Sorry to break up a nice row, but wasn't the original headline "set to be record year"? Set is one of those useful journalistic words, like 'could' and 'may'.
Its an El Nino year. The first 5 months were hotter than the previous record El Nino event (97-98) but the June temperature has rather fallen off a cliff and is notably cold than the 97-98 equivalent. Making a prediction based on the current data is a fundamentally stupid thing to do.
How else would you make a prediction?
Sorry let me correct my language. What Bromptonaut made was not a prediction but a claim. His complete posting was:
"Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?"
Sorry to break up a nice row, but wasn't the original headline "set to be record year"? Set is one of those useful journalistic words, like 'could' and 'may'.
Its an El Nino year. The first 5 months were hotter than the previous record El Nino event (97-98) but the June temperature has rather fallen off a cliff and is notably cold than the 97-98 equivalent. Making a prediction based on the current data is a fundamentally stupid thing to do.
How else would you make a prediction?
Well quite. I think the words "cast iron" are missing
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
North or South Yemen. Aden years?
One time in the Empty Quarter, I was very careful to drink constantly. Had no idea I was sweating so much as my skin was dry. But it had turned milk white. A solid layer of salt.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
In the late 80s I was involved in a project looking at dune movement over Sabkah deposits in the Northern part of the Empty Quarter. We would regularly measure temperatures in the sun in excess of 60-65 degrees. Of course these can't be counted as official records as you don't count temperatures in direct sunlight. But it made for uncomfortable working.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We'd be better off doing alot of things rather than Hinkley C methinks.
"His parents had come to Germany in the late 1990s as asylum seekers, Interior Minister Thomas De Maiziere said."
I see why there is some limbo dancing going on over David. However, the reports appear to suggest this is most akin to a US style school shooting than anything else.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
North or South Yemen. Aden years?
One time in the Empty Quarter, I was very careful to drink constantly. Had no idea I was sweating so much as my skin was dry. But it had turned milk white. A solid layer of salt.
Supposedly unified years. Just before they started lobbing Scud missiles into Sana'a. I remember we flew from Sana'a and over the mud skyscrapers of Shibam, then somewhere east of that, landed in the most unlikely airstrip - where stones had been shifted from a wadi.
We were actually drilling at the site I had been on the recce of when the civil war kicked off. Dropped everything, got our folks out through Mukalla. Went back months later, expecting the whole site to have been looted. But not a thing had been touched. A local chieftain had made it a point of honour to protect it.
Mr. K, indeed, but you can still catch my pre-race piece here : [NB, the Betfair Sportsbook has a better price, 5/4 rather than evens. Both confound me]
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 3m3 minutes ago Mike Smithson Retweeted Adam Bienkov Parish councils not principal authorities & don't generally get reported by any outlet outside area
Not sure they're reported much in the area either! How many could name a parish councillor they aren't related to?
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We'd be better off doing alot of things rather than Hinkley C methinks.
The deal may be very bad (I don't know the details) but that doesn't mean that the basic principle of non-hydrocarbon energy sources is bad. A safe nuclear generation system seems to me to be something very much worth pursuing along with effective renewable systems. I kind of find it hard to understand why anyone would oppose such systems given that they will eventually become cost effective.
Mr. K, indeed, but you can still catch my pre-race piece here : [NB, the Betfair Sportsbook has a better price, 5/4 rather than evens. Both confound me]
I took it earlier, on your recommendation, for small money I'm still furious that they considered a "did not start" as somehow not "not classified" before!
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 3m3 minutes ago Mike Smithson Retweeted Adam Bienkov Parish councils not principal authorities & don't generally get reported by any outlet outside area
Not sure they're reported much in the area either! How many could name a parish councillor they aren't related to?
I do think they should go back to the old system as I understand it used to be where you don't have party affiliation for parish councils.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We'd be better off doing alot of things rather than Hinkley C methinks.
The deal may be very bad (I don't know the details) but that doesn't mean that the basic principle of non-hydrocarbon energy sources is bad. A safe nuclear generation system seems to me to be something very much worth pursuing along with effective renewable systems. I kind of find it hard to understand why anyone would oppose such systems given that they will eventually become cost effective.
I take the Trident approach: it's a poor deal at the moment, but it may be vital, and the risk/reward needs to be adjusted accordingly.
Imagine if Britain found herself at war once again.
Mr. Rabbit, had a couple of DNSes not count as Not Classifieds, which is a bit irksome (worse was when a Merhi bet was considered failed rather than void, though the money was restored upon enquiry).
:-) For the record the other Satellite data set at RSS shows exactly the same effect.
I am hesitant to draw conclusions from this although May was also showing a drop but equally I think it is foolish to claim that just because the first half of the year was hotter than normal the second half will be as well given that we are now coming out of an El Nino event.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We'd be better off doing alot of things rather than Hinkley C methinks.
The deal may be very bad (I don't know the details) but that doesn't mean that the basic principle of non-hydrocarbon energy sources is bad. A safe nuclear generation system seems to me to be something very much worth pursuing along with effective renewable systems. I kind of find it hard to understand why anyone would oppose such systems given that they will eventually become cost effective.
Oh for sure - I'm just saying this specific instance is bad as the strike price is so high. Great deal for EDF and the Chinese, mind.
The lower troposphere data seems to somewhat contradict the NOAA surface data https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201606 . I don't know which is the more critical mind. Interestingly there seems to be a cold spot developing below Greenland, which isn't great news for us as it indicates potential incoming saline flow disruption.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
North or South Yemen. Aden years?
One time in the Empty Quarter, I was very careful to drink constantly. Had no idea I was sweating so much as my skin was dry. But it had turned milk white. A solid layer of salt.
Supposedly unified years. Just before they started lobbing Scud missiles into Sana'a. I remember we flew from Sana'a and over the mud skyscrapers of Shibam, then somewhere east of that, landed in the most unlikely airstrip - where stones had been shifted from a wadi.
We were actually drilling at the site I had been on the recce of when the civil war kicked off. Dropped everything, got our folks out through Mukalla. Went back months later, expecting the whole site to have been looted. But not a thing had been touched. A local chieftain had made it a point of honour to protect it.
Yemen's funny like that. I was in the North, pre-unification, 1982-85. The only worry about going out and about exploring was having your car stolen at gunpoint. No terrorism involved, just good old theft. Or taxation, depending on your point of view.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We've already exhausted all the prime spots for onshore wind farms, for example:
While I conceded the price does seem on the high side, nuclear should play an important role in providing baseline output. I'm only disappointed we aren't building more so we have a much more nuclear-heavy mix like France.
That graph is based on an analysis by Roy Spencer of UAH of MSU satellite measurements of the radiance of the lower troposphere. These are not direct temperature measurements, and they are not surface temperature measurements. And I'm sure that Richard is aware that such analyses are fraught with difficulty and have been revised multiple times to correct for errors. Interestingly, Dr Spencer refuses to publish the algorithms that he uses to produce his temperature data, while NASA's methods and data are published openly on the internet.
It should also be noted that these satellite readings tend to amplify the effect of El Nino years, so it's not at all surprising that they should be indicating a rapid temperature fall as the current El Nino ends. The surface temperature is falling too, and the next few years are unlikely to set fresh records, but the underlying trend remains upwards.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
Hottest temperature recorded was 56.7C in 1913 (Death Valley, CA), there was also a 55 in Tunisia in 1931.
For Phoenix, I can attest to that. Hard to describe, but I actually missed the sensation of feeling cold!
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
Hottest temperature recorded was 56.7C in 1913 (Death Valley, CA), there was also a 55 in Tunisia in 1931.
For Phoenix, I can attest to that. Hard to describe, but I actually missed the sensation of feeling cold!
But Phoenix is a dry heat! (cue pics of skeletons in deck chairs saying so).
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We've already exhausted all the prime spots for onshore wind farms, for example:
While I conceded the price does seem on the high side, nuclear should play an important role in providing baseline output. I'm only disappointed we aren't building more so we have a much more nuclear-heavy mix like France.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
Hottest temperature recorded was 56.7C in 1913 (Death Valley, CA), there was also a 55 in Tunisia in 1931.
For Phoenix, I can attest to that. Hard to describe, but I actually missed the sensation of feeling cold!
But Phoenix is a dry heat! (cue pics of skeletons in deck chairs saying so).
As a kid I went to Florida and California. I know which was preferrable
Huzzah for Joe Root, Jonny Bairstow, and Chris Woakes.
I'd hate to be Joel Wilson tonight, there's several thousand people in Manchester that would like to have a few words with him for curtailing the innings of Ben Stokes.
On topic, I'm not sure Labour would win a general election if the electorate was limited to 2015 Labour voters.
Off topic, the morning thread (or depending on the schedules, the afternoon thread) contains reference to Hannibal and The Second Punic War, as I compare a UK politician to Hannibal.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We've already exhausted all the prime spots for onshore wind farms, for example:
While I conceded the price does seem on the high side, nuclear should play an important role in providing baseline output. I'm only disappointed we aren't building more so we have a much more nuclear-heavy mix like France.
We can build more in Scotland though.
I assume that it is being done, where economically viable. My point was that the low hanging fruit has already been picked.
That graph is based on an analysis by Roy Spencer of UAH of MSU satellite measurements of the radiance of the lower troposphere. These are not direct temperature measurements, and they are not surface temperature measurements. And I'm sure that Richard is aware that such analyses are fraught with difficulty and have been revised multiple times to correct for errors. Interestingly, Dr Spencer refuses to publish the algorithms that he uses to produce his temperature data, while NASA's methods and data are published openly on the internet.
It should also be noted that these satellite readings tend to amplify the effect of El Nino years, so it's not at all surprising that they should be indicating a rapid temperature fall as the current El Nino ends. The surface temperature is falling too, and the next few years are unlikely to set fresh records, but the underlying trend remains upwards.
Sorry but this is just garbage. The exact same effect is seen by the RSS satellite data set run by a completely different organisation and in fact both systems do publish all of their data and have had their algorithms independently checked and verified - by NASA and the NOAA. Given that Spencer actually also works for NASA the comparison is rather... misleading?
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We've already exhausted all the prime spots for onshore wind farms, for example:
While I conceded the price does seem on the high side, nuclear should play an important role in providing baseline output. I'm only disappointed we aren't building more so we have a much more nuclear-heavy mix like France.
We are going to be paying them double the amount what the energy is worth! On the high side is understatement, no prudent government that claims to be " living within our means" should be doing this.
We haven't even started to harness our offshore energy from renewables and it will mean every region of the country would benefit helping us to rebalance.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We've already exhausted all the prime spots for onshore wind farms, for example:
While I conceded the price does seem on the high side, nuclear should play an important role in providing baseline output. I'm only disappointed we aren't building more so we have a much more nuclear-heavy mix like France.
We can build more in Scotland though.
I assume that it is being done, where economically viable. My point was that the low hanging fruit has already been picked.
@rcs1000 seems to know his onions on this, Hinkley C pushes the underlying price to the right and he thinks we should go for CCGTs or something along those lines.
I'm really not opposed to nuclear in principle but just think this particular plant is a shockingly poor idea. It reminds me of alof of PFI "Well we must have better schools and hospitals/ clean energy" signed up to.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We'd be better off doing alot of things rather than Hinkley C methinks.
The deal may be very bad (I don't know the details) but that doesn't mean that the basic principle of non-hydrocarbon energy sources is bad. A safe nuclear generation system seems to me to be something very much worth pursuing along with effective renewable systems. I kind of find it hard to understand why anyone would oppose such systems given that they will eventually become cost effective.
Oh for sure - I'm just saying this specific instance is bad as the strike price is so high. Great deal for EDF and the Chinese, mind.
The lower troposphere data seems to somewhat contradict the NOAA surface data https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201606 . I don't know which is the more critical mind. Interestingly there seems to be a cold spot developing below Greenland, which isn't great news for us as it indicates potential incoming saline flow disruption.
The NOAA data is notoriously poor. Ignoring for a moment the poor siting of surface stations, much of the warming seen is in northern climes where little or no measurement is done and measurements have to be projected from stations further south..
One certainly should not ignore the evidence provided by the surface station analysis but it has to be treated with caution and - as with the satellite data - it has to be carefully assessed. Given the direct contradictions between the two types of data sets making any definitive statements about trends seems fraught with danger.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We've already exhausted all the prime spots for onshore wind farms, for example:
While I conceded the price does seem on the high side, nuclear should play an important role in providing baseline output. I'm only disappointed we aren't building more so we have a much more nuclear-heavy mix like France.
We can build more in Scotland though.
We have passed peak electricity demand in the UK. There are multiple options to produce it now. Coal, gas, wind, hydro and solar as well as nuclear. New storage systems are on the way so we can match demand to supply better.
Given all this why is the UK signing up for such a contract is beyond me. The cost is over twice existing rates and requires we take all the output not as we require it.
Huzzah for Joe Root, Jonny Bairstow, and Chris Woakes.
I'd hate to be Joel Wilson tonight, there's several thousand people in Manchester that would like to have a few words with him for curtailing the innings of Ben Stokes.
On topic, I'm not sure Labour would win a general election if the electorate was limited to 2015 Labour voters.
Off topic, the morning thread (or depending on the schedules, the afternoon thread) contains reference to Hannibal and The Second Punic War, as I compare a UK politician to Hannibal.
I thought Stokes was out fair and square. Both the hotspot and the Snickometer seemed to show he gloved it.
Some people are just setting themselves up for disappointment.
What's becoming abundantly clear is that wining the referendum hasn't assuaged and won't ever assuage the anti-EU frothers one iota. We've had forty years of them railing against EU membership; we're going to get an eternity of them railing against the nature of the Brexit that is eventually decided. I'm crushed. I just can't summon up the strength to deal with them all over again.
Off topic, the morning thread (or depending on the schedules, the afternoon thread) contains reference to Hannibal and The Second Punic War, as I compare a UK politician to Hannibal.
Mr Eagles, I hope that you have checked your reference with the sites resident classical scholar ( Mr Morris_Dancer).
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
Mitribah, Kuwait had the hottest day according to Burt last week so not sure if that covers night as well. As it was the hottest day recorded that does not necessarily mean there were not higher temperatures recorded at specific times in Death Valley or Tunisia
Huzzah for Joe Root, Jonny Bairstow, and Chris Woakes.
I'd hate to be Joel Wilson tonight, there's several thousand people in Manchester that would like to have a few words with him for curtailing the innings of Ben Stokes.
On topic, I'm not sure Labour would win a general election if the electorate was limited to 2015 Labour voters.
Off topic, the morning thread (or depending on the schedules, the afternoon thread) contains reference to Hannibal and The Second Punic War, as I compare a UK politician to Hannibal.
I thought Stokes was out fair and square. Both the hotspot and the Snickometer seemed to show he gloved it.
We all thought the hot spot was already there (and so did Joel Wilson at the start) and snicko was due to foot movement sounds (and so did Joel Wilson mid way through)
There was not conclusive to overturn the decision.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
I once visited Death Valley in CA, and one of the attractions is you are visiting the place with hottest ever temperature recorded. Wikipedia says this was 56, but does say is contention.
Weather historian Christopher C Burt says it was the hottest ever recorded but it depends which figures you want to believe. Death Valley also obviously very hot
It also depends on the method of recording. Most of the world's truly hottest places are not inhabited and so do not have weather stations to record the heat. If you go by satellite temperature recordings, Iran's Lut Desert takes the prize:
"The single highest land skin temperature recorded in any year of the study was found in the Lut Desert in 2005 and measured a stunning 159.3 F (70.7 C). Lut had the highest surface temperature in 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2009 as well."
Having explored the Empty Quarter in Yemen and visited Lac Abbe in Djibouti, I can believe that surface temperatures can get well above the 50c mark, but there is no-one there to record it.
Yes there may have been higher unrecorded temperatures too
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
Mitribah, Kuwait had the hottest day according to Burt last week so not sure if that covers night as well. As it was the hottest day recorded that does not necessarily mean there were not higher temperatures recorded at specific times in Death Valley or Tunisia
Are you talking about hottest average temperature over the 24 hours? Then 54C is not the pertinent number.
Off topic, the morning thread (or depending on the schedules, the afternoon thread) contains reference to Hannibal and The Second Punic War, as I compare a UK politician to Hannibal.
Mr Eagles, I hope that you have checked your reference with the sites resident classical scholar ( Mr Morris_Dancer).
Hah, I have an A Level in history and considered reading Literae Humaniores whilst Mr Dancer is self taught, and can't you tell
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
Mitribah, Kuwait had the hottest day according to Burt last week so not sure if that covers night as well. As it was the hottest day recorded that does not necessarily mean there were not higher temperatures recorded at specific times in Death Valley or Tunisia
Are you talking about hottest average temperature over the 24 hours? Then 54C is not the pertinent number.
Weather historian Christopher Burt says it was the hottest day, if you wish to argue semantics take it up with him!
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
Mitribah, Kuwait had the hottest day according to Burt last week so not sure if that covers night as well. As it was the hottest day recorded that does not necessarily mean there were not higher temperatures recorded at specific times in Death Valley or Tunisia
Are you talking about hottest average temperature over the 24 hours? Then 54C is not the pertinent number.
Weather historian Christopher Burt says it was the hottest day, if you wish to argue semantics take it up with him!
You were the one conflating hottest day with the hottest temperature recorded on that day.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We've already exhausted all the prime spots for onshore wind farms, for example:
While I conceded the price does seem on the high side, nuclear should play an important role in providing baseline output. I'm only disappointed we aren't building more so we have a much more nuclear-heavy mix like France.
We can build more in Scotland though.
I assume that it is being done, where economically viable. My point was that the low hanging fruit has already been picked.
Yes they don't mind F****ing Scotland up and charging us a fortune for the grid. That scam will be gone soon when we give the two fingers to UK.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We've already exhausted all the prime spots for onshore wind farms, for example:
While I conceded the price does seem on the high side, nuclear should play an important role in providing baseline output. I'm only disappointed we aren't building more so we have a much more nuclear-heavy mix like France.
We can build more in Scotland though.
I assume that it is being done, where economically viable. My point was that the low hanging fruit has already been picked.
Yes they don't mind F****ing Scotland up and charging us a fortune for the grid. That scam will be gone soon when we give the two fingers to UK.
Do you object to offshore wind farms? I thought those were sufficiently far away as not to be a bother to anyone.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
Mitribah, Kuwait had the hottest day according to Burt last week so not sure if that covers night as well. As it was the hottest day recorded that does not necessarily mean there were not higher temperatures recorded at specific times in Death Valley or Tunisia
Are you talking about hottest average temperature over the 24 hours? Then 54C is not the pertinent number.
Weather historian Christopher Burt says it was the hottest day, if you wish to argue semantics take it up with him!
You were the one conflating hottest day with the hottest temperature recorded on that day.
I actually originally said the hottest day ever recorded in the world, not the hottest temperature ever recorded
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We've already exhausted all the prime spots for onshore wind farms, for example:
While I conceded the price does seem on the high side, nuclear should play an important role in providing baseline output. I'm only disappointed we aren't building more so we have a much more nuclear-heavy mix like France.
We can build more in Scotland though.
I assume that it is being done, where economically viable. My point was that the low hanging fruit has already been picked.
Yes they don't mind F****ing Scotland up and charging us a fortune for the grid. That scam will be gone soon when we give the two fingers to UK.
Do you object to offshore wind farms? I thought those were sufficiently far away as not to be a bother to anyone.
they are all onshore though , F&&&ing shedloads of them. Do object to them stiffing us for mega charges to get power onto grid, typical though.
The Opinium poll does not show much sign of a honeymoon for Theresa May. On those figures, her majority would fall to just 6.
Missed the ICM/YouGov polls?
Far from it - though ICM's methodology change boosted the Tory lead by 2%. Whatever boost there has been appears to have been pretty modest. Will be surprised if any remains by mid-September.
McDonnell and Corbyn have had a great day as they approve proposals to emasculate employment in UK pharmaceutical research followed by a public celebration of a Thanet Parish Council Election.
I will apply for a job as trumpeter to celebrate the golden dawn of Corbyn's revolution.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We've already exhausted all the prime spots for onshore wind farms, for example:
While I conceded the price does seem on the high side, nuclear should play an important role in providing baseline output. I'm only disappointed we aren't building more so we have a much more nuclear-heavy mix like France.
We can build more in Scotland though.
I assume that it is being done, where economically viable. My point was that the low hanging fruit has already been picked.
Yes they don't mind F****ing Scotland up and charging us a fortune for the grid. That scam will be gone soon when we give the two fingers to UK.
Do you object to offshore wind farms? I thought those were sufficiently far away as not to be a bother to anyone.
they are all onshore though , F&&&ing shedloads of them.
Wow, only 4% of capacity is offshore. I would have thought it would have been more equal.
The Opinium poll does not show much sign of a honeymoon for Theresa May. On those figures, her majority would fall to just 6.
Missed the ICM/YouGov polls?
Far from it - though ICM's methodology change boosted the Tory lead by 2%. Whatever boost there has been appears to have been pretty modest. Will be surprised if any remains by mid-September.
The Opinium poll does not show much sign of a honeymoon for Theresa May. On those figures, her majority would fall to just 6.
Missed the ICM/YouGov polls?
Far from it - though ICM's methodology change boosted the Tory lead by 2%. Whatever boost there has been appears to have been pretty modest. Will be surprised if any remains by mid-September.
The Opinium poll does not show much sign of a honeymoon for Theresa May. On those figures, her majority would fall to just 6.
Missed the ICM/YouGov polls?
Far from it - though ICM's methodology change boosted the Tory lead by 2%. Whatever boost there has been appears to have been pretty modest. Will be surprised if any remains by mid-September.
A +10% from YouGov is hardly modest
But that was from 3 months earlier!
You think the Tory figure went up during the referendum period?
This past few summers in South Wales I've been struck by how wet the ground is. It never seems to be bone dry anymore. I remember as a kid playing football in the summer and the goal area would always be absolutely rock hard. It's never like that anymore. Only a fortnight back I was walking the dog and our rugby field had a huge puddle of lying water on it.
Admittedly Wales nowadays looks green and lush and beautifully overgrown but our summers tend to be rainy and very unpredictable. Summers are generally more heavy and tropical than airy and sunny.
I did climb Pen Y Fan today though and it was gorgeous. Loads of us went including my three year old daughter and 15 year old dog. We could see as far as Rhayader north and Exmoor south. A summer's day to savour in the beautiful Brecon Beacons. And the dog struggled less than my wife!
The Opinium poll does not show much sign of a honeymoon for Theresa May. On those figures, her majority would fall to just 6.
Even with Opinium the Tories are up 0.1% on the election, Labour up 0. 6% and the LDs down 2%, UKIP up 2%. Not forgetting the boundary changes in 2018
No - the poll shows GB figures. The Tories are down 0.8% with Labour dropping 0.2%. Tory GB lead down from 6.6% to 6.0%
Well Opinium do occasionally do poll UK wide, thus including Northern Ireland, and the Observer graphic does describe it as a UK wide poll
OK -if I am wrong on this occasion I am happy to bow humbly to HYUFD!
Humble bow accepted, though you can console yourself with the 3 seats Labour would win off the Tories on the Opinium UK swing. Corbyn would at least have gained a seat or two unlike Ed Miliband
The Opinium poll does not show much sign of a honeymoon for Theresa May. On those figures, her majority would fall to just 6.
Even with Opinium the Tories are up 0.1% on the election, Labour up 0. 6% and the LDs down 2%, UKIP up 2%. Not forgetting the boundary changes in 2018
No - the poll shows GB figures. The Tories are down 0.8% with Labour dropping 0.2%. Tory GB lead down from 6.6% to 6.0%
Well Opinium do occasionally do poll UK wide, thus including Northern Ireland, and the Observer graphic does describe it as a UK wide poll
OK -if I am wrong on this occasion I am happy to bow humbly to HYUFD!
Humble bow accepted, though you can console yourself with the 3 seats Labour would win off the Tories on the Opinium UK swing. Corbyn would at least have gained a seat or two unlike Ed Miliband
The Opinium poll does not show much sign of a honeymoon for Theresa May. On those figures, her majority would fall to just 6.
Even with Opinium the Tories are up 0.1% on the election, Labour up 0. 6% and the LDs down 2%, UKIP up 2%. Not forgetting the boundary changes in 2018
No - the poll shows GB figures. The Tories are down 0.8% with Labour dropping 0.2%. Tory GB lead down from 6.6% to 6.0%
Well Opinium do occasionally do poll UK wide, thus including Northern Ireland, and the Observer graphic does describe it as a UK wide poll
If it is a UK - rather than GB - poll the 1% for Others looks a bit low. Total support for Unionists/SDLP/Sinn Fein/ Alliance/ BNP and other minor parties would surely amount to more than that.
The Opinium poll does not show much sign of a honeymoon for Theresa May. On those figures, her majority would fall to just 6.
Even with Opinium the Tories are up 0.1% on the election, Labour up 0. 6% and the LDs down 2%, UKIP up 2%. Not forgetting the boundary changes in 2018
No - the poll shows GB figures. The Tories are down 0.8% with Labour dropping 0.2%. Tory GB lead down from 6.6% to 6.0%
Well Opinium do occasionally do poll UK wide, thus including Northern Ireland, and the Observer graphic does describe it as a UK wide poll
OK -if I am wrong on this occasion I am happy to bow humbly to HYUFD!
You might also admit that your assumption also might be wrong.
At GE 2015 there was a Con to Lab swing and yet the Tories lead in seats over Labour increased, which was truly awesome when you consider the brilliance of Labour's ground game at GE2015
The Opinium poll does not show much sign of a honeymoon for Theresa May. On those figures, her majority would fall to just 6.
Even with Opinium the Tories are up 0.1% on the election, Labour up 0. 6% and the LDs down 2%, UKIP up 2%. Not forgetting the boundary changes in 2018
No - the poll shows GB figures. The Tories are down 0.8% with Labour dropping 0.2%. Tory GB lead down from 6.6% to 6.0%
Well Opinium do occasionally do poll UK wide, thus including Northern Ireland, and the Observer graphic does describe it as a UK wide poll
OK -if I am wrong on this occasion I am happy to bow humbly to HYUFD!
You might also admit that your assumption also might be wrong.
At GE 2015 there was a Con to Lab swing and yet the Tories lead seats over Labour increased, which was truly awesome when you consider the brilliance of Labour's ground game at GE2015
The Opinium poll does not show much sign of a honeymoon for Theresa May. On those figures, her majority would fall to just 6.
Even with Opinium the Tories are up 0.1% on the election, Labour up 0. 6% and the LDs down 2%, UKIP up 2%. Not forgetting the boundary changes in 2018
No - the poll shows GB figures. The Tories are down 0.8% with Labour dropping 0.2%. Tory GB lead down from 6.6% to 6.0%
Well Opinium do occasionally do poll UK wide, thus including Northern Ireland, and the Observer graphic does describe it as a UK wide poll
OK -if I am wrong on this occasion I am happy to bow humbly to HYUFD!
You might also admit that your assumption also might be wrong.
At GE 2015 there was a Con to Lab swing and yet the Tories lead seats over Labour increased, which was truly awesome when you consider the brilliance of Labour's ground game at GE2015
Mainly because they got munted in Scotland
Even in England there was a Con to Lab swing, and the Tory lead in seats over Labour increased.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?
So that means which should be subsidising EDF to the tune of billions upon billions? Ifciurse EDF will build it now the fall in wholesale energy means the money they will be receiving from us will make them very rich indeed.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
We've already exhausted all the prime spots for onshore wind farms, for example:
While I conceded the price does seem on the high side, nuclear should play an important role in providing baseline output. I'm only disappointed we aren't building more so we have a much more nuclear-heavy mix like France.
We can build more in Scotland though.
I assume that it is being done, where economically viable. My point was that the low hanging fruit has already been picked.
Yes they don't mind F****ing Scotland up and charging us a fortune for the grid. That scam will be gone soon when we give the two fingers to UK.
Do you object to offshore wind farms? I thought those were sufficiently far away as not to be a bother to anyone.
Offshore wind farms are quite beautiful in my humble opinion. I could spend hours watching the play of light on those off Skegness on a day of broken clouds. They turn a rather flat and boring seascape (on calm days at least) into something magical.
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And how many of those due to rain ?
"Why on Earth? You do know 2016 is the hottest year on record don't you?"
Clearly this is bollocks hence my rebuttal.
Mr. W, indeed.
One time in the Empty Quarter, I was very careful to drink constantly. Had no idea I was sweating so much as my skin was dry. But it had turned milk white. A solid layer of salt.
We should instead replace our coal imports with shale gas, and be building the Cardiff bay tidal lagoon. As well as other wind, wave and tidal projects. We are so rich in renewable energy in this country we just need to harness it. And create thousands of jobs here not France.
I see why there is some limbo dancing going on over David. However, the reports appear to suggest this is most akin to a US style school shooting than anything else.
We were actually drilling at the site I had been on the recce of when the civil war kicked off. Dropped everything, got our folks out through Mukalla. Went back months later, expecting the whole site to have been looted. But not a thing had been touched. A local chieftain had made it a point of honour to protect it.
[NB, the Betfair Sportsbook has a better price, 5/4 rather than evens. Both confound me]
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/hungary-pre-race-2016.html
Corbyn has a go at the press for not reporting the result of one parish council by-election. https://twitter.com/jonwalker121/status/756888419565993984 …
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 3m3 minutes ago
Mike Smithson Retweeted Adam Bienkov
Parish councils not principal authorities & don't generally get reported by any outlet outside area
Not sure they're reported much in the area either! How many could name a parish councillor they aren't related to?
Imagine if Britain found herself at war once again.
Con 37
Lab 31
LD 6
UKIP 15
Lab supporters (ie NOT just members / registered supporters):
Corbyn 54
Smith 22
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/23/labour-leadership-jeremy-corbyn-more-double-support-owen-smith
http://www.politico.eu/article/carles-puigdemont-catalan-leader-rules-out-independence-during-mandate/
I am hesitant to draw conclusions from this although May was also showing a drop but equally I think it is foolish to claim that just because the first half of the year was hotter than normal the second half will be as well given that we are now coming out of an El Nino event.
The lower troposphere data seems to somewhat contradict the NOAA surface data https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201606 . I don't know which is the more critical mind. Interestingly there seems to be a cold spot developing below Greenland, which isn't great news for us as it indicates potential incoming saline flow disruption.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/04/england-not-windy-enough-admits-wind-industry-chief/
While I conceded the price does seem on the high side, nuclear should play an important role in providing baseline output. I'm only disappointed we aren't building more so we have a much more nuclear-heavy mix like France.
It should also be noted that these satellite readings tend to amplify the effect of El Nino years, so it's not at all surprising that they should be indicating a rapid temperature fall as the current El Nino ends. The surface temperature is falling too, and the next few years are unlikely to set fresh records, but the underlying trend remains upwards.
For Phoenix, I can attest to that. Hard to describe, but I actually missed the sensation of feeling cold!
Some people are just setting themselves up for disappointment.
I'd hate to be Joel Wilson tonight, there's several thousand people in Manchester that would like to have a few words with him for curtailing the innings of Ben Stokes.
On topic, I'm not sure Labour would win a general election if the electorate was limited to 2015 Labour voters.
Off topic, the morning thread (or depending on the schedules, the afternoon thread) contains reference to Hannibal and The Second Punic War, as I compare a UK politician to Hannibal.
Edit: Heh, said Corbynista is someone who was once captured by the Taliban
We haven't even started to harness our offshore energy from renewables and it will mean every region of the country would benefit helping us to rebalance.
I'm really not opposed to nuclear in principle but just think this particular plant is a shockingly poor idea. It reminds me of alof of PFI "Well we must have better schools and hospitals/ clean energy" signed up to.
One certainly should not ignore the evidence provided by the surface station analysis but it has to be treated with caution and - as with the satellite data - it has to be carefully assessed. Given the direct contradictions between the two types of data sets making any definitive statements about trends seems fraught with danger.
Given all this why is the UK signing up for such a contract is beyond me. The cost is over twice existing rates and requires we take all the output not as we require it.
I really do wonder they'll go all Jonestown if Corbyn gets mullered at a general election.
Any Remoaners?
There was not conclusive to overturn the decision.
But I might be biased
Edited extra bit: received*
I will apply for a job as trumpeter to celebrate the golden dawn of Corbyn's revolution.
This past few summers in South Wales I've been struck by how wet the ground is. It never seems to be bone dry anymore. I remember as a kid playing football in the summer and the goal area would always be absolutely rock hard. It's never like that anymore. Only a fortnight back I was walking the dog and our rugby field had a huge puddle of lying water on it.
Admittedly Wales nowadays looks green and lush and beautifully overgrown but our summers tend to be rainy and very unpredictable. Summers are generally more heavy and tropical than airy and sunny.
I did climb Pen Y Fan today though and it was gorgeous. Loads of us went including my three year old daughter and 15 year old dog. We could see as far as Rhayader north and Exmoor south. A summer's day to savour in the beautiful Brecon Beacons. And the dog struggled less than my wife!
Corbyn aide accused of ‘illegal entry’ to MP’s Westminster office
Former shadow cabinet minister Seema Malhotra makes formal complaint to Commons Speaker and Labour leader over alleged security breach
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/23/jeremy-corbyn-aide-accused-illegal-entry-mps-office?CMP=twt_gu
At GE 2015 there was a Con to Lab swing and yet the Tories lead in seats over Labour increased, which was truly awesome when you consider the brilliance of Labour's ground game at GE2015
That way my bets win and my GSK shares hold their value.