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The afternoon has been dominated by what’s now become #Traingate – how the film of Corbyn having to sit on the floor of a Newcastle-bound Virgin train two weeks ago might not have been all it seemed.
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@WelshGasDoc: Remember when a single still image of awkwardly eating a bacon sandwich was seen as a Public Relations mess?
Happy days.0 -
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Would Russia let us develop our own domestic fertiliser industry? Or partake in manipulative pricing like Saudi has done to oil?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-18/russia-s-fertilizer-tycoon-says-potash-glut-may-last-a-decade0 -
I hope we still get that pro Corbyn piece, TSE.0
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This is a man who can be smeared by quoting him exactly, lest we forget.SeanT said:latest traingate press release from Labour
htts://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/768117352458096640
The weird thing is that this is also, clearly, a lie - as the CCTV footage shows. It's like they haven't even watched the vids. Bizarre.0 -
I'll bring forward my thread on strictly to tomorrow and publish the Corbyn thread on Thursday.kle4 said:I hope we still get that pro Corbyn piece, TSE.
The piece contains a really good closing paragraph.0 -
Ha. Branson is good at this PR game! 20% discount for Labour Conference delegates travelling from London to Liverpool.
http://order-order.com/2016/08/23/virgin-trains-discount-for-labour-party-conference/0 -
We could send the feckless unemployed onto Scottish islands to collect guano ...nunu said:Would Russia let us develop our own domestic fertiliser industry? Or partake in manipulative pricing like Saudi has done to oil?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-18/russia-s-fertilizer-tycoon-says-potash-glut-may-last-a-decade
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Harry Cole
Harriet Harman on #traingate "It is slightly baffling.... I'm really baffled, I don't know what's going on."0 -
I wonder if the fake Elvis is free for tonights Jezza and Diane rally?0
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The problem was he’d used his experience on the trip to make a political point on the ownership of the railways
Exactly, he was spinning. Perfectly normal behaviour, but he's not supposed to be a 'normal' politician. And those defending the spin on the basis it 'highilghted' a genuine problem would never, ever extend that courtesy to their opponents doing the same.
It's silly, it's trivial, it won't affect anything long term (though one Tory I know thinks it might). But it didn't need to happen at all.0 -
And on the media bias point, I can believe there is a media bias against Corbyn and co. Unfortunately that doesn't mean they are not crap.0
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How often does Jeremy travel anyway, he must have been on a lot of trains in the past year or so? I use the train perhaps a dozen times a year and seem to know more about them than him (while also not being opposed to nationalisation - that may be because I don't know enough about that, but the key is I'm not intrinsically opposed to Jeremy on this policy)0
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Tories get 25% off......Sandpit said:Ha. Branson is good at this PR game! 20% discount for Labour Conference delegates travelling from London to Liverpool.
http://order-order.com/2016/08/23/virgin-trains-discount-for-labour-party-conference/0 -
Well the evidence is pretty clear. Nothing baffling at all about it. Corbyn and his team faked a photoshoot and then lied about it. They have been caught out and are continuing to lie.PlatoSaid said:Harry Cole
Harriet Harman on #traingate "It is slightly baffling.... I'm really baffled, I don't know what's going on."
Though given Harriet's ability to miss clear evidence in the past, her bafflement should come as no surprise.0 -
@steamedhamms: Reminder: Seumas Milne is earning £97,000.0
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So Corbyn finally admit story that he sat on the floor of a train for three hours on way to hustings was not true:
5:10 PM - 23 Aug 20160 -
Wonder what the Currant Bun headline will be tomorrow?0
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Homophobic comments about Virgin stewards are nothing new...John_M said:
I'm more interested in finding the Upgrade Fairy who performed this wondrous act.SeanT said:How hard is it to find this entire family of fifteen people who were "upgraded to First Class" so the exhausted Jeremy could get a seat, seven minutes into his journey?
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Er, nope. Seumas Milne *gets paid* £97k a year. Not quite the same.TheScreamingEagles said:@steamedhamms: Reminder: Seumas Milne is earning £97,000.
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Mr. Eagles, maybe the joy of writing articles in advance is giving time for Nemesis and Hubris to get in their retaliation for your planned abuse of Hannibal's name
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Pb is uniquely well-provided for in any discussion about the intersection between trains and politics.
Let's hope that the thread doesn't get sidetracked.0 -
Its a good job he isn't on performance related pay...Sandpit said:
Er, nope. Seumas Milne *gets paid* £97k a year. Not quite the same.TheScreamingEagles said:@steamedhamms: Reminder: Seumas Milne is earning £97,000.
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Derailed, surely?AlastairMeeks said:Pb is uniquely well-provided for in any discussion about the intersection between trains and politics.
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No chance of this one hitting the buffers!AlastairMeeks said:Pb is uniquely well-provided for in any discussion about the intersection between trains and politics.
Let's hope that the thread doesn't get sidetracked.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
@steamedhamms: Reminder: Seumas Milne is earning £97,000.
earning being paid0 -
Tories and 'moderates' wetting their pants over a nothing story whipped up by a biased media.
There, I've saved any Corbynistas and others the trouble of saying the above and if they want to point out the not in question fact that this is a small matter that won't derail Corbyn all by itself.
As ever, it's about cumulative effect of these sorts of impressions.0 -
I was talking about such (customs) unions in general not necesarily the one I suspect you were referring to.rcs1000 said:
Could you give me an example?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Or you get industrialists bribing commissioners to introduce regulatory directives that put you at an advantage vs your smaller competitiors who being smaller are hit much harder by the cost of compliance.rcs1000 said:
Re Port Talbot. Does it meaningfully reduce imports? You still need to buy coal from abroad and iron ore. In any case, I suspect mini-mills in the UK, attached to cheap CCGTs, are still going to outcompete PT in the medium term.DavidL said:I think free trade was indeed a good thing (at least for us) when we had exactly the sort of monopoly that you are talking about. The problem is we went from there to here taking along an extremely simplistic concept of comparative advantage on the way. The default assumption of our political class is still informed by this, hence American politicians pushing so hard for unpopular policies like NAFTA and TTIP. I just question whether these default assumptions are indeed good.
To take your Port Talbot example retaining a steel industry in this country retains a skill base here, it reduces imports, it makes materials more readily available should local producers want a particular product and can be said to support our manufacturing base generally. Is this worth a bit of money?
The answer is I think unclear for the reasons you state and the knock on effects are somewhat unpredictable but the answers mainstream economics offer us are naïve and uninformative.
But I think the important bit is that there are high labour cost countries that have minimal unemployment, and which have vibrant manufacturing bases.
They didn't achieve this through protectionism. When you implement protectionism, what you get is industrialists bribing government ministers in return for tariffs for their particular industry. That does not end well.
However that large and multinationals are the most enthusiastic cheerleaders for regulations that put a large cost between coming up with a product and being allowed to put it on the market is not exactly a revelation.
They have the economy of scale and in house experts to cope with it whereas medium size and smaller companies are stuffed.0 -
The reason the bacon sand which eating story and two kitchen story were so damaging for Ed is because it helped to dispel a narrative he was trying to build that he was an ordinary normal guy.
The reason this will be so damaging because he has built a reputation for being a man with principles but the general electorate will look at this and think " he's like any other politician ".0 -
What is even worse from a PR perspective, if he wanted to find an train where everybody was totally squished it wouldn't have been hard.SeanT said:
it wasn't entirely fake. There are lots of witnesses saying it was chokka, people were standing. It's just that Corbyn lied about having no seat at the start and now he's compounded the lie with further lies.oxfordsimon said:
Well the evidence is pretty clear. Nothing baffling at all about it. Corbyn and his team faked a photoshoot and then lied about it. They have been caught out and are continuing to lie.PlatoSaid said:Harry Cole
Harriet Harman on #traingate "It is slightly baffling.... I'm really baffled, I don't know what's going on."
Though given Harriet's ability to miss clear evidence in the past, her bafflement should come as no surprise.
As OGH says, a PR operation with half a brain would have avoided this in the first place, or defused it better when it threatened to blow up.
Still, it adds to the gaiety of the nation.0 -
We could get routed onto the wrong track.foxinsoxuk said:
No chance of this one hitting the buffers!AlastairMeeks said:Pb is uniquely well-provided for in any discussion about the intersection between trains and politics.
Let's hope that the thread doesn't get sidetracked.0 -
Trouble is nimby's make it hard to develop any sort of rural economy.JosiasJessop said:
We could send the feckless unemployed onto Scottish islands to collect guano ...nunu said:Would Russia let us develop our own domestic fertiliser industry? Or partake in manipulative pricing like Saudi has done to oil?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-18/russia-s-fertilizer-tycoon-says-potash-glut-may-last-a-decade0 -
Well so long as the selectorate votes for Al Jezza it is all well and good by me.0
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With all the #TrainGate kafuffle – has anyone bothered to ask Corbyn why he and his entourage didn’t bother to reserve seats if (a) they all wanted to sit together, (b) knew finding several seats free might be a problem? - And yes, it's all tremendous silly season fun....SeanT said:
it wasn't entirely fake. There are lots of witnesses saying it was chokka, people were standing. It's just that Corbyn lied about having no seat at the start and now he's compounded the lie with further lies.oxfordsimon said:
Well the evidence is pretty clear. Nothing baffling at all about it. Corbyn and his team faked a photoshoot and then lied about it. They have been caught out and are continuing to lie.PlatoSaid said:Harry Cole
Harriet Harman on #traingate "It is slightly baffling.... I'm really baffled, I don't know what's going on."
Though given Harriet's ability to miss clear evidence in the past, her bafflement should come as no surprise.
As OGH says, a PR operation with half a brain would have avoided this in the first place, or defused it better when it threatened to blow up.
Still, it adds to the gaiety of the nation.0 -
Which is why it might backfire if people crucify Corbyn for it. Yes it was a stunt, but he was highlighting an issue a lot of people have sympathy for.FrancisUrquhart said:
What is even worse from a PR perspective, if he wanted to find an train where everybody was totally squished it wouldn't have been hard.SeanT said:
it wasn't entirely fake. There are lots of witnesses saying it was chokka, people were standing. It's just that Corbyn lied about having no seat at the start and now he's compounded the lie with further lies.oxfordsimon said:
Well the evidence is pretty clear. Nothing baffling at all about it. Corbyn and his team faked a photoshoot and then lied about it. They have been caught out and are continuing to lie.PlatoSaid said:Harry Cole
Harriet Harman on #traingate "It is slightly baffling.... I'm really baffled, I don't know what's going on."
Though given Harriet's ability to miss clear evidence in the past, her bafflement should come as no surprise.
As OGH says, a PR operation with half a brain would have avoided this in the first place, or defused it better when it threatened to blow up.
Still, it adds to the gaiety of the nation.0 -
Trouble is while I think he is just like any other politician in most respects, this is the first really incontestable evidence of it (plenty of other evidence is contested, whereas his defence here involves making more of it than was the case, therefore being incontestable that he is like any of them), so it will take a lot more before his appeal as the anti-politician were to fade I suspect.nunu said:The reason the bacon sand which eating story and two kitchen story were so damaging for Ed is because it helped to dispel a narrative he was trying to build that he was an ordinary normal guy.
The reason this will be so damaging because he has built a reputation for being a man with principles but the general electorate will look at this and think " he's like any other politician ".0 -
BBC1 6pm News: Corbyn is the 2nd headline:
"CCTV appears to contradict his story"
Could this cost him the leadership?
Seems laughable but if his integrity is badly damaged then it could snowball - who knows?0 -
Smith winning will lead to Momentum taking to the streets - and everything that their revolution entails will start to happen.MikeL said:BBC1 6pm News: Corbyn is the 2nd headline:
"CCTV appears to contradict his story"
Could this cost him the leadership?
Seems laughable but if his integrity is badly damaged then it could snowball - who knows?0 -
No. The true believers reject the media and all its foul whorish works.MikeL said:BBC1 6pm News: Corbyn is the 2nd headline:
"CCTV appears to contradict his story"
Could this cost him the leadership?
Seems laughable but if his integrity is badly damaged then it could snowball - who knows?0 -
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@rcs1000
I was talking about such practices in general worldwide not necessarily in the organisation that I suspect you assumed *I was referring to (plenty of supranational organisations have similar functions such as the CIS in the former USSR, the African Union or even the federal government in the USA)rcs1000 said:
Could you give me an example?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Or you get industrialists bribing commissioners to introduce regulatory directives that put you at an advantage vs your smaller competitiors who being smaller are hit much harder by the cost of compliance.
However that large and multinationals are the most enthusiastic cheerleaders and lobbyers for regulations that put a large cost between coming up with a product and being allowed to put it on the market (or that maintain a legislative monopoly by extending copyright lockout periods from 25 years after the authors death to 75 years etc.) is not exactly a revelation (especially where those regulations operate on the precautionary principle and require you to prove a negative.
They have the economy of scale and in house experts to cope with it whereas medium size and smaller companies are stuffed and often have to withdraw a cheap product that has been sold for years or decades because the sales won't justify the cost of the new regulatory test, leaving the field clear for multinationals to sell a much more expensive and sometimes inferior product.
The result is highly paid jobs all round for bureaucrats and inefficient multinational monopolies (who are very good at avoiding coporation tax in a country) and a worsening of the economy as entrepreneurs and efficient small businesses that would be paying coporation tax to the national government are throttled.
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I agree people making too much of it will be disappointed, but in fairness he made a big deal of it, his people made a big deal of it, he claims to be different, to be authentic, and it was heavily spun in order to make a point. How can he and his supporters criticise others for being less than entirely truthful in order to make a point for the greater good when he does it too.williamglenn said:
Which is why it might backfire if people crucify Corbyn for it. Yes it was a stunt, but he was highlighting an issue a lot of people have sympathy for.FrancisUrquhart said:
What is even worse from a PR perspective, if he wanted to find an train where everybody was totally squished it wouldn't have been hard.SeanT said:
it wasn't entirely fake. There are lots of witnesses saying it was chokka, people were standing. It's just that Corbyn lied about having no seat at the start and now he's compounded the lie with further lies.oxfordsimon said:
Well the evidence is pretty clear. Nothing baffling at all about it. Corbyn and his team faked a photoshoot and then lied about it. They have been caught out and are continuing to lie.PlatoSaid said:Harry Cole
Harriet Harman on #traingate "It is slightly baffling.... I'm really baffled, I don't know what's going on."
Though given Harriet's ability to miss clear evidence in the past, her bafflement should come as no surprise.
As OGH says, a PR operation with half a brain would have avoided this in the first place, or defused it better when it threatened to blow up.
Still, it adds to the gaiety of the nation.
Because there is no way they won't criticise opponents for doing the same thing, even if those opponents do not so openly claim the righteousness of not doing that sort of thing, as he does.0 -
The disciples of crobyn will reject this latest media smear...there is nothing the Messiah can do wrong.0
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The events today are exactly why I predicted an Owen Smith victory, tho of course they are both crap.0
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Since when has Bedford been on the East Coast Main Line?0
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Hey JC, JC. Take this seat from me. Sanna Hosanna. Hey SuperstarFrancisUrquhart said:The disciples of crobyn will reject this latest media smear...there is nothing the Messiah can do wrong.
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It can't be hard to name a specific example of this happening then?Paul_Bedfordshire said:They have the economy of scale and in house experts to cope with it whereas medium size and smaller companies are stuffed and often have to withdraw a cheap product that has been sold for years or decades because the sales won't justify the cost of the new regulatory test, leaving the field clear for multinationals to sell a much more expensive and sometimes inferior product.
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This is ridiculous. Why don't they just come clean.0
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Has Branson's tweet violated the DPA ?
https://twitter.com/richardbranson/status/768070742135152640
Not Corbyn specifically, 4 'other' faces clearly identifiable from the CCTV0 -
But he could have highlighted the plight of commuters on packed trains in the rush hour. The problem, I would suggest, is that he can't bring himself with the sorts of people using such services - i.e. Tory scum.williamglenn said:
Which is why it might backfire if people crucify Corbyn for it. Yes it was a stunt, but he was highlighting an issue a lot of people have sympathy for.FrancisUrquhart said:
What is even worse from a PR perspective, if he wanted to find an train where everybody was totally squished it wouldn't have been hard.SeanT said:
it wasn't entirely fake. There are lots of witnesses saying it was chokka, people were standing. It's just that Corbyn lied about having no seat at the start and now he's compounded the lie with further lies.oxfordsimon said:
Well the evidence is pretty clear. Nothing baffling at all about it. Corbyn and his team faked a photoshoot and then lied about it. They have been caught out and are continuing to lie.PlatoSaid said:Harry Cole
Harriet Harman on #traingate "It is slightly baffling.... I'm really baffled, I don't know what's going on."
Though given Harriet's ability to miss clear evidence in the past, her bafflement should come as no surprise.
As OGH says, a PR operation with half a brain would have avoided this in the first place, or defused it better when it threatened to blow up.
Still, it adds to the gaiety of the nation.0 -
After global warming makes Cambourne and St Neots coastal.tlg86 said:Since when has Bedford been on the East Coast Main Line?
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By that logic, the Sunday Express violated my rights when they published this picture:Pulpstar said:Has Branson's tweet violated the DPA ?
https://twitter.com/richardbranson/status/768070742135152640
Not Corbyn specifically, 4 'other' faces clearly identifiable from the CCTV
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To be fair to Corbyn he called for a "kinder, gentler politics", not more truthful politics...0
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He is almost the epitome of the post-factual era.brokenwheel said:To be fair to Corbyn he called for a "kinder, gentler politics", not more truthful politics...
My Facebook feed is being filled by my local Momentum fan girl claiming this is all a media smear.
Don't you just love the predictability of them?0 -
Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.0 -
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.0 -
And then he allowed Momentum to flourish...brokenwheel said:To be fair to Corbyn he called for a "kinder, gentler politics", not more truthful politics...
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Branson had a meeting with Theresa May in July to push for a second referendum. One good turn deserves another.kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.0 -
Branson probably holds Jezza responsible for Leave winning the referendum.kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon. 0 -
Achieving true socialism* is kinder to everyone in the end. That's why everything goes up to then.oxfordsimon said:
And then he allowed Momentum to flourish...brokenwheel said:To be fair to Corbyn he called for a "kinder, gentler politics", not more truthful politics...
For socialism you can substitute with ideology of your choosing if you like.0 -
Major political figure attempts to tarnish major household brand – Virgin CCTV the winner.0
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Imagine you are the guy checking the tickets and you find the Leader of the Opposition on the floor of your train trying to pull a cheap stunt against your employer. You would move anyone to first class just to make the whole thing go away. You're not a PR professional, unlike, supposedly, Mr Corbyn.SeanT said:How hard is it to find this entire family of fifteen people who were "upgraded to First Class" so the exhausted Jeremy could get a seat, seven minutes into his journey?
Very manipulative as well as dishonest.
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By using the term nimby you expose yourself as an okiseby.nunu said:
Trouble is nimby's make it hard to develop any sort of rural economy.JosiasJessop said:
We could send the feckless unemployed onto Scottish islands to collect guano ...nunu said:Would Russia let us develop our own domestic fertiliser industry? Or partake in manipulative pricing like Saudi has done to oil?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-18/russia-s-fertilizer-tycoon-says-potash-glut-may-last-a-decade0 -
PR stuff usually involves the top execs very quickly, whether it be good or bad PR. Today's story being from Branson himself (rather than a generic VT PR/media account) also adds a lot of credibility to it.kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.0 -
Ho ho ho
A senior Ukip figure has accused the party's only MP of helping the Conservatives defeat Nigel Farage during the General Election.
A company belonging Arron Banks, Ukip's biggest donor, has written to Kent Police alleging that Douglas Carswell, the party's MP for Clacton, helped the Tory campaign.
Precision Risk & Intelligence claims that Mr Carswell downloaded Ukip polling data for the South Thanet seat in Kent and passed it to the Conservatives, who allegedly used it during the campaign.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/senior-ukip-figure-accuses-partys-only-mp-of-helping-the-conserv/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
I suppose that's true. Senior people blundering in can also be a problem of course.Sandpit said:
PR stuff usually involves the top execs very quickly, whether it be good or bad PR.kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.
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Really? A senior political figure is trying to trash your company's reputation, if that is not worthy of the CEO's attention WTF is?kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.0 -
Ferrets meet sack.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
UKIP, you remain an inspiration.TheScreamingEagles said:htps://twitter.com/TelegraphNews/status/768138057665032192
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If there's one thing that really annoys the hell out of me, people putting 'Without prejudice' on their fecking letters0
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May must have sent him away with a flea in his ear.williamglenn said:
Branson had a meeting with Theresa May in July to push for a second referendum. One good turn deserves another.kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.
This does her no favours.0 -
He has many companies and it was a general point about all train companies really, I'm surprised he bothered given its not as though COrbyn's supporters will believe it and everyone else already found Corbyn hilarious.HurstLlama said:
Really? A senior political figure is trying to trash your company's reputation, if that is not worthy of the CEO's attention WTF is?kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.0 -
From a lawyer I find that an astonishing statement. I hope your employers don't see it as it might not be career enhancing.TheScreamingEagles said:If there's one thing that really annoys the hell out of me, people putting 'Without prejudice' on their fecking letters
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I haven't really followed this. He knew he was traveling, didn't book a seat, there were unreserved seats available, so he sat on the floor then ended up in Coach H.
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He doesn't own (or has a controlling interest in) as many as you think. Lots are just using his virgin brand man ala trump eg virgin media....despite using his face a lot on the advertising.kle4 said:
He has many companies and it was a general point about all train companies really, I'm surprised he bothered given its not as though COrbyn's supporters will believe it and everyone else already found Corbyn hilarious.HurstLlama said:
Really? A senior political figure is trying to trash your company's reputation, if that is not worthy of the CEO's attention WTF is?kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.
In fact how much does he own of virgin trains these days?0 -
Smith wants a second referendum therefore I suspect Branson wants Smith to win.williamglenn said:
Branson had a meeting with Theresa May in July to push for a second referendum. One good turn deserves another.kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.0 -
There is no way this blows back on her at all, and it doesn't matter that much if Corbyn wins or not so long as Labour are in chaos, so it certainly does no harm.TW1R64 said:
May must have sent him away with a flea in his ear.williamglenn said:
Branson had a meeting with Theresa May in July to push for a second referendum. One good turn deserves another.kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.
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I believe Virgin Wines is independently owned.FrancisUrquhart said:
He doesn't own (or has a controlling interest in) as many as you think. Lots are just using his virgin brand man ala trump eg virgin media....despite using his face a lot on the advertising.kle4 said:
He has many companies and it was a general point about all train companies really, I'm surprised he bothered given its not as though COrbyn's supporters will believe it and everyone else already found Corbyn hilarious.HurstLlama said:
Really? A senior political figure is trying to trash your company's reputation, if that is not worthy of the CEO's attention WTF is?kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.0 -
Cctv and press photos different rules I think ?tlg86 said:
By that logic, the Sunday Express violated my rights when they published this picture:Pulpstar said:Has Branson's tweet violated the DPA ?
https://twitter.com/richardbranson/status/768070742135152640
Not Corbyn specifically, 4 'other' faces clearly identifiable from the CCTV
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Part of the Laithwaites Group I think.MP_SE said:
I believe Virgin Wines is independently owned.FrancisUrquhart said:
He doesn't own (or has a controlling interest in) as many as you think. Lots are just using his virgin brand man ala trump eg virgin media....despite using his face a lot on the advertising.kle4 said:
He has many companies and it was a general point about all train companies really, I'm surprised he bothered given its not as though COrbyn's supporters will believe it and everyone else already found Corbyn hilarious.HurstLlama said:
Really? A senior political figure is trying to trash your company's reputation, if that is not worthy of the CEO's attention WTF is?kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.0 -
What does caling for "straight forward honest politics" mean then other than being truthful rather than practicing deception?brokenwheel said:To be fair to Corbyn he called for a "kinder, gentler politics", not more truthful politics...
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10% of East Coast I think.FrancisUrquhart said:
He doesn't own (or has a controlling interest in) as many as you think. Lots are just using his virgin brand man ala trump eg virgin media....despite using his face a lot on the advertising.kle4 said:
He has many companies and it was a general point about all train companies really, I'm surprised he bothered given its not as though COrbyn's supporters will believe it and everyone else already found Corbyn hilarious.HurstLlama said:
Really? A senior political figure is trying to trash your company's reputation, if that is not worthy of the CEO's attention WTF is?kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.
In fact how much does he own of virgin trains these days?
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Would have to give that 'guy/gal checking tickets' a gold star for recognising the LotO amongst a sea of faces.FF43 said:
Imagine you are the guy checking the tickets and you find the Leader of the Opposition on the floor of your train trying to pull a cheap stunt against your employer. You would move anyone to first class just to make the whole thing go away. You're not a PR professional, unlike, supposedly, Mr Corbyn.SeanT said:How hard is it to find this entire family of fifteen people who were "upgraded to First Class" so the exhausted Jeremy could get a seat, seven minutes into his journey?
Very manipulative as well as dishonest.
I once recognised John Smith on the concourse at York station but only because he was strutting along as one who knew himself a Very Important Person Indeed with a host of acolytes scurrying around him.
(Good evening, everyone, and what a come-down: from the Olympics, to this story. Silly season in full flow.)0 -
I seem to recall a train journey giving Osborne a spot of PR bother. Entertaining though this sort of thing is, the net political effect is probably zero.0
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I think the need to make his political point transcended the need to observe the facts on the ground.Wulfrun_Phil said:
What does caling for "straight forward honest politics" mean then other than being truthful rather than practicing deception?brokenwheel said:To be fair to Corbyn he called for a "kinder, gentler politics", not more truthful politics...
Doubly inept as he could have made the point a thousand other ways.0 -
One day on the very same East Coast line I found myself sitting opposite Mr Yvette Cooper en famille. Seemed a tremendously nice bloke.AnneJGP said:
Would have to give that 'guy/gal checking tickets' a gold star for recognising the LotO amongst a sea of faces.FF43 said:
Imagine you are the guy checking the tickets and you find the Leader of the Opposition on the floor of your train trying to pull a cheap stunt against your employer. You would move anyone to first class just to make the whole thing go away. You're not a PR professional, unlike, supposedly, Mr Corbyn.SeanT said:How hard is it to find this entire family of fifteen people who were "upgraded to First Class" so the exhausted Jeremy could get a seat, seven minutes into his journey?
Very manipulative as well as dishonest.
I once recognised John Smith on the concourse at York station but only because he was strutting along as one who knew himself a Very Important Person Indeed with a host of acolytes scurrying around him.
(Good evening, everyone, and what a come-down: from the Olympics, to this story. Silly season in full flow.)
Oh Ed...where are you now your Party needs you?? Doing a paso doble in Blackpool , that's where.
O tempora o mores.0 -
#Traingate looks like an outrageous stitch-up from the billionaire owner of a multinational corporation with an agenda (preventing renationalization of trains and ignoring Brexit) to me.
Stick to your guns Jezza!0 -
He speaks the truth of the soul.Wulfrun_Phil said:
What does caling for "straight forward honest politics" mean then other than being truthful rather than practicing deception?brokenwheel said:To be fair to Corbyn he called for a "kinder, gentler politics", not more truthful politics...
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Herbal medicines.williamglenn said:
It can't be hard to name a specific example of this happening then?Paul_Bedfordshire said:They have the economy of scale and in house experts to cope with it whereas medium size and smaller companies are stuffed and often have to withdraw a cheap product that has been sold for years or decades because the sales won't justify the cost of the new regulatory test, leaving the field clear for multinationals to sell a much more expensive and sometimes inferior product.
They don't work more than placebo but consumers like them. The big pharma with their switch Cx businesses didn't...0 -
I don't understand the logic. Buying Corbyn's explanation or not, and whatever the motivations of Branson and the rights or wrongs of releasing the footage, Corbyn's initial presentation of the situation was, at its most generous, misleading.GIN1138 said:#Traingate looks like an outrageous stitch-up from the billionaire owner of a multinational corporation with an agenda (preventing renationalization of trains and ignoring Brexit) to me.
Stick to your guns Jezza!0 -
In case it wasn't clear, i wasn't being wholely truthful with my comment...Wulfrun_Phil said:
What does caling for "straight forward honest politics" mean then other than being truthful rather than practicing deception?brokenwheel said:To be fair to Corbyn he called for a "kinder, gentler politics", not more truthful politics...
Jezza would approve.0 -
That was a bollocks media story, based on envy. Of course the Chancellor of the Exchequer and his red box should sit in first class on the train.Richard_Nabavi said:I seem to recall a train journey giving Osborne a spot of PR bother. Entertaining though this sort of thing is, the net political effect is probably zero.
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That's right. Stagecoach own 90% of VTEC and I think 49% of VTWC.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
10% of East Coast I think.FrancisUrquhart said:
He doesn't own (or has a controlling interest in) as many as you think. Lots are just using his virgin brand man ala trump eg virgin media....despite using his face a lot on the advertising.kle4 said:
He has many companies and it was a general point about all train companies really, I'm surprised he bothered given its not as though COrbyn's supporters will believe it and everyone else already found Corbyn hilarious.HurstLlama said:
Really? A senior political figure is trying to trash your company's reputation, if that is not worthy of the CEO's attention WTF is?kle4 said:
I'm a little amazed this went up the chain all the way to Branson at all.foxinsoxuk said:Branson knows how to time this! Olympics over, and ballots went out yesterday as I recall.
Why else hold onto it for 12 days? I am sure the tapes were reviewed immediately after the first story.
Post truth politics now apply. It does not matter what the truth is anymore, and any attempt to dispute it just gives the story legs. Branson is a master of PR, Jezza gets the wooden spoon.
In fact how much does he own of virgin trains these days?
Virgin appears to be to Stagecoach what Sainsburys is to British Gas.0 -
IIRC, Osborne caught an earlier train than the one he’d booked seats on and paid the upgrade. That little morsel kept the media happily fed for days and it wasn’t even the silly season. But I agree, this will have zero effect on Corbyn's chances of remaining leader.Richard_Nabavi said:I seem to recall a train journey giving Osborne a spot of PR bother. Entertaining though this sort of thing is, the net political effect is probably zero.
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Also, what's the legal/privacy implications of Virgin making this CCTV public?
I always thought there were rather strict legal restrictions on the way CCTV can be used Viz a Viz people's privacy?0 -
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