Blimey, someone has managed to back Jezza at 11-10 for the contest !
Owen Smith is trading evens => laying him would give you pretty much the same result. It would cover you against an Eagle victory but expose you to a Smith victory in a year's time or thereafter
I did quite a bit of trading this morning, very happy with my position now.
That article very much reflects my own feelings about Osborne. A nasty, scheming man whose ambitions have been thwarted, for now, but who will not probably cannot stop scheming. TM needs to sack him for the good of the Country let alone her own peace of mind and the collegiality of her government.
Osborne was a day-boy at a London school, housed in a hideous concrete pre-fab built on the site of a filled-in reservoir by Hammersmith Bridge. It's odd he was in the Bullingdon. But those clubs do sometimes let in clever boys for entertainment.
The Conservative leadership structure is much cleaner (And better) than the Labour one.
A structure is only as effective as the people filling it. Labour's problem isn't the structure as such but that the leader isn't prepared to accept the culture around which it's designed. The Conservatives had a parallel problem from 1989-2003 when no leader was secure for more than a few months. Both systems require self-restraint among leaders and among the led and break down if either side becomes too forceful or too stubborn.
Motions of confidence are binding in the case of both the Lib Dems and Conservatives, quite amazing Labour didn't have this in their rules.
The MPs are supposed to knuckle-down under the leader, obviously.
Or come up with an alternative to challenge democratically.
Or piss off...
Coups are not in the rule-book, because they're not and never have been the Labour way. Tough.
Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
Gove making a big pitch to stay at Justice - see @DannyShawBBC's feed.
Gove has demonstrated that not only is he untrustworthy, buut that he confides in his wife, who is also untrustworthy. Or can be used to drop hints that Gove hoimself can’t.
I suspect that if he finds himself looking aftrer paperclips and odd socks he should count himself fortunate.
In the bigger picture , did any minister do more to ensure TM won the leadership election than Gove ?
Law of Unintended Consequences!
His Ministerial post or the lack of one will confirm if those consequences are unintended or not
He has done quite a good job at Justice so far though. Worth keeping there on that basis alone.
I wouldn't say I am overly optimistic about May but she was clearly the best candidate available and the most experienced.
I don't think she will differ massively from Cameron policy wise though a clear pitch so far from her is that the government has to do more to make people from all across the country to feel financially better off. I think all governments would like to try and do that but it is easier said than done.
She must be heading into one of the most difficult periods a PM will have ever faced, it could easily destroy her but if she can find a way through it and the UK prospers her standing will skyrocket and soar.
Yes I think that is right.
I think much of her allure can be maintained with a "Denis Thatcher" policy although she will of course have to speak much more than she has done hitherto.
If I were her I would promote to her intimate circle, if she has not already done so, all those involved in research, writing, formulation of her speech recently. I thought it was excellent, and way above her natural ability.
Blimey, someone has managed to back Jezza at 11-10 for the contest !
Owen Smith is trading evens => laying him would give you pretty much the same result. It would cover you against an Eagle victory but expose you to a Smith victory in a year's time or thereafter
I did quite a bit of trading this morning, very happy with my position now.
Frankly my position has deteriorated considerably. Just trying to hold my nerve.
Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?
Anyone thinking of backing Angela Eagle in the Labour leadership election needs to remember the longest trend ever in political betting-UK Labour has never elected a woman leader.Add her past voting record and the key vote to support the Iraq war,she really is weighed down.I expect her to stand down for a straight Smith v Corbyn contest. BTW AWS is the only way Labour will ever elect a woman leader.Labour has a number of "systemics",one of which is bias against women.
How many of the hideously named Blair's Babes are left today?
I detest AWS - and genuinely don't understand why Labour should be biased against female candidates. Ma Beckett, Barbara Castle, Hattie blazed a trail decades ago.
Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
This is the man who won't even engage in small talk with Cameron as they walk together into House of Lords for Q's speech. He has no basic manners. Not fit to be an MP never mind PM.
Been listening to much talk this morning about May's options for Brexit and suggestions that any deal must include reduced immigration. Surely before doing anything she should set up some sort of inquiry to establish whether immigration is actually too high, is actually keeping wages down, if public services are under pressure from immigration.
Otherwise we face forcing a government to set policy for the future of the UK, based not on known facts, but on the PERCEPTION of a proportion of the electorate.
Good morning all.
Yes, agree with this. Is it the absolute number, the skills mix, the geographic concentration?
We've had an almost unquestioning attitude that immigration is a net good, is necessary and (due to global trends) unavoidable. That high level macro-economic view hasn't served us all very well in practice.
We need to take the emotion out of the topic and look at it forensically.
Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).
"Incidents against women that are motivated by an attitude of a man towards a woman and includes behaviour targeted towards a woman by men simply because they are a woman."
I wonder if the reverse (misandry) is covered too, but shan't be holding my breath. Intriguing we now have a crime only one gender can commit
Still not pleased about this aspect, though: "It means abuse or harassment which might not be a crime can be reported to and investigated by the police, and support for the victim put in place."
Things that aren't crimes shouldn't be investigated by the police. Someone being a tosser is unpleasant, but the police are there to enforce the law, not to try and make the world lovely.
If someone calls me a silly bitch in a Nottingham street, the police [according to this] would not do anything. If I were a woman, they would. That's just daft.
What will be interesting is the first time a woman gets charged for a mysogynist offence!
Totally agree on police not investigating non crimes. If they are there to enforce good behaviour, not just prevent or catch criminal behaviour, they are moral police not just police.
Been listening to much talk this morning about May's options for Brexit and suggestions that any deal must include reduced immigration. Surely before doing anything she should set up some sort of inquiry to establish whether immigration is actually too high, is actually keeping wages down, if public services are under pressure from immigration.
Otherwise we face forcing a government to set policy for the future of the UK, based not on known facts, but on the PERCEPTION of a proportion of the electorate.
Good morning all.
Yes, agree with this. Is it the absolute number, the skills mix, the geographic concentration?
We've had an almost unquestioning attitude that immigration is a net good, is necessary and (due to global trends) unavoidable. That high level macro-economic view hasn't served us all very well in practice.
We need to take the emotion out of the topic and look at it forensically.
Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
Isn't the Emperor a god? How does a god step down?
Mind you, if I remember correctly the Crown Prince has daughters and no son and Shinto does not recognise the existence of goddesses. So a system/religion that has lasted a thousand years or more is going to hit the buffers this century whatever happens.
Why did no one warn me that Burgon was on the box - missed him. Damn...
Did you miss the farting commie's great feck up? Polly wasn't impressed
The political crisis is all on the left, with a total absence of opposition. So outrageously inept is Jeremy Corbyn’s regime that Labour failed to mount a fight last week against the £1,200 charge for employment tribunals, which has seen a 70% fall in claims. Richard Burgon, the new shadow lord chancellor, simply missed its huge significance, and with no whip the government won by an astounding 135. Forget forensic challenges to bad policy or defending austerity’s victims.
David Cameron starts by congratulating Andy Murray & the other British Wimbledon winners.
Normally he says at this point he has other meetings later today. But today he says that, other than one meeting with the Queen, his diary for the rest of the day is “remarkably light”.
Why did no one warn me that Burgon was on the box - missed him. Damn...
Did you miss the farting commie's great feck up? Polly wasn't impressed
The political crisis is all on the left, with a total absence of opposition. So outrageously inept is Jeremy Corbyn’s regime that Labour failed to mount a fight last week against the £1,200 charge for employment tribunals, which has seen a 70% fall in claims. Richard Burgon, the new shadow lord chancellor, simply missed its huge significance, and with no whip the government won by an astounding 135. Forget forensic challenges to bad policy or defending austerity’s victims.
Isn't the Emperor a god? How does a god step down?
Mind you, if I remember correctly the Crown Prince has daughters and no son and Shinto does not recognise the existence of goddesses. So a system/religion that has lasted a thousand years or more is going to hit the buffers this century whatever happens.
The Tenno hasn't been a god since World War 2. At least not officially.
Why did no one warn me that Burgon was on the box - missed him. Damn...
Did you miss the farting commie's great feck up? Polly wasn't impressed
The political crisis is all on the left, with a total absence of opposition. So outrageously inept is Jeremy Corbyn’s regime that Labour failed to mount a fight last week against the £1,200 charge for employment tribunals, which has seen a 70% fall in claims. Richard Burgon, the new shadow lord chancellor, simply missed its huge significance, and with no whip the government won by an astounding 135. Forget forensic challenges to bad policy or defending austerity’s victims.
Isn't the Emperor a god? How does a god step down?
Mind you, if I remember correctly the Crown Prince has daughters and no son and Shinto does not recognise the existence of goddesses. So a system/religion that has lasted a thousand years or more is going to hit the buffers this century whatever happens.
The post-war settlement forced Hirohito to renounced divine status. In practice the Japanese pretty much ignored it.
Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...
"Incidents against women that are motivated by an attitude of a man towards a woman and includes behaviour targeted towards a woman by men simply because they are a woman."
I wonder if the reverse (misandry) is covered too, but shan't be holding my breath. Intriguing we now have a crime only one gender can commit
Still not pleased about this aspect, though: "It means abuse or harassment which might not be a crime can be reported to and investigated by the police, and support for the victim put in place."
Things that aren't crimes shouldn't be investigated by the police. Someone being a tosser is unpleasant, but the police are there to enforce the law, not to try and make the world lovely.
If someone calls me a silly bitch in a Nottingham street, the police [according to this] would not do anything. If I were a woman, they would. That's just daft.
What will be interesting is the first time a woman gets charged for a mysogynist offence!
Totally agree on police not investigating non crimes. If they are there to enforce good behaviour, not just prevent or catch criminal behaviour, they are moral police not just police.
One thing that struck me was the picture caption: "If a woman receives unwanted attention on the street, it can now be reported to Nottinghamshire Police as a hate crime"
That only applies if the attention was from a man rather than woman presumably, but I can't understand why the distinction is necessary. Why would unwanted attention from a man be a hate crime, but unwanted attention from another woman not be?
Also, if a man gets unwanted attention from a woman is that a hate crime? (It does happen, though the last time it happened to me, I was much younger and the woman was very drunk - think she was part of a hen party. Not that that should count as an excuse - drunken men on a stag do shouldn't get away with misbehaviour either!) And what if a man gets unwanted attention from another man?
Does all seem a bit "through the rabbit hole" to me.
Jeremy Corbyn starts by paying tribute to the British Wimbledon winners.
He says it is right to thank Cameron for his service. He has often disagreed with him. But he pays tribute to him for securing the release of Shaker Aamer and for his gay marriage legislation, which was passed with Labour votes.
And he asks about homelessness.
Cameron says it is 10% below the peak it was under Labour.
I wonder if May's premiership will signal the end of the Age of Austerity? It looks like May is more statist than Cameron/Osborne, hence perhaps less inclined to reduce the size of the state via cuts. Can't see why she would want to shackle herself as an incoming PM to the programme of the last government. Given the troubles she will face already with Brexit, she won't want to be seen as more divisive/thatcherlike over cuts, especially given the obvious unifier message she is projecting. Something has to give, and that something will be the idea of reducing the deficit (she already ruled out the budget surplus ambition didn't she?).
Lady Nugee took herself alot less seriously on the last QT compared to one a couple of years back. She has a rock solid London Labour seat and is very happy without the burden of Gov't I think - she's given up !
Corbyn says he has been listening to what Theresa May has been saying. She says it is harder than ever for young people to buy their first home. Why is that?
Cameron says he wants to congratulate May on becoming prime minister. When it comes to women prime ministers, soon it will be two nil. And not a pink bus in sight, he says.
On housing, he says the issue of affordability is key. Help to Buy and shared ownership mean some people can buy a home with a deposit of just £2,000.
Lady Nugee took herself alot less seriously on the last QT compared to one a couple of years back. She has a rock solid London Labour seat and is very happy without the burden of Gov't I think - she's given up !
She looks a lot healthier nowadays.
She was pointing out that May wasn't elected democratically.
This has been a good PMQs from both leaders I think. Quite funny
Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...
No, but the ship was still sailing under his orders i.e. too fast in an area known to contain icebergs.
I wonder if May's premiership will signal the end of the Age of Austerity? It looks like May is more statist than Cameron/Osborne, hence perhaps less inclined to reduce the size of the state via cuts. Can't see why she would want to shackle herself as an incoming PM to the programme of the last government. Given the troubles she will face already with Brexit, she won't want to be seen as more divisive/thatcherlike over cuts, especially given the obvious unifier message she is projecting. Something has to give, and that something will be the idea of reducing the deficit (she already ruled out the budget surplus ambition didn't she?).
God knows what she will do, but the idea that we can continue to run a structural deficit of £70bn a year indefinitely is daft.
Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...
No, but the ship was still sailing under his orders i.e. too fast in an area known to contain icebergs.
The Titanic 'disaster' no one remembers is the botched evacuation - managed properly Smith could have nearly doubled the number of survivors.....
Green candidate Jill Stein's response to Bernie Sanders's endorsement of Hillary Clinton was "HillNo", "JillYes".
If Stein can win enough votes from some of Bernie Sanders's supporters, or enough support to get into the TV debates, it could be curtains for Clinton. Donald Trump's endorser Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox News could help. Maybe Trump and Stein will fight over climate change.
Mid price at Betfair for Trump has risen to 4.2.
The Green Party's convention comes after the Dem and Rep conventions.
Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...
No, but the ship was still sailing under his orders i.e. too fast in an area known to contain icebergs.
Standard procedure for the time. And he had altered course. Just not enough. The bergs were unusually far south that year.
G - Corbyn says he has asked Cameron 179 questions. He says he wants to wish Cameron well, and wish his family well too. It is our loved ones who make all the difference. And he wishes to pass on to Cameron’s mum his thanks for her advice about ties and songs.
Blimey, if they start singing to each other, I'm off...
Over half say Theresa May has what it takes to be a good PM
Corbyn and Cameron’s satisfaction ratings fall to their lowest ever
Ipsos MORI’s July Political Monitor reveals that over half (55%) believe that Theresa May has what it takes to be a good Prime Minister, up from 28% in July 2015. Her ratings are particularly high among Conservative voters, among whom 81% think she has what it takes.
Green candidate Jill Stein's response to Bernie Sanders's endorsement of Hillary Clinton was "HillNo", "JillYes".
If Stein can win enough votes from some of Bernie Sanders's supporters, or enough support to get into the TV debates, it could be curtains for Clinton. Donald Trump's endorser Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox News could help. Maybe Trump and Stein will fight over climate change.
Mid price at Betfair for Trump has risen to 4.2.
The Green Party's convention comes after the Dem and Rep conventions.
You know the secret of great comedy, don't you. Same here on PB.
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Or come up with an alternative to challenge democratically.
Or piss off...
Coups are not in the rule-book, because they're not and never have been the Labour way. Tough.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/753179670263242752
I think much of her allure can be maintained with a "Denis Thatcher" policy although she will of course have to speak much more than she has done hitherto.
If I were her I would promote to her intimate circle, if she has not already done so, all those involved in research, writing, formulation of her speech recently. I thought it was excellent, and way above her natural ability.
The Japanese Emperor is planning to abdicate:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36784045
I detest AWS - and genuinely don't understand why Labour should be biased against female candidates. Ma Beckett, Barbara Castle, Hattie blazed a trail decades ago.
Hattie was my MP when I was a student in the 80s!
http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/9d3aa2fb-c07c-467c-9112-d05b68d3d233
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-leadership-contest-vote-jeremy-corbyn-new-members-momentum-vote-avoid-paying-25-fee-a7133851.html
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/31/mind-the-gap/ - as a starting point?
JackW - Reigning TOTY
Extraordinarily courteous of the Labour Party to lay on so much extra material for the Prime Minister at his final PMQs.
Massive cheers from Tory benches as Theresa May comes in to sit next to Cameron ahead of his final PMQs.
Totally agree on police not investigating non crimes. If they are there to enforce good behaviour, not just prevent or catch criminal behaviour, they are moral police not just police.
I always wondered who that was.
Mind you, if I remember correctly the Crown Prince has daughters and no son and Shinto does not recognise the existence of goddesses. So a system/religion that has lasted a thousand years or more is going to hit the buffers this century whatever happens.
The political crisis is all on the left, with a total absence of opposition. So outrageously inept is Jeremy Corbyn’s regime that Labour failed to mount a fight last week against the £1,200 charge for employment tribunals, which has seen a 70% fall in claims. Richard Burgon, the new shadow lord chancellor, simply missed its huge significance, and with no whip the government won by an astounding 135. Forget forensic challenges to bad policy or defending austerity’s victims.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/tories-labour-angela-eagle-labour-corbyn-party-membership
Normally he says at this point he has other meetings later today. But today he says that, other than one meeting with the Queen, his diary for the rest of the day is “remarkably light”.
That only applies if the attention was from a man rather than woman presumably, but I can't understand why the distinction is necessary. Why would unwanted attention from a man be a hate crime, but unwanted attention from another woman not be?
Also, if a man gets unwanted attention from a woman is that a hate crime? (It does happen, though the last time it happened to me, I was much younger and the woman was very drunk - think she was part of a hen party. Not that that should count as an excuse - drunken men on a stag do shouldn't get away with misbehaviour either!) And what if a man gets unwanted attention from another man?
Does all seem a bit "through the rabbit hole" to me.
He says it is right to thank Cameron for his service. He has often disagreed with him. But he pays tribute to him for securing the release of Shaker Aamer and for his gay marriage legislation, which was passed with Labour votes.
And he asks about homelessness.
Cameron says it is 10% below the peak it was under Labour.
#PleaseDontGoDave
a) enjoying it
b) making decent jokes
c) looking smart
d) making as many points as he is able to given the circumstances.
GO JEZZA
Cameron says he wants to congratulate May on becoming prime minister. When it comes to women prime ministers, soon it will be two nil. And not a pink bus in sight, he says.
On housing, he says the issue of affordability is key. Help to Buy and shared ownership mean some people can buy a home with a deposit of just £2,000.
The Home Secretary - Exploitative bosses cant think who she is referring to.
May comes across as a Deputy Registrar of Births, Marriages and Deaths in comparison...
Corbyn might do well against her. Just a thought!
And a good joke from Corbyn re Cameron's mum on dress sense!
She was pointing out that May wasn't elected democratically.
This has been a good PMQs from both leaders I think. Quite funny
Thought both Corbyn & Cameron did well.......
Appointed in 2019.
What a wet dishcloth.
Any clapping ?
If Stein can win enough votes from some of Bernie Sanders's supporters, or enough support to get into the TV debates, it could be curtains for Clinton. Donald Trump's endorser Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox News could help. Maybe Trump and Stein will fight over climate change.
Mid price at Betfair for Trump has risen to 4.2.
The Green Party's convention comes after the Dem and Rep conventions.
At last, Corbyn gets the tone right.
Classless SNP.
Blimey, if they start singing to each other, I'm off...
Corbyn and Cameron’s satisfaction ratings fall to their lowest ever
Ipsos MORI’s July Political Monitor reveals that over half (55%) believe that Theresa May has what it takes to be a good Prime Minister, up from 28% in July 2015. Her ratings are particularly high among Conservative voters, among whom 81% think she has what it takes.
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3761/Over-half-say-Theresa-May-has-what-it-takes-to-be-a-good-PM.aspx
Not sure that was quite what he meant.