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He's a truly awful person to have representing Britain right now.FrancisUrquhart said:
Boris is going to have to step up as well...no boozy lunches with some jolly conversations with French VIPs.Pulpstar said:I bet even Andrea Leadsom is glad Theresa May got the job of PM ahead of her this evening.
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This is the moment where I'd rather like having Cameron & Hague representing our country.0
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If that version is true , I wonder what the consequences would have been had Osborne - or indeed any sacked Minister - turned around and told her to 'go and f... herself!' Has that ever happened in such an interview as far as is known?glw said:
She's not wrong.TCPoliticalBetting said:Newsnight Nick "Mrs May told Osborne he had over promised and under delivered"!!!
"Not done enough to champion deep economic reform".0 -
Well they would be guaranteeing they would never have a job in her administration!justin124 said:
If that version is true , I wonder what the consequences would have been had Osborne - or indeed any sacked Minister - turned around and told her to 'go and f... herself!' Has that ever happened in such an interview as far as is known?glw said:
She's not wrong.TCPoliticalBetting said:Newsnight Nick "Mrs May told Osborne he had over promised and under delivered"!!!
"Not done enough to champion deep economic reform".0 -
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I've not seen whatever he's saying, but...Lowlander said:Trump on Fox is frightening, the man is an idiot and the way he's trying to showboat this incident is beyond contempt.
You can rest assured all the other scumbag politicians
Obama
Clinton
May
Corbyn
Farron
will be trotting out the same old mantra of lies tomorrow.
"isolated incident"
"nothing to do with Islam"
"religion of peace", etc
If Trump is saying anything unorthodox, he at least deserves a hearing.
What have we got to lose?
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Agreed. But I think, perhaps, it will just take a bit of getting used to the new style. I am sure that May can be just as authentically distressed and sympathetic as Cameron.Chameleon said:This is the moment where I'd rather like having Cameron & Hague representing our country.
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I see the mods beat me to the complaint. You're putting one hell of a shift in. Merci.0 -
Probably modded, since was edited post the 5min window.FrancisUrquhart said:
Pb mods.. omniscient...0 -
Clearly I've been moderated.oxfordsimon said:
Fair enough. Mike's site, Mike's rules.
Let's wait for the trial.
And an apology from Boris, Gove and Farage.0 -
Oh I did - and I am sure that the site moderating team will be able to track it and take appropriate action.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Do yourself a favour, log off for the night.Pong said:
Clearly I've been moderated.oxfordsimon said:
Fair enough. Mike's site, Mike's rules.
Let's wait for the trial.
And an apology from Boris, Gove and Farage.0 -
@PongPong said:
Clearly I've been moderated.oxfordsimon said:
Fair enough. Mike's site, Mike's rules.
Let's wait for the trial.
And an apology from Boris, Gove and Farage.
And an apology from you?0 -
Unconfirmed hostage situations in two hotels. Likely to just be the rumour mill and not actually be real.0
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Or longer. PleaseChameleon said:
Do yourself a favour, log off for the night.Pong said:
Clearly I've been moderated.oxfordsimon said:
Fair enough. Mike's site, Mike's rules.
Let's wait for the trial.
And an apology from Boris, Gove and Farage.0 -
Absolutely.PBModerator said:
@PongPong said:
Clearly I've been moderated.oxfordsimon said:
Fair enough. Mike's site, Mike's rules.
Let's wait for the trial.
And an apology from Boris, Gove and Farage.
And an apology from you?
Thank you for being on top of it.0 -
Hollande had decided to lift the state of emergency just a couple of hours before the attack.
http://www.france24.com/en/20160714-france-state-emergency-will-be-lifted-july-26-says-hollande0 -
To Boris?PBModerator said:
@PongPong said:
Clearly I've been moderated.oxfordsimon said:
Fair enough. Mike's site, Mike's rules.
Let's wait for the trial.
And an apology from Boris, Gove and Farage.
And an apology from you?0 -
Bloody hell - what an eventful few days it's been, eh?Chameleon said:Unconfirmed hostage situations in two hotels. Likely to just be the rumour mill and not actually be real.
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This sort of attack is beyond the reach of any state of emergency. That is what makes it so shocking.AndyJS said:Hollande had decided to lift the state of emergency just a couple of hours before the attack.
http://www.france24.com/en/20160714-france-state-emergency-will-be-lifted-july-26-says-hollande0 -
42 in a critical condition, 77 dead confirmed.0
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NBC are pointing out there was another run-down Islamist attack three years ago in France that killed 11, the driver also shouted Allahu Akbar.oxfordsimon said:
This sort of attack is beyond the reach of any state of emergency. That is what makes it so shocking.AndyJS said:Hollande had decided to lift the state of emergency just a couple of hours before the attack.
http://www.france24.com/en/20160714-france-state-emergency-will-be-lifted-july-26-says-hollande
I've seen several tweets from Israelis saying this is pretty common form of attack there.0 -
That still sounds too low - I am sorry to say. 2km of carnage.Chameleon said:42 in a critical condition, 77 dead confirmed.
Why? Why? Why?0 -
It does, much too low.oxfordsimon said:
That still sounds too low - I am sorry to say. 2km of carnage.Chameleon said:42 in a critical condition, 77 dead confirmed.
Why? Why? Why?0 -
Unbelievable.
This is a Labour NEC member who was on TV weeping about supposedly being intimidated by Corbynites.
https://twitter.com/francesbarber13/status/7537128295350599680 -
I believe there were two, this one in Marseilles and another one, both in the days following Charlie Hebdo.PlatoSaid said:
NBC are pointing out there was another run-down Islamist attack three years ago in France that killed 11, the driver also shouted Allahu Akbar.oxfordsimon said:
This sort of attack is beyond the reach of any state of emergency. That is what makes it so shocking.AndyJS said:Hollande had decided to lift the state of emergency just a couple of hours before the attack.
http://www.france24.com/en/20160714-france-state-emergency-will-be-lifted-july-26-says-hollande
I've seen several tweets from Israelis saying this is pretty common form of attack there.0 -
That is really unacceptable.Lowlander said:Unbelievable.
This is a Labour NEC member who was on TV weeping about supposedly being intimidated by Corbynites.
https://twitter.com/francesbarber13/status/7537128295350599680 -
I think it was Dijon IIRCLowlander said:
I believe there were two, this one in Marseilles and another one, both in the days following Charlie Hebdo.PlatoSaid said:
NBC are pointing out there was another run-down Islamist attack three years ago in France that killed 11, the driver also shouted Allahu Akbar.oxfordsimon said:
This sort of attack is beyond the reach of any state of emergency. That is what makes it so shocking.AndyJS said:Hollande had decided to lift the state of emergency just a couple of hours before the attack.
http://www.france24.com/en/20160714-france-state-emergency-will-be-lifted-july-26-says-hollande
I've seen several tweets from Israelis saying this is pretty common form of attack there.0 -
Disrespectful to the extreme.Lowlander said:Unbelievable.
This is a Labour NEC member who was on TV weeping about supposedly being intimidated by Corbynites.
https://twitter.com/francesbarber13/status/7537128295350599680 -
Me staying up late on here frantically trying to find info on terrorist attacks in France/Benelux seems to be an all too regular occurrence recently.0
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Theresa May is one of seven serving female heads of government. The others are in Myanmar, Poland, Namibia, Norway, Bangladesh, Germany.
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The map is wrong for the UK.. we should be dark green. Oh, it excludes monarchs. Kind of unfair then since we don't have a head of state.AndyJS said:Theresa May is one of seven serving female heads of government. The others are in Myanmar, Poland, Namibia, Norway, Bangladesh, Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_or_appointed_female_heads_of_government0 -
The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
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Says excluding monarchs, unfortunately...RobD said:
The map is wrong for the UK.. we should be dark green. Oh, it excludes monarchs. Kind of unfair then since we don't have a head of state.AndyJS said:Theresa May is one of seven serving female heads of government. The others are in Myanmar, Poland, Namibia, Norway, Bangladesh, Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_or_appointed_female_heads_of_government
EDIT: oops didn't see your edit in time
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Data from Pew
Muslim Support for Suicide Bombing in France (Pew Research)
All: 35%
18-29 Years Old: 42%
#NiceFrance https://t.co/o1VxBOuUkf0 -
Who did they sample?PlatoSaid said:Data from Pew
Muslim Support for Suicide Bombing in France (Pew Research)
All: 35%
18-29 Years Old: 42%
#NiceFrance https://t.co/o1VxBOuUkf0 -
That poll is over 10 years old.Chameleon said:
Who did they sample?PlatoSaid said:Data from Pew
Muslim Support for Suicide Bombing in France (Pew Research)
All: 35%
18-29 Years Old: 42%
#NiceFrance https://t.co/o1VxBOuUkf
Disturbing findings, nonetheless.0 -
Lowlander said:
I believe there were two, this one in Marseilles and another one, both in the days following Charlie Hebdo.PlatoSaid said:
NBC are pointing out there was another run-down Islamist attack three years ago in France that killed 11, the driver also shouted Allahu Akbar.oxfordsimon said:
This sort of attack is beyond the reach of any state of emergency. That is what makes it so shocking.AndyJS said:Hollande had decided to lift the state of emergency just a couple of hours before the attack.
http://www.france24.com/en/20160714-france-state-emergency-will-be-lifted-july-26-says-hollande
I've seen several tweets from Israelis saying this is pretty common form of attack there.
Running over attempts by car are coming in at one or more a week in Israel in recent times.0 -
Probably has only got worse...Pong said:
That poll is over 10 years old.Chameleon said:
Who did they sample?PlatoSaid said:Data from Pew
Muslim Support for Suicide Bombing in France (Pew Research)
All: 35%
18-29 Years Old: 42%
#NiceFrance https://t.co/o1VxBOuUkf0 -
The Guardian has a map up - the distance it covers is horrifying.0
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The Fix
The world has never been more interested in Mike Pence than it was a few hours ago https://t.co/LFy9NKMLaC https://t.co/kGn0DfRFC50 -
Perhaps it was better when we used to find out about things like this on page three of The Times two days later.0
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If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city? Nice is the 5th biggest city in France according to Wiki.Y0kel said:The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.0 -
Reports seem to indicate that he was zigzagging to ensure he hit the maximum number of peopleAndyJS said:
Hopefully most of the people in the path of the lorry were able to get out of the way in time.wasd said:The Guardian has a map up - the distance it covers is horrifying.
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Unfortunately it appears that the first place where it was seen ploughing into people is about 1/2k away from where the horrific video was taken.AndyJS said:
Hopefully most of the people in the path of the lorry were able to get out of the way in time.wasd said:The Guardian has a map up - the distance it covers is horrifying.
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Trucks driving in a major city centre - even on Bastille night - will be very common. Unless the driver was a known threat who slipped the net, I am not sure if this sort of attack could have been prevented. And that is what makes it scary.AndyJS said:
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city? Nice is the 5th biggest city in France according to Wiki.Y0kel said:The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.0 -
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.AndyJS said:
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?Y0kel said:The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.0 -
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.Y0kel said:
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.AndyJS said:
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?Y0kel said:The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.0 -
The Fix
In CBS/NYT poll, 46% say Clinton would be better on national security/terrorism. 46% say Trump. https://t.co/SFIe9fHYC80 -
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space.Chameleon said:
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.Y0kel said:
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.AndyJS said:
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?Y0kel said:The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
At least in May we have a PM who's had daily briefings on this sort of horror for six years - and as others have observed, Johnson's first test.
I see Trump has pulled his VP announcement. Out of respect for the victims, or because he knows he won't dominate the news cycle?0 -
@FrancisUrquhart
'john_zims @Pong
'He's a truly awful person to have representing Britain right now.'
Idiotic post of the year.
You should have seen the post pre-edit....'
I did,that was what my response was to.
Think Pong would be more at home on the Momentum website.
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Well if they had information about a possible attack tonight, via vehicle, then it wouldn't have been that hard to stop. Even if they didn't there should have perhaps been more precautions.CarlottaVance said:
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space.Chameleon said:
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.Y0kel said:
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.AndyJS said:
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?Y0kel said:The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
At least in May we have a PM who's had daily briefings on this sort of horror for six years - and as others have observed, Johnson's first test.
I see Trump has pulled his VP announcement. Out of respect for the victims, or because he knows he won't dominate the news cycle?0 -
ok, enough watching news coverage, time to cheer myself up with some Daily Politics/This Week.0
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The American phrase 'Monday morning quarterback' springs to mind....lets get the facts first....Chameleon said:
Well if they had information about a possible attack tonight, via vehicle, then it wouldn't have been that hard to stop. Even if they didn't there should have perhaps been more precautions.CarlottaVance said:
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space.Chameleon said:
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.Y0kel said:
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.AndyJS said:
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?Y0kel said:The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
This particular methodology on the other hand, they maybe didn't have on the shortlist right now though it has been 'advertised' in a number of Jihadi articles circulating in recent times.
There is some indication from the usual IS forumites that its one of theirs behind it but none of the sources can be considered truly solid yet. If its full on controlled and executed attack by IS, they are usually quick to make a claim so it shouldn't take long.
The French authorities do seem certain on their driver early on. Shouldn't take long for the name to emerge. The next thing is the fastest follow up possible to clear immediate accomplices and any associates who may have ideas.
Psychologically this is a devastating incident. You want to send a message that no one can be safe or kept safe? You just got it.
At least in May we have a PM who's had daily briefings on this sort of horror for six years - and as others have observed, Johnson's first test.
I see Trump has pulled his VP announcement. Out of respect for the victims, or because he knows he won't dominate the news cycle?0 -
The extremists have plenty of videos of horror in Gaza/Syria etc.Chameleon said:
On the contrary,most other videos are places and scenarios that we can't envisage ourselves being in. This is different.MarcKlein said:
Without trying to minimise anything, believe me, these images are quite mild in comparison to what is freely available on the Internet. (horrendous accidents, torture murders, suicides, dismemberment etc)AndyJS said:
What worries me is that children all over the world are inevitably going to see this footage. I didn't have to see anything like this until I was over 18.RobD said:
and if you do insist on keeping the link, put a HUGE warning on it please.AndyJS said:Brokenwheel: maybe you should make the link an indirect one.
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If I was in Germany, I'd be slightly concerned. They've dodged a lot of stuff (as have we) and at some point that run of luck will cease.
Certainly IS keep aiming to do something there just as much as they would like to hit the UK, though. At this point Germany has high strategic value: the centre of a fracturing European Union (and don't you believe that doesn't factor into IS strategists calculations)
The worrysome impression is they'd like to keep something extra for the UK. The fortune we have is that IS hasn't got the roots here as in continental Europe but it doesn't take much to do damage and kill lots of people.
Again I do stress, whilst the assumption is IS no official claim yet. .
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The only way to stop (or at least minimise) the atrocities is to implement stricter border controls & better vetting of migrants.CarlottaVance said:
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space.0 -
The fortune is that the UK is able to control its borders & monitor who is coming in & going out. Something which the French & Belgians cannot do.Y0kel said:
The worrysome impression is they'd like to keep something extra for the UK. The fortune we have is that IS hasn't got the roots here as in continental Europe but it doesn't take much to do damage and kill lots of people.0 -
How will that stop terrorists who are resident nationals? Three out of four of the 7/7 bombers were British born, the Charlie Hebdo murderers were French born.....vik said:
The only way to stop (or at least minimise) the atrocities is to implement stricter border controls & better vetting of migrants.CarlottaVance said:
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space.0 -
The comment about had they expected a possible attack specifically tonight is inapposite, but since Bataclan there is supposed to have been a state of emergency, and I hope that from now on at least, anti-ram bollards will be used at all large outdoor gatherings. "Buggering up a beautiful space"? Forget that. It's possible to make some barriers double as benches, as at King's Cross station in London, but if they don't, they don't. Some further info here about how to do it.CarlottaVance said:
The American phrase 'Monday morning quarterback' springs to mind....lets get the facts first....Chameleon said:
Well if they had information about a possible attack tonight, via vehicle, then it wouldn't have been that hard to stop. Even if they didn't there should have perhaps been more precautions.CarlottaVance said:
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space.Chameleon said:
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.Y0kel said:
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.AndyJS said:
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?Y0kel said:The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
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I don't relish saying this was a security failure, but it was.
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That article talks about using fixed installations to protect against attacks on buildings. Stopping vehicles from entering a main road is a much tougher challenge.Dromedary said:
The comment about had they expected a possible attack specifically tonight is inapposite, but since Bataclan there is supposed to have been a state of emergency, and I hope that from now on at least, anti-ram bollards will be used at all large outdoor gatherings. "Buggering up a beautiful space"? Forget that. It's possible to make some barriers double as benches, as at King's Cross station in London, but if they don't, they don't. Some further info here about how to do it.CarlottaVance said:
The American phrase 'Monday morning quarterback' springs to mind....lets get the facts first....Chameleon said:
Well if they had information about a possible attack tonight, via vehicle, then it wouldn't have been that hard to stop. Even if they didn't there should have perhaps been more precautions.CarlottaVance said:
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space.Chameleon said:
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.Y0kel said:
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.AndyJS said:
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?Y0kel said:The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
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I don't relish saying this was a security failure, but it was.
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It isn't much tougher. Movable concrete barriers are used sometimes to separate lanes on motorway contraflows, and heavier ones are used to protect sites from gypsies who want to camp there. A lot of this isn't high-tech. I'm not familiar with Bastille Day celebrations, but most events that involve large crowds outside can be protected from ramming lorries, even if this means controlling where crowds can and can't be in addition to installing barriers. For example, if for some reason there is a main road which must be accessed by numerous lorries, then don't let large celebrating crowds form there.williamglenn said:
That article talks about using fixed installations to protect against attacks on buildings. Stopping vehicles from entering a main road is a much tougher challenge.Dromedary said:
I don't relish saying this was a security failure, but it was.
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No it's not. It's an actress.Lowlander said:Unbelievable.
This is a Labour NEC member who was on TV weeping about supposedly being intimidated by Corbynites.
https://twitter.com/francesbarber13/status/753712829535059968
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Nonsense. How can you justify the cost of putting up barriers everywhere a possible attack may happen, no matter how infinitesimally small the probability. Making everywhere look like Parliament Square is basically giving in.Dromedary said:
The comment about had they expected a possible attack specifically tonight is inapposite, but since Bataclan there is supposed to have been a state of emergency, and I hope that from now on at least, anti-ram bollards will be used at all large outdoor gatherings. "Buggering up a beautiful space"? Forget that. It's possible to make some barriers double as benches, as at King's Cross station in London, but if they don't, they don't. Some further info here about how to do it.CarlottaVance said:
The American phrase 'Monday morning quarterback' springs to mind....lets get the facts first....Chameleon said:
Well if they had information about a possible attack tonight, via vehicle, then it wouldn't have been that hard to stop. Even if they didn't there should have perhaps been more precautions.CarlottaVance said:
The Prpmenade des Angles is several km long - its going to be impossible to stop every potential atrocity without buggering up a beautiful space.Chameleon said:
IIRC, the road is along the coast, with a drop down the the beach on one side (w/ steps occasionally), with roads joining it at T-juntions along the other side. Wouldn't have been too hard to keep a vehicle out if suitable measures were in place.Y0kel said:
They didn't necessarily know it was a truck, they didn't necessarily know this attack was the method. Cordon sanitaire admittedly looks missing, its called concrete bollards to enforce no vehicles. I know Nice a little bit but not sure of the geography of the location so who can tell for sure. Clearly though someone shot some rounds at that tuck.AndyJS said:
If they knew it might happen why didn't they have security forces on the look-out for a truck driving near the centre of a major city?Y0kel said:The French knew a vehicle borne attack was due and were on alert for Bastille Day. Certainly they had indications of attacks on French interests on this day.
A French intelligence official only a day or two ago raised the the possibility of vehicle borne bombs being the next weapon of choice for an attack in metropolitan France.
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I don't relish saying this was a security failure, but it was.0
