There are precedents for Oppositions performing poorly circa 15 months into a Parliament and still going on to win the following General Election. The 1959 Parliament comes to mind in that at the end of 1960 a Labour victory in 1963 or 1964 seemed unlikely based on the Tory lead being recorded in the polls.
Can we confine ourselves to scenarios which don't involve a popular new Labour leader taking over shortly before the general election, nor an unpopular new Conservative taking over from a respected PM? Because we're talking here about what polling is telling us about a May-Corbyn contest at a general election, not an Osborne-Benn contest conducted in a context such as that which followed 1963.
@DanielJHannan: I spent today reaching out to a pro-Remain audience, suggesting we work together on a new deal. Total waste of time. They want another vote.
Talking to the wrong remainers - plenty of them wanting to work on a deal. Theresa May for one.
Theresa May was no more a remainer than Jeremy Corbyn was.
The independent seems to have descended into lala land on the issue though.
Wonder how long it will be before the residual online version bites the dust.
I agree. Whenever I met her, she felt and sounded like a Brexiteer.
You've actually TOUCHED her? *Swoon*.
Did you come away cured of scrofula?
Or did you get the soul freeze of a dementor?
Well, I haven't touched her. But I tell you, me and Mrs May, we got a thing going on.
PS My dog has been found. Huzzah! I can sleep tonight.
@DanielJHannan: I spent today reaching out to a pro-Remain audience, suggesting we work together on a new deal. Total waste of time. They want another vote.
Talking to the wrong remainers - plenty of them wanting to work on a deal. Theresa May for one.
Theresa May was no more a remainer than Jeremy Corbyn was.
The independent seems to have descended into lala land on the issue though.
Wonder how long it will be before the residual online version bites the dust.
I agree. Whenever I met her, she felt and sounded like a Brexiteer.
You've actually TOUCHED her? *Swoon*.
Did you come away cured of scrofula?
Or did you get the soul freeze of a dementor?
Well, I haven't touched her. But I tell you, me and Mrs May, we got a thing going on.
PS My dog has been found. Huzzah! I can sleep tonight.
Thank goodness for that comrade. I was distressed by terrible images of the lost mutt.
@DanielJHannan: I spent today reaching out to a pro-Remain audience, suggesting we work together on a new deal. Total waste of time. They want another vote.
Talking to the wrong remainers - plenty of them wanting to work on a deal. Theresa May for one.
Theresa May was no more a remainer than Jeremy Corbyn was.
The independent seems to have descended into lala land on the issue though.
Wonder how long it will be before the residual online version bites the dust.
I agree. Whenever I met her, she felt and sounded like a Brexiteer.
You've actually TOUCHED her? *Swoon*.
Did you come away cured of scrofula?
Or did you get the soul freeze of a dementor?
Well, I haven't touched her. But I tell you, me and Mrs May, we got a thing going on.
PS My dog has been found. Huzzah! I can sleep tonight.
Thank goodness for that comrade. I was distressed by terrible images of the lost mutt.
Huzzah indeed for the mut. Only touched Mrs May's hand. Mp preference, not hers!
The Opinium poll does not show much sign of a honeymoon for Theresa May. On those figures, her majority would fall to just 6.
Wait until after the autumn statement. The polls are funny during the summer all the Tories are on holiday or stuck in traffic in Dover.
If by that time there are clear signs of recession I think it unlikely that the Tories will benefit!
Because parties considered weak on the economy and weak on leadership benefit from economic turbulence....
Oh, wait....
Yes but a Government that has been in office for over six and a half years will be at least partly blamed for that. The collapse of Osborne's 'Plan' and any Hammond U turn will not add to its credibility and will make it increasingly vulnerable to attack.
But support will not be leant to Labour.
cf 1992. Largest ever vote for the Conservatives after beginning of economic turbulence.
Wasn't until Blair positioned Labour as party of economic competence that Labour won an election.
If you take away Blair from your history, as so many Labourites seem to desire, Labour have not won an election for 40 years...
Might be 50 at the rate the current opposition is going.
1992 would have been a fair bit different had Thatcher not been toppled! As it was the Tories lost 40 seats, and had it it not been for Kinnock losing control of himself at Sheffield a few days before Polling Day the election would probably produced a Hung Parliament - with the Tories as the largest party. It really is nonsense to suggest that Tory Governments do not suffer electoral unpopularity at times of recession or economic slowdown. Just look at 1962 to1963 - 1971 to1973 - 1980 to 1982 and 1989 to 1992.
Always a reason other than socialism is electorally unpopular, right?
I am not sure that answers my point at all.
To be honest it doesnt seem worthwhile. You make the same the 'one more heave Comrades' post every time there is a poll that doesn't put Labour another 50 seats or so down.
But, if you wan't to engage, how did Labour do in 83 and 92, eh?
The modern electorate are swinging away from Socialism, and have been since the late 70s. Blair saw this. But then he isn't very popular amongst the Labour party anymore, is he?
Mr. D, cold's much better than heat. Easier to warm up than cool down.
Probably why most human settlements are coastal or riverine.
Drinking water (from rivers), fishing opportunities, good agricultural land and transport are also advantages. It's likely that the unusually stable (until now) climate, and hence sea level, over the last 8,000 years or so has been a major factor in the development of coastal communities and, ultimately, modern civilisation.
Sea levels were 100 metres or so lower c. 20,000 years ago than they are today.
Indeed. But over the last 8,000 years or so they've changed by no more than a couple of meters.
So what caused the 100 metres of sea-level rise?
The ice melted because of the enormous amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Mainly due to filthy Sumerian power plants. You're welcome.
I thought it was increased farting by an increasing human population
That is the problem of being a vegetarian!
Don't you meat-eaters fart?
Here comes teh science bit:
Vegetarians fart more Omnivores' farts are smellier.
8000 years may be the blink of an eye in geological terms, but it covers the entire development of human civilisation. Sea levels are a function of global temperature which, on a time scale of thousands of years, is in turn a function of greenhouse gas (especially CO2) levels. Over the past 8,000 years or so of the current interglacial, all have remained roughly constant. Were it not for the presence of human beings, we'd expect each of these variables to be gradually falling back towards ice age levels.
Instead, the rapid rise in atmospheric CO2 resulting from human activity is reducing the amount of energy radiated into space, warming the Earth and raising sea levels through thermal expansion and melting ice. A recent study of paleoclimate data indicated that the current 400ppm level of CO2 seems to correspond with a historic equilibrium sea level about 20m higher than today's level, probably due to melting of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets. From 400pmm to 650ppm, there's not much change, but concentrations rising from 650ppm to about 1200pp cause complete melting of the Antarctic ice, giving a sea level rise of about 60m.
I am afraid such calculations really are pie in the sky. There is a (completely fallacious) argument made by opponents of climate change that CO2 cannot be connected with temperature because in the past we have had far higher CO2 levels without much higher temperatures. It is an argument that ignores the myriad other factors that impact on temperature both positive and negative. The same applies to trying to link previous sea level change to CO2 levels.
The last time we had 400ppm CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere was probably at least 5.2 million years ago. The last time we had CO2 concentrations of 650ppm (to pick out your number)was probably in the Palaeogene - something earlier than 25-30 million years ago. The idea that we can pick out the fingerprint of CO2 effects on sea level over that period of time is just ludicrous. There were wholesale changes in continental positions to start with as well as any number of other factors that would have effected sea level. Such calculations are a classic example of garbage in garbage out I am afraid.
Yes, my condescending friend, the positions of the continents were different, but this just meant that the Earth's climate adopted a different position on the CO2-temperature curve. The point is that the CO2 concentration remains proportional to the temperature, even though that temperature may be higher or lower. In the end, it is the Earth's radiation balance that determines its temperature.
The government is wasting taxpayers money subsiding useless renewables.
The government as should other governments should be spending money instead on research on methods of cheap mass storage of electricity. Once that is achieved the renewables will be of use.
Until then you need to duplicate renewables with fossil fuel power stations that fire up when the renewables are offline (eg no wind).
If you have to build the gas and coal stations anyway it is pointless to have the renewables.
Although intermittent renewable energy sources need to be backed up by, primarily, gas-fired plants, you still save having to burn gas when the wind blows or the sun shines. Granted, you can't eliminate CO2 emissions in this way, but you can reduce them. As storage methods are developed and demand management is implemented, it will be possible to further reduced the amount of fossil fuel that needs to be burned.
And what about all the CO2 emissions caused by manufacturing, building, maintaining and demolishing after decommissioning the renewables and their associated electricity transmission networks which you would not need if you just switch on the gas power stations you have to build as backup on all the time?
The whole life emissions are considerably lower. Do you really think that this hasn't been taken into consideration?
Mr. D, cold's much better than heat. Easier to warm up than cool down.
Probably why most human settlements are coastal or riverine.
Drinking water (from rivers), fishing opportunities, good agricultural land and transport are also advantages. It's likely that the unusually stable (until now) climate, and hence sea level, over the last 8,000 years or so has been a major factor in the development of coastal communities and, ultimately, modern civilisation.
Sea levels were 100 metres or so lower c. 20,000 years ago than they are today.
Indeed. But over the last 8,000 years or so they've changed by no more than a couple of meters.
So what caused the 100 metres of sea-level rise?
The rise in CO2 concentrations from 180ppm to 280ppm.
Mr. D, cold's much better than heat. Easier to warm up than cool down.
Probably why most human settlements are coastal or riverine.
Drinking water (from rivers), fishing opportunities, good agricultural land and transport are also advantages. It's likely that the unusually stable (until now) climate, and hence sea level, over the last 8,000 years or so has been a major factor in the development of coastal communities and, ultimately, modern civilisation.
Sea levels were 100 metres or so lower c. 20,000 years ago than they are today.
Indeed. But over the last 8,000 years or so they've changed by no more than a couple of meters.
So what caused the 100 metres of sea-level rise?
The rise in CO2 concentrations from 180ppm to 280ppm.
@DanielJHannan: I spent today reaching out to a pro-Remain audience, suggesting we work together on a new deal. Total waste of time. They want another vote.
Talking to the wrong remainers - plenty of them wanting to work on a deal. Theresa May for one.
Theresa May was no more a remainer than Jeremy Corbyn was.
The independent seems to have descended into lala land on the issue though.
Wonder how long it will be before the residual online version bites the dust.
I agree. Whenever I met her, she felt and sounded like a Brexiteer.
You've actually TOUCHED her? *Swoon*.
Did you come away cured of scrofula?
Or did you get the soul freeze of a dementor?
PS My dog has been found. Huzzah! I can sleep tonight.
As can we all. Great news.
Just heard that the wife's mother has passed though. Not unexpected, but still a difficult time.
Yes, my condescending friend, the positions of the continents were different, but this just meant that the Earth's climate adopted a different position on the CO2-temperature curve. The point is that the CO2 concentration remains proportional to the temperature, even though that temperature may be higher or lower. In the end, it is the Earth's radiation balance that determines its temperature.
And that radiation balance is affected by far more things than just CO2 concentration. Which is the point you are trying so very hard to ignore.
Mr. D, cold's much better than heat. Easier to warm up than cool down.
Probably why most human settlements are coastal or riverine.
Drinking water (from rivers), fishing opportunities, good agricultural land and transport are also advantages. It's likely that the unusually stable (until now) climate, and hence sea level, over the last 8,000 years or so has been a major factor in the development of coastal communities and, ultimately, modern civilisation.
Sea levels were 100 metres or so lower c. 20,000 years ago than they are today.
Indeed. But over the last 8,000 years or so they've changed by no more than a couple of meters.
So what caused the 100 metres of sea-level rise?
The rise in CO2 concentrations from 180ppm to 280ppm.
AGW caused this rise?
Of course not. The Earth's temperature isn't stable; for the last few million years it has naturally oscillated between two semi-stable states: ice age and interglacial. The oscillations seem to have been triggered by small variations in solar input due to periodic variations in the Earth's orbit and axial tilt. A small rise in temperature releases CO2, which in turn further increases temperature thus amplifying the initial change through a feedback effect. This is all pretty well understood by climatologists.
Yes, my condescending friend, the positions of the continents were different, but this just meant that the Earth's climate adopted a different position on the CO2-temperature curve. The point is that the CO2 concentration remains proportional to the temperature, even though that temperature may be higher or lower. In the end, it is the Earth's radiation balance that determines its temperature.
And that radiation balance is affected by far more things than just CO2 concentration. Which is the point you are trying so very hard to ignore.
Greenhouse gases, primarily CO2, and ice albedo seem to be the main factors affecting radiation balance. I imagine the distribution of desert areas and the like would also have an influence.
Looking at today's world, it is very hard to imagine what factor other than the increase in CO2 levels could be responsible for changing the Earth's radiation balance sufficiently to change its temperature by the degree or so measured over the last century.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
I think I might start quoting some Catullus 16 at those civil servants that are planning to remove the great language that is Latin from our lives.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
I think I might start quoting some Catullus 16 at those civil servants that are planning to remove the great language that is Latin from our lives.
Twitter would be much better if it was in Latin. It's concise.
@DanielJHannan: I spent today reaching out to a pro-Remain audience, suggesting we work together on a new deal. Total waste of time. They want another vote.
Where do we start on this?
POINT 1: WHAT DOES A "NEW DEAL" MEAN? If he's ready to come out and admit that what he wants is freedom of movement over border control, then he may have had a more receptive audience. But if he's still eliding his position by using phrases like "controlled immigration", then there's no point in listening to him, since border controls over freedom of movement is currently Government policy.
POINT 2: WHAT DOES "WORK TOGETHER" MEAN? The Government is LEAVE: it intends to implement Article 50 and negotiate a new deal with the EU and the nations of the world. REMAIN have no agency here and they are not in the loop: there is nothing they can do or say to alter the outcome
So he's proselyting to an audience who have no ability to achieve a cause he cannot honestly bring himself to name. Which is pointless.
To be honest, I think at this point he just likes insulting people.
Evening all. Catching up on the day, the F1 was as much of a lottery as I thought it would be, and England batted for long enough to make a draw probable.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
It's not just Latin - there was a famous license plate here that it took officials a while to understand in the 1970s - FCK NXN.
Most states have a list of no-nos for personalized plates which they give you when you want such a plate. Some of them are obvious: VAG, TIT etc. Some really take some puzzling to understand.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
I think I might start quoting some Catullus 16 at those civil servants that are planning to remove the great language that is Latin from our lives.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
Some of our language is Latin, some is Germanic in origin.
However I am not sure how the use of "e.g." forms part of recognising our heritage or making use of anything useful.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
When I was a schoolboy back in the early 90s learning Latin, I remember being told that over 25% of words in the Oxford English Dictionary had Latin heritage and roots.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
English has ripped off every language going. Regal is from the Latin. Royal from French (the root of which is also Latin), Kingly is from Old English. Roughly equivalent meanings.
I love etymology. Another reason for that dearth of party invites.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
Some of our language is Latin, some is Germanic in origin.
However I am not sure how the use of "e.g." forms part of recognising our heritage or making use of anything useful.
Surely, by definition, if you make use of anything it is useful.
Colorado is quite lovely (this is an unrelated aside, but apparently we can't write non sequitur anymore)
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
I think I might start quoting some Catullus 16 at those civil servants that are planning to remove the great language that is Latin from our lives.
You're supposed to be English, remember?
English is the best language in the world!
25% of the English language is derived from Latin you thicko pleb.
A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973)[1] that estimated the origin of English words as follows:
Influences in English vocabulary
Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
Germanic languages – inherited from Old English, from Proto-Germanic, or a more recent borrowing from a Germanic language such as Old Norse; does not include Germanic words borrowed from a Romance language, i.e., coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages: 25%
When I was a schoolboy back in the early 90s learning Latin, I remember being told that over 25% of words in the Oxford English Dictionary had Latin heritage and roots.
Is that actually true? The ratio, not your reporting of it, I hasten to add...
When I was a schoolboy back in the early 90s learning Latin, I remember being told that over 25% of words in the Oxford English Dictionary had Latin heritage and roots.
Is that actually true? The ratio, not your reporting of it, I hasten to add...
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
Some of our language is Latin, some is Germanic in origin.
One curiosity I like is that the names of farm animals are generally Germanic in origin, while the names of the meat they produce tend to be French. E.g. cow/beef.
A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973)[1] that estimated the origin of English words as follows:
Influences in English vocabulary
Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
Germanic languages – inherited from Old English, from Proto-Germanic, or a more recent borrowing from a Germanic language such as Old Norse; does not include Germanic words borrowed from a Romance language, i.e., coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages: 25%
When I was a schoolboy back in the early 90s learning Latin, I remember being told that over 25% of words in the Oxford English Dictionary had Latin heritage and roots.
Is that actually true? The ratio, not your reporting of it, I hasten to add...
See my post directly underneath your post.
Yes, we posted out of sync. Thank you for the info.
A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973)[1] that estimated the origin of English words as follows:
Influences in English vocabulary
Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
Germanic languages – inherited from Old English, from Proto-Germanic, or a more recent borrowing from a Germanic language such as Old Norse; does not include Germanic words borrowed from a Romance language, i.e., coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages: 25%
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
Some of our language is Latin, some is Germanic in origin.
One curiosity I like is that the names of farm animals are generally Germanic in origin, while the names of the meat they produce tend to be French. E.g. cow/beef.
Yes, presumably from the Norman invasion. Animals that were walking around were mostly an issue for Germanic-speaking Anglo-Saxon peasants, while their French-speaking Norman overlords mostly discussed the animals on their plates. Hence the modern distinction.
A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973)[1] that estimated the origin of English words as follows:
Influences in English vocabulary
Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
Germanic languages – inherited from Old English, from Proto-Germanic, or a more recent borrowing from a Germanic language such as Old Norse; does not include Germanic words borrowed from a Romance language, i.e., coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages: 25%
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
Some of our language is Latin, some is Germanic in origin.
One curiosity I like is that the names of farm animals are generally Germanic in origin, while the names of the meat they produce tend to be French. E.g. cow/beef.
The farms were worked by Anglo Saxons, but the best foodstuffs were for the Normans.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
Most peop,e have little conception of the Latin phrases denoted by things such etc or ie, they may as well just be English words, and they're short and useful, so not using them doesn't seem like it would help at all.
By the by, I was told by a Latin speaker than where we use et cetera actual Latin speakers would have used a different phrase, but I cannot recall what it was, I'd be fascinated if they were right or just pulling my leg.
A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973)[1] that estimated the origin of English words as follows:
Influences in English vocabulary
Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
Germanic languages – inherited from Old English, from Proto-Germanic, or a more recent borrowing from a Germanic language such as Old Norse; does not include Germanic words borrowed from a Romance language, i.e., coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages: 25%
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
English has ripped off every language going. Regal is from the Latin. Royal from French (the root of which is also Latin), Kingly is from Old English. Roughly equivalent meanings.
I love etymology. Another reason for that dearth of party invites.
I was fascinated to read someone's comment that Iran is related to Aryan. I didn't know that (and, I admit, I've not checked. I hope it is true!)
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
Most peop,e have little conception of the Latin phrases denoted by things such etc or ie, they may as well just be English words, and they're short and useful, so not using them doesn't seem like it would help at all.
By the by, I was told by a Latin speaker than where we use et cetera actual Latin speakers would have used a different phrase, but I cannot recall what it was, I'd be fascinated if they were right or just pulling my leg.
If only there were some global resource that would allow people to actually look shit up and learn something. It would be fantastic.
A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973)[1] that estimated the origin of English words as follows:
Influences in English vocabulary
Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
Germanic languages – inherited from Old English, from Proto-Germanic, or a more recent borrowing from a Germanic language such as Old Norse; does not include Germanic words borrowed from a Romance language, i.e., coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages: 25%
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
English has ripped off every language going. Regal is from the Latin. Royal from French (the root of which is also Latin), Kingly is from Old English. Roughly equivalent meanings.
I love etymology. Another reason for that dearth of party invites.
I was fascinated to read someone's comment that Iran is related to Aryan. I didn't know that (and, I admit, I've not checked. I hope it is true!)
I line to try to bring up Arian Christianity just to confuse with Aryan, but the chance doesn't cone up much.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
English has ripped off every language going. Regal is from the Latin. Royal from French (the root of which is also Latin), Kingly is from Old English. Roughly equivalent meanings.
I love etymology. Another reason for that dearth of party invites.
I was fascinated to read someone's comment that Iran is related to Aryan. I didn't know that (and, I admit, I've not checked. I hope it is true!)
I line to try to bring up Arian Christianity just to confuse with Aryan, but the chance doesn't cone up much.
That was me. Iran is an anglicisation of the Persian for 'Land (or Place) of the Aryans'.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
Most peop,e have little conception of the Latin phrases denoted by things such etc or ie, they may as well just be English words, and they're short and useful, so not using them doesn't seem like it would help at all.
By the by, I was told by a Latin speaker than where we use et cetera actual Latin speakers would have used a different phrase, but I cannot recall what it was, I'd be fascinated if they were right or just pulling my leg.
If only there were some global resource that would allow people to actually look shit up and learn something. It would be fantastic.
Your sarcasm is noted. I'm fascinated in the sense if the answer falls in my lap I'd be Interestec, but I dont care enough to check. I hope you permit people to use words figuratively.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
Most peop,e have little conception of the Latin phrases denoted by things such etc or ie, they may as well just be English words, and they're short and useful, so not using them doesn't seem like it would help at all.
By the by, I was told by a Latin speaker than where we use et cetera actual Latin speakers would have used a different phrase, but I cannot recall what it was, I'd be fascinated if they were right or just pulling my leg.
If only there were some global resource that would allow people to actually look shit up and learn something. It would be fantastic.
Your sarcasm is noted. I'm fascinated in the sense if the answer falls in my lap I'd be Interestec, but I dont care enough to check. I hope you permit people to use words figuratively.
I was talking in generalities rather than you in particular. Learning is good for people. People on PB get a pass. Not many thickos on here.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
English has ripped off every language going. Regal is from the Latin. Royal from French (the root of which is also Latin), Kingly is from Old English. Roughly equivalent meanings.
I love etymology. Another reason for that dearth of party invites.
I was fascinated to read someone's comment that Iran is related to Aryan. I didn't know that (and, I admit, I've not checked. I hope it is true!)
I line to try to bring up Arian Christianity just to confuse with Aryan, but the chance doesn't cone up much.
That was me. Iran is an anglicisation of the Persian for 'Land (or Place) of the Aryans'.
Thanks, John, for making me a tiny bit more knowledgeable today!
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
I think I might start quoting some Catullus 16 at those civil servants that are planning to remove the great language that is Latin from our lives.
You're supposed to be English, remember?
English is the best language in the world!
25% of the English language is derived from Latin you thicko pleb.
But it's English, not Latin, we speak in this country, you Tedious Tory Twat!
A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973)[1] that estimated the origin of English words as follows:
Influences in English vocabulary
Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
Germanic languages – inherited from Old English, from Proto-Germanic, or a more recent borrowing from a Germanic language such as Old Norse; does not include Germanic words borrowed from a Romance language, i.e., coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages: 25%
I love etymology. Another reason for that dearth of party invites.
I used to use life tables to tell people when they would die. You'd think they'd like to know things like that, but..
You know that idea that everyone has a superpower? I would be Captain Boring.
I was born 1960. When do I die?
I always thought people became actuaries when they didn't have enough personality to become an accountant.
Accountancy is for people who can't subtract (the trick with double-entry bookkeeping is it minimises the need for subtraction). I am not an actuary, tho I did do some of the exams.
1. How and where did a 17 year old German kid acquire a modern handgun and 300 rounds of ammunition?
Bonus question:
2. How and where did he learn to shoot with reasonable accuracy?
Is it really that hard to shoot with reasonable accuracy? I had a brief spell at a gun club when I was young, and I seem to remember that just pointing and pulling the trigger had roughly the desired effect.
A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973)[1] that estimated the origin of English words as follows:
Influences in English vocabulary
Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
Germanic languages – inherited from Old English, from Proto-Germanic, or a more recent borrowing from a Germanic language such as Old Norse; does not include Germanic words borrowed from a Romance language, i.e., coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages: 25%
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
English has ripped off every language going. Regal is from the Latin. Royal from French (the root of which is also Latin), Kingly is from Old English. Roughly equivalent meanings.
I love etymology. Another reason for that dearth of party invites.
I was fascinated to read someone's comment that Iran is related to Aryan. I didn't know that (and, I admit, I've not checked. I hope it is true!)
I line to try to bring up Arian Christianity just to confuse with Aryan, but the chance doesn't cone up much.
That was me. Iran is an anglicisation of the Persian for 'Land (or Place) of the Aryans'.
Thanks, John, for making me a tiny bit more knowledgeable today!
You're welcome. Thank you for the AGW exposition earlier. Not a topic I know much about.
A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973)[1] that estimated the origin of English words as follows:
Influences in English vocabulary
Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
Germanic languages – inherited from Old English, from Proto-Germanic, or a more recent borrowing from a Germanic language such as Old Norse; does not include Germanic words borrowed from a Romance language, i.e., coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages: 25%
A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973)[1] that estimated the origin of English words as follows:
Influences in English vocabulary
Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
Germanic languages – inherited from Old English, from Proto-Germanic, or a more recent borrowing from a Germanic language such as Old Norse; does not include Germanic words borrowed from a Romance language, i.e., coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages: 25%
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
Some of our language is Latin, some is Germanic in origin.
One curiosity I like is that the names of farm animals are generally Germanic in origin, while the names of the meat they produce tend to be French. E.g. cow/beef.
But that's just a byproduct of our class system isn't it?
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
Some of our language is Latin, some is Germanic in origin.
One curiosity I like is that the names of farm animals are generally Germanic in origin, while the names of the meat they produce tend to be French. E.g. cow/beef.
But that's just a byproduct of our class system isn't it?
Which, presumably, is a by-product of the Norman invasion.
1. How and where did a 17 year old German kid acquire a modern handgun and 300 rounds of ammunition?
Bonus question:
2. How and where did he learn to shoot with reasonable accuracy?
Is it really that hard to shoot with reasonable accuracy? I had a brief spell at a gun club when I was young, and I seem to remember that just pointing and pulling the trigger had roughly the desired effect.
Gun clubs don't provide you with moving targets in a street, chaos, noise and nerves.
If you look at the number of estimated rounds fired versus hits he wasn't that bad for a loner.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
Most peop,e have little conception of the Latin phrases denoted by things such etc or ie, they may as well just be English words, and they're short and useful, so not using them doesn't seem like it would help at all.
By the by, I was told by a Latin speaker than where we use et cetera actual Latin speakers would have used a different phrase, but I cannot recall what it was, I'd be fascinated if they were right or just pulling my leg.
If only there were some global resource that would allow people to actually look shit up and learn something. It would be fantastic.
Your sarcasm is noted. I'm fascinated in the sense if the answer falls in my lap I'd be Interestec, but I dont care enough to check. I hope you permit people to use words figuratively.
There's a word for that level of interest - one of my favourite words: velleity
It means roughly "an interest in achieving a certain outcome, but not a strong enough interest to put any effort into achieving it"
I think about it in the context that you would like to change the TV channel but you are in your favourite chair and the remote is on the other side of the room...
1. How and where did a 17 year old German kid acquire a modern handgun and 300 rounds of ammunition?
Bonus question:
2. How and where did he learn to shoot with reasonable accuracy?
Is it really that hard to shoot with reasonable accuracy? I had a brief spell at a gun club when I was young, and I seem to remember that just pointing and pulling the trigger had roughly the desired effect.
Gun clubs don't provide you with moving targets in a street, chaos, noise and nerves.
If you look at the number of estimated rounds fired versus hits he wasn't that bad for a loner.
Killed 9, injured 26? - with a Glock. That seems a very good hit rate.
One curiosity I like is that the names of farm animals are generally Germanic in origin, while the names of the meat they produce tend to be French. E.g. cow/beef.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
Some of our language is Latin, some is Germanic in origin.
One curiosity I like is that the names of farm animals are generally Germanic in origin, while the names of the meat they produce tend to be French. E.g. cow/beef.
But that's just a byproduct of our class system isn't it?
Which, presumably, is a by-product of the Norman invasion.
Yep but I replied before reading rest of the thread....
1. How and where did a 17 year old German kid acquire a modern handgun and 300 rounds of ammunition?
Bonus question:
2. How and where did he learn to shoot with reasonable accuracy?
Is it really that hard to shoot with reasonable accuracy? I had a brief spell at a gun club when I was young, and I seem to remember that just pointing and pulling the trigger had roughly the desired effect.
Gun clubs don't provide you with moving targets in a street, chaos, noise and nerves.
If you look at the number of estimated rounds fired versus hits he wasn't that bad for a loner.
The Columbine kids achieved a similar death toll.
Edit: And then there was the Erfurt massacre: 19-year-old, also with a Glock - 16 dead.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
Some of our language is Latin, some is Germanic in origin.
One curiosity I like is that the names of farm animals are generally Germanic in origin, while the names of the meat they produce tend to be French. E.g. cow/beef.
But that's just a byproduct of our class system isn't it?
Which, presumably, is a by-product of the Norman invasion.
Yep but I replied before reading rest of the thread....
1. How and where did a 17 year old German kid acquire a modern handgun and 300 rounds of ammunition?
Bonus question:
2. How and where did he learn to shoot with reasonable accuracy?
Is it really that hard to shoot with reasonable accuracy? I had a brief spell at a gun club when I was young, and I seem to remember that just pointing and pulling the trigger had roughly the desired effect.
Gun clubs don't provide you with moving targets in a street, chaos, noise and nerves.
If you look at the number of estimated rounds fired versus hits he wasn't that bad for a loner.
The Columbine kids achieved a similar death toll.
2 versus 1 gunmen...largely indoors less outdoors, long arms and handguns, larger magazines. In the US kids get to shoot shit without people noticing much, not so in Germany.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
The article says that Latin is part of our cultural heritage and a language from which English is descended. Is either actually true? Latin is/was a component of Catholic church ceremony, but outside the religious sphere it's little used. I also thought that English is descended from languages like Saxon, Norse, French, and isn't thought to be a Romance language. Happy to be contradicted on either point, but I am puzzled.
Some of our language is Latin, some is Germanic in origin.
One curiosity I like is that the names of farm animals are generally Germanic in origin, while the names of the meat they produce tend to be French. E.g. cow/beef.
But that's just a byproduct of our class system isn't it?
Which, presumably, is a by-product of the Norman invasion.
Yep but I replied before reading rest of the thread....
I had thought the majority of our words are latin in origin, with greek also contributing significantly in the technical arena, but that most of the most common words are from the Germanic (i.e. Old English) roots.
English borrows from every language, including Arabic (zero, saffron, tariff, alcohol, magazine, algebra, chemistry and coffee to name but a few)
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Huzzah indeed for the mut. Only touched Mrs May's hand. Mp preference, not hers!
Evil Medical SchoolImperial College to be called "Mr."But, if you wan't to engage, how did Labour do in 83 and 92, eh?
The modern electorate are swinging away from Socialism, and have been since the late 70s. Blair saw this. But then he isn't very popular amongst the Labour party anymore, is he?
Relationship between sea level and climate forcing by CO2 on geological timescales
Yes, my condescending friend, the positions of the continents were different, but this just meant that the Earth's climate adopted a different position on the CO2-temperature curve. The point is that the CO2 concentration remains proportional to the temperature, even though that temperature may be higher or lower. In the end, it is the Earth's radiation balance that determines its temperature.
Just heard that the wife's mother has passed though. Not unexpected, but still a difficult time.
So night all.
Oops, it ain't, stealthiness is the word I'm looking for,
For delicate flowers, it does contain some very strong language, the sort you'd associate with SeanT.
So many to choose from...
Aleppo is supposed to be the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world, going back 8000 years, but it may not be for much longer.
Looking at today's world, it is very hard to imagine what factor other than the increase in CO2 levels could be responsible for changing the Earth's radiation balance sufficiently to change its temperature by the degree or so measured over the last century.
Sur Humphreys not got anything better to do? And rather condescending of those for whom English is a second language. Most I know speak & in particular write better English than a lot of native speakers.
As for automated text readers, surely it can't be that hard to fix that bug.
Trump 51 Clinton 49
http://www.oann.com/pollnational/
Trump also now has lower unfavourables than Clinton.
POINT 1: WHAT DOES A "NEW DEAL" MEAN?
If he's ready to come out and admit that what he wants is freedom of movement over border control, then he may have had a more receptive audience. But if he's still eliding his position by using phrases like "controlled immigration", then there's no point in listening to him, since border controls over freedom of movement is currently Government policy.
POINT 2: WHAT DOES "WORK TOGETHER" MEAN?
The Government is LEAVE: it intends to implement Article 50 and negotiate a new deal with the EU and the nations of the world. REMAIN have no agency here and they are not in the loop: there is nothing they can do or say to alter the outcome
So he's proselyting to an audience who have no ability to achieve a cause he cannot honestly bring himself to name. Which is pointless.
To be honest, I think at this point he just likes insulting people.
http://reaction.life/brexit-will-restore-parliament-force-britain-grow/
Most states have a list of no-nos for personalized plates which they give you when you want such a plate. Some of them are obvious: VAG, TIT etc. Some really take some puzzling to understand.
English is the best language in the world!
However I am not sure how the use of "e.g." forms part of recognising our heritage or making use of anything useful.
I love etymology. Another reason for that dearth of party invites.
Colorado is quite lovely (this is an unrelated aside, but apparently we can't write non sequitur anymore)
Influences in English vocabulary
Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
Germanic languages – inherited from Old English, from Proto-Germanic, or a more recent borrowing from a Germanic language such as Old Norse; does not include Germanic words borrowed from a Romance language, i.e., coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages: 25%
Greek: 5.32%
No etymology given: 4.04%
Derived from proper names: 3.28%
All other languages: less than 1%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_influence_in_English
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Indian_origin
I was born 1960. When do I die?
By the by, I was told by a Latin speaker than where we use et cetera actual Latin speakers would have used a different phrase, but I cannot recall what it was, I'd be fascinated if they were right or just pulling my leg.
(For the avoidance of doubt, that's only a statistical thing. You may die before or after that)
1. How and where did a 17 year old German kid acquire a modern handgun and 300 rounds of ammunition?
Bonus question:
2. How and where did he learn to shoot with reasonable accuracy?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/were-working-harder-feel-more-stressed-and-have-less-security/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayalam
But in practice I consider English my first language.
If you look at the number of estimated rounds fired versus hits he wasn't that bad for a loner.
It means roughly "an interest in achieving a certain outcome, but not a strong enough interest to put any effort into achieving it"
I think about it in the context that you would like to change the TV channel but you are in your favourite chair and the remote is on the other side of the room...
Edit: And then there was the Erfurt massacre: 19-year-old, also with a Glock - 16 dead.
Polly T and eoin have fallen out....
Has there been mention of the observer poll showing Corbyn miles ahead of owens jones/smith
English borrows from every language, including Arabic (zero, saffron, tariff, alcohol, magazine, algebra, chemistry and coffee to name but a few)