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She has moved to the right of the kippers now floating somewhere near the League of Empire Loyalists.JackW said:0 -
He doesn't give the air of someone who is giving up the pressures of No 10 in order to turn to the detail of departmental ministry.HurstLlama said:
Chamberlain not only served under Churchill but probably in those dark days of 1940 made sure that the Churchill premiership survived until July. Without Chamberlain's support in cabinet it is likely that Halifax would have forced Churchill out and made peace with Hitler.Carolus_Rex said:
Why not? Chamberlain served under Churchill. What job would best suit him?Gravitation said:
Wonder if May offered him a job.Big_G_NorthWales said:David Cameron is just so fantastic in this theatre - he will be missed
However, those were different days, different men who lived by different standards. Home, who served at the FCO under Heath, was probably the last of them.0 -
Cameron as Foreign Secretary in a few years' time could make sense, if he actually wants the job.0
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Yes much better to bang desks.........Lowlander said:
They don't "get" that parliament is supposed to be a little club where greasy pole climbers can backslap each other across the benches.MaxPB said:Gordon Bennet the SNP just don't get it.
Good. This appalling display of fawning over Cameron is a disgrace to democracy. An undeserved theatre show of praise for a man whose time in office has achieved virtually nothing of value.
Indeed, the SNP do not "get" that Parliament is theatre and not a legislature and despise that the British people are let down so badly by their elected representatives from the old, mainstream parties. They are right to find it disgusting, it is Britains greatest shame.0 -
Well welcome. We need a few more sensible Lab types on here.Dromedary said:
No - don't worry! English and Labour.TOPPING said:
Are you an SNP member by any chance?Dromedary said:
Timing?TOPPING said:
You know the secret of great comedy, don't you. Same here on PB.Dromedary said:Green candidate Jill Stein's response to Bernie Sanders's endorsement of Hillary Clinton was "HillNo", "JillYes".
If Stein can win enough votes from some of Bernie Sanders's supporters, or enough support to get into the TV debates, it could be curtains for Clinton. Donald Trump's endorser Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox News could help. Maybe Trump and Stein will fight over climate change.
Mid price at Betfair for Trump has risen to 4.2.
The Green Party's convention comes after the Dem and Rep conventions.
Are you saying it's not OK to talk in the comments about political betting topics that aren't related to the subject of the article? The US presidential election is the next big market. £16 million at Betfair already. But if I've committed a faux pas I'll shut up
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Prime Minister - The Right Honourable David Cameron MP
Thanks for the memories ....
More time for you to read PB now .... 0 -
All local Labour Party meetings are banned until late September (if not further extended)CD13 said:I reckon Jezza's had a good month or so. Saying very little on his unlimited immigration desire during the referendum debate, seeing his Labour enemies ejaculate prematurely, and now he can sit back and smile. Having been an SWP cuckoo for thirty years, he can now start throwing the other eggs out the nest.
"What's that coming over the hill? It's deselection, deselection."0 -
That would be a real shame. Hopefully he sticks around and takes up a role post-brexit as you said.TheScreamingEagles said:That said Dave sounded like someone who wasn't planning to be an MP for much longer
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Therein lies the rub, he might not. However he would be big enough to take it on if he did want to continue a front line career.Morris_Dancer said:Cameron as Foreign Secretary in a few years' time could make sense, if he actually wants the job.
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Yep, wished he'd got a question. Didn't need the sour SNP at all.oxfordsimon said:It is a shame that Clegg didn't get a chance to speak today - that would have been quite fitting
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Watched PMQs and teared up a bit. What an anorak am I. Cheerio Dave, you will be missed.0
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Yes, I'm sure he'll retire from front-line politics now.david_herdson said:He doesn't give the air of someone who is giving up the pressures of No 10 in order to turn to the detail of departmental ministry.
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The House of Commons library has two documents on Brexit.
1. "Now that the UK has voted to leave the EU, what will happen next? This Commons Library briefing paper looks at the immediate consequences of the vote and some of the longer term implications. "
http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7632
2."This House of Commons Library Briefing Paper analyses the results of the referendum on EU membership held on 23 June 2016."
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HAH I knew it - now we know who REALLY runs the country !TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Ok, who won the arslikhan battle (in Westminster, not here of course)?
Peter Lilley?0 -
All joshing aside - my politics haven't changed. I feel more in common with Gisela than May. Staying in the Tories doesn't fit and I'm happy to be honest about it.foxinsoxuk said:
She has moved to the right of the kippers now floating somewhere near the League of Empire Loyalists.JackW said:
Ted Heath meet EdM doesn't fit my vision of a successful future.0 -
"No, Mr Corbyn, I expect you to die!"TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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Here is Cameron’s peroration.
I will watch these exchanges from the back benches. I will miss the roar of the crowd, I will miss the barbs from the opposition, but I will be willing you on.
And when I say willingly you on, I don’t just mean willing on the new prime minister at this despatch box, or indeed just willing on the front bench defending the manifesto that I helped put together. But I mean willing all of you on, because people come here with huge passion for the issues they are about. They come here with great love for the constituencies that they represent. And also willing on this place. Because, yes, we can be pretty tough and test and challenge our leaders - perhaps more than some other countries - but that is something we should be proud of and we should keep at it, and I hope you will all keep at it, and I will will you on as you do.
The last thing I would say is that you can achieve a lot of things in politics. You can get a lot of things done. And that in the end, the public service, the national interest, that is what it is all about. Nothing is really impossible if you put your mind to it. After all, as I once said, I was the future once.
He was a class act, we'll not see his like for a while I suspect.0 -
Jeremy Corbyn conspicuously applauded Cameron at the end of PMQs, albeit from a seated position ..... the big question is will Shadsy do the decent thing and pay out on those 3/1 bets?0
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Good God, it'd make Stalin blush.IanB2 said:
All local Labour Party meetings are banned until late September (if not further extended)CD13 said:I reckon Jezza's had a good month or so. Saying very little on his unlimited immigration desire during the referendum debate, seeing his Labour enemies ejaculate prematurely, and now he can sit back and smile. Having been an SWP cuckoo for thirty years, he can now start throwing the other eggs out the nest.
"What's that coming over the hill? It's deselection, deselection."0 -
The important stat is that govt approval is -45, which i think is worse than anything under the coalition (and pretty revealing, along with Cameron's rating, that the public have no great love for the Tories at the moment). Under Miliband, Labour was about 10% clear against similar govt approval figures - albeit that the figures aren't quite comparable as there'll be an inclination for LDs to disapprove now when they were more likely to approve in govt.Pulpstar said:
It's a midterm poll. Labour should be in the lead.jonny83 said:
Labour on 35% no freaking way.Pulpstar said:Britain Elects @britainelects 5m5 minutes ago
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 36% (+1)
LAB: 35% (+1)
LDEM: 11% (+2) Winning here.
UKIP: 8% (-2)
GRN: 4% (-)
(via Ipsos Mori / 09 - 11 Jul)
But quite decent considering some people here think they might drop to sub 100 seats (I maintain they will end up with ~ 200)0 -
LOLRobD said:
"No, Mr Corbyn, I expect you to die!"TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Mr. D, I may steal that for tweeting purposes (or RT if you're on Twitter).0
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Not calling Farron was poor form...0
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Are you on the Stand/applaud side of the bet ?peter_from_putney said:Jeremy Corbyn conspicuously applauded Cameron at the end of PMQs, albeit from a seated position ..... the big question is will Shadsy do the decent thing and pay out on those 3/1 bets?
The no stand/applaud has been very generously paid but I don't know about the other side.0 -
Gracious exit from Dave. Say what you want but mans got class.0
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He still knew there were bergs about and that they'd be difficult to spot but carried on anyway.RodCrosby said:
Standard procedure for the time. And he had altered course. Just not enough. The bergs were unusually far south that year.david_herdson said:
No, but the ship was still sailing under his orders i.e. too fast in an area known to contain icebergs.RodCrosby said:
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...Ishmael_X said:
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).Danny565 said:
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?jonny83 said:Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
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class actSimonStClare said:Here is Cameron’s peroration.
I will watch these exchanges from the back benches. I will miss the roar of the crowd, I will miss the barbs from the opposition, but I will be willing you on.
And when I say willingly you on, I don’t just mean willing on the new prime minister at this despatch box, or indeed just willing on the front bench defending the manifesto that I helped put together. But I mean willing all of you on, because people come here with huge passion for the issues they are about. They come here with great love for the constituencies that they represent. And also willing on this place. Because, yes, we can be pretty tough and test and challenge our leaders - perhaps more than some other countries - but that is something we should be proud of and we should keep at it, and I hope you will all keep at it, and I will will you on as you do.
The last thing I would say is that you can achieve a lot of things in politics. You can get a lot of things done. And that in the end, the public service, the national interest, that is what it is all about. Nothing is really impossible if you put your mind to it. After all, as I once said, I was the future once.
He was a class act, we'll not see his like for a while I suspect.0 -
Cat saying "I TOLD you to support Leave. You muppet...."TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Hah, go for it, although I suspect others here could do better.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. D, I may steal that for tweeting purposes (or RT if you're on Twitter).
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Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I don't have any inside info on this, but my hunch is JC at evens or above is good value - and I've taken a moderate position.Pulpstar said:
@Pong matched Corbyn at 11-10, remarkably in that market.Brom said:
he's not though is he? he's even money to be next Labour leader which is a different market.rottenborough said:Jo Maugham QC @JolyonMaugham 5m5 minutes ago
Don't choke on your quinoa, Corbyn fans, but @OwenSmith_MP is basically even money on Betfair to beat him.
When they price up a labour leadership election market Corbyn will be odds on I would assume.
@Pong knows his onions.
I treat my own hunches with caution, though!
I need to get my head around who the competitive selectorate thing will favour, and the extent of the advantage.
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"12:41pm
Corbyn shakes PM's hand and walks away with him
Jeremy Corbyn got out of his seat quickly as David Cameron walk away.
They shook hands behind the Speaker's chair and walked together."
I actually quite like Corbyn.. good egg..0 -
Mr B2,
"All local Labour Party meetings are banned until late September (if not further extended)."
They're trying to put a bit of netting around the nest.
An amusing PMQs for a change.0 -
Gove is such an utter, utter arse, and such is his embarrassment that I'm sure he can barely face walking down the road let alone participate in any political activity (was he in the House just now?).TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
From Spain - as my Cs contact in Barcelona told me last night: they will abstain on a second vote for the inauguration of Rajoy as PM. That means a minority PP government heavily dependent on Cs support, but no coalition.0
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MarqueeMark said:
Cat saying "I TOLD you to support Leave. You muppet...."TheScreamingEagles said:
Unfortunately, whomever tweets for Larry was keen on Remain.0 -
Gove was godfather to Ivan Cameron, is sad that it has come to this.TOPPING said:
Gove is such an utter, utter arse, such is his embarrassment I'm sure he can barely face walking down the road let alone participate in any political activity (was he in the House just now?).TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:
It wasn't the way that Gove campaigned for Leave, it was the way he did it that irked Cameron.0 -
So farewell then, Cameron, you led so well;
Up until Brexit, and then you fell.
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Of course, everyone knows that cats are very keen on freedom of movement.PlatoSaid said:MarqueeMark said:
Cat saying "I TOLD you to support Leave. You muppet...."TheScreamingEagles said:
Unfortunately, whomever tweets for Larry was keen on Remain.0 -
And trouble for Cameron's successors, I reckon. Gove'll always have the ear of the Conservative hardcore leavers and the TINOs for whom the EU supersedes all other matters of government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I feel sad about Dave going, it's like losing a distant family member or old friend/acquaintance, someone you don't meet often but you got on with well. It feels like the end of an era, I just wish someone sat down with him in September and showed him this future, maybe he would have tried harder to reform free movement and got better terms in his negotiations.0
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Undoubtedly he has class. Just not great political judgment on the EU. Sadly.FrankMuller said:Gracious exit from Dave. Say what you want but mans got class.
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When I put up a dovecote, I was most annoyed they didn't just move in. Had to net them and eventually all was good.CD13 said:Mr B2,
"All local Labour Party meetings are banned until late September (if not further extended)."
They're trying to put a bit of netting around the nest.
An amusing PMQs for a change.
Little buggers.0 -
Yeah, right.PlatoSaid said:
All joshing aside - my politics haven't changed. I feel more in common with Gisela than May. Staying in the Tories doesn't fit and I'm happy to be honest about it.foxinsoxuk said:
She has moved to the right of the kippers now floating somewhere near the League of Empire Loyalists.JackW said:
Ted Heath meet EdM doesn't fit my vision of a successful future.0 -
Not really, Gove has always been a Cameroon moderniser, that's the tragedy of the situation.JosiasJessop said:
And trouble for Cameron's successors, I reckon. Gove'll always have the ear of the Conservative hardcore leavers and the TINOs for whom the EU supersedes all other matters of government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Gove is plainly psychotic. Probably not someone you could very easily have a long-term friendship with.TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:
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"She wanted to be the first woman prime minister back in our Oxford days and she was very irritated when Maggie Thatcher beat her to it"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3687797/May-wanted-Britain-s-female-PM-irritated-Thatcher-beat-Number-10-claims-friend.html0 -
He has proven himself a) disloyal; and b) incompetent.JosiasJessop said:
And trouble for Cameron's successors, I reckon. Gove'll always have the ear of the Conservative hardcore leavers and the TINOs for whom the EU supersedes all other matters of government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you sure he will hold such sway in the Conservative Party in future?0 -
Mr. Max, aye. But, all things end.
Anyway, I'm off for a bit. Given the way politics is, one imagines something dramatic will happen before I return.0 -
P'haps. I'm unconvinced, but hope you're right.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not really, Gove has always been a Cameroon moderniser, that's the tragedy of the situation.JosiasJessop said:
And trouble for Cameron's successors, I reckon. Gove'll always have the ear of the Conservative hardcore leavers and the TINOs for whom the EU supersedes all other matters of government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
David CameronMarkHopkins said:
So farewell then, Cameron, you led so well;
Up until Brexit, and then you fell.
Did not carry on,
He headed for the exit
After eating his Brexit.0 -
And natural mavericks - they don't do federal rule following stuff.Richard_Nabavi said:
Of course, everyone knows that cats are very keen on freedom of movement.PlatoSaid said:MarqueeMark said:
Cat saying "I TOLD you to support Leave. You muppet...."TheScreamingEagles said:
Unfortunately, whomever tweets for Larry was keen on Remain.
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He did it to himself, tragically.MaxPB said:God, what have we done. Come back Dave.
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IIRC Gove and Cameron have had a friendship going back decades.SouthamObserver said:
Gove is plainly psychotic. Probably not someone you could very easily have a long-term friendship with.TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
When can we expect to see the May Cabinet line up?0
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Major was brought down by the bas**rds, who were both disloyal and incompetent. Some of the same faces featured again in the EU referendum.TOPPING said:
He has proven himself a) disloyal; and b) incompetent.JosiasJessop said:
And trouble for Cameron's successors, I reckon. Gove'll always have the ear of the Conservative hardcore leavers and the TINOs for whom the EU supersedes all other matters of government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you sure he will hold such sway in the Conservative Party in future?
They're bound to warm to Gove.
(Although I'm not sure he was incompetent: I think he may have got the result he wanted, or at least he can live with).0 -
She's got to be appointed by the Queen firstanotherDave said:When can we expect to see the May Cabinet line up?
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If that's how they feel, they should imitate Sinn Fein and not take their seats.Lowlander said:
They don't "get" that parliament is supposed to be a little club where greasy pole climbers can backslap each other across the benches.MaxPB said:Gordon Bennet the SNP just don't get it.
Good. This appalling display of fawning over Cameron is a disgrace to democracy. An undeserved theatre show of praise for a man whose time in office has achieved virtually nothing of value.
Indeed, the SNP do not "get" that Parliament is theatre and not a legislature and despise that the British people are let down so badly by their elected representatives from the old, mainstream parties. They are right to find it disgusting, it is Britains greatest shame.0 -
Early days but Corbyn is coming in and Smith is drifting on Betfair. Limited liquidity though...0
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Standard procedure. The berg that the Titanic struck was probably unusually dark (it may have turned over recently).david_herdson said:
He still knew there were bergs about and that they'd be difficult to spot but carried on anyway.RodCrosby said:
Standard procedure for the time. And he had altered course. Just not enough. The bergs were unusually far south that year.david_herdson said:
No, but the ship was still sailing under his orders i.e. too fast in an area known to contain icebergs.RodCrosby said:
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...Ishmael_X said:
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).Danny565 said:
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?jonny83 said:Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
If the ship had contacted the berg is just about any other way than she actually did, she may well have steamed into New York. Incredible bad luck. And a whole chain of bad luck.
You can't blame one man for it. If blame lies anywhere it's with asshats in Parliament who thought they could devise a smarter safety formula than "lifeboats for all"...0 -
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IIRC Mrs Gove is also a godmother to one of the Cameron children.TheScreamingEagles said:
Gove was godfather to Ivan Cameron, is sad that it has come to this.TOPPING said:
Gove is such an utter, utter arse, such is his embarrassment I'm sure he can barely face walking down the road let alone participate in any political activity (was he in the House just now?).TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:
It wasn't the way that Gove campaigned for Leave, it was the way he did it that irked Cameron.
I'll be interested to see what happens to Gove career wise, he could be finished at least for a while.0 -
Or just campaigned for Brexit?MaxPB said:I feel sad about Dave going, it's like losing a distant family member or old friend/acquaintance, someone you don't meet often but you got on with well. It feels like the end of an era, I just wish someone sat down with him in September and showed him this future, maybe he would have tried harder to reform free movement and got better terms in his negotiations.
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That photo is class. Proper stuff.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I think that's completely over the top as a verdict. I've met many Michael Goves in my time, particularly in Cheltenham. Highly intelligent people who think that the mere fact they are 'right' trumps everything else. As anyone who's dealt with politics, corporate or otherwise, will tell you, being right doesn't necessarily win you either friends or allies.SouthamObserver said:
Gove is plainly psychotic. Probably not someone you could very easily have a long-term friendship with.TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Yes, they were the two original Notting Hill set, Osborne joined the project slightly later iirc.TheScreamingEagles said:
IIRC Gove and Cameron have had a friendship going back decades.SouthamObserver said:
Gove is plainly psychotic. Probably not someone you could very easily have a long-term friendship with.TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Hmm. Maybe, but I'm not sure Mrs Gove would agree.JosiasJessop said:
Major was brought down by the bas**rds, who were both disloyal and incompetent. Some of the same faces featured again in the EU referendum.TOPPING said:
He has proven himself a) disloyal; and b) incompetent.JosiasJessop said:
And trouble for Cameron's successors, I reckon. Gove'll always have the ear of the Conservative hardcore leavers and the TINOs for whom the EU supersedes all other matters of government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you sure he will hold such sway in the Conservative Party in future?
They're bound to warm to Gove.
(Although I'm not sure he was incompetent: I think he may have got the result he wanted, or at least he can live with).0 -
He is a very good Justice Secretary, I hope May keeps him on.jonny83 said:
IIRC Mrs Gove is also a godmother to one of the Cameron children.TheScreamingEagles said:
Gove was godfather to Ivan Cameron, is sad that it has come to this.TOPPING said:
Gove is such an utter, utter arse, such is his embarrassment I'm sure he can barely face walking down the road let alone participate in any political activity (was he in the House just now?).TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:
It wasn't the way that Gove campaigned for Leave, it was the way he did it that irked Cameron.
I'll be interested to see what happens to Gove career wise, he could be finished at least for a while.0 -
Only very slightly. And not reflected in the next labour leadermurali_s said:Early days but Corbyn is coming in and Smith is drifting on Betfair. Limited liquidity though...
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As an exceptional PMQs it would have been gracious to have called all the party leaders.JackW said:
Simply a reflection of the LibDem much weaker status in the Commons. Farron gets a question about every 3 or 4 PMQ's.Rexel56 said:Not calling Farron was poor form...
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Faisal Islam - Every day of Cameron's Premiership saw on average more than 1,000 jobs were created.0
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Mr Major's intervention in the Referendum campaign was a low point for Project Fear.JosiasJessop said:
Major was brought down by the bas**rds, who were both disloyal and incompetent. Some of the same faces featured again in the EU referendum.TOPPING said:
He has proven himself a) disloyal; and b) incompetent.JosiasJessop said:
And trouble for Cameron's successors, I reckon. Gove'll always have the ear of the Conservative hardcore leavers and the TINOs for whom the EU supersedes all other matters of government.TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you sure he will hold such sway in the Conservative Party in future?
They're bound to warm to Gove.
(Although I'm not sure he was incompetent: I think he may have got the result he wanted, or at least he can live with).
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BBC suggesting cabinet changes may be more wide ranging than expected0
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I guess we'll see how adequate was his judgement in the next few years or so. At the end of the day he wasn't wrong to do a referendum, his mistake was the timing of it. It astonishes me how small the margin for error in British politics.MarqueeMark said:
Undoubtedly he has class. Just not great political judgment on the EU. Sadly.FrankMuller said:Gracious exit from Dave. Say what you want but mans got class.
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The people of Poland have a lot to thank him for.TheScreamingEagles said:Faisal Islam - Every day of Cameron's Premiership saw on average more than 1,000 jobs were created.
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I hope he stays at Justice by virtue of his reform agenda - that was he main reason I wanted to vote for him.jonny83 said:
IIRC Mrs Gove is also a godmother to one of the Cameron children.TheScreamingEagles said:
Gove was godfather to Ivan Cameron, is sad that it has come to this.TOPPING said:
Gove is such an utter, utter arse, such is his embarrassment I'm sure he can barely face walking down the road let alone participate in any political activity (was he in the House just now?).TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:
It wasn't the way that Gove campaigned for Leave, it was the way he did it that irked Cameron.
I'll be interested to see what happens to Gove career wise, he could be finished at least for a while.
It's brave controversial stuff that no one else would even attempt. If he'd been Home Sec - he could've tackled drug reform too.
Hope he gets another stab at this stuff.0 -
If that photo had appeared in the mail this time last month the referendum result may well have been different.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The BBC reporting that May will be PM by early evening and I'd expect she will announce the big beast jobs tonight.anotherDave said:When can we expect to see the May Cabinet line up?
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Ahem! (Buffs nails..)IanB2 said:BBC suggesting cabinet changes may be more wide ranging than expected
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Lefties will claim all those jobs are zero hour ones, which is blatantly not true.TheScreamingEagles said:Faisal Islam - Every day of Cameron's Premiership saw on average more than 1,000 jobs were created.
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Aside from the "EU headbangers", don't underestimate the dissatisfaction of some Tory members/voters/leaners with the idea of an authoritarian, managerialist Conservative government with a social democratic agenda. This doesn't appeal to those on the small-l "live and let live" liberal or libertarian side, those who prefer their creatively destructive capitalism red in tooth and claw, or even just those who are skeptical of the power of bureaucracy and state intervention to improve lives in the intended manner. This is not a huge chunk of the electorate, and they don't have an obvious alternative home to go to. But they may find themselves reduced to reluctant Tory voters holding their noses at the ballot box, and certainly not have great incentive to be a member or activist.JosiasJessop said:
Yeah, right.PlatoSaid said:
All joshing aside - my politics haven't changed. I feel more in common with Gisela than May. Staying in the Tories doesn't fit and I'm happy to be honest about it.foxinsoxuk said:
She has moved to the right of the kippers now floating somewhere near the League of Empire Loyalists.JackW said:
Ted Heath meet EdM doesn't fit my vision of a successful future.0 -
Not looking likely albeit there is much pleading going on.TheScreamingEagles said:He is a very good Justice Secretary, I hope May keeps him on.
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I don't think the numbers are there for Smith. I think Corbyn should be backed into 1/2, until he is I think he remains a value bet. The members already know everything about Corbyn, but Smith starts as the 'anyone but Corbyn candidate' & I think as we learn more about him via the media he is likely to lose support through his weaknesses being put on display rather than win over any Corbynite members.0
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Any tips ?Richard_Nabavi said:
Ahem! (Buffs nails..)IanB2 said:BBC suggesting cabinet changes may be more wide ranging than expected
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The Buller is irrelevant - a distraction technique.TheScreamingEagles said:I changed my picture as I'm in mourning.
I'm hopeful at least one ex Bullingdon boy will be occupying a great office of state.
George for Foreign Secretary.
It's the Grid that matters...
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Richard_Nabavi said:
Of course, everyone knows that cats are very keen on freedom of movement.PlatoSaid said:MarqueeMark said:
Cat saying "I TOLD you to support Leave. You muppet...."TheScreamingEagles said:
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The problem is trust is his biggest weakeness right now not his competency. After the events in recent weeks (though he gets praise from me for stopping Boris) his trust levels must be at rock bottom right now.PlatoSaid said:
I hope he stays at Justice by virtue of his reform agenda - that was he main reason I wanted to vote for him.jonny83 said:
IIRC Mrs Gove is also a godmother to one of the Cameron children.TheScreamingEagles said:
Gove was godfather to Ivan Cameron, is sad that it has come to this.TOPPING said:
Gove is such an utter, utter arse, such is his embarrassment I'm sure he can barely face walking down the road let alone participate in any political activity (was he in the House just now?).TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:
It wasn't the way that Gove campaigned for Leave, it was the way he did it that irked Cameron.
I'll be interested to see what happens to Gove career wise, he could be finished at least for a while.
It's brave controversial stuff that no one else would even attempt. If he'd been Home Sec - he could've tackled drug reform too.
Hope he gets another stab at this stuff.
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Oh, indeed. Yet we don't know yet what May's policy platform or premiership will be like.MyBurningEars said:
Aside from the "EU headbangers", don't underestimate the dissatisfaction of some Tory members/voters/leaners with the idea of an authoritarian, managerialist Conservative government with a social democratic agenda. This doesn't appeal to those on the small-l "live and let live" liberal or libertarian side, those who prefer their creatively destructive capitalism red in tooth and claw, or even just those who are skeptical of the power of bureaucracy and state intervention to improve lives in the intended manner. This is not a huge chunk of the electorate, and they don't have an obvious alternative home to go to. But they may find themselves reduced to reluctant Tory voters holding their noses at the ballot box, and certainly not have great incentive to be a member or activist.JosiasJessop said:
Yeah, right.PlatoSaid said:
All joshing aside - my politics haven't changed. I feel more in common with Gisela than May. Staying in the Tories doesn't fit and I'm happy to be honest about it.foxinsoxuk said:
She has moved to the right of the kippers now floating somewhere near the League of Empire Loyalists.JackW said:
Ted Heath meet EdM doesn't fit my vision of a successful future.
Instead, people are judging her on farcical 'she was a remainer' criteria.0 -
I read an article just after Gove came out for Leave, and it said he'd been enormously loyal to Cameron - and gained little back.John_M said:
I think that's completely over the top as a verdict. I've met many Michael Goves in my time, particularly in Cheltenham. Highly intelligent people who think that the mere fact they are 'right' trumps everything else. As anyone who's dealt with politics, corporate or otherwise, will tell you, being right doesn't necessarily win you either friends or allies.SouthamObserver said:
Gove is plainly psychotic. Probably not someone you could very easily have a long-term friendship with.TheScreamingEagles said:
Very much so.jonny83 said:
Sounds like their friendship is very much over.TheScreamingEagles said:
He swallowed the ignominy of being shuffled from Education to Whip's Office with good grace and always offered total support for Cameron.
Finally it went a step too far re Brexit - so binned the doormat behaviour and went for it.0 -
Ed said the same and didn't get anywhere, don't worry the British public are not stupid.jonny83 said:
Lefties will claim all those jobs are zero hour ones, which is blatantly not true.TheScreamingEagles said:Faisal Islam - Every day of Cameron's Premiership saw on average more than 1,000 jobs were created.
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