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Above is updating live betting from the Betfair exchange on the fight for the LAB leadership which has been totally overshadowed by events in the Tory party and the new PM. To recap in case you haven’t noticed
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1st.0
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Second.....like Smith.....0
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Third... like Eagle...0
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Glorious fourth!0
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I will plead the fifth!0
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A sixth, like the fraction of the PLP who support Corbyn.0
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Presumably now that Boris, Davis and Fox are entrusted with the task, we will stop hearing the bleating that the Brexiteers have all vanished into the sunset now the referendum is over?0
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Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D0 -
Colorado .. Virginia - Fox News
CO - Clinton 44 .. Trump 34
VA - Clinton 44 .. Trump 37
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On topic; really quite amazed that Argclu has drifted so much in the betting....0
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Why is Angela Eagle being referred to as "Argclu"?0
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It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D0 -
In Ebbw Vale constituency in 1951, there was a swing from Conservative to Labour (compared with 1950) of 0.00017%.
1950
Aneurin Bevan (Lab) 28,245 (80.72306%)
G. B. Finley (Con) 6,745 (19.27694%)
1951
Aneurin Bevan (Lab) 28,283 (80.72323%) (+0.00017%)
J. E. Bowan (Con) 6,754 (19.27677%) (-0.00017%)0 -
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
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I must say it's refreshing for all of Europe to be watching developments in British politics with baited breath.
One commenter on Der Spiegel even said they think Theresa May will one day be spoken of as the new Winston Churchill.0 -
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
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Owen Smith? One of the most obscure MPs on the Labour benches?0
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It may say more about how remarkable the English (as distinct from British) political scene is, though not necessarily in a good way. It certainly won't be boring seeing whether it's more similar to the world of international diplomacy than currently seems likely.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.0 -
Dragged out into the full glare of daylight by our REMAINer PM.....Paul_Bedfordshire said:Presumably now that Boris, Davis and Fox are entrusted with the task, we will stop hearing the bleating that the Brexiteers have all vanished into the sunset now the referendum is over?
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He is one of the two teflon UK politicians - both of whom have been Mayor of London. This is a well-paid non-job.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
Neither are, I suspect, personally very nice people, and neither have ever held senior positions in government,
One now does. It'll be interesting to see how long the teflon coating can last.0 -
Morning!
More fun this morning with the rest of the Cabinet appts. I still can't get over Georgexit.
Think I'll need a Venn diagram re Brexit on who does what.0 -
As an erstwhile supporter of the project, I now sadly say that one of Mrs May's first tasks should be scrapping the Hinckley point project. That is, if the NAO report just mentioned on R4 is true.0
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@MarinaHyde: This and the 16 tweets leading up to it offer a not unreasonable view from abroad .... https://t.co/Eg8oPxZc580
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@bombaylychee: Boris Johnson is "der illoyale Tausendsassa", a disloyal jack-of-all-trades. https://t.co/E9QOQGW0BW via @welt0
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I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
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Implying that Britain can only survive if it is inside the political union of the EU.Scott_P said:@MarinaHyde: This and the 16 tweets leading up to it offer a not unreasonable view from abroad .... https://t.co/Eg8oPxZc58
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The odds on me voting conservative at the next GE have been cut to 1000000/1 to 1000/1, I'm impressed with the way May has sacked Osborne (and presumably his awful bag carrier Matt Hancock) and appointed some mature, sensible people.
I'm hoping for a govt of less spin and manipulation, less cronyism and back slapping and more responsible decision making. I did say hoping.
Whoever leads Ukip has a tough task on their hands, my advice is to target the corpse that is the Labour Party, they are finished as serious opposition.0 -
Good morning. Not surprised that Osborne has gone, but the fact that he had to be sacked was a bit unexpected. It'll be interesting to see whether Leadsom, Patel and Gove are offered positions today.PlatoSaid said:Morning!
More fun this morning with the rest of the Cabinet appts. I still can't get over Georgexit.
Think I'll need a Venn diagram re Brexit on who does what.0 -
https://www.twitter.com/joshtpm/status/753455261222899712Scott_P said:@MarinaHyde: This and the 16 tweets leading up to it offer a not unreasonable view from abroad .... https://t.co/Eg8oPxZc58
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He also implies it will be a rump England left, even though Wales voted leave...RobD said:
Implying that Britain can only survive if it is inside the political union of the EU.Scott_P said:@MarinaHyde: This and the 16 tweets leading up to it offer a not unreasonable view from abroad .... https://t.co/Eg8oPxZc58
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And the world really doesn't think much of Boris.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
We'll struggle to hear more hyperbole than that today. Foreign politicians are as low calibre as ours, you only have to look at the EU parliament, its full of dross.0 -
Just listening to the Spectator podcast. A US ex-state department bod says that Messrs Fox and Johnson are both well known in the US.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/theresa-may-shows-really-serious-brexit/0 -
BoJo has the rare feature of being known outside of the UK. This is the only real difference between him and past ForSecs.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
He is, as many here keep forgetting, a One Nation Tory - which signals suggest is the very point of this administration.
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@LOS_Fisher: EXCL: Major Labour donor Michael Foster launches legal action against Labour NEC for ruling that Corbyn is on ballot
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We still have to deal with them.blackburn63 said:
And the world really doesn't think much of Boris.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
We'll struggle to hear more hyperbole than that today. Foreign politicians are as low calibre as ours, you only have to look at the EU parliament, its full of dross.
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Is there a tangible chance that we'll see a drop to 0% interest rates today? I didn't think so but just caught the end of a piece on the news.....0
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Yep, you spoke to a couple of people overseas and declare "the world really doesn't think much of Boris", you need to get a grip mate.SouthamObserver said:
We still have to deal with them.blackburn63 said:
And the world really doesn't think much of Boris.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
We'll struggle to hear more hyperbole than that today. Foreign politicians are as low calibre as ours, you only have to look at the EU parliament, its full of dross.
I'm ambivalent to Boris, his new job is irrelevant really, people trade with each other, it has very little to do with politicians. Good stuff sells, rubbish doesn't.0 -
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May is very thoughtful which is why before giving Boris the job she carved most of it away into other departments. Boris will find most of the traditional job of FS being done by Davis and Fox. It was an appointment that puzzled me to start with until I realised how cunning she had been.0 -
Morning all.
I would suggest the market prediction for Owen Smith (who he? ed) is based on early punters snapping him up at decent odds, rather than any realistic hope that he’d beat Jeremy Corbyn.
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I hope notMortimer said:Is there a tangible chance that we'll see a drop to 0% interest rates today? I didn't think so but just caught the end of a piece on the news.....
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Everyone everywhere who matters politically and diplomatically will know Boris. That may not be a good thing given what they will know him for. He has, for example, publicly insulted the current US president, as well as the two candidates to replace him. Boris wasn't to know that he'd be foreign secretary when he decided to write about Obama being an uppity African, but May knew that Boris had done it when she appointed him. I wonder if she thought it through, or if she made the decision solely through a domestic, internal Tory party dynamic prism.anotherDave said:
Just listening to the Spectator podcast. A US ex-state department bod says that Messrs Fox and Johnson are both well known in the US.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/theresa-may-shows-really-serious-brexit/
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Has Gove got a job?
If not not it seems May is sending out a message about gossip, backstabbing and cliques. Good for her.0 -
No, I haven't spoken to anyone since the appointment. I have looked at plenty of foreign coverage of and comment on it.blackburn63 said:
Yep, you spoke to a couple of people overseas and declare "the world really doesn't think much of Boris", you need to get a grip mate.SouthamObserver said:
We still have to deal with them.blackburn63 said:
And the world really doesn't think much of Boris.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
We'll struggle to hear more hyperbole than that today. Foreign politicians are as low calibre as ours, you only have to look at the EU parliament, its full of dross.
I'm ambivalent to Boris, his new job is irrelevant really, people trade with each other, it has very little to do with politicians. Good stuff sells, rubbish doesn't.
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Has everyone joined up the dots yet, why all this is happening to Corbyn?Scott_P said:@LOS_Fisher: EXCL: Major Labour donor Michael Foster launches legal action against Labour NEC for ruling that Corbyn is on ballot
https://t.co/rTF6akpVDt
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/146195/labour-donor-explains-why-he-heckled-jeremy-corbyn-israel-event0 -
Because he's a completely unsuitable leader.RodCrosby said:
Has everyone joined up the dots yet, why all this is happening to Corbyn?Scott_P said:@LOS_Fisher: EXCL: Major Labour donor Michael Foster launches legal action against Labour NEC for ruling that Corbyn is on ballot
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In the eyes of a chosen few...ThreeQuidder said:
Because he's a completely unsuitable leader.RodCrosby said:
Has everyone joined up the dots yet, why all this is happening to Corbyn?Scott_P said:@LOS_Fisher: EXCL: Major Labour donor Michael Foster launches legal action against Labour NEC for ruling that Corbyn is on ballot
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Yes, the electorate.RodCrosby said:
In the eyes of a chosen few...ThreeQuidder said:
Because he's a completely unsuitable leader.RodCrosby said:
Has everyone joined up the dots yet, why all this is happening to Corbyn?Scott_P said:@LOS_Fisher: EXCL: Major Labour donor Michael Foster launches legal action against Labour NEC for ruling that Corbyn is on ballot
https://t.co/rTF6akpVDt
I'd agree that his pandering to antisemitism is part of the problem.0 -
And wishful thinking. Corbyn will walk the vote. Labour is keen now to be a political movement rather than a Parliamentary party that aspires to govern.SimonStClare said:Morning all.
I would suggest the market prediction for Owen Smith (who he? ed) is based on early punters snapping him up at decent odds, rather than any realistic hope that he’d beat Jeremy Corbyn.
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@Annemariealex: Hammond will meet Bank of England governor later today, and says he will 'do whatever it takes' to steady the economyThreeQuidder said:
...except a budget...
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Struggling to keep up. Who is signing your cheques these days?Scott_P said:
@Annemariealex: Hammond will meet Bank of England governor later today, and says he will 'do whatever it takes' to steady the economyThreeQuidder said:
...except a budget...
Ok...0 -
Just checked Chris Grayling's wiki entry and he's still waiting for a job - thought I read here yesterday that he'd got one.
Anyone remember? It was a blizzard of announcements and rumours yesterday.0 -
Amazing, the Boris effect already bringing the PB community together - where there is discord, may he bring harmony. Where there is error, may he bring truth. Where there is doubt, may he bring faith. And where there is despair, may he bring hope – Brings a tear to the eye…0
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From Stakhanovite micro manager to seat of the pants gambler?SouthamObserver said:
I wonder if she thought it through, or if she made the decision solely through a domestic, internal Tory party dynamic prism.anotherDave said:
Just listening to the Spectator podcast. A US ex-state department bod says that Messrs Fox and Johnson are both well known in the US.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/theresa-may-shows-really-serious-brexit/
I don't think so.
Boris flourishes - with the odd bump along the way, no doubt - May's faith vindicated.
Boris crashes & burns - major potential threat eliminated for good...0 -
Ah, yes, anti-whatsitsname...ThreeQuidder said:
Yes, the electorate.RodCrosby said:
In the eyes of a chosen few...ThreeQuidder said:
Because he's a completely unsuitable leader.RodCrosby said:
Has everyone joined up the dots yet, why all this is happening to Corbyn?Scott_P said:@LOS_Fisher: EXCL: Major Labour donor Michael Foster launches legal action against Labour NEC for ruling that Corbyn is on ballot
https://t.co/rTF6akpVDt
I'd agree that his pandering to antisemitism is part of the problem.
"Formerly an anti-Semite was somebody who hated Jews... But nowadays an anti-Semite is somebody who is hated by Jews." Dr. Hajo Meyer, former inmate of Auschwitz.0 -
There are lots of jobs left. The papers are saying Theresa May's speech borrowed from Ed Miliband but really it was classic one nation Toryism of the sort associated with Michael Gove.blackburn63 said:Has Gove got a job?
If not not it seems May is sending out a message about gossip, backstabbing and cliques. Good for her.
The trouble with Gove is that he is not awfully good at politics. He antagonises people who would naturally be on his side, and in case he is ever too busy to offend people in person, he pays Dominic Cummings to do it for him.
Jeremy Hunt seems like a less bright version.
And the unnecessarily theatrical sacking of Osborne had spin written all over it.0 -
Sounds like she has put him on a shoogly zipwire.CarlottaVance said:
From Stakhanovite micro manager to seat of the pants gambler?SouthamObserver said:
I wonder if she thought it through, or if she made the decision solely through a domestic, internal Tory party dynamic prism.anotherDave said:
Just listening to the Spectator podcast. A US ex-state department bod says that Messrs Fox and Johnson are both well known in the US.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/theresa-may-shows-really-serious-brexit/
I don't think so.
Boris flourishes - with the odd bump along the way, no doubt - May's faith vindicated.
Boris crashes & burns - major potential threat eliminated for good...0 -
Ah, the Jew baiter of Merseyside is up early today.RodCrosby said:
In the eyes of a chosen few...ThreeQuidder said:
Because he's a completely unsuitable leader.RodCrosby said:
Has everyone joined up the dots yet, why all this is happening to Corbyn?Scott_P said:@LOS_Fisher: EXCL: Major Labour donor Michael Foster launches legal action against Labour NEC for ruling that Corbyn is on ballot
https://t.co/rTF6akpVDt
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No, it's a pretentious and ill-informed stream of consciousness, not an argument or an "unreasonable view"Scott_P said:@MarinaHyde: This and the 16 tweets leading up to it offer a not unreasonable view from abroad .... https://t.co/Eg8oPxZc58
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Why do the left always fret so much about what 'signal' this or that action will send out to the world.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
Do they sit at home brooding over what the neighbours think about everything they do at home like Hyacinth Bucket?0 -
Drunk in charge?williamglenn said:I must say it's refreshing for all of Europe to be watching developments in British politics with baited breath.
One commenter on Der Spiegel even said they think Theresa May will one day be spoken of as the new Winston Churchill.0 -
I thought the MP for Guildford had that one - Anne Milton? She was Deputy Whip before. Mark Harper is CW on wiki.Mortimer said:
Surely he'll get Chief whip?PlatoSaid said:Just checked Chris Grayling's wiki entry and he's still waiting for a job - thought I read here yesterday that he'd got one.
Anyone remember? It was a blizzard of announcements and rumours yesterday.
Argh! This is getting most confusing. Come on Theresa!0 -
I hope he doesn't get one.blackburn63 said:Has Gove got a job?
If not not it seems May is sending out a message about gossip, backstabbing and cliques. Good for her.
Let him sit it out in the wilderness for a couple of years.0 -
It was Fox who founded Atlantic Bridge, right? He's certainly very involved with the whole Atlanticist movement.anotherDave said:
Just listening to the Spectator podcast. A US ex-state department bod says that Messrs Fox and Johnson are both well known in the US.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/theresa-may-shows-really-serious-brexit/
BoJo is probably best known for arguments over whether the US embassy should pay congestion charges...
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What was remotely theatrical about Osborne's sacking?DecrepitJohnL said:
There are lots of jobs left. The papers are saying Theresa May's speech borrowed from Ed Miliband but really it was classic one nation Toryism of the sort associated with Michael Gove.blackburn63 said:Has Gove got a job?
If not not it seems May is sending out a message about gossip, backstabbing and cliques. Good for her.
The trouble with Gove is that he is not awfully good at politics. He antagonises people who would naturally be on his side, and in case he is ever too busy to offend people in person, he pays Dominic Cummings to do it for him.
Jeremy Hunt seems like a less bright version.
And the unnecessarily theatrical sacking of Osborne had spin written all over it.0 -
We already knew you are in the 7%.RodCrosby said:
Ah, yes, anti-whatsitsname...ThreeQuidder said:
Yes, the electorate.RodCrosby said:
In the eyes of a chosen few...ThreeQuidder said:
Because he's a completely unsuitable leader.RodCrosby said:
Has everyone joined up the dots yet, why all this is happening to Corbyn?Scott_P said:@LOS_Fisher: EXCL: Major Labour donor Michael Foster launches legal action against Labour NEC for ruling that Corbyn is on ballot
https://t.co/rTF6akpVDt
I'd agree that his pandering to antisemitism is part of the problem.0 -
Hmm. When Grayling was put up as a good bet for Chancellor, the consensus from all those who'd had anything to do with him was that he was not what the Oxbridge types call an alpha mind. Otoh, he won May the top job so presumably must be rewarded. Maybe Health to make peace with the doctors?Mortimer said:
Surely he'll get Chief whip?PlatoSaid said:Just checked Chris Grayling's wiki entry and he's still waiting for a job - thought I read here yesterday that he'd got one.
Anyone remember? It was a blizzard of announcements and rumours yesterday.0 -
Why do the right think that it's a good idea to stick two fingers up to countries we want to have good, friendly relations with?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Why do the left always fret so much about what 'signal' this or that action will send out to the world.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
Do they sit at home brooding over what the neighbours think about everything they do at home like Hyacinth Bucket?
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No appointment made as far as I can see. If true he'll probably be in Downing st helping with appointments.PlatoSaid said:
I thought the MP for Guildford had that one - Anne Milton? She was Deputy Whip before. Mark Harper is CW on wiki.Mortimer said:
Surely he'll get Chief whip?PlatoSaid said:Just checked Chris Grayling's wiki entry and he's still waiting for a job - thought I read here yesterday that he'd got one.
Anyone remember? It was a blizzard of announcements and rumours yesterday.
Argh! This is getting most confusing. Come on Theresa!0 -
@business: Boris Johnson is an undiplomatic choice as Britain's top diplomat https://t.co/nFpmVRYXM1 https://t.co/0eCWZqrMrD0
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That was my immediate reaction. I very much doubt we are going to do that much on the world scene in the next 2-3 years except negotiate Brexit and develop trade links. Any security crises, of course, May will be all over and Fallon will be in the room as well (as well as BoJo)ToryJim said:@SouthamObserver
May is very thoughtful which is why before giving Boris the job she carved most of it away into other departments. Boris will find most of the traditional job of FS being done by Davis and Fox. It was an appointment that puzzled me to start with until I realised how cunning she had been.0 -
I voted Leave, as I didn't want the UK to end up as a far flung province of a United States of Europe, run from Berlin in the German national interest, i.e. a modern version of GrossDeutschesReich. However, I do regret that inadvertently, because of the way the votes were cast AND PUBLISHED, this will inevitably lead to break up of the UK, and reintegration of Wales into England. Was there any need to declare votes by district/region, rather than just announce the overall result?HaroldO said:
He also implies it will be a rump England left, even though Wales voted leave...RobD said:
Implying that Britain can only survive if it is inside the political union of the EU.Scott_P said:@MarinaHyde: This and the 16 tweets leading up to it offer a not unreasonable view from abroad .... https://t.co/Eg8oPxZc58
Re BOJO's appointment as FS, i.e. the new Clarkson, the only comment that will really cause difficulties in the near future is his insulting Limerick about the dictator of his ancestral homeland. May would be advised to deal directly with Erdogan, not via her FS. However, BJ's comment about Obama was accurate.0 -
Budgets rarely help stabilise things.Scott_P said:
@Annemariealex: Hammond will meet Bank of England governor later today, and says he will 'do whatever it takes' to steady the economyThreeQuidder said:
...except a budget...
Ok...
Better to wait and see how things pan out before taking the appropriate corrective action.
I very much hope that Hammond abolishes the awful "autumn statement" and goes back to a single annual budget. Well thought through plans don't need tweaking every second week.0 -
A charmer. Exceptional, even...old_labour said:0 -
That it happened at Number 10 with all the cameras outside. There was no need for Osborne to be there: he could have been sacked by phone, or May could have had a quiet word after Cabinet or in the House after PMQs. Similarly, there was no need even to present it as sacking: Osborne could have put out a statement saying he'd decided to step back from the front line. Oh, and if Osborne really had been brutally sacked, where is his case for the defence?CarlottaVance said:
What was remotely theatrical about Osborne's sacking?DecrepitJohnL said:
There are lots of jobs left. The papers are saying Theresa May's speech borrowed from Ed Miliband but really it was classic one nation Toryism of the sort associated with Michael Gove.blackburn63 said:Has Gove got a job?
If not not it seems May is sending out a message about gossip, backstabbing and cliques. Good for her.
The trouble with Gove is that he is not awfully good at politics. He antagonises people who would naturally be on his side, and in case he is ever too busy to offend people in person, he pays Dominic Cummings to do it for him.
Jeremy Hunt seems like a less bright version.
And the unnecessarily theatrical sacking of Osborne had spin written all over it.
No, the whole affair seemed designed for public consumption. The question is why.0 -
Most other countries are less likely to take umbrage at a comment than the professional offence-takers of the British left.SouthamObserver said:
Why do the right think that it's a good idea to stick two fingers up to countries we want to have good, friendly relations with?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Why do the left always fret so much about what 'signal' this or that action will send out to the world.SouthamObserver said:
I have little interest in Boris's career. What interests me is what kind of signal about the UK and May's government the BoJo appointment sends out. We really need to be making friends and deepening relationships across the world. And the world really doesn't think much of Boris. I wonder if May actually gave this the thought it deserved.Mortimer said:
Oh dear; are you going to keep posting this image like you kept posting the IFS chart - I suppose at least today it isn't a periodical cover from June.SouthamObserver said:
The appointment has gone down like a lead balloon abroad. As an opening statement from May to allies and others it's quite a strange one. This seems to sum things up. You wouldn't describe Carl Bildt as an hysterical anti-British leftie (though Boris might):Polruan said:
It's great isn't it? My first thought when I heard that the surprise new foreign secretary was a disloyal rightwinger whose opportunistic rhetoric had become a focal point for party rebels was that Hilary Benn had finally crossed the floor so Boris is something of a (comic) relief.SouthamObserver said:Seventh, as in heaven.
Boris is foreign secretary. I slept on it and it really is true :-D
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/753303826971713536
The fact that this image didn't kill his career shows how remarkable BoJo is.
Do they sit at home brooding over what the neighbours think about everything they do at home like Hyacinth Bucket?0 -
I'm not sure. I've been backing him since late last year. He has three important qualities which are currently scarce in the Labour Party: an understanding that the Corbyn thing is about policy not personality (having the balls to come out with a definite position on a second referendum is an important step and will probably swing at least 10pc his way); a well-organised campaign which seems to have been ready to go in decent scale, but which he was comfortable to keep quiet until the time was favourable; and, connected with that, enough of a media background to know how to get a hearing for his message.SimonStClare said:Morning all.
I would suggest the market prediction for Owen Smith (who he? ed) is based on early punters snapping him up at decent odds, rather than any realistic hope that he’d beat Jeremy Corbyn.
My gut feeling is that the Labour right is now desperate enough for a candidate with what they call leadership that they will swing behind him even if he sticks to a policy agenda that will be left enough for many of Corbyn's supporters who are looking for something more distinctive than simply "not the Tories". This is a big change from last summer when any policy pronouncements with a hint of socialism about them were seen as too dangerous for a credible leader.0 -
There are three doors, behind all three of them is a goat. Happy days?daodao said:<
Re BOJO's appointment as FS, i.e. the new Clarkson, the only comment that will really cause difficulties in the near future is his insulting Limerick about the dictator of his ancestral homeland. May would be advised to deal directly with Erdogan, not via her FS. However, BJ's comment about Obama was accurate.0 -
Because he's the second most hated politician in Britain behind Jez?DecrepitJohnL said:No, the whole affair seemed designed for public consumption. The question is why.
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Ah, ignorance is tasty, nutritious, unitary bliss.daodao said:
I voted Leave, as I didn't want the UK to end up as a far flung province of a United States of Europe, run from Berlin in the German national interest, i.e. a modern version of GrossDeutschesReich. However, I do regret that inadvertently, because of the way the votes were cast AND PUBLISHED, this will inevitably lead to break up of the UK, and reintegration of Wales into England. Was there any need to declare votes by district/region, rather than just announce the overall result?HaroldO said:
He also implies it will be a rump England left, even though Wales voted leave...RobD said:
Implying that Britain can only survive if it is inside the political union of the EU.Scott_P said:@MarinaHyde: This and the 16 tweets leading up to it offer a not unreasonable view from abroad .... https://t.co/Eg8oPxZc58
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I understand a US company, goggle perhaps, has come up with a tool to help you help yourself. Perhaps it will become widely used in time and surpass Altavista.PlatoSaid said:Just checked Chris Grayling's wiki entry and he's still waiting for a job - thought I read here yesterday that he'd got one.
Anyone remember? It was a blizzard of announcements and rumours yesterday.0 -
O/T I've just done the Pokemon quiz in the telegraph... Pokemon Go is taking over the world
Be afraid, I'm a Charizard.0 -
If she'd done it by phone she would have been 'rude, not showing him the courtesy of a personal interview for such a senior government colleague.'DecrepitJohnL said:
That it happened at Number 10 with all the cameras outside. There was no need for Osborne to be there: he could have been sacked by phone, or May could have had a quiet word after Cabinet or in the House after PMQs. Similarly, there was no need even to present it as sacking: Osborne could have put out a statement saying he'd decided to step back from the front line. Oh, and if Osborne really had been brutally sacked, where is his case for the defence?CarlottaVance said:
What was remotely theatrical about Osborne's sacking?DecrepitJohnL said:
There are lots of jobs left. The papers are saying Theresa May's speech borrowed from Ed Miliband but really it was classic one nation Toryism of the sort associated with Michael Gove.blackburn63 said:Has Gove got a job?
If not not it seems May is sending out a message about gossip, backstabbing and cliques. Good for her.
The trouble with Gove is that he is not awfully good at politics. He antagonises people who would naturally be on his side, and in case he is ever too busy to offend people in person, he pays Dominic Cummings to do it for him.
Jeremy Hunt seems like a less bright version.
And the unnecessarily theatrical sacking of Osborne had spin written all over it.
No, the whole affair seemed designed for public consumption. The question is why.
Its not like she frog marched him out the front door into the press pack.
May is a traditionalist - these things are best done face to face.....not by phone, or text.....0 -
Do you bother to read before sneering? Golly, how do you cope at such high altitude?matt said:
I understand a US company, goggle perhaps, has come up with a tool to help you help yourself. Perhaps it will become widely used in time and surpass Altavista.PlatoSaid said:Just checked Chris Grayling's wiki entry and he's still waiting for a job - thought I read here yesterday that he'd got one.
Anyone remember? It was a blizzard of announcements and rumours yesterday.0 -
Cos he is a c**tDecrepitJohnL said:
That it happened at Number 10 with all the cameras outside. There was no need for Osborne to be there: he could have been sacked by phone, or May could have had a quiet word after Cabinet or in the House after PMQs. Similarly, there was no need even to present it as sacking: Osborne could have put out a statement saying he'd decided to step back from the front line. Oh, and if Osborne really had been brutally sacked, where is his case for the defence?CarlottaVance said:
What was remotely theatrical about Osborne's sacking?DecrepitJohnL said:
There are lots of jobs left. The papers are saying Theresa May's speech borrowed from Ed Miliband but really it was classic one nation Toryism of the sort associated with Michael Gove.blackburn63 said:Has Gove got a job?
If not not it seems May is sending out a message about gossip, backstabbing and cliques. Good for her.
The trouble with Gove is that he is not awfully good at politics. He antagonises people who would naturally be on his side, and in case he is ever too busy to offend people in person, he pays Dominic Cummings to do it for him.
Jeremy Hunt seems like a less bright version.
And the unnecessarily theatrical sacking of Osborne had spin written all over it.
No, the whole affair seemed designed for public consumption. The question is why.
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I struggle with the relentlessly thick.0
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Sadly, Owen Smith has 1 attribute that will ensure that he will never be PM, even if he wins the Labour leadership - remember the contempt in which Neil Kinnock was held east of Offa's Dyke.Polruan said:
My gut feeling is that the Labour right is now desperate enough for a candidate with what they call leadership that they will swing behind him even if he sticks to a policy agenda that will be left enough for many of Corbyn's supporters who are looking for something more distinctive than simply "not the Tories". This is a big change from last summer when any policy pronouncements with a hint of socialism about them were seen as too dangerous for a credible leader.SimonStClare said:Morning all.
I would suggest the market prediction for Owen Smith (who he? ed) is based on early punters snapping him up at decent odds, rather than any realistic hope that he’d beat Jeremy Corbyn.0 -
I think Theresa May has been rather clever bringing arch Leaver, Boris back into the fold. The much pared down roll of foreign secretary is enough rope to limit the damage he could do abroad, and enough to hang himself if he does.Charles said:
That was my immediate reaction. I very much doubt we are going to do that much on the world scene in the next 2-3 years except negotiate Brexit and develop trade links. Any security crises, of course, May will be all over and Fallon will be in the room as well (as well as BoJo)ToryJim said:@SouthamObserver
May is very thoughtful which is why before giving Boris the job she carved most of it away into other departments. Boris will find most of the traditional job of FS being done by Davis and Fox. It was an appointment that puzzled me to start with until I realised how cunning she had been.0 -
I think that's absolutely spot on about the Labour right and centre. The climate has changed too, more generally - an anti-austerity message is more sellable in the country. But Smith will not be Momentum's candidate and that is going to be fatal to his chances.Polruan said:
I'm not sure. I've been backing him since late last year. He has three important qualities which are currently scarce in the Labour Party: an understanding that the Corbyn thing is about policy not personality (having the balls to come out with a definite position on a second referendum is an important step and will probably swing at least 10pc his way); a well-organised campaign which seems to have been ready to go in decent scale, but which he was comfortable to keep quiet until the time was favourable; and, connected with that, enough of a media background to know how to get a hearing for his message.SimonStClare said:Morning all.
I would suggest the market prediction for Owen Smith (who he? ed) is based on early punters snapping him up at decent odds, rather than any realistic hope that he’d beat Jeremy Corbyn.
My gut feeling is that the Labour right is now desperate enough for a candidate with what they call leadership that they will swing behind him even if he sticks to a policy agenda that will be left enough for many of Corbyn's supporters who are looking for something more distinctive than simply "not the Tories". This is a big change from last summer when any policy pronouncements with a hint of socialism about them were seen as too dangerous for a credible leader.
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Yes, these are thoughtful comments. Whilst I expect quite a few FCO staff have woken up with headaches this morning, this is a job where Boris's faux comedian style will prove particularly inappropriate. He will need to master the brief and put in some work, for a change. And if he does mess up with some ill chosen gag that offends abroad, he is basically in 'one chance saloon' - because his job self evidently requires diplomacy, it will be obvious he has to be sacked and there will be no coming back, even for him.Charles said:
That was my immediate reaction. I very much doubt we are going to do that much on the world scene in the next 2-3 years except negotiate Brexit and develop trade links. Any security crises, of course, May will be all over and Fallon will be in the room as well (as well as BoJo)ToryJim said:@SouthamObserver
May is very thoughtful which is why before giving Boris the job she carved most of it away into other departments. Boris will find most of the traditional job of FS being done by Davis and Fox. It was an appointment that puzzled me to start with until I realised how cunning she had been.
Given the character and temperament he has displayed throughout his political career, it could almost be an exquisite form of torture...
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Pretty generous piece from Montie re Cameron's legacy - http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/cameron-has-ground-the-opposition-to-dust-0hwbsbnj80
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