Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
What is the long-term forecast for oil? i.e. in 10 years once the construction is complete?
While I expect oil to be trading in the $40-$60 range in the medium-term, I'd expect in the longer term it would be back to the $100 level.
Why is that, Mr T.? The demand for oil seems set to fall and there is no sign that its sources of supply are likely to dry up. In fact if prices do start to rise then will not the Septic's tight oil sources come back online as the once again become profitable?
I should have thought the availability of sources that can quickly be brought into play once the price makes them viable would actually act as cap to the oil price. I am not sure why you think it will ever again reach $100.
The reasons you quote are why I think the price will hold in the current range for the next 5-6 years. After that, it will depend on world economic growth and what happens with renewables. But for a finite resource where demand is increasing, you'd expect price to rise.
Looking around at what others (including in the business) predict, it seems I am not alone in making such an assumption:
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
What is the long-term forecast for oil? i.e. in 10 years once the construction is complete?
While I expect oil to be trading in the $40-$60 range in the medium-term, I'd expect in the longer term it would be back to the $100 level.
Why is that, Mr T.? The demand for oil seems set to fall and there is no sign that its sources of supply are likely to dry up. In fact if prices do start to rise then will not the Septic's tight oil sources come back online as the once again become profitable?
I should have thought the availability of sources that can quickly be brought into play once the price makes them viable would actually act as cap to the oil price. I am not sure why you think it will ever again reach $100.
The reasons you quote are why I think the price will hold in the current range for the next 5-6 years. After that, it will depend on world economic growth and what happens with renewables. But for a finite resource where demand is increasing, you'd expect price to rise.
Looking around at what others (including in the business) predict, it seems I am not alone in making such an assumption:
Most of the oil companies I know are pricing developments based on $80 a barrel in 2-3 years time. I doubt we will see anything above $100 a barrel except for very short term shock effects but I think a long term level of $80 a barrel is probably realistic.
I paid my £25 to vote for Owen Smith. Last year I had a vote as a Union Member as an affiliated member through Unison. As I was working in the public sector, now working in private sector, so thought I would have a say.
Radical Christian Evangelicals maybe from the descriptions given in the Telegraph. That or the extremist wing of the Methodists or, maybe even, the Taoist Revolutionary Front.
Either way they would seem to have been a bunch of incompetent wankers. Going single handed and unarmed up to serviceman and trying to drag him into a car, is not likely to be successful is it? As one would expect, the serviceman gave his assailant a smack in the mouth which put him on his arse and then the "knife wielding" (a knife with a three inch blade - i.e. a fecking penknife) assistant appeared to help his injured mate, while their intended victim trotted off.
If that is the quality of the terrorism threat we currently face in this country I think we may rest easy. We have certainly seen and defeated a lot worse.
Radical Christian Evangelicals maybe from the descriptions given in the Telegraph. That or the extremist wing of the Methodists or, maybe even, the Taoist Revolutionary Front.
Either way they would seem to have been a bunch of incompetent wankers. Going single handed and unarmed up to serviceman and trying to drag him into a car, is not likely to be successful is it? As one would expect, the serviceman gave his assailant a smack in the mouth which put him on his arse and then the "knife wielding" (a knife with a three inch blade - i.e. a fecking penknife) assistant appeared to help his injured mate, while their intended victim trotted off.
If that is the quality of the terrorism threat we currently face in this country I think we may rest easy. We have certainly seen and defeated a lot worse.
Radical Christian Evangelicals maybe from the descriptions given in the Telegraph. That or the extremist wing of the Methodists or, maybe even, the Taoist Revolutionary Front.
Either way they would seem to have been a bunch of incompetent wankers. Going single handed and unarmed up to serviceman and trying to drag him into a car, is not likely to be successful is it? As one would expect, the serviceman gave his assailant a smack in the mouth which put him on his arse and then the "knife wielding" (a knife with a three inch blade - i.e. a fecking penknife) assistant appeared to help his injured mate, while their intended victim trotted off.
If that is the quality of the terrorism threat we currently face in this country I think we may rest easy. We have certainly seen and defeated a lot worse.
I reckon it was radical mennonites!
Mennonites.....I can never remember are they the ones that point up or point down in caves
Radical Christian Evangelicals maybe from the descriptions given in the Telegraph. That or the extremist wing of the Methodists or, maybe even, the Taoist Revolutionary Front.
Either way they would seem to have been a bunch of incompetent wankers. Going single handed and unarmed up to serviceman and trying to drag him into a car, is not likely to be successful is it? As one would expect, the serviceman gave his assailant a smack in the mouth which put him on his arse and then the "knife wielding" (a knife with a three inch blade - i.e. a fecking penknife) assistant appeared to help his injured mate, while their intended victim trotted off.
If that is the quality of the terrorism threat we currently face in this country I think we may rest easy. We have certainly seen and defeated a lot worse.
I reckon it was radical mennonites!
Mennonites.....I can never remember are they the ones that point up or point down in caves
Lol. For those that don't know they are basically the liberal armish.
Most of the oil companies I know are pricing developments based on $80 a barrel in 2-3 years time. I doubt we will see anything above $100 a barrel except for very short term shock effects but I think a long term level of $80 a barrel is probably realistic.
Fair enough. My point is that you price oil at what you expect it to be when your energy stream comes online, not on the current price.
Old forces motto: "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face". Seems apposite.
While there are some very serious threats, there are also many 'plots' dreamed up by people who couldn't find their own arses with both hands, a map and a flashlight.
Radical Christian Evangelicals maybe from the descriptions given in the Telegraph. That or the extremist wing of the Methodists or, maybe even, the Taoist Revolutionary Front.
Either way they would seem to have been a bunch of incompetent wankers. Going single handed and unarmed up to serviceman and trying to drag him into a car, is not likely to be successful is it? As one would expect, the serviceman gave his assailant a smack in the mouth which put him on his arse and then the "knife wielding" (a knife with a three inch blade - i.e. a fecking penknife) assistant appeared to help his injured mate, while their intended victim trotted off.
If that is the quality of the terrorism threat we currently face in this country I think we may rest easy. We have certainly seen and defeated a lot worse.
I reckon it was radical mennonites!
Mennonites.....I can never remember are they the ones that point up or point down in caves
Lol. For those that don't know they are basically the liberal armish.
Aha!
Meanwhile not so liberal.....
Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has extended the period in which suspects can be detained without charge to 30 days, an official statement says. The statement also ordered the closure of more than 1,000 private schools and more than 1,200 associations. It follows last week's failed coup attempt against Mr Erdogan and the subsequent declaration of a state of emergency.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
What is the long-term forecast for oil? i.e. in 10 years once the construction is complete?
While I expect oil to be trading in the $40-$60 range in the medium-term, I'd expect in the longer term it would be back to the $100 level.
Why is that, Mr T.? The demand for oil seems set to fall and there is no sign that its sources of supply are likely to dry up. In fact if prices do start to rise then will not the Septic's tight oil sources come back online as the once again become profitable?
I should have thought the availability of sources that can quickly be brought into play once the price makes them viable would actually act as cap to the oil price. I am not sure why you think it will ever again reach $100.
The reasons you quote are why I think the price will hold in the current range for the next 5-6 years. After that, it will depend on world economic growth and what happens with renewables. But for a finite resource where demand is increasing, you'd expect price to rise.
Looking around at what others (including in the business) predict, it seems I am not alone in making such an assumption:
Thanks, for asking my questions, Mr. T.. I am not sure I would trust BP's long term forecast under any scenario - they are a company with skin in the game and they will want a higher oil price.
Let us assume for the moment that petrol/diesel cars are on their way out, electricity become the replacement for the internal combustion engine. (I am not sure whether it actually will I think Hydrogen might win out at the end). Oil is required for the petrochemical industry, but not for transport and certainly not for power generation. Take a heck of a lot of economic growth to replace the world's demand for oil for motor cars, would it not?
Britain's Chris Froome is on the verge of winning his third Tour de France title.
The Team Sky cyclist is leading the race going into Sunday's final stage which is little more than a procession ending in Paris
Sky news
I've got a bet on him winning 5.
Hopefully he can stay fit and interested for the next few years.
Good luck sir. At this rate he should crack it by 2018.
It was a Ladbrokes speciazl a few years back. 20-1 looked extraordinary odds at the time, he could have been on 4 already if it wasn't for injury woes a couple of times.
I've said it before but I don't think this is going to be the cakewalk for Corbyn that it was 1st time.
If those within Labour who intend to get him work on breaking the man, they will succeed eventually but they are going to have to take some heat in the process. Corbyn is a weed, a weak one and he can be broken.
Plus at some point his little brownshirts will mess up.
Why on earth are we going ahead with this when oil is at $50? Madness.
What is the long-term forecast for oil? i.e. in 10 years once the construction is complete?
While I expect oil to be trading in the $40-$60 range in the medium-term, I'd expect in the longer term it would be back to the $100 level.
Why is that, Mr T.? The demand for oil seems set to fall and there is no sign that its sources of supply are likely to dry up. In fact if prices do start to rise then will not the Septic's tight oil sources come back online as the once again become profitable?
I should have thought the availability of sources that can quickly be brought into play once the price makes them viable would actually act as cap to the oil price. I am not sure why you think it will ever again reach $100.
The reasons you quote are why I think the price will hold in the current range for the next 5-6 years. After that, it will depend on world economic growth and what happens with renewables. But for a finite resource where demand is increasing, you'd expect price to rise.
Looking around at what others (including in the business) predict, it seems I am not alone in making such an assumption:
Thanks, for asking my questions, Mr. T.. I am not sure I would trust BP's long term forecast under any scenario - they are a company with skin in the game and they will want a higher oil price.
Let us assume for the moment that petrol/diesel cars are on their way out, electricity become the replacement for the internal combustion engine. (I am not sure whether it actually will I think Hydrogen might win out at the end). Oil is required for the petrochemical industry, but not for transport and certainly not for power generation. Take a heck of a lot of economic growth to replace the world's demand for oil for motor cars, would it not?
That assumes a non-hydrocarbon source for electricity generation.
I don't realistically see wind, wave, hydro or solar providing that much of the world's electricity. Nuclear will still be opposed on ideological grounds for the foreseeable future. Geothermal might reduce domestic heating requirements. Where is the power going to come from for industry and transport if not hydrocarbon?
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
I paid my £25 to vote for Owen Smith. Last year I had a vote as a Union Member as an affiliated member through Unison. As I was working in the public sector, now working in private sector, so thought I would have a say.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
I've said it before but I don't think this is going to be the cakewalk for Corbyn that it was 1st time.
If those within Labour who intend to get him work on breaking the man, they will succeed eventually but they are going to have to take some heat in the process. Corbyn is a weed, a weak one and he can be broken.
Plus at some point his little brownshirts will mess up.
On the other hand he's starting from a stronger position and has been strengthened by the chaotic nature of his opposition.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
If we're back on the AGW topic again, I can redeploy some of the analysis I wasted the other day .
In terms of CO2 emissions, we generate <2% of the global total. We're about 6% of China's levels and falling. In terms of per capita, we're middling for a 1st world nation - better than Japan and Germany, worse than Spain and France. The UK's nuclear contribution is around 18.5% versus 77% in France.
As I've said before, we can and should play our part, but we are going to have to bite the nuclear bullet for base power generation. However, I would do nothing that disadvantages UK industry any further. We are not the baddies.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
I paid my £25 to vote for Owen Smith. Last year I had a vote as a Union Member as an affiliated member through Unison. As I was working in the public sector, now working in private sector, so thought I would have a say.
£25 down the drain, he is a loser
MG Probably with the Labour current membership but not as big a loser as Corbyn with the voters. Saw your SNP spokesperson on this week making Liz Kendall squirm over how the PLP treated Corbyn as leader from day one.
Anyways MG you know me I always back losers as I did the Yes vote for Scottish Independence in 2014,
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
I've said it before but I don't think this is going to be the cakewalk for Corbyn that it was 1st time.
If those within Labour who intend to get him work on breaking the man, they will succeed eventually but they are going to have to take some heat in the process. Corbyn is a weed, a weak one and he can be broken.
Plus at some point his little brownshirts will mess up.
Hope you are right Yokel. Corbyn is getting a bit tetchy and if Owen has no chance , why the attacks for such a nice , friendly team .
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
He is.
Proof please.
You've just posted a tweet about AGW sent out by a pediatrician for goodness sake. You're starting out from a low threshold of credibility here.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
If we're back on the AGW topic again, I can redeploy some of the analysis I wasted the other day .
In terms of CO2 emissions, we generate <2% of the global total. We're about 6% of China's levels and falling. In terms of per capita, we're middling for a 1st world nation - better than Japan and Germany, worse than Spain and France. The UK's nuclear contribution is around 18.5% versus 77% in France.
As I've said before, we can and should play our part, but we are going to have to bite the nuclear bullet for base power generation. However, I would do nothing that disadvantages UK industry any further. We are not the baddies.</p>
Ignoring the AGW bollocks peddled by the scientifically illiterate like Bromptonaut, we should be looking at Nuclear and non hydrocarbon power generation sources because oil is just too important a resource to waste burning. So much of our modern life relies upon hydrocarbons outside of power generation that it is idiocy to be burning the stuff when we do have viable alternatives.
I paid my £25 to vote for Owen Smith. Last year I had a vote as a Union Member as an affiliated member through Unison. As I was working in the public sector, now working in private sector, so thought I would have a say.
£25 down the drain, he is a loser
MG Probably with the Labour current membership but not as big a loser as Corbyn with the voters. Saw your SNP spokesperson on this week making Liz Kendall squirm over how the PLP treated Corbyn as leader from day one.
Anyways MG you know me I always back losers as I did the Yes vote for Scottish Independence in 2014,
I hope you win York but he really is worse than Jezza so I think unlikely.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
He sure did cock sure of himself. Same as the Syria decision in parliament in 2013, lazy and not done the ground work before announcing the date to vote.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
Bromptonaut Posts: 140
LOL
Oh I see. What number of posts must one have made before entering into a discussion?
Closed shop is it?
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
You've just picked a fight with Muhammad Ali.
Metaphorically speaking.
Based on BBC guidelines, I believe we have to call him Muhammad David now.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
You've just picked a fight with Muhammad Ali.
Metaphorically speaking.
I've simply asked for a reason why I should accept his very rudely stated position, which runs directly counter to the weight of scientific opinion on a matter of existential importance to life on Earth.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
You've just picked a fight with Muhammad Ali.
Metaphorically speaking.
Nah, Richard Tyndall's talking his usual bollocks. While he may be an expert in his own field, his knowledge of atmospheric physics and paleoclimatology is not good.
This bottom right graph in this image
shows the monthly global temperatures calculated by the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies from surface measurements for 2014, 2015 and 2016 to date. You can see for yourself that 2016 is highly likely (though not certain) to break the record set last year.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
You've just picked a fight with Muhammad Ali.
Metaphorically speaking.
I've simply asked for a reason why I should accept his very rudely stated position, which runs directly counter to the weight of scientific opinion on a matter of existential importance to life on Earth.
What's the problem with that?
The scientific opinion has been absolute bollox for years why would it be any better this year. I only need to go outside to know it is NOT getting hotter any time soon, in fact quite the opposite the weather is crap.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
You've just picked a fight with Muhammad Ali.
Metaphorically speaking.
Nah, Richard Tyndall's talking his usual bollocks. While he may be an expert in his own field, his knowledge of atmospheric physics and paleoclimatology is not good.
This bottom right graph in this image
...
shows the monthly global temperatures calculated by the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies from surface measurements for 2014, 2015 and 2016 to date. You can see for yourself that 2016 is highly likely (though not certain) to break the record set last year.
I'm not sure you're actually helping your fellow kool-aid drinker by saying he might be wrong.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
"ever recorded"
For what period are there accurate measurements of temperature in Kuwait?
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
You've just picked a fight with Muhammad Ali.
Metaphorically speaking.
I've simply asked for a reason why I should accept his very rudely stated position, which runs directly counter to the weight of scientific opinion on a matter of existential importance to life on Earth.
What's the problem with that?
The scientific opinion has been absolute bollox for years why would it be any better this year. I only need to go outside to know it is NOT getting hotter any time soon, in fact quite the opposite the weather is crap.
Hence we can expect 2017 to be cooler than 2016 (Which will be the hottest on record by some way due to a combined strong El Nino and an overall warming trend).
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
Er ... No
"On 13 September 2012 the World Meteorological Organisation disqualified the record for the highest recorded temperature, exactly 90 years after it had been established at El Azizia, Libya, with a measurement of 58 C. The official highest recorded temperature is now 56.7 C (134 F), which was measured on 10 July 1913"
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
Bromptonaut Posts: 140
LOL
Oh I see. What number of posts must one have made before entering into a discussion?
Closed shop is it?
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
Nothing to do with a threshold, you complete fool.
It was a dig at your boldness in challenging someone with little idea or experience of their posting history and areas of knowledge. Very courageous from a base of such little involvement with the site.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
I once visited Death Valley in CA, and one of the attractions is you are visiting the place with hottest ever temperature recorded. Wikipedia says this was 56, but does say is contention.
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
I don't work in research. I work in private and public sector doing both Archaeological and Geological climate and environmental modelling. I suppose I must have contributed to hundreds if not thousands of reports and papers over the years which is why I have my own very successful company. One does not measure knowledge or success purely by research papers written. I preferred money.
I have never hidden this on here nor claimed to carry out the sort of research you are talking about. That doesn't mean I don't actually know how to interpret and use that research which I do very successfully and profitably.
And so we return to your time travelling ability which allows you to tell us that a year which is only half done is the hottest on record.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
I thought it hit 56 in Death Valley previously ?
56.7 in 1913. Apparently it's iffy, don't know why exactly.
My general view is that we should be trying to reduce our energy usage (or rather, continue current trends) and build more nuclear power plants, for reasons that have little to do with AGW.
I've said it before but I don't think this is going to be the cakewalk for Corbyn that it was 1st time.
If those within Labour who intend to get him work on breaking the man, they will succeed eventually but they are going to have to take some heat in the process. Corbyn is a weed, a weak one and he can be broken.
Plus at some point his little brownshirts will mess up.
On the other hand he's starting from a stronger position and has been strengthened by the chaotic nature of his opposition.
I can only presume this was a Roddy Piper reference but thought that might be a bit old for the Corbynista crowd. At any rate, I'm not sure he's very politically digestible. Back in his WWF days, appearing in blackface against an African American opponent is something that The Guardian doesn't really approve of. They Live has xenophobic overtones, as does Hell Comes to Frogtown - even if one can stomach its post-ironic naffness, the latter is also genuinely disconcertingly rapey (in a way that is very blatant through 2016 spectacles, but should have been so to 1988 eyes as well).
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
Yes, the 2016 (or possibly 2015) record is unlikely to be broken for a few years, but the underlying warming will continue, as it did after the 1998 El Nino.
I'm not sure about Hinkley C specifically, but we almost certainly need more nuclear capacity until our renewable power infrastructure can be further developed.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
I once visited Death Valley in CA, and one of the attractions is you are visiting the place with hottest ever temperature recorded. Wikipedia says this was 56, but does say is contention.
Weather historian Christopher C Burt says it was the hottest ever recorded but it depends which figures you want to believe. Death Valley also obviously very hot
Sorry to break up a nice row, but wasn't the original headline "set to be record year"? Set is one of those useful journalistic words, like 'could' and 'may'.
Sorry to break up a nice row, but wasn't the original headline "set to be record year"? Set is one of those useful journalistic words, like 'could' and 'may'.
The future is never certain, but in this case 2016 is very likely to become the hottest recorded year (edit: the third in succession!), given that each of the first 6 months has exceeded or equalled the record for that month. Here, "set to be" means "is highly likely to be".
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
Bromptonaut Posts: 140
LOL
Oh I see. What number of posts must one have made before entering into a discussion?
Closed shop is it?
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
Nothing to do with a threshold, you complete fool.
It was a dig at your boldness in challenging someone with little idea or experience of their posting history and areas of knowledge. Very courageous from a base of such little involvement with the site.
Oh I see again. New posters at PB should research the entire posting history of contributors before daring to express a view. Who knew?
Sorry to break up a nice row, but wasn't the original headline "set to be record year"? Set is one of those useful journalistic words, like 'could' and 'may'.
The future is never certain, but in this case 2016 is very likely to become the hottest recorded year (edit: the third in succession!), given that each of the first 6 months has exceeded or equalled the record for that month. Here, "set to be" means "is highly likely to be".
Sorry to break up a nice row, but wasn't the original headline "set to be record year"? Set is one of those useful journalistic words, like 'could' and 'may'.
Its an El Nino year. The first 5 months were hotter than the previous record El Nino event (97-98) but the June temperature has rather fallen off a cliff and is notably cold than the 97-98 equivalent. Making a prediction based on the current data is a fundamentally stupid thing to do.
Oh I see again. New posters at PB should research the entire posting history of contributors before daring to express a view. Who knew?
No, it is painfully obvious that you do not "see". You aren't proving to be as much entertainment as hoped. Back to the cricket for the last few overs, I think.
Sorry to break up a nice row, but wasn't the original headline "set to be record year"? Set is one of those useful journalistic words, like 'could' and 'may'.
This whole temperature discussion with its "set to be" wording reminds me of the standard disclaimer on automobile ads when, after declaiming some incredible level of fuel economy, hidden in the small print will be the phrase - Your mileage may vary. Actual highway mileage will probably be less.
I paid my £25 to vote for Owen Smith. Last year I had a vote as a Union Member as an affiliated member through Unison. As I was working in the public sector, now working in private sector, so thought I would have a say.
£25 down the drain, he is a loser
MG Probably with the Labour current membership but not as big a loser as Corbyn with the voters. Saw your SNP spokesperson on this week making Liz Kendall squirm over how the PLP treated Corbyn as leader from day one.
Anyways MG you know me I always back losers as I did the Yes vote for Scottish Independence in 2014,
I hope you win York but he really is worse than Jezza so I think unlikely.
Thanks MG I live in Outer York the old Ryedale Parliamentary seat. I have never voted for the winning party in either local or general elections. A wasted vote every time , no wonder I believe in PR. The only time, I never voted was for the Police Commissioner elections , as I do not believe in the concept.
Sorry to break up a nice row, but wasn't the original headline "set to be record year"? Set is one of those useful journalistic words, like 'could' and 'may'.
This whole temperature discussion with its "set to be" wording reminds me of the standard disclaimer on automobile ads when, after declaiming some incredible level of fuel economy, hidden in the small print will be the phrase - Your mileage may vary. Actual highway mileage will probably be less.
Sorry to break up a nice row, but wasn't the original headline "set to be record year"? Set is one of those useful journalistic words, like 'could' and 'may'.
Its an El Nino year. The first 5 months were hotter than the previous record El Nino event (97-98) but the June temperature has rather fallen off a cliff and is notably cold than the 97-98 equivalent. Making a prediction based on the current data is a fundamentally stupid thing to do.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
When you say hottest day - presumably 54 was the spike. But what did the night-time temperature drop to? I remember friends living in Phoenix, Arizona and there were days when it never fell below 100 degrees fahrenheit at night.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
Its bollocks. We are only just half way through the year and the global temperatures have slumped dramatically according to the satellite measurements as we come off the back of the El Nino. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
Idiot.
LOL. No just someone who understands the facts unlike ignorant tossers like you. Why should we take anyone seriously who makes a claim about something that has not even been measured yet because it hasn't happened. Unless of course you have a time machine.
Expert are you?
Well my, very successful, career is in palaeo-climate and palaeo-environment modelling so I would suggest I do understand the basics.
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
I'd suggest that you show yours before he shows his. Anybody who has spent any time on here knows his pedigree.
2016 looks to me like it will be the hottest in the last 150 years judging by that graph. Of course we've had a very strong El Nino so I think 2017 may well be cooler.
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
It was 54 degrees celcius on Thursday in Kuwait apparently, the hottest day ever recorded anywhere in the world
I once visited Death Valley in CA, and one of the attractions is you are visiting the place with hottest ever temperature recorded. Wikipedia says this was 56, but does say is contention.
Weather historian Christopher C Burt says it was the hottest ever recorded but it depends which figures you want to believe. Death Valley also obviously very hot
It also depends on the method of recording. Most of the world's truly hottest places are not inhabited and so do not have weather stations to record the heat. If you go by satellite temperature recordings, Iran's Lut Desert takes the prize:
"The single highest land skin temperature recorded in any year of the study was found in the Lut Desert in 2005 and measured a stunning 159.3 F (70.7 C). Lut had the highest surface temperature in 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2009 as well."
Having explored the Empty Quarter in Yemen and visited Lac Abbe in Djibouti, I can believe that surface temperatures can get well above the 50c mark, but there is no-one there to record it.
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Looking around at what others (including in the business) predict, it seems I am not alone in making such an assumption:
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/images/2015/Jan/oil-10-1.gif
https://knoema.com/yxptpab/crude-oil-price-forecast-long-term-2016-to-2025-data-and-charts - the World Bank's forecast is a little lower at $82 in real current prices
See also here for BP's oil consumption forecasts out to 2035 - a constantly upward trend:
https://knoema.com/azxrwhd/bp-energy-outlook-2035
Last year I had a vote as a Union Member as an affiliated member through Unison.
As I was working in the public sector, now working in private sector, so thought I would have a say.
Either way they would seem to have been a bunch of incompetent wankers. Going single handed and unarmed up to serviceman and trying to drag him into a car, is not likely to be successful is it? As one would expect, the serviceman gave his assailant a smack in the mouth which put him on his arse and then the "knife wielding" (a knife with a three inch blade - i.e. a fecking penknife) assistant appeared to help his injured mate, while their intended victim trotted off.
If that is the quality of the terrorism threat we currently face in this country I think we may rest easy. We have certainly seen and defeated a lot worse.
Britain's Chris Froome is on the verge of winning his third Tour de France title.
The Team Sky cyclist is leading the race going into Sunday's final stage which is little more than a procession ending in Paris
Sky news
Hopefully he can stay fit and interested for the next few years.
While there are some very serious threats, there are also many 'plots' dreamed up by people who couldn't find their own arses with both hands, a map and a flashlight.
Meanwhile not so liberal.....
Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has extended the period in which suspects can be detained without charge to 30 days, an official statement says. The statement also ordered the closure of more than 1,000 private schools and more than 1,200 associations. It follows last week's failed coup attempt against Mr Erdogan and the subsequent declaration of a state of emergency.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36874145
Let us assume for the moment that petrol/diesel cars are on their way out, electricity become the replacement for the internal combustion engine. (I am not sure whether it actually will I think Hydrogen might win out at the end). Oil is required for the petrochemical industry, but not for transport and certainly not for power generation. Take a heck of a lot of economic growth to replace the world's demand for oil for motor cars, would it not?
If those within Labour who intend to get him work on breaking the man, they will succeed eventually but they are going to have to take some heat in the process. Corbyn is a weed, a weak one and he can be broken.
Plus at some point his little brownshirts will mess up.
It's been a pretty crap summer to be honest. Very disappointing weather here.
I don't realistically see wind, wave, hydro or solar providing that much of the world's electricity. Nuclear will still be opposed on ideological grounds for the foreseeable future. Geothermal might reduce domestic heating requirements. Where is the power going to come from for industry and transport if not hydrocarbon?
Soft, compared to Blair's desire for 90 day detention.
https://twitter.com/brontyman/status/756882312147509248
Last ball before drinks and it's the Root/Woakes combo in the field too.
The Betfair Sportsbook has 5/4 on No Safety Car.
Again, do check the weather forecast, but unless it rains Hungary is the least likely racetrack to see one.
It's not a dead cert but may 70-80% or so.
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_5790bae5e4b0e3583c789316?edition=uk
His supporters seem pretty loyal.
In terms of CO2 emissions, we generate <2% of the global total. We're about 6% of China's levels and falling. In terms of per capita, we're middling for a 1st world nation - better than Japan and Germany, worse than Spain and France. The UK's nuclear contribution is around 18.5% versus 77% in France.
As I've said before, we can and should play our part, but we are going to have to bite the nuclear bullet for base power generation. However, I would do nothing that disadvantages UK industry any further. We are not the baddies.
Probably with the Labour current membership but not as big a loser as Corbyn with the voters.
Saw your SNP spokesperson on this week making Liz Kendall squirm over how the PLP treated Corbyn as leader from day one.
Anyways MG you know me I always back losers as I did the Yes vote for Scottish Independence in 2014,
EDIT: and the point of my posting was that you have made a statement that cannot be supported in fact because it makes claims about something that has not happened yet. 2016 cannot be the hottest year on record until it is actually over.
In for £20 anyway.
Corbyn is getting a bit tetchy and if Owen has no chance , why the attacks for such a nice , friendly team .
You're starting out from a low threshold of credibility here.
[gets popcorn]
LOL
Nevertheless Hinkley C is a terrible idea.
Same as the Syria decision in parliament in 2013, lazy and not done the ground work before announcing the date to vote.
You've just picked a fight with Muhammad Ali.
Metaphorically speaking.
Closed shop is it?
Proof please. Positions held, papers published and cited by acknowledged leaders in the field, that kind of thing.
What's the problem with that?
I do, though, disagree with Mr. Bromptonaut over AGW. Also worth noting popularity of a theory is irrelevant, as science is not democratic.
This bottom right graph in this image
shows the monthly global temperatures calculated by the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies from surface measurements for 2014, 2015 and 2016 to date. You can see for yourself that 2016 is highly likely (though not certain) to break the record set last year.
Edit: See here for access to NASA's climate data:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/
But carry on, regardless.
For what period are there accurate measurements of temperature in Kuwait?
15/16 a very strong El Nino http://ggweather.com/enso/oni.htm -
Hence we can expect 2017 to be cooler than 2016 (Which will be the hottest on record by some way due to a combined strong El Nino and an overall warming trend).
"On 13 September 2012 the World Meteorological Organisation disqualified the record for the highest recorded temperature, exactly 90 years after it had been established at El Azizia, Libya, with a measurement of 58 C. The official highest recorded temperature is now 56.7 C (134 F), which was measured on 10 July 1913"
It was a dig at your boldness in challenging someone with little idea or experience of their posting history and areas of knowledge. Very courageous from a base of such little involvement with the site.
I have never hidden this on here nor claimed to carry out the sort of research you are talking about. That doesn't mean I don't actually know how to interpret and use that research which I do very successfully and profitably.
And so we return to your time travelling ability which allows you to tell us that a year which is only half done is the hottest on record.
My general view is that we should be trying to reduce our energy usage (or rather, continue current trends) and build more nuclear power plants, for reasons that have little to do with AGW.
I can only presume this was a Roddy Piper reference but thought that might be a bit old for the Corbynista crowd. At any rate, I'm not sure he's very politically digestible. Back in his WWF days, appearing in blackface against an African American opponent is something that The Guardian doesn't really approve of. They Live has xenophobic overtones, as does Hell Comes to Frogtown - even if one can stomach its post-ironic naffness, the latter is also genuinely disconcertingly rapey (in a way that is very blatant through 2016 spectacles, but should have been so to 1988 eyes as well).
I'm not sure about Hinkley C specifically, but we almost certainly need more nuclear capacity until our renewable power infrastructure can be further developed.
Stokes c Bairstow b Stokes (Pak 48-3)
You aren't proving to be as much entertainment as hoped.
Back to the cricket for the last few overs, I think.
I live in Outer York the old Ryedale Parliamentary seat.
I have never voted for the winning party in either local or general elections.
A wasted vote every time , no wonder I believe in PR.
The only time, I never voted was for the Police Commissioner elections , as I do not believe in the concept.
I was also in a wadi in Yemen, where the sides of the wadi were pale rock that focused the heat back down. Our Toyota Landcruiser was saying that was 60 Celsius down there.....
Turkey limit for State of Emergency: 30 days.
"The single highest land skin temperature recorded in any year of the study was found in the Lut Desert in 2005 and measured a stunning 159.3 F (70.7 C). Lut had the highest surface temperature in 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2009 as well."
Having explored the Empty Quarter in Yemen and visited Lac Abbe in Djibouti, I can believe that surface temperatures can get well above the 50c mark, but there is no-one there to record it.