against Kaine.
    I've not moved my position on Hillary and I have a tiny amount on Kaine (albeit with a potentially substantial return). I'll sit any movement out for now.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    In reality many ordinary members of the public - who rarely tune into politics at all - have not the slightest idea as to what is meant by 'rightwing' or 'leftwing'.
  • Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/owen-smith-uk-join-euro-schengen/

    I was going to say titter, but this time I think 'tit' will do.

    I agree.
    It's a good thing that Smith will never be Labour leader.
    It is quite amusing that the Labour right have incited a leadership contest and immolated themselves out of rage at Corbyn being off message during the referendum.


    Blair would Im sure have been a lib dem if they stood a chance of a majority.

    It is ironic that it was the huge labour majority that stopped his plan to merge with the lib dems creating a single centre left party.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Its very strange how CNN have the cute girl giving Clinton a hug video up, but not the more worrying fainting one. They are normally so fast with their BREAKING NEWS..

    I think it was CNBC who paid Chelsea Clinton $600,000 a year, for three years, to be an anchor. In which time she filed about a dozen reports, all of which were mind boggling awful interviews with global do-gooders.
    The private for profit college deal that Bill got was a nice little earner....
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,783
    edited September 2016
    Alistair said:

    Its hardly surprising. Most people think Hitler was right wing rather than extreme left wing despite the fact that he ran the German nations Socialist Workers Party.

    I can call a dog a zebra, it doesn't make it a zebra.

    I am struggling to get my head around the fact that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy. Who'd have thought it?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,840
    justin124 said:

    In reality many ordinary members of the public - who rarely tune into politics at all - have not the slightest idea as to what is meant by 'rightwing' or 'leftwing'.

    I'm not convinced many of the politically aware do either. People could say the same about things like 'socialist', 'liberal' or 'conservative'.
  • Alistair said:

    Its hardly surprising. Most people think Hitler was right wing rather than extreme left wing despite the fact that he ran the German nations Socialist Workers Party.

    I can call a dog a zebra, it doesn't make it a zebra.
    Thanks to Labour though you can call something quite innocuous racist and thanks to the ludicrous McPherson defintion that anything that is perceived as racist is racist, you can on this issue turn a dog into a zebra.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Justin Miller
    “They threw her in like she was a side of beef,” a senior law enforcement official told The Daily Beast. https://t.co/MoI0JzlVRl
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