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I did quite a bit of trading this morning, very happy with my position now.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Owen Smith is trading evens => laying him would give you pretty much the same result. It would cover you against an Eagle victory but expose you to a Smith victory in a year's time or thereafterPulpstar said:Blimey, someone has managed to back Jezza at 11-10 for the contest !
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That article very much reflects my own feelings about Osborne. A nasty, scheming man whose ambitions have been thwarted, for now, but who will not probably cannot stop scheming. TM needs to sack him for the good of the Country let alone her own peace of mind and the collegiality of her government.anotherDave said:
Isabel Oakeshott has written a fair and balanced piece on Mr Osborne for the Mail.TheScreamingEagles said:I changed my picture as I'm in mourning.
I'm hopeful at least one ex Bullingdon boy will be occupying a great office of state.
George for Foreign Secretary.
"The discredited Chancellor, who masterminded the catastrophic and shameful Project Fear campaign"
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3687313/So-Theresa-really-rival-Osborne-plum-job-campaign-bully-frighten-nation-Project-Fear.html0 -
Hence the nickname “Oik”.JenS said:Osborne was a day-boy at a London school, housed in a hideous concrete pre-fab built on the site of a filled-in reservoir by Hammersmith Bridge. It's odd he was in the Bullingdon. But those clubs do sometimes let in clever boys for entertainment.
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The MPs are supposed to knuckle-down under the leader, obviously.Pulpstar said:
Motions of confidence are binding in the case of both the Lib Dems and Conservatives, quite amazing Labour didn't have this in their rules.david_herdson said:
A structure is only as effective as the people filling it. Labour's problem isn't the structure as such but that the leader isn't prepared to accept the culture around which it's designed. The Conservatives had a parallel problem from 1989-2003 when no leader was secure for more than a few months. Both systems require self-restraint among leaders and among the led and break down if either side becomes too forceful or too stubborn.Pulpstar said:The Conservative leadership structure is much cleaner (And better) than the Labour one.
Or come up with an alternative to challenge democratically.
Or piss off...
Coups are not in the rule-book, because they're not and never have been the Labour way. Tough.0 -
Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.0
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He has done quite a good job at Justice so far though. Worth keeping there on that basis alone.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
His Ministerial post or the lack of one will confirm if those consequences are unintended or notOldKingCole said:
Law of Unintended Consequences!TGOHF said:
In the bigger picture , did any minister do more to ensure TM won the leadership election than Gove ?OldKingCole said:
Gove has demonstrated that not only is he untrustworthy, buut that he confides in his wife, who is also untrustworthy. Or can be used to drop hints that Gove hoimself can’t.TGOHF said:Gove making a big pitch to stay at Justice - see @DannyShawBBC's feed.
I suspect that if he finds himself looking aftrer paperclips and odd socks he should count himself fortunate.0 -
I've always said you can tell a lot about a man by the choice of his footwear, just look at Jez's tatty, scruffy shoes
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Yes I think that is right.jonny83 said:I wouldn't say I am overly optimistic about May but she was clearly the best candidate available and the most experienced.
I don't think she will differ massively from Cameron policy wise though a clear pitch so far from her is that the government has to do more to make people from all across the country to feel financially better off. I think all governments would like to try and do that but it is easier said than done.
She must be heading into one of the most difficult periods a PM will have ever faced, it could easily destroy her but if she can find a way through it and the UK prospers her standing will skyrocket and soar.
I think much of her allure can be maintained with a "Denis Thatcher" policy although she will of course have to speak much more than she has done hitherto.
If I were her I would promote to her intimate circle, if she has not already done so, all those involved in research, writing, formulation of her speech recently. I thought it was excellent, and way above her natural ability.0 -
Frankly my position has deteriorated considerably. Just trying to hold my nerve.Pulpstar said:
I did quite a bit of trading this morning, very happy with my position now.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Owen Smith is trading evens => laying him would give you pretty much the same result. It would cover you against an Eagle victory but expose you to a Smith victory in a year's time or thereafterPulpstar said:Blimey, someone has managed to back Jezza at 11-10 for the contest !
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Everyone's leaving office, it seems.
The Japanese Emperor is planning to abdicate:
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Brown in Town? - good God, the man is a philistine...TheScreamingEagles said:I've always said you can tell a lot about a man by the choice of his footwear, just look at Jez's tatty, scruffy shoes
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Had forgotten that Cameron's 'Calm down dear' was aimed at Angela Eagle0
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Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?jonny83 said:Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
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Well after his disastrous contribution to the Leave campaign it's only rig-. Oh.Morris_Dancer said:Everyone's leaving office, it seems.
The Japanese Emperor is planning to abdicate:
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She cried sexist at that - and is now presenting herself against a cliched pink banner at every opportunity.MontyHall said:Had forgotten that Cameron's 'Calm down dear' was aimed at Angela Eagle
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How many of the hideously named Blair's Babes are left today?volcanopete said:Anyone thinking of backing Angela Eagle in the Labour leadership election needs to remember the longest trend ever in political betting-UK Labour has never elected a woman leader.Add her past voting record and the key vote to support the Iraq war,she really is weighed down.I expect her to stand down for a straight Smith v Corbyn contest.
BTW AWS is the only way Labour will ever elect a woman leader.Labour has a number of "systemics",one of which is bias against women.
I detest AWS - and genuinely don't understand why Labour should be biased against female candidates. Ma Beckett, Barbara Castle, Hattie blazed a trail decades ago.
Hattie was my MP when I was a student in the 80s!0 -
This is the man who won't even engage in small talk with Cameron as they walk together into House of Lords for Q's speech. He has no basic manners. Not fit to be an MP never mind PM.jonny83 said:Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
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Pb comrades.Gird your loins and join Unite.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-leadership-contest-vote-jeremy-corbyn-new-members-momentum-vote-avoid-paying-25-fee-a7133851.html0 -
May sitting next to Ozzie on the front bench.0
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It's a bit like what waiting for the kick off of the FA Cup used to be like.CarlottaVance said:Cameron's final PMQs:
http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/9d3aa2fb-c07c-467c-9112-d05b68d3d2330 -
What are the odds Corbo will use that one in a hustings?!oxfordsimon said:
She cried sexist at that - and is now presenting herself against a cliched pink banner at every opportunity.MontyHall said:Had forgotten that Cameron's 'Calm down dear' was aimed at Angela Eagle
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Can I - ahem - modestly suggest that they take this -John_M said:
Good morning all.TheKrakenAwakes said:Been listening to much talk this morning about May's options for Brexit and suggestions that any deal must include reduced immigration. Surely before doing anything she should set up some sort of inquiry to establish whether immigration is actually too high, is actually keeping wages down, if public services are under pressure from immigration.
Otherwise we face forcing a government to set policy for the future of the UK, based not on known facts, but on the PERCEPTION of a proportion of the electorate.
Yes, agree with this. Is it the absolute number, the skills mix, the geographic concentration?
We've had an almost unquestioning attitude that immigration is a net good, is necessary and (due to global trends) unavoidable. That high level macro-economic view hasn't served us all very well in practice.
We need to take the emotion out of the topic and look at it forensically.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/31/mind-the-gap/ - as a starting point?
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Some of us other oldies are made of sterner stuff ..Morris_Dancer said:Everyone's leaving office, it seems.
The Japanese Emperor is planning to abdicate:
JackW - Reigning TOTY
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@Jesse_Norman
Extraordinarily courteous of the Labour Party to lay on so much extra material for the Prime Minister at his final PMQs.0 -
You're overlooking the time when Tony Blair sacked her by accident after forgetting about her during a reshuffle. Doesn't say much for either of them!Danny565 said:
It says it all that that is probably the most notable incident that Angela has been involved in after 25 years in Parliament.MontyHall said:Had forgotten that Cameron's 'Calm down dear' was aimed at Angela Eagle
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Think Ozzie trying to sit next to May rather than the other way roundJackW said:May sitting next to Ozzie on the front bench.
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I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).Danny565 said:
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?jonny83 said:Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
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HT Sparrow - Jim Waterson✔@jimwaterson
Massive cheers from Tory benches as Theresa May comes in to sit next to Cameron ahead of his final PMQs.0 -
What will be interesting is the first time a woman gets charged for a mysogynist offence!Morris_Dancer said:Misogyny now a hate crime:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-36775398
"Incidents against women that are motivated by an attitude of a man towards a woman and includes behaviour targeted towards a woman by men simply because they are a woman."
I wonder if the reverse (misandry) is covered too, but shan't be holding my breath. Intriguing we now have a crime only one gender can commit
Still not pleased about this aspect, though:
"It means abuse or harassment which might not be a crime can be reported to and investigated by the police, and support for the victim put in place."
Things that aren't crimes shouldn't be investigated by the police. Someone being a tosser is unpleasant, but the police are there to enforce the law, not to try and make the world lovely.
If someone calls me a silly bitch in a Nottingham street, the police [according to this] would not do anything. If I were a woman, they would. That's just daft.
Totally agree on police not investigating non crimes. If they are there to enforce good behaviour, not just prevent or catch criminal behaviour, they are moral police not just police.0 -
You have little to be modest about. That was another quality article. Let's hope some of the movers and shakers that read this site take note.Cyclefree said:
Can I - ahem - modestly suggest that they take this -John_M said:
Good morning all.TheKrakenAwakes said:Been listening to much talk this morning about May's options for Brexit and suggestions that any deal must include reduced immigration. Surely before doing anything she should set up some sort of inquiry to establish whether immigration is actually too high, is actually keeping wages down, if public services are under pressure from immigration.
Otherwise we face forcing a government to set policy for the future of the UK, based not on known facts, but on the PERCEPTION of a proportion of the electorate.
Yes, agree with this. Is it the absolute number, the skills mix, the geographic concentration?
We've had an almost unquestioning attitude that immigration is a net good, is necessary and (due to global trends) unavoidable. That high level macro-economic view hasn't served us all very well in practice.
We need to take the emotion out of the topic and look at it forensically.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/31/mind-the-gap/ - as a starting point?0 -
Cute opening answer from Cameron.0
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Why did no one warn me that Burgon was on the box - missed him. Damn...0
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Oh! That was her?Tissue_Price said:
You're overlooking the time when Tony Blair sacked her by accident after forgetting about her during a reshuffle. Doesn't say much for either of them!Danny565 said:
It says it all that that is probably the most notable incident that Angela has been involved in after 25 years in Parliament.MontyHall said:Had forgotten that Cameron's 'Calm down dear' was aimed at Angela Eagle
I always wondered who that was.0 -
Isn't the Emperor a god? How does a god step down?Morris_Dancer said:Everyone's leaving office, it seems.
The Japanese Emperor is planning to abdicate:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36784045
Mind you, if I remember correctly the Crown Prince has daughters and no son and Shinto does not recognise the existence of goddesses. So a system/religion that has lasted a thousand years or more is going to hit the buffers this century whatever happens.0 -
Did you miss the farting commie's great feck up? Polly wasn't impressedScrapheap_as_was said:Why did no one warn me that Burgon was on the box - missed him. Damn...
The political crisis is all on the left, with a total absence of opposition. So outrageously inept is Jeremy Corbyn’s regime that Labour failed to mount a fight last week against the £1,200 charge for employment tribunals, which has seen a 70% fall in claims. Richard Burgon, the new shadow lord chancellor, simply missed its huge significance, and with no whip the government won by an astounding 135. Forget forensic challenges to bad policy or defending austerity’s victims.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/tories-labour-angela-eagle-labour-corbyn-party-membership0 -
David Cameron starts by congratulating Andy Murray & the other British Wimbledon winners.
Normally he says at this point he has other meetings later today. But today he says that, other than one meeting with the Queen, his diary for the rest of the day is “remarkably light”.
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Cameron pledging to "look carefully" at an MP's suggestion..... look carefully in the last 2 hours of his premiership?0
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Why "farting"?!?!TheScreamingEagles said:
Did you miss the farting commie's great feck up? Polly wasn't impressedScrapheap_as_was said:Why did no one warn me that Burgon was on the box - missed him. Damn...
The political crisis is all on the left, with a total absence of opposition. So outrageously inept is Jeremy Corbyn’s regime that Labour failed to mount a fight last week against the £1,200 charge for employment tribunals, which has seen a 70% fall in claims. Richard Burgon, the new shadow lord chancellor, simply missed its huge significance, and with no whip the government won by an astounding 135. Forget forensic challenges to bad policy or defending austerity’s victims.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/tories-labour-angela-eagle-labour-corbyn-party-membership0 -
The Tenno hasn't been a god since World War 2. At least not officially.HurstLlama said:
Isn't the Emperor a god? How does a god step down?Morris_Dancer said:Everyone's leaving office, it seems.
The Japanese Emperor is planning to abdicate:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36784045
Mind you, if I remember correctly the Crown Prince has daughters and no son and Shinto does not recognise the existence of goddesses. So a system/religion that has lasted a thousand years or more is going to hit the buffers this century whatever happens.
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http://order-order.com/2015/05/27/big-feartie-which-snp-mp-gassed-the-chamber/Danny565 said:
Why "farting"?!?!TheScreamingEagles said:
Did you miss the farting commie's great feck up? Polly wasn't impressedScrapheap_as_was said:Why did no one warn me that Burgon was on the box - missed him. Damn...
The political crisis is all on the left, with a total absence of opposition. So outrageously inept is Jeremy Corbyn’s regime that Labour failed to mount a fight last week against the £1,200 charge for employment tribunals, which has seen a 70% fall in claims. Richard Burgon, the new shadow lord chancellor, simply missed its huge significance, and with no whip the government won by an astounding 135. Forget forensic challenges to bad policy or defending austerity’s victims.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/tories-labour-angela-eagle-labour-corbyn-party-membership0 -
The post-war settlement forced Hirohito to renounced divine status. In practice the Japanese pretty much ignored it.HurstLlama said:
Isn't the Emperor a god? How does a god step down?Morris_Dancer said:Everyone's leaving office, it seems.
The Japanese Emperor is planning to abdicate:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36784045
Mind you, if I remember correctly the Crown Prince has daughters and no son and Shinto does not recognise the existence of goddesses. So a system/religion that has lasted a thousand years or more is going to hit the buffers this century whatever happens.0 -
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...Ishmael_X said:
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).Danny565 said:
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?jonny83 said:Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
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Has Jeremy clapped yet
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LOL - is Hattie in the house?0
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Corbyn as graceless and useless as ever0
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If you were going to cast someone as PM in a film, it would be Cam. He does suit the role perfectly0
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Corbyn attacking May before she is even in post. What an arse.0
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One thing that struck me was the picture caption: "If a woman receives unwanted attention on the street, it can now be reported to Nottinghamshire Police as a hate crime"kle4 said:
What will be interesting is the first time a woman gets charged for a mysogynist offence!Morris_Dancer said:Misogyny now a hate crime:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-36775398
"Incidents against women that are motivated by an attitude of a man towards a woman and includes behaviour targeted towards a woman by men simply because they are a woman."
I wonder if the reverse (misandry) is covered too, but shan't be holding my breath. Intriguing we now have a crime only one gender can commit
Still not pleased about this aspect, though:
"It means abuse or harassment which might not be a crime can be reported to and investigated by the police, and support for the victim put in place."
Things that aren't crimes shouldn't be investigated by the police. Someone being a tosser is unpleasant, but the police are there to enforce the law, not to try and make the world lovely.
If someone calls me a silly bitch in a Nottingham street, the police [according to this] would not do anything. If I were a woman, they would. That's just daft.
Totally agree on police not investigating non crimes. If they are there to enforce good behaviour, not just prevent or catch criminal behaviour, they are moral police not just police.
That only applies if the attention was from a man rather than woman presumably, but I can't understand why the distinction is necessary. Why would unwanted attention from a man be a hate crime, but unwanted attention from another woman not be?
Also, if a man gets unwanted attention from a woman is that a hate crime? (It does happen, though the last time it happened to me, I was much younger and the woman was very drunk - think she was part of a hen party. Not that that should count as an excuse - drunken men on a stag do shouldn't get away with misbehaviour either!) And what if a man gets unwanted attention from another man?
Does all seem a bit "through the rabbit hole" to me.0 -
Who's Thornberry smiling and winking at? May?0
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Dave's enjoying this.0
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Jeremy Corbyn starts by paying tribute to the British Wimbledon winners.
He says it is right to thank Cameron for his service. He has often disagreed with him. But he pays tribute to him for securing the release of Shaker Aamer and for his gay marriage legislation, which was passed with Labour votes.
And he asks about homelessness.
Cameron says it is 10% below the peak it was under Labour.0 -
Cameron is so sharp at PMQ's, I think we will miss it.0
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These questions about the home secretary are ill judged.0
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I wonder if May's premiership will signal the end of the Age of Austerity? It looks like May is more statist than Cameron/Osborne, hence perhaps less inclined to reduce the size of the state via cuts. Can't see why she would want to shackle herself as an incoming PM to the programme of the last government. Given the troubles she will face already with Brexit, she won't want to be seen as more divisive/thatcherlike over cuts, especially given the obvious unifier message she is projecting. Something has to give, and that something will be the idea of reducing the deficit (she already ruled out the budget surplus ambition didn't she?).0
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I suspect by the end of PMQs I'm going to be crying like a disgraced televangelist.
#PleaseDontGoDave0 -
Jezza having a good PMQs.
a) enjoying it
b) making decent jokes
c) looking smart
d) making as many points as he is able to given the circumstances.
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Corbyn says he has been listening to what Theresa May has been saying. She says it is harder than ever for young people to buy their first home. Why is that?
Cameron says he wants to congratulate May on becoming prime minister. When it comes to women prime ministers, soon it will be two nil. And not a pink bus in sight, he says.
On housing, he says the issue of affordability is key. Help to Buy and shared ownership mean some people can buy a home with a deposit of just £2,000.0 -
The black knight!0
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Best joke ever at PMQs by Corbyn.
The Home Secretary - Exploitative bosses cant think who she is referring to.0 -
Corbyn is "enjoying every moment". From the look on Watson's face, so is he.0
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RodCrosby said:
Yep, he's a bit of a swashbuckler.jonny83 said:Cameron is so sharp at PMQ's, I think we will miss it.
May comes across as a Deputy Registrar of Births, Marriages and Deaths in comparison...
Corbyn might do well against her. Just a thought!
And a good joke from Corbyn re Cameron's mum on dress sense!0 -
Find Judith0
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LOL at that email from Judith!0
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She looks a lot healthier nowadays.Pulpstar said:
Lady Nugee took herself alot less seriously on the last QT compared to one a couple of years back. She has a rock solid London Labour seat and is very happy without the burden of Gov't I think - she's given up !PlatoSaid said:Who's Thornberry smiling and winking at? May?
She was pointing out that May wasn't elected democratically.
This has been a good PMQs from both leaders I think. Quite funny0 -
David Cameron is just so fantastic in this theatre - he will be missed0
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Corbyn having his best PMQs of all time0
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No, but the ship was still sailing under his orders i.e. too fast in an area known to contain icebergs.RodCrosby said:
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...Ishmael_X said:
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).Danny565 said:
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?jonny83 said:Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
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Wait, what Len Goodman is leaving Strictly0
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It's panto PMQs. Rather good fun.0
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Next England manager?TheScreamingEagles said:Wait, what Len Goodman is leaving Strictly
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Down hill from here then?bigjohnowls said:Corbyn having his best PMQs of all time
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God knows what she will do, but the idea that we can continue to run a structural deficit of £70bn a year indefinitely is daft.Paristonda said:I wonder if May's premiership will signal the end of the Age of Austerity? It looks like May is more statist than Cameron/Osborne, hence perhaps less inclined to reduce the size of the state via cuts. Can't see why she would want to shackle herself as an incoming PM to the programme of the last government. Given the troubles she will face already with Brexit, she won't want to be seen as more divisive/thatcherlike over cuts, especially given the obvious unifier message she is projecting. Something has to give, and that something will be the idea of reducing the deficit (she already ruled out the budget surplus ambition didn't she?).
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Wonder if May offered him a job.Big_G_NorthWales said:David Cameron is just so fantastic in this theatre - he will be missed
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Peter Lilley going over the top......
Thought both Corbyn & Cameron did well.......0 -
Corbyn is in a good mood. This is unexpected.0
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I had a thought this morning, David Cameron Tory Party Chairman for the 2020 GE?Gravitation said:
Wonder if May offered him a job.Big_G_NorthWales said:David Cameron is just so fantastic in this theatre - he will be missed
Appointed in 2019.0 -
Sour old git Robertson. Scotland is in the UK. Get over it.0
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Angus Robertson - booooo.
What a wet dishcloth.0 -
Has Corbyn finished ?
Any clapping ?0 -
The Titanic 'disaster' no one remembers is the botched evacuation - managed properly Smith could have nearly doubled the number of survivors.....david_herdson said:
No, but the ship was still sailing under his orders i.e. too fast in an area known to contain icebergs.RodCrosby said:
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...Ishmael_X said:
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).Danny565 said:
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?jonny83 said:Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
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Green candidate Jill Stein's response to Bernie Sanders's endorsement of Hillary Clinton was "HillNo", "JillYes".
If Stein can win enough votes from some of Bernie Sanders's supporters, or enough support to get into the TV debates, it could be curtains for Clinton. Donald Trump's endorser Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox News could help. Maybe Trump and Stein will fight over climate change.
Mid price at Betfair for Trump has risen to 4.2.
The Green Party's convention comes after the Dem and Rep conventions.0 -
Philip Collins @PCollinsTimes 5m5 minutes ago
At last, Corbyn gets the tone right.0 -
Standard procedure for the time. And he had altered course. Just not enough. The bergs were unusually far south that year.david_herdson said:
No, but the ship was still sailing under his orders i.e. too fast in an area known to contain icebergs.RodCrosby said:
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...Ishmael_X said:
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).Danny565 said:
Whether people liked or disliked Blair, does anyone really deny that he was a much more "impactful" PM than Cameron has been?jonny83 said:Cameron led by example and got his party to partake in a standing ovation for Blair, will Corbyn do that? If Corbyn and his closest comrades sit down and the Lab backbenchers stand up it would look very bad, though I doubt Corbyn cares.
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Can't see it. But Cameron wants to stay as an MP, maybe he could take a front bench role again one day years down the line.Gravitation said:
Wonder if May offered him a job.Big_G_NorthWales said:David Cameron is just so fantastic in this theatre - he will be missed
Classless SNP.0 -
Why not? Chamberlain served under Churchill. What job would best suit him?Gravitation said:
Wonder if May offered him a job.Big_G_NorthWales said:David Cameron is just so fantastic in this theatre - he will be missed
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G - Corbyn says he has asked Cameron 179 questions. He says he wants to wish Cameron well, and wish his family well too. It is our loved ones who make all the difference. And he wishes to pass on to Cameron’s mum his thanks for her advice about ties and songs.
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Over half say Theresa May has what it takes to be a good PM
Corbyn and Cameron’s satisfaction ratings fall to their lowest ever
Ipsos MORI’s July Political Monitor reveals that over half (55%) believe that Theresa May has what it takes to be a good Prime Minister, up from 28% in July 2015. Her ratings are particularly high among Conservative voters, among whom 81% think she has what it takes.
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3761/Over-half-say-Theresa-May-has-what-it-takes-to-be-a-good-PM.aspx0 -
Angus Robertson just made it sound as though he supports genocide ...
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You know the secret of great comedy, don't you. Same here on PB.Dromedary said:Green candidate Jill Stein's response to Bernie Sanders's endorsement of Hillary Clinton was "HillNo", "JillYes".
If Stein can win enough votes from some of Bernie Sanders's supporters, or enough support to get into the TV debates, it could be curtains for Clinton. Donald Trump's endorser Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox News could help. Maybe Trump and Stein will fight over climate change.
Mid price at Betfair for Trump has risen to 4.2.
The Green Party's convention comes after the Dem and Rep conventions.0 -
Why wouldn't he be, he's on the ballot and Uncle Len with all those lovely union votes is onside !grabcocque said:Corbyn is in a good mood. This is unexpected.
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Bugger.. missed it, thank god iPlayer has a rewind function 0
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Angus Robertson starts light, with the anniversary of Balkan genocide and being a miseryguts.0
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What is it with the Scots Nats today - they just have no class0
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Oy, Robertson just needs to shut up. Just sounding bitter.0
